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Re: Annoying "no associated drafts"

Chris
 

I get the same here on all messages in outlook 2016, no associated draft

 

Always thought it may have ben an outlook issue rather than a nvda issue

 

And has always done it for me

 

 

 

 


Re: tw-blue

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So which should I get then?
Brian

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From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] tw-blue


I'm going to have a look at the URL and see who the bloaks who decided
to be cute to bring back the Qube.


On 9/22/2017 11:36 PM, Kwork wrote:
That is no longer true about The Qube. An updated version, 0.88, just
came out on Sept 21, and it works great.
http://theqube.oire.org/
Travis
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rémy Ruiz <mailto:remyruiz@gmail.com>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Sent:* Friday, September 22, 2017 1:21 PM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] tw-blue

Hi Andy,

Qwitter or the Qube are not supported any more!

in a few well-chosen TW Blue!
Cheers since France.
Rémy
Le 22/09/2017 à 21:51, Andy a écrit :
If you ever used Qwitter or the Qube, it's almost identicle to those.
Andy

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Florian Ionașcu <mailto:florianionascu@hotmail.com>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Sent:* Friday, September 22, 2017 10:46 AM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] tw-blue

Hello Anthony, I also recomend you to read TWBlu's user guide. At
present, TWBlu's interface is translated into 20 languages and
its documentation is translated into 9 of them.
Cheers,
Florian


Re: usenet?

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I'd certainly not trust buying stuff from ausenet listed company. Its at best spam, at worst, probably a scam!
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From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] usenet?


What does buying things have to do with usenet?

Antony

On Saturday 23 September 2017 at 23:14:02, erik burggraaf wrote:

I used easynews myself when I cared about such things. Nowadays I just buy
what I want. Even though I don't have a lot of money, it's easier, and the
quality is better.
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Re: usenet?

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Not heard of those.

Incidentally you can still get quotefix for Outlook express if the group you join is not liberal enough to accept top posting.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] usenet?


Hi, our power post and power grab still a thing?


On September 23, 2017 11:55:30 AM "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello any one here still use usenet? if so what clients are you using?
Hank








Re: usenet?

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I'm using Outlook Express. I see from a lot of the headers that many use TBird.
I'd steer clear of the online Google interface its very clunky and awkward.

Question, as I no longer can look does the new windows 10 app have usenet support as did Live mail and Outlook Express.
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Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 4:54 PM
Subject: [nvda] usenet?


Hello any one here still use usenet? if so what clients are you using?
Hank



Re: Microsoft Speech Platform

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Well the speech platform works. I only bothered with the two voices though.
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Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Speech Platform


Hi will these work with windows seven and if so what voices will you get?

If you use it under windows seven?









From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 3:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Speech Platform



Hi



The package is in a zip format it is about 300 meg or so for the whole package. There is a run time file you need to click on and after that it is the tts voices need to be installed.

The link to the drop boxs account is https://www.dropbox.com/s/zthyyh9kef7repx/Speech%20Platform%2011%20engine%20and%20voices.zip?dl=0



I also have the speech hub package but the add on needs to be installed after speech hub has been installed.



the add on can be found under the following section in windows c: drive then program files x86 then speech hub then nvda add on then just do the usual to install it the add on i mean.



the drop box link is https://www.dropbox.com/s/zzgos2mu38ss3i1/SpeechHubInstall.exe?dl=0





On 9/22/2017 10:39 PM, Peter Beasley wrote:

does it work on Windows 7?



From: Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>

Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 9:45 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Speech Platform



Hi



I do have the whole package of voices for speech platform if you are interested along with the run time tingy to get those voices working.



I just looked on my windows 10 creators update machine and there under the synth section is one for speech platform so i have it installed.

I only have the one voice installed called sarah but i could install more if i can see it.



if you are interested i can drop box them.

They are the complete set so will have other languages as well apart from english.



Gene nz







On 9/21/2017 11:29 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Is MS Speech Platform still compatible with NVDA? It's been several
years since I first installed it and I've changed computers and NVDA's
interface has changed and I don't know if it's still possible to install
Speech Platform in it, which makes me a bit sad because I like those
voices, just not as a default. I've also forgotten how to install them
in NVDA and I can see they're not addon packages, so...







