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Re: using facebook

Pauline Smith
 

Good Evening,

What is UseNet?  I hope I typed that right.  What kinds of stuff is found on this site?

Pauline

On 9/23/2017 4:03 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think any social media platform for us has issues as we are coming in late and do not know how to restrict the crud and all the clever stuff so we only see what we want to see and also of course only allow others to see what we want them to see as well. So many blind friends have had their fingers burned on these sites by bullying or indeed by off the cuff comments that have been seen by important folk like employers or family and friends.
There are dangers out there.
I was never brought up with this concept, but a lot of the younger nvda users here have always known this stuff. I use Usenet, and always have done. We all know that is open and public but when it comes to Facebook, and to a lesser extent, Twitter, its unfortunately alot easier for folk to find you.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] using facebook


Well I made a decision that I wouldn't tweat much, I mean my life revovles around a pc but still I refuse to spend it reading tweats even though I do read a few.




On 23/09/2017 7:37 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think social media is a time management issue. I find better things to do with my time than to wrestle with facebook. That is all. I'm not going to say I'll never use it, but for what use I could make of it a huge learning curve appears to be needed by any user without sight.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@softcon.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] using facebook


It's extremely easy to navigate, but the facebook mobile page doesn't have everything the main facebook page has, or sometimes it does, but it's burried somewhere, and good luck finding it. It's nearly impossible to do everything I want to do when using the mobile version of the page, so I gave it up for useless years ago. Admittedly, the regular page is a hassle, and sometimes it's slow as all get out, but it works, and in the long run that's all that matters.

Of course, I use face book as little as possible, so your mileage may vary.


On 9/22/2017 3:47 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
Brian their is nothing wrong with teh Facebook Mobile site. It has HTML headings etc. Its easy to navigate.


On 9/19/2017 7:26 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I gave up even trying to understand it, Even on the mobile site.
Is there a blind friendly client for any of the so called social media sites that are easy to use?
I don't want them to rule my life, but of late so much information I'm expected to know about is on Twitter or Facebook its beginning to look like I'll have to bite the bullet again. Maybe I can employ a young person to do it for me!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 11:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] using facebook


hi,

How do you guys use facebook with nvda? In particular, searching group posts and viewing the results, but most actions seem laggy. Also, nvda randomly jumps around on the page.

















Re: usenet?

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Usenet was one of the primary ways that people use to share underground content such as mp3 music, movies, and audiobooks. That is what I used it for anyway. Nowadays, it's cheaper and easier to buy what you want, and the quality and selection are better.

On September 23, 2017 5:19:03 PM "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:

What does buying things have to do with usenet?

Antony

On Saturday 23 September 2017 at 23:14:02, erik burggraaf wrote:

I used easynews myself when I cared about such things. Nowadays I just buy
what I want. Even though I don't have a lot of money, it's easier, and the
quality is better.
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Re: usenet?

Antony Stone
 

So where does "the quality is better" come into it?

Antony.

On Saturday 23 September 2017 at 23:25:05, Louis Maher wrote:

Hi Antony,

My internet provider AT&T used to provide the Usenet service for free.
They discontinued this many years ago. When AT&T stopped carrying the
usenet service, I found that I had to find a service for easy access to
sci.space.news and sci.space.science. Also reading usenet on the iPhone is
far mor easier than reading usenet articles on the PC.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony
Stone
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] usenet?

What does buying things have to do with usenet?

Antony

On Saturday 23 September 2017 at 23:14:02, erik burggraaf wrote:
I used easynews myself when I cared about such things. Nowadays I just
buy what I want. Even though I don't have a lot of money, it's easier,
and the quality is better.
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Re: usenet?

Louis Maher <ljmaher@...>
 

Hi Antony,

My internet provider AT&T used to provide the Usenet service for free. They
discontinued this many years ago. When AT&T stopped carrying the usenet
service, I found that I had to find a service for easy access to
sci.space.news and sci.space.science. Also reading usenet on the iPhone is
far mor easier than reading usenet articles on the PC.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony
Stone
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] usenet?

What does buying things have to do with usenet?

Antony

On Saturday 23 September 2017 at 23:14:02, erik burggraaf wrote:

I used easynews myself when I cared about such things. Nowadays I just
buy what I want. Even though I don't have a lot of money, it's easier,
and the quality is better.
--
"640 kilobytes (of RAM) should be enough for anybody."

- Bill Gates

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me.