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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.



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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Citrix accessibility - could start cooperations #NVAccess

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I somehow feel this experience should be also put on the github and the add ons area so the details are not lost in the mists of time. I'm not personally interested in this, but it sounds very useful for some people to me, to be able to do this.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Didier Colle" <didier.colle@telenet.be>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Citrix accessibility - #NVAccess could start cooperations


Dear Adriani,


For what it is worth, I will share my experience.


When the NVDA remote add-on was released (one or two years ago?), I
tried to run it on the citrix platform of one of my employers making use
of magnification and the very little vision I have left.

I did this as simple user, thus no administrator or whatever other
priveledges: I just ran a portable NVDA copy on the citrix platform,
thus NVDA does not need to be "installed" on that platform.


functionally, it did work. However, somehow the voice was kinda choppy.
Why that was the case, is unclear to me, as only commands are send over
the network connection and not the audio itself (the speech is generated
on the local machine). Perhaps this has somehting to do with the bad/no
support for multithreading in python? Do other users of the remote
add-on experience something similar?


Besides the choppy speech issue, a point of attention is the user
friendliness.

First of all, the citrix platform administrators should provide an easy
way to launch NVDA. Probably that means somehow installing NVDA or at
least the platform should be aware where an NVDA portable copy can be
found, such that on the webpage where citrix applications can be
launched/chosen also NVDA can be launched. (in particular what I did was
fire up the remote Windows Explorer application from that page, which
allowed me to navigate to my local disk, which was mounted after the
necessary security dialog box asking whether I wanted to allow the
remote application to access my local disk, after which I could simply
navigate to the portable NVDA copy I created on my local machine, after
which I could fire up NVDA remotely... having almost no vision left, a
very impractical procedure, but for a single test run good enough).

Secondly, the current remote add-on needs configuration, for mainly
configuring the network connection. Instead of having the remote and
local NVDA instance communicating over a separate dedicated network
connection, I believe the remote add-on should be changed such that on
citrix the NVDA communication is tunneled through the citrix network
connection as separate virtual channel. This would prevent for each
session a new configuration would take place. This is something the NVDA
community should be able to realize.

I do not expect major issues from a technical point of view why those
two issues could not be realized


From a hardware perspective, a citrix platform is a bunch of servers,
also called a server farm. A bit simplified, one or a couple of these
servers orchestrates the whole platform, meaning when a new instance of
an application is launched, it decides on what other server machine that
instance should be launched and then contact that machine to instruct it
to launch that application for the right user. All the other worker
servers act pretty much as normal windows machines (again pretty much
simplified).

I guess (but I do not know enough about citrix) that this means that
there is no guarantee that firing up a new application instance would
take place on the same machine as the one on which the remote NVDA
instance was started: in such situation that running NVDA instance would
be of no use for that new launched application. Preventing or dealing
with such circumstances would be harder as it would imply something more
than just having NVDA launched as any other application on the citrix
platform (a tighter intergration/cooperation with the orchestrator
component would be needed). I have no clue whether such circcumstances
could occur and if they can how rare they are; it did not occur in my
small experiment I described above.


Kind regards,


Didier



On 22/09/2017 21:39, adriani.botez via Groups.Io wrote:
Dear all,

here is a very comprehensive statement of Citrix on accessibility

https://www.citrix.com/content/dam/citrix/en_us/documents/support/using-common-accessibility-and-adaptability-software-with-citrix-xenapp.pdf

I wonder why NVDA is not being covered at all. Citrix commited itself
to accessibility during this year and explained that through
their Voluntary Product Accessibility Template (VPAT) for every
product. But if you read the accessibility note above, it is far to
complicated for a simple user. Especially when a company has 50
servers or more like in a bank. Data security will become more and
more important. Every company will adapt their server structures and
will not work on just one server. it will get more complicated for us
screen reader users to convince them to install everything on every
server. This cannot be a good solution in the long run.

In my view, NV Access should start cooperating with them. Or at least
try to simplify the procedures.

https://www.citrix.com/about/legal/security-compliance/section-508.html

What is your opinion folks?


Cheers
Adriani


Re: usenet?

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I still use it. I use albersani and eternal september servers mostly thought that good old work horse Outlook Express.
Many groups are now spm filled but many are not and often one can easily filter such rubbish.

Because its all text and the interface on your client is the same everywhere its a big difference to forums where anarchy seems to reign these days on how the heck you use them, plus of cuourse yu do not have to register every bloomin time to go anywhere to post. Inndeed the ones for digital tv and audio, radio and telecoms are still very active to name but a few.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <gmjc341961@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 2:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] usenet?


Hello All:

Wow! Are we all remembering the good old days when FIDONet was ruling the BBS world!



On 9/23/2017 6:37 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Usenet has groups (just like some web sites) where illegal stuff shows up, but it's more useful for it's thousands of groups covering every topic imaginable, where you can get information and talk about just about anything. I used to use it a lot in the early 90s when I was in college for talking about favorite artists, and to enjoy cyberpunk stories generally written by the participants of the group, it was pretty cool. Fan fiction sites fill that gap these days, but it was cool to have the message scome to you, which is what I liked the most about usenet.

They have programming groups too, you can learn just about any language, ask questions, get help with source code, and more. Of course, overflow.com and other sites cover that these days too, but it was a nice place to talk about topics that must folks didn't cara about (such as mudding alt.muds), and plenty more. I used to use it all the time. Never used it for finding pay content, but a lot of folks did, and probably still do. I like it more for the access to information and stories myself.


On 9/23/2017 5:36 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
Usenet was one of the primary ways that people use to share underground content such as mp3 music, movies, and audiobooks. That is what I used it for anyway. Nowadays, it's cheaper and easier to buy what you want, and the quality and selection are better.


On September 23, 2017 5:19:03 PM "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:

What does buying things have to do with usenet?

Antony

On Saturday 23 September 2017 at 23:14:02, erik burggraaf wrote:

I used easynews myself when I cared about such things. Nowadays I just buy
what I want. Even though I don't have a lot of money, it's easier, and the
quality is better.


--
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Re: accessibility of zoom

 

Here is an update, directly from the Zoom accessibility people.


1. While there are possibly a few bugs that may prevent access to certain elements within the meeting product, there should be full keyboard accessibility support with NVDA. Our team has found some bugs with notifications that are NVDA specific and we are working to address these issues. We do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. Even with these bugs, you should be able to navigate through the Zoom app with the screen reader. If you seem to be running into specific issues, can you please let us know what seems to be occurring on your end, are you getting caught in focus traps, are specific items' labels not being read? Please let me know!
2. Can you please clarify if this is chat while you are in a meeting or is this using the out of meeting chat window? We would like to further investigate what might be causing this.
3. This sounds very strange, can you please verify that you are on the latest version of Zoom from https://zoom.us/download? If you could please install the latest Zoom Client for Meetings and let



I basically told him what I told you all. Something interesting. I used JAWS 16, and I was able to properly edit text in all edit fields, and here notifications using ARIA. If any developer is watching this, would it be wise to file a ticket on this? Please advise. I'd like these issues to be remedied. Right now, I use JAWS 16 for Zoom alone, and would like to not use it for that.




On 9/21/2017 1:04 AM, Governor staten wrote:

An example of inaccessibility in this software is the fact that when typing in edit fields, you cannot easily review the text. It is impossible to use the arrow keys to read what you have written. That is just for starters.





On 9/21/2017 12:55 AM, Governor staten wrote:

Has anyone out there had experience with this software, and the accessibility, or lack thereof? It appears that there is lots to be desired where accessibility is concerned. I'd like to know if there is something I can do to remedy this issue?

An organization I'm a part of uses this client multiple times a week. Again, if anyone has any experience with this software, please get in contact with me, off of the list. govsta@... is my address. You can reply on list if there are add-ons for this software, or other solutions I should try. Hopefully not too confusing. :)


According to the link on accessibility found at https://zoom.us/accessibility#accessibility

they say that NVDA, JAWS and Voiceover should work well with this software. My experience, while not terrible, isn't perfect. Is it just me, or is the accessibility not completely honest?


If anyone wants to give this software a going over, it can be found at www.zoom.us. Thanks for your consideration in this matter.