Re: usenet?

Antony Stone
 

What does buying things have to do with usenet?

Antony

On Saturday 23 September 2017 at 23:14:02, erik burggraaf wrote:

I used easynews myself when I cared about such things. Nowadays I just buy
what I want. Even though I don't have a lot of money, it's easier, and the
quality is better.
--
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- Bill Gates

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Re: usenet?

Louis Maher <ljmaher@...>
 

Folks,

Usenet can be still useful. I subscribe to sci.space.science and
sci.space.news.

I subscribe to this service
http://www.forteinc.com/apn/index.php
for $2.95 a month.

I read the articles on my iPhone using the newstap application. I don't
download any Forte software. I found the Forte PC offerings inaccessible.
I have not looked at the PC softwre in many years.

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Brannan
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 4:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] usenet?

Usenet? Usenet is pretty much just a cesspool now. A shame, because it was
pretty awesome back in the day.

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On Sep 23, 2017, at 11:54 AM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello any one here still use usenet? if so what clients are you using?
Hank




Re: usenet?

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

I used easynews myself when I cared about such things. Nowadays I just buy what I want. Even though I don't have a lot of money, it's easier, and the quality is better.

On September 23, 2017 5:10:34 PM "Howard Traxler" <howard@traxlerenterprises.com> wrote:

Don't know that this thread is appropriate for this list, but: I also
wonder what client, and what server still has usenet lists?
Thanks.
Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 10:54 AM
Subject: [nvda] usenet?


Hello any one here still use usenet? if so what clients are you using?
Hank




Re: Some accessible free radio streamer

Gene
 

I downloaded the newest version from the web site.  I downloaded the version for 32 and 64bit machines, though that shouldn't matter.  I installed it as a portable program.  It isn't clear to me what is and is not free.  I got no message about a trial period, and the station list is there.  But I see nothing for looking for a new station list.  I didn't install the version because I already have an earlier installed version.  If that would have made a difference, I don't know.  I'ts beginning to look as though the software works even though the message during installation says it is no longer free.  It may be that getting updated station lists is what you are paying for. 
 
But my point is that those who want to use the program for free may still be able to do so if they are willing to do without updated station lists.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some accessible free radio streamer

That's as good evidence as you can get.  It's really unfortunate.  I guess at least you have to give the developer credit.  He isn't making the program free by foisting all sorts of malware on users in sneaky ways.  I'm curious if other list members know of other good free aggregator programs. 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----
From: brian
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some accessible free radio streamer

    When you install the latest version of tapin radio it does say this softwhear is no longer free do you want to continu? If you do chose to continu you will get a 14 day trial so you can see what stations work and what stations won't. 

Brian Sackrider


On 9/21/2017 3:34 PM, Chris wrote:

Just checked the raimersoft site and in the change log since v2.0.6 it says no longer free

 

 

http://www.raimersoft.co/TapinRadio_whatsnew.aspx

 

 

as far as I can see the pro version still works ok, although no updates in a while

 



Re: usenet?

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

Don't know that this thread is appropriate for this list, but: I also wonder what client, and what server still has usenet lists?
Thanks.
Howard

----- Original Message -----
From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 10:54 AM
Subject: [nvda] usenet?


Hello any one here still use usenet? if so what clients are you using?
Hank



Re: usenet?

Buddy Brannan
 

Usenet? Usenet is pretty much just a cesspool now. A shame, because it was pretty awesome back in the day.

--
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Phone: (814) 860-3194
Email: buddy@brannan.name
"We are all just walking each other home."

On Sep 23, 2017, at 11:54 AM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello any one here still use usenet? if so what clients are you using?
Hank




Re: Microsoft Speech Platform

mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
 

Microsoft.com voices ooh! there o k
for now

On 9/23/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:
Hi


yes they will they used to be used on a windows 7 machine only the english
ones.


I guess it will depend which language you speak and what you install as your
tts voices.


Gene n


On 9/24/2017 1:34 AM, Casey wrote:
Hi will these work with windows seven and if so what voices will you get?
If you use it under windows seven?




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 3:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Speech Platform


Hi



The package is in a zip format it is about 300 meg or so for the whole
package. There is a run time file you need to click on and after that it is
the tts voices need to be installed.