Wordpress tutorials for the blind

 

To all listers
Could you recommend any wordpress tutorials that accessible for the blind?
This might be an off topic, but I think we have member who know this. I'm creating a website for NVDA Vietnamese community, and I need knowledges about how a blind can created a wordpress site.
Any help would be appreciated, and so sorry, if I'm not allow to post this here.
Cuong
---------------
 Dang Manh Cuong
 The Assistive technology specialist
 Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
 Tel: +8428 7302-4488
 E-mail: vanphong@...; congnghe@...
 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SaoMaiCenter
 Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org
 
 Mobile / Zalo: +84 902-572-300
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Re: Annoying "no associated drafts"

Quentin Christensen
 

How long has this been happening?  Last I heard of this bug, it was fixed in NVDA 2016.3.  Have you done anything lately (installed or uninstalled software, updated to a new build of windows etc).

Regards,

Quentin.

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 12:24 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

How can I stop NVDA from announcing no associated drafts at every single message in every folder in Outlook 2016? Im running Windows 10 and latest NVDA 2017.3 I am using Office 365 for Business.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some accessible free radio streamer

 

Just checked the raimersoft site and in the change log since v2.0.6 it says no longer free

 

 

http://www.raimersoft.co/TapinRadio_whatsnew.aspx

 

 

as far as I can see the pro version still works ok, although no updates in a while

 




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Re: vocalizer voices (got it partly figured out)

Gene
 

Asking the same questions repeatedly won't help you get rid of E-Speak.  (spelling)  You've done the same things for months and it has accomplished nothing.  Would you walk around the same block thirty times if you weren't getting closer to your destination?  You have been given sources to check for voices.  Use the sources you have been given. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] vocalizer voices (got it partly figured out)

sorry I hate e speak it is borning

On 9/23/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I mean just don't ask questions that have been repeatedly asked by the same
> person in an unreasonably close together period of time.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: Lino Morales
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 7:22 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] vocalizer voices (got it partly figured out)
>
>
> We listers said this about 10000000000000000000000000000000 times
> already and I'm tired of repeating myself also. Use! the! supplyed!
> SSAPI 5! voices! or the one core! Sheesh!
>
>
> On 9/22/2017 10:47 PM, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo wrote:
>> if we cant stand e speak how do we get a free NVDA voice
>>
>> On 9/22/17, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
>>> I can't stand ESpeak either Travis, but I know the page you are talking
>>> about. Yes poorly designed.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/19/2017 3:49 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
>>>> I have to say, the web page where the nvda plugin is up for download
>>>> is terrible.  According to the site (and I quote).
>>>>
>>>> Once the Add-on is installed along with NVDA, you can select either
>>>> Code Factory Eloquence or Code Factory Vocalizer in the NVDA
>>>> Synthesizer dialog and then select the preferred language in the NVDA
>>>> Voice dialog.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, only this doesn't work for vocalizer voices.  It works just fine
>>>> for eloquence voice (which btw, I can't stand), but apparently, for
>>>> vocalizer voices, you need to go to another page (not linked to
>>>> anywhere on the NVDA plugins page), and download the voices you want
>>>> to use.  This is pretty poor page design, especially since there is no
>>>> mention anywhere on the page that voices need to be downloaded.
>>>>
>>>> But, just for reference, downloading the voices I wanted didn't change
>>>> my circle of errors, I'm still getting the thanks for using, and
>>>> telling me that pressing ok will start the install process, (which btw
>>>> doesn't).  Installing the samantha voice separately also doesn't solve
>>>> my problem, I can select vocolizer in the code factory menu, but when
>>>> going to synthesizer and selecting vocalizer is how I get into that
>>>> nice endless error circle, so there is definitely still work that
>>>> needs done on these voices.  I'd be demanding my money back with no
>>>> doubt if I'd had this experience after paying for these things.  The
>>>> seven day trial is nice, but it isn't of any use to me, because
>>>> nothing here is working, so I'm just going to write it all off as a
>>>> bad idea and go back to being content with my espeak ivan 3 voice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>


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Re: vocalizer voices (got it partly figured out)

Gene
 

I don't know why you unendingly ask the same questions over and over again.  Nothing is likely to change over a short period of time, but if it does, it will likely be on the NVDA voices page and maybe discussed here.  Do you think you are going to magically get a different answer by asking the same questions over and over every time any thread about voices comes up? 
 
You have been given the resource that lists voices and that is updated by NVDA developers or volunteers from time to time.  That is, the web page where NVDA developers or volunteers who work on the page list voices, either for free or paid.  Read the information.  There may be links for more information about various voices, I haven't looked at the page enough to know.  Try the ones you want.  If you want to know if there are new fvoices, check the page as often as you want.  But stop asking repeatedly here.  Once every six months may be alright.  No more often.  If you keep replying to thread after thread with the same questions concerning voices, I shall moderate you.  I'll approve questions that you haven't asked repeatedly but not the same questions that you ask unendingly. 
 
Your constant repetitive questions annoy many list members and cause useless unnecessary traffic. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] vocalizer voices (got it partly figured out)

any other NVDA voices for free

On 9/23/17, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
> We listers said this about 10000000000000000000000000000000 times
> already and I'm tired of repeating myself also. Use! the! supplyed!
> SSAPI 5! voices! or the one core! Sheesh!
>
>
> On 9/22/2017 10:47 PM, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo wrote:
>> if we cant stand e speak how do we get a free NVDA voice
>>
>> On 9/22/17, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
>>> I can't stand ESpeak either Travis, but I know the page you are talking
>>> about. Yes poorly designed.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/19/2017 3:49 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
>>>> I have to say, the web page where the nvda plugin is up for download
>>>> is terrible.  According to the site (and I quote).
>>>>
>>>> Once the Add-on is installed along with NVDA, you can select either
>>>> Code Factory Eloquence or Code Factory Vocalizer in the NVDA
>>>> Synthesizer dialog and then select the preferred language in the NVDA
>>>> Voice dialog.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, only this doesn't work for vocalizer voices.  It works just fine
>>>> for eloquence voice (which btw, I can't stand), but apparently, for
>>>> vocalizer voices, you need to go to another page (not linked to
>>>> anywhere on the NVDA plugins page), and download the voices you want
>>>> to use.  This is pretty poor page design, especially since there is no
>>>> mention anywhere on the page that voices need to be downloaded.
>>>>
>>>> But, just for reference, downloading the voices I wanted didn't change
>>>> my circle of errors, I'm still getting the thanks for using, and
>>>> telling me that pressing ok will start the install process, (which btw
>>>> doesn't).  Installing the samantha voice separately also doesn't solve
>>>> my problem, I can select vocolizer in the code factory menu, but when
>>>> going to synthesizer and selecting vocalizer is how I get into that
>>>> nice endless error circle, so there is definitely still work that
>>>> needs done on these voices.  I'd be demanding my money back with no
>>>> doubt if I'd had this experience after paying for these things.  The
>>>> seven day trial is nice, but it isn't of any use to me, because
>>>> nothing here is working, so I'm just going to write it all off as a
>>>> bad idea and go back to being content with my espeak ivan 3 voice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: vocalizer voices (got it partly figured out)

mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
 

sorry I hate e speak it is borning

On 9/23/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I mean just don't ask questions that have been repeatedly asked by the same
person in an unreasonably close together period of time.

Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Lino Morales
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 7:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] vocalizer voices (got it partly figured out)


We listers said this about 10000000000000000000000000000000 times
already and I'm tired of repeating myself also. Use! the! supplyed!
SSAPI 5! voices! or the one core! Sheesh!


On 9/22/2017 10:47 PM, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo wrote:
if we cant stand e speak how do we get a free NVDA voice

On 9/22/17, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:
I can't stand ESpeak either Travis, but I know the page you are talking
about. Yes poorly designed.


On 9/19/2017 3:49 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
I have to say, the web page where the nvda plugin is up for download
is terrible. According to the site (and I quote).

Once the Add-on is installed along with NVDA, you can select either
Code Factory Eloquence or Code Factory Vocalizer in the NVDA
Synthesizer dialog and then select the preferred language in the NVDA
Voice dialog.


Yeah, only this doesn't work for vocalizer voices. It works just fine
for eloquence voice (which btw, I can't stand), but apparently, for
vocalizer voices, you need to go to another page (not linked to
anywhere on the NVDA plugins page), and download the voices you want
to use. This is pretty poor page design, especially since there is no
mention anywhere on the page that voices need to be downloaded.