The link to the drop boxs account is
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zthyyh9kef7repx/Speech%20Platform%2011%20engine%20and%20voices.zip?dl=0



I also have the speech hub package but the add on needs to be installed
after speech hub has been installed.



the add on can be found under the following section in windows c: drive then
program files x86 then speech hub then nvda add on then just do the usual to
install it the add on i mean.



the drop box link is
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zzgos2mu38ss3i1/SpeechHubInstall.exe?dl=0



On 9/22/2017 10:39 PM, Peter Beasley wrote:
does it work on Windows 7?

From: Gene New Zealand<mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 9:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Speech Platform


Hi



I do have the whole package of voices for speech platform if you are
interested along with the run time tingy to get those voices working.



I just looked on my windows 10 creators update machine and there under the
synth section is one for speech platform so i have it installed.

I only have the one voice installed called sarah but i could install more if
i can see it.



if you are interested i can drop box them.

They are the complete set so will have other languages as well apart from
english.



Gene nz





On 9/21/2017 11:29 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Is MS Speech Platform still compatible with NVDA? It's been several

years since I first installed it and I've changed computers and NVDA's

interface has changed and I don't know if it's still possible to install

Speech Platform in it, which makes me a bit sad because I like those

voices, just not as a default. I've also forgotten how to install them

in NVDA and I can see they're not addon packages, so...









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location) is near to you please visit
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People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.


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screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
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Re: Microsoft Speech Platform

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


yes they will they used to be used on a windows 7 machine only the english ones.


I guess it will depend which language you speak and what you install as your tts voices.


Gene n



On 9/24/2017 1:34 AM, Casey wrote:

Hi will these work with windows seven and if so what voices will you get?

If you use it under windows seven?

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 3:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Speech Platform

 

Hi

 

The package is in a zip format it is about 300 meg or so for the whole package.  There is a run time file you need to click on and after that it is the tts voices need to be installed.

The link to the drop boxs account is https://www.dropbox.com/s/zthyyh9kef7repx/Speech%20Platform%2011%20engine%20and%20voices.zip?dl=0

 

I also have the speech hub package but the add on needs to be installed after speech hub has been installed.

 

the add on can be found under the following section in windows c: drive then program files x86 then speech hub then nvda add on then just do the usual to install it the add on i mean.

 

the drop box link is https://www.dropbox.com/s/zzgos2mu38ss3i1/SpeechHubInstall.exe?dl=0

 

 

On 9/22/2017 10:39 PM, Peter Beasley wrote:

does it work on Windows 7?

 

Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 9:45 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Speech Platform

 

Hi

 

I do have the whole package of voices for speech platform if you are interested along with the run time tingy to get those voices working.

 

I just looked on my windows 10 creators update machine and there under the synth section is one for speech platform so i have it installed.

I only have the one voice installed called sarah but i could install more if i can see it.

 

if you are interested i can drop box them.

They are the complete set so will have other languages as well apart from english.

 

Gene nz

 

 

 

On 9/21/2017 11:29 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Is MS Speech Platform still compatible with NVDA? It's been several 
years since I first installed it and I've changed computers and NVDA's 
interface has changed and I don't know if it's still possible to install 
Speech Platform in it, which makes me a bit sad because I like those 
voices, just not as a default. I've also forgotten how to install them 
in NVDA and I can see they're not addon packages, so...
 
 
 
 

 

--
Image NVDA certified expert

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

 

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Re: usenet?

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Hi, our power post and power grab still a thing?

On September 23, 2017 11:55:30 AM "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello any one here still use usenet?  if so what clients are you using?
Hank


Re: Problems with IE - nothing speaks

Tony Ballou
 

Howdy,


You may need some sighted assistance doing this but it should fix things. 


Troubleshooting - NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of your browsers, Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places
If for some reason you have problems with NVDA saying “unknown” or “pane” check for the following symptoms:

In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email client, no matter what you do, you still hear “unknown” or “pane”.

In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you cannot get into your menus, or you are unable to use the quick navigation keys

When you have been told the page is loaded and notice strange behaviour

Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to navigate it

Your applications key does not work with it being spoken out and other strange behaviour in Windows

The running applications icons are not being spoken out
It might be a good idea to do the following:
Please note: If you are hearing “unknown” or “pane” (as discussed above) NVDA might seem like it is still working properly but it may not be completely in Windows and other programmes.
You could try the following solution which will allow you to re-register your dll files in case they are causing the problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following into the search box. Type in “command prompt”. Once you have located command prompt, in the search results, press the Applications key to bring up the context menu. Arrow down to select “run as administrator” and press the Enter key. This will take you to a command prompt window. This will not be spoken out. You may need sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following command
for %x in (c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x
This should re-register all components in the system32 folder.
When it is finished, you can close the command prompt window with the Alt + F4 key. You should notice now where NVDA was saying “unknown” as in some examples given, NVDA should now read the icons in the running applications area of Windows, speak the content of the webpage and menus, and also in Mozilla Thunderbird and other places in Windows including the Windows applications context menu.