But, just for reference, downloading the voices I wanted didn't change
my circle of errors, I'm still getting the thanks for using, and
telling me that pressing ok will start the install process, (which btw
doesn't). Installing the samantha voice separately also doesn't solve
my problem, I can select vocolizer in the code factory menu, but when
going to synthesizer and selecting vocalizer is how I get into that
nice endless error circle, so there is definitely still work that
needs done on these voices. I'd be demanding my money back with no
doubt if I'd had this experience after paying for these things. The
seven day trial is nice, but it isn't of any use to me, because
nothing here is working, so I'm just going to write it all off as a
bad idea and go back to being content with my espeak ivan 3 voice.









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Re: vocalizer voices (got it partly figured out)

Gene
 

I mean just don't ask questions that have been repeatedly asked by the same person in an unreasonably close together period of time. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] vocalizer voices (got it partly figured out)

We listers said this about 10000000000000000000000000000000 times
already and I'm tired of repeating myself also. Use! the! supplyed!
SSAPI 5! voices! or the one core! Sheesh!


On 9/22/2017 10:47 PM, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo wrote:
> if we cant stand e speak how do we get a free NVDA voice
>
> On 9/22/17, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
>> I can't stand ESpeak either Travis, but I know the page you are talking
>> about. Yes poorly designed.
>>
>>
>> On 9/19/2017 3:49 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
>>> I have to say, the web page where the nvda plugin is up for download
>>> is terrible.  According to the site (and I quote).
>>>
>>> Once the Add-on is installed along with NVDA, you can select either
>>> Code Factory Eloquence or Code Factory Vocalizer in the NVDA
>>> Synthesizer dialog and then select the preferred language in the NVDA
>>> Voice dialog.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, only this doesn't work for vocalizer voices.  It works just fine
>>> for eloquence voice (which btw, I can't stand), but apparently, for
>>> vocalizer voices, you need to go to another page (not linked to
>>> anywhere on the NVDA plugins page), and download the voices you want
>>> to use.  This is pretty poor page design, especially since there is no
>>> mention anywhere on the page that voices need to be downloaded.
>>>
>>> But, just for reference, downloading the voices I wanted didn't change
>>> my circle of errors, I'm still getting the thanks for using, and
>>> telling me that pressing ok will start the install process, (which btw
>>> doesn't).  Installing the samantha voice separately also doesn't solve
>>> my problem, I can select vocolizer in the code factory menu, but when
>>> going to synthesizer and selecting vocalizer is how I get into that
>>> nice endless error circle, so there is definitely still work that
>>> needs done on these voices.  I'd be demanding my money back with no
>>> doubt if I'd had this experience after paying for these things.  The
>>> seven day trial is nice, but it isn't of any use to me, because
>>> nothing here is working, so I'm just going to write it all off as a
>>> bad idea and go back to being content with my espeak ivan 3 voice.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>




Re: vocalizer voices (got it partly figured out)

Gene
 

Just don't answer questions that have been repeatedly asked. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] vocalizer voices (got it partly figured out)

We listers said this about 10000000000000000000000000000000 times
already and I'm tired of repeating myself also. Use! the! supplyed!
SSAPI 5! voices! or the one core! Sheesh!