Hope this helps.


Tony
On 9/22/2017 12:32 PM, Pettyjohn, Chris G. (FTC) wrote:
I'm on the NV Access homepage.  None of the navigation links are spoken when tabbed to. Pressing h does not go through headings, it just says 'h'.  Pressing NVDA+f7 opens a caret browsing dialog box.  What have I done?

Windows 7
IE 11
NVDA 2017.3


Virus-free. www.avast.com


usenet?

 

Hello any one here still use usenet?  if so what clients are you using?
Hank


Re: Citrix accessibility - could start cooperations #NVAccess

Adriani Botez
 

Dear Didier,

 

 

cool word playing above :D^^

 

Well thanks alot for your detailed share of experience. I have encountered the same issues and yes, i think they are not to complicated to be solved. However I think in order to make it really valuable and simple to use, from a practiccal perspective, Citrix would have to implement NVDA in their core system to start it by a shortcut similar to windows narator or so. This would eliminate any issues with installations or different servers / platforms etc. Would it technically be possible to implement NVDA as a standard sub application of Citrix? I’m thinking loud because if it worked, then we could do it for example for the bloomberg Terminal software as well. This would have a huge positive impact for blind people when seeking a job. We also could work at a stock exchange or stuff like that. We have a bloomberg terminal in our company as well but it has the same issues as Citrix.

 

 

Best regards

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Didier Colle
Gesendet: Samstag, 23. September 2017 13:37
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Citrix accessibility - #NVAccess could start cooperations

 

Dear Adriani,

 

For what it is worth, I will share my experience.

 

When the NVDA remote add-on was released (one or two years ago?), I tried to run it on the citrix platform of one of my employers making use of magnification and the very little vision I have left.

I did this as simple user, thus no administrator or whatever other priveledges: I just ran a portable NVDA copy on the citrix platform, thus NVDA does not need to be "installed" on that platform.

 

functionally, it did work. However, somehow the voice was kinda choppy. Why that was the case, is unclear to me, as only commands are send over the network connection and not the audio itself (the speech is generated on the local machine). Perhaps this has somehting to do with the bad/no support for multithreading in python? Do other users of the remote add-on experience something similar?

 

Besides the choppy speech issue, a point of attention is the user friendliness.

First of all, the citrix platform administrators should provide an easy way to launch NVDA. Probably that means somehow installing NVDA or at least the platform should be aware where an NVDA portable copy can be found, such that on the webpage where citrix applications can be launched/chosen also NVDA can be launched. (in particular what I did was fire up the remote Windows Explorer application from that page, which allowed me to navigate to my local disk, which was mounted after the necessary security dialog box asking whether I wanted to allow the remote application to access my local disk, after which I could simply navigate to the portable NVDA copy I created on my local machine, after which I could fire up NVDA remotely... having almost no vision left, a very impractical procedure, but for a single test run good enough).

Secondly, the current remote add-on needs configuration, for mainly configuring the network connection. Instead of having the remote and local NVDA instance communicating over a separate dedicated network connection, I believe the remote add-on should be changed such that on citrix the NVDA communication is tunneled through the citrix network connection as separate virtual channel. This would prevent for each session a new configuration would take place. This is something the NVDA community should be able to realize.

I do not expect major issues from a technical point of view why those two issues could not be realized

 

From a hardware perspective, a citrix platform is a bunch of servers, also called a server farm. A bit simplified, one or a couple of these servers orchestrates the whole platform, meaning when a new instance of an application is launched, it decides on what other server machine that instance should be launched and then contact that machine to instruct it to launch that application for the right user. All the other worker servers act pretty much as normal windows machines (again pretty much simplified).

I guess (but I do not know enough about citrix) that this means that there is no guarantee that firing up a new application instance would take place on the same machine as the one on which the remote NVDA instance was started: in such situation that running NVDA instance would be of no use for that new launched application. Preventing or dealing with such circumstances would be harder as it would imply something more than just having NVDA launched as any other application on the citrix platform (a tighter intergration/cooperation with the orchestrator component would be needed). I have no clue whether such circcumstances could occur and if they can how rare they are; it did not occur in my small experiment I described above.

 

Kind regards,

 

Didier

 

 

On 22/09/2017 21:39, adriani.botez via Groups.Io wrote:

Dear all,

here is a very comprehensive statement of Citrix on accessibility

https://www.citrix.com/content/dam/citrix/en_us/documents/support/using-common-accessibility-and-adaptability-software-with-citrix-xenapp.pdf

I wonder why NVDA is not being covered at all. Citrix commited itself to accessibility during this year and explained that through their Voluntary Product Accessibility Template (VPAT) for every product. But if you read the accessibility note above, it is far to complicated for a simple user. Especially when a company has 50 servers or more like in a bank. Data security will become more and more important. Every company will adapt their server structures and will not work on just one server. it will get more complicated for us screen reader users to convince them to install everything on every server. This cannot be a good solution in the long run.

In my view, NV Access should start cooperating with them. Or at least try to simplify the procedures.

https://www.citrix.com/about/legal/security-compliance/section-508.html

What is your opinion folks?


Cheers
Adriani

 


Re: Netflix site?

Matt Turner
 

me either.

But when dooing that, the heading inside your account that says, keep watching, is there now.

On 9/23/2017 3:51 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

That seems a little odd. I don't get the connection at all.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Netflix site?


Hi, all fixed now.

Just had to clear cookies.


On 9/22/2017 4:28 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


Where do you mean on the out side of the website or the inside where the movies are?


I was in there a couple of days ago watching the old doctor who.


Gene nz



On 9/23/2017 5:57 AM, Matt Turner wrote:
Is it just me, or have all the headings disappeared.

Using the latest version of chrome, and NVDA.



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Re: Microsoft Speech Platform

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi will these work with windows seven and if so what voices will you get?

If you use it under windows seven?

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 3:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Speech Platform

 

Hi

 

The package is in a zip format it is about 300 meg or so for the whole package.  There is a run time file you need to click on and after that it is the tts voices need to be installed.

The link to the drop boxs account is https://www.dropbox.com/s/zthyyh9kef7repx/Speech%20Platform%2011%20engine%20and%20voices.zip?dl=0

 

I also have the speech hub package but the add on needs to be installed after speech hub has been installed.

 

the add on can be found under the following section in windows c: drive then program files x86 then speech hub then nvda add on then just do the usual to install it the add on i mean.

 

the drop box link is https://www.dropbox.com/s/zzgos2mu38ss3i1/SpeechHubInstall.exe?dl=0

 

 

On 9/22/2017 10:39 PM, Peter Beasley wrote:

does it work on Windows 7?

 

Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 9:45 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Speech Platform

 

Hi

 

I do have the whole package of voices for speech platform if you are interested along with the run time tingy to get those voices working.

 

I just looked on my windows 10 creators update machine and there under the synth section is one for speech platform so i have it installed.

I only have the one voice installed called sarah but i could install more if i can see it.

 

if you are interested i can drop box them.

They are the complete set so will have other languages as well apart from english.

 

Gene nz

 

 

 

On 9/21/2017 11:29 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Is MS Speech Platform still compatible with NVDA? It's been several 
years since I first installed it and I've changed computers and NVDA's 
interface has changed and I don't know if it's still possible to install 
Speech Platform in it, which makes me a bit sad because I like those 
voices, just not as a default. I've also forgotten how to install them 
in NVDA and I can see they're not addon packages, so...
 
 
 
 

 

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Re: Citrix accessibility - could start cooperations #NVAccess

Didier Colle
 

Dear Adriani,


For what it is worth, I will share my experience.


When the NVDA remote add-on was released (one or two years ago?), I tried to run it on the citrix platform of one of my employers making use of magnification and the very little vision I have left.

I did this as simple user, thus no administrator or whatever other priveledges: I just ran a portable NVDA copy on the citrix platform, thus NVDA does not need to be "installed" on that platform.


functionally, it did work. However, somehow the voice was kinda choppy. Why that was the case, is unclear to me, as only commands are send over the network connection and not the audio itself (the speech is generated on the local machine). Perhaps this has somehting to do with the bad/no support for multithreading in python? Do other users of the remote add-on experience something similar?


Besides the choppy speech issue, a point of attention is the user friendliness.