On 9/22/2017 10:47 PM, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo wrote:
> if we cant stand e speak how do we get a free NVDA voice
>
> On 9/22/17, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
>> I can't stand ESpeak either Travis, but I know the page you are talking
>> about. Yes poorly designed.
>>
>>
>> On 9/19/2017 3:49 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
>>> I have to say, the web page where the nvda plugin is up for download
>>> is terrible.  According to the site (and I quote).
>>>
>>> Once the Add-on is installed along with NVDA, you can select either
>>> Code Factory Eloquence or Code Factory Vocalizer in the NVDA
>>> Synthesizer dialog and then select the preferred language in the NVDA
>>> Voice dialog.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, only this doesn't work for vocalizer voices.  It works just fine
>>> for eloquence voice (which btw, I can't stand), but apparently, for
>>> vocalizer voices, you need to go to another page (not linked to
>>> anywhere on the NVDA plugins page), and download the voices you want
>>> to use.  This is pretty poor page design, especially since there is no
>>> mention anywhere on the page that voices need to be downloaded.
>>>
>>> But, just for reference, downloading the voices I wanted didn't change
>>> my circle of errors, I'm still getting the thanks for using, and
>>> telling me that pressing ok will start the install process, (which btw
>>> doesn't).  Installing the samantha voice separately also doesn't solve
>>> my problem, I can select vocolizer in the code factory menu, but when
>>> going to synthesizer and selecting vocalizer is how I get into that
>>> nice endless error circle, so there is definitely still work that
>>> needs done on these voices.  I'd be demanding my money back with no
>>> doubt if I'd had this experience after paying for these things.  The
>>> seven day trial is nice, but it isn't of any use to me, because
>>> nothing here is working, so I'm just going to write it all off as a
>>> bad idea and go back to being content with my espeak ivan 3 voice.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>




Re: usenet?

Carlos
 

Hello All:

    Wow! Are we all remembering the good old days when FIDONet was ruling the BBS world!

On 9/23/2017 6:37 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Usenet has groups (just like some web sites) where illegal stuff shows up, but it's more useful for it's thousands of groups covering every topic imaginable, where you can get information and talk about just about anything.  I used to use it a lot in the early 90s when I was in college for talking about favorite artists, and to enjoy cyberpunk stories generally written by the participants of the group, it was pretty cool.  Fan fiction sites fill that gap these days, but it was cool to have the message scome to you, which is what I liked the most about usenet.

They have programming groups too, you can learn just about any language, ask questions, get help with source code, and more.  Of course, overflow.com and other sites cover that these days too, but it was a nice place to talk about topics that must folks didn't cara about (such as mudding alt.muds), and plenty more.  I used to use it all the time.  Never used it for finding pay content, but a lot of folks did, and probably still do.  I like it more for the access to information and stories myself.


On 9/23/2017 5:36 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
Usenet was one of the primary ways that people use to share underground content such as mp3 music, movies, and audiobooks. That is what I used it for anyway. Nowadays, it's cheaper and easier to buy what you want, and the quality and selection are better.


On September 23, 2017 5:19:03 PM "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:

What does buying things have to do with usenet?

Antony

On Saturday 23 September 2017 at 23:14:02, erik burggraaf wrote:

I used easynews myself when I cared about such things. Nowadays I just buy
what I want. Even though I don't have a lot of money, it's easier, and the
quality is better.


--
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Re: usenet?

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Usenet has groups (just like some web sites) where illegal stuff shows up, but it's more useful for it's thousands of groups covering every topic imaginable, where you can get information and talk about just about anything.  I used to use it a lot in the early 90s when I was in college for talking about favorite artists, and to enjoy cyberpunk stories generally written by the participants of the group, it was pretty cool.  Fan fiction sites fill that gap these days, but it was cool to have the message scome to you, which is what I liked the most about usenet.

They have programming groups too, you can learn just about any language, ask questions, get help with source code, and more.  Of course, overflow.com and other sites cover that these days too, but it was a nice place to talk about topics that must folks didn't cara about (such as mudding alt.muds), and plenty more.  I used to use it all the time.  Never used it for finding pay content, but a lot of folks did, and probably still do.  I like it more for the access to information and stories myself.

On 9/23/2017 5:36 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
Usenet was one of the primary ways that people use to share underground content such as mp3 music, movies, and audiobooks. That is what I used it for anyway. Nowadays, it's cheaper and easier to buy what you want, and the quality and selection are better.


On September 23, 2017 5:19:03 PM "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:

What does buying things have to do with usenet?

Antony

On Saturday 23 September 2017 at 23:14:02, erik burggraaf wrote:

I used easynews myself when I cared about such things. Nowadays I just buy
what I want. Even though I don't have a lot of money, it's easier, and the
quality is better.


Re: using facebook

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Usenet is the www before the www existed.  Well, it was more of a cross between groups.io and the www.  You could literally find anything on usenet, but it's more or less a large (and I mena large) collection of discussion groups to which anyone can participate in and contribute to.  Unfortunately, these days, most isps don't provide usenet access, so you're kind of out of luck when it comes to accessing these groups.  As far as I know, there are still a few providers that will privide access for a fee, which is truly a shame, because it used to be provided with each and every internet access account, and it was a great resource, of course, it was also a huge spam trap, and still is, but it's still loaded with useful information.

On 9/23/2017 8:09 PM, Pauline Smith wrote:
Good Evening,

What is UseNet?  I hope I typed that right.  What kinds of stuff is found on this site?

Pauline


On 9/23/2017 4:03 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think any social media platform for us has issues as we are coming in late and do not know how to restrict the crud and all the clever stuff so we only see what we want to see and also of course only allow others to see what we want them to see as well. So many blind friends have had their fingers burned on these sites by bullying or indeed by off the cuff comments that have been seen by important folk like employers or family and friends.
There are dangers out there.
I was never brought up with this concept, but a lot of the younger nvda users here have always known this stuff. I use Usenet, and always have done. We all know that is open and public but when it comes to Facebook, and to a lesser extent, Twitter, its unfortunately alot easier for folk to find you.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] using facebook


Well I made a decision that I wouldn't tweat much, I mean my life revovles around a pc but still I refuse to spend it reading tweats even though I do read a few.




On 23/09/2017 7:37 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think social media is a time management issue. I find better things to do with my time than to wrestle with facebook. That is all. I'm not going to say I'll never use it, but for what use I could make of it a huge learning curve appears to be needed by any user without sight.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@softcon.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] using facebook


It's extremely easy to navigate, but the facebook mobile page doesn't have everything the main facebook page has, or sometimes it does, but it's burried somewhere, and good luck finding it. It's nearly impossible to do everything I want to do when using the mobile version of the page, so I gave it up for useless years ago. Admittedly, the regular page is a hassle, and sometimes it's slow as all get out, but it works, and in the long run that's all that matters.

Of course, I use face book as little as possible, so your mileage may vary.


On 9/22/2017 3:47 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
Brian their is nothing wrong with teh Facebook Mobile site. It has HTML headings etc. Its easy to navigate.


On 9/19/2017 7:26 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I gave up even trying to understand it, Even on the mobile site.
Is there a blind friendly client for any of the so called social media sites that are easy to use?
I don't want them to rule my life, but of late so much information I'm expected to know about is on Twitter or Facebook its beginning to look like I'll have to bite the bullet again. Maybe I can employ a young person to do it for me!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 11:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] using facebook


hi,

How do you guys use facebook with nvda? In particular, searching group posts and viewing the results, but most actions seem laggy. Also, nvda randomly jumps around on the page.




















Re: Weather Plus 4.5 21.09.2017 update available

mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
 

I need the weather pluss please

On 9/22/17, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io
<adrianobarb=yahoo.it@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Angelo,

Doesn't look like an error caused by Weather Plus.
Maybe there is something wrong in your nvda.
I need a log complete.
Thanks.

Cheers
Adriano

----- Original Message -----
From: Ângelo Abrantes
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weather Plus 4.5 21.09.2017 update available


Impossible to install:

Speaking [u'weather_plus4.5.nvda-addon 557 de 572']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (22:51:35.813):
Input: kb(desktop):enter
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (22:51:35.953):
C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\library.zip\gui\addonGui.py:20:
DeprecationWarning: object() takes no parameters
ERROR - unhandled exception (22:51:35.973):
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 16766, in <lambda>
File "gui\addonGui.pyc", line 312, in handleRemoteAddonInstall
File "gui\addonGui.pyc", line 92, in __init__
File "gui\addonGui.pyc", line 219, in refreshAddonsList
File "configobj.pyc", line 583, in __getitem__
KeyError: 'version'





Às 21:28 de 21-09-2017, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io escreveu:

Hi to every one,

Changes in this version:
* Correct location and documentation in Serbian.
* Correct the German localization.
#Changes in the Weather Plus Settings window:
* Added new checkbox;
You can enable the comma as the decimal separator, otherwise the
separator
will be the point.
And so are all happy. :)
Weather Plus can update alone, however, it is possible to download
manually from the following links:
http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus4.5.nvda-addon
or from page:
http://www.nvda.it/weather-plus/
or from page:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/weatherPlus.en.html

Cheers
Adriano




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