First of all, the citrix platform administrators should provide an easy way to launch NVDA. Probably that means somehow installing NVDA or at least the platform should be aware where an NVDA portable copy can be found, such that on the webpage where citrix applications can be launched/chosen also NVDA can be launched. (in particular what I did was fire up the remote Windows Explorer application from that page, which allowed me to navigate to my local disk, which was mounted after the necessary security dialog box asking whether I wanted to allow the remote application to access my local disk, after which I could simply navigate to the portable NVDA copy I created on my local machine, after which I could fire up NVDA remotely... having almost no vision left, a very impractical procedure, but for a single test run good enough).

Secondly, the current remote add-on needs configuration, for mainly configuring the network connection. Instead of having the remote and local NVDA instance communicating over a separate dedicated network connection, I believe the remote add-on should be changed such that on citrix the NVDA communication is tunneled through the citrix network connection as separate virtual channel. This would prevent for each session a new configuration would take place. This is something the NVDA community should be able to realize.

I do not expect major issues from a technical point of view why those two issues could not be realized


From a hardware perspective, a citrix platform is a bunch of servers, also called a server farm. A bit simplified, one or a couple of these servers orchestrates the whole platform, meaning when a new instance of an application is launched, it decides on what other server machine that instance should be launched and then contact that machine to instruct it to launch that application for the right user. All the other worker servers act pretty much as normal windows machines (again pretty much simplified).

I guess (but I do not know enough about citrix) that this means that there is no guarantee that firing up a new application instance would take place on the same machine as the one on which the remote NVDA instance was started: in such situation that running NVDA instance would be of no use for that new launched application. Preventing or dealing with such circumstances would be harder as it would imply something more than just having NVDA launched as any other application on the citrix platform (a tighter intergration/cooperation with the orchestrator component would be needed). I have no clue whether such circcumstances could occur and if they can how rare they are; it did not occur in my small experiment I described above.


Kind regards,


Didier



On 22/09/2017 21:39, adriani.botez via Groups.Io wrote:
Dear all,

here is a very comprehensive statement of Citrix on accessibility

https://www.citrix.com/content/dam/citrix/en_us/documents/support/using-common-accessibility-and-adaptability-software-with-citrix-xenapp.pdf

I wonder why NVDA is not being covered at all. Citrix commited itself to accessibility during this year and explained that through their Voluntary Product Accessibility Template (VPAT) for every product. But if you read the accessibility note above, it is far to complicated for a simple user. Especially when a company has 50 servers or more like in a bank. Data security will become more and more important. Every company will adapt their server structures and will not work on just one server. it will get more complicated for us screen reader users to convince them to install everything on every server. This cannot be a good solution in the long run.

In my view, NV Access should start cooperating with them. Or at least try to simplify the procedures.

https://www.citrix.com/about/legal/security-compliance/section-508.html

What is your opinion folks?


Cheers
Adriani


Re: accessibility of zoom

Lino Morales
 

Is it better than Team Talk?


On 9/21/2017 7:24 AM, Christopher Bartlett wrote:
Zoom is a teleconferencing site sort of like GoToMeeting.  Mystic Access uses it for their classes, in one of which I am currently enrolled.  For shared presentations, it works quite well, even including sharing screen reader audio with the shared screen feature.  It has a number of keyboard shortcuts that make navigating its interface pretty usable.
I don't have an experience with the chat features, so I can't comment on the specific problem of no text echo.  I note that this is a problem in general with Chrome, and wonder if they are built with any similarities in architecture in this  regard.
Chris


On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 4:51 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
what is zoom.

I may look at it.




On 21/09/2017 4:55 p.m., Governor staten wrote:
Has anyone out there had experience with this software, and the accessibility, or lack thereof? It appears that there is lots to be desired where accessibility is concerned. I'd like to know if there is something I can do to remedy this issue?

An organization I'm a part of uses this client multiple times a week. Again, if anyone has any experience with this software, please get in contact with me, off of the list. govsta@... is my address. You can reply on list if there are add-ons for this software, or other solutions I should try. Hopefully not too confusing. :)


According to the link on accessibility found at https://zoom.us/accessibility#accessibility

they say that NVDA, JAWS and Voiceover should work well with this software. My experience, while not terrible, isn't perfect. Is it just me, or is the accessibility not completely honest?


If anyone wants to give this software a going over, it can be found at www.zoom.us. Thanks for your consideration in this matter.









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Christopher Bartlett