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Re: NVDA features

Quentin Christensen
 

HI,

Following on from what others have said, while NVDA itself only does speech and / or braille output, it does work with the Windows magnifier which is built into Windows 7.  Press WINDOWS+PLUS to start or increase magnification, WINDOWS+MINUS to decrease magnification, CONTROL+ALT+i to toggle invert colours and WINDOWS+ESCAPE to exit magnifier.

NVDA can be run in Aero or classic modes of Windows, although if you are using Windows Magnifier, you will need to be in Aero to get full screen. 

Another magnification option is Glass Brick: http://www.glassbrick.org/ it is built over the Windows magnifier but offers a lot more features and customisation.

For the mouse pointer, I developed some extra large ones a couple of years ago you might find useful: http://22point.com.au/cursors.html

One more thing as a low vision user you might find useful with NVDA, is the "Focus Highlight" addon.  It draws a box around whatever control or item has focus.  See: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/focusHighlight.en.html

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 8:10 AM, <ingez@...> wrote:

I am looking into using the software but have couple of questions :

 

          - Does it support full screen magnification ?

 

 

         - Can I change size of the mouse pointer ?

 

          - Do I have to use Aero theme (under Win 7) or can I continue using Basic ?  If I can use Basic theme will I lose all customizations (fonts, colors, etc) ?




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Re: Introducing myself

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Sky,

A belated welcome to the group.  It's been a busy week, normally I'm in here more frequently.  Glad you are enjoying NVDA!

Quentin.

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:34 AM, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

Hello list. My name is Sky, and I am new to the list. I am a 26-years old man from Victoria, British Columbia, Canada. I have used NVDA off and on since 2007, and I absolutely love this screen reader. I work as an adaptive technology specialist with an organisation in Victoria called Pacific training Centre for the blind. I am also a blind musician/recording engineer as well.  Anyways, I am looking forward to participating in the NVDA user community, and I want to say a big thanks to Mike and Jamie for helping make accessibility free for all.  You guys rock!

 

 

 

 

Thanks, Sky.




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Re: [WebAIM] New WebAIM Screen Reader User Survey

matthew dyer
 

Just took it.  Tanks for the link.  BTW I put ink the comment fikeld that orca/linux should be included in th list of screenreader as it was not list, but if you use it just cause other.

Matthew


On Sep 29, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Mário Navarro <mario.gnv@...> wrote:

       



Hi.
 I've done my part. and all of you have a duty to do your part.
Yes it's really easy and 100% accessible
We have to take these few opportunities they give us to facilitate our lives ...
If we don't, then it's no use complaining for no reason ...
help to be helped ...
cheers.


Às 20:19 de 29/09/2017, Brandon Keith Biggs escreveu:
Hello,
Here is the link to one of the more important screen reader surveys. When people refference screen reader usage and tendencies, they often use the results of this survey.
Please fill this out, it really helps developers.
The questions are really easy and relevant.
Thank you,


---------- Forwarded message ----------
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Date: Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 7:53 AM
Subject: [WebAIM] New WebAIM Screen Reader User Survey
To: WebAIM Discussion List <webaim-forum@...>


https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey7/

Please share this URL to any and all screen reader users.

Thanks,

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Re: [WebAIM] New WebAIM Screen Reader User Survey

Mário Navarro
 

       



Hi.
 I've done my part. and all of you have a duty to do your part.
Yes it's really easy and 100% accessible
We have to take these few opportunities they give us to facilitate our lives ...
If we don't, then it's no use complaining for no reason ...
help to be helped ...
cheers.


Às 20:19 de 29/09/2017, Brandon Keith Biggs escreveu:

Hello,
Here is the link to one of the more important screen reader surveys. When people refference screen reader usage and tendencies, they often use the results of this survey.
Please fill this out, it really helps developers.
The questions are really easy and relevant.
Thank you,


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jared Smith <jared@...>
Date: Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 7:53 AM
Subject: [WebAIM] New WebAIM Screen Reader User Survey
To: WebAIM Discussion List <webaim-forum@...>


https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey7/

Please share this URL to any and all screen reader users.

Thanks,

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Re: Necessary training to write a screen reader?

Walker, Michael E
 

Hi,

 

Thank you for pointing out the subgroup. I am still learning how groups.io works. I see the Subgroups link on this group’s homepage, as well as the developer group.

 

Best regards,

Mike

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 3:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Necessary training to write a screen reader?

 

Hi,

At some point we should move this discussion to a more appropriate location, but…

A screen reader is just any other program: filled with variables, loops, conditionals, classes and objects, libraries, API calls and what not. But when it comes to screen readers, some knowledge of accessibility API’s helps, as well as willingness to listen to customers and be part of the community.

If you want, I recommend that you join the devlearning subgroup where I teach people how to write Python code, as well as give talks on NVDA internals for the next few months. Be warned though: the traffic you see in that subgroup isn’t for the faint of heart: in other words, one must show dedication and commitment, and in some cases, it becomes quite technical.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 1:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Necessary training to write a screen reader?

 

Hi,

 

When I read about how NVDA was born by a blind developer starting and writing it back in 2006, where do you think he would have even gotten the training to write a screen reader? I know that one would not get this from college alone. College may teach the fundamentals of Computer Science with an introduction to some specialized topics like security and cryptography, image processing, networking, and multimedia, but writing a screen reader has to be a highly complex undertaking. I am not looking to write one, but am intrigued by NVDA’s history.

 

Thanks,

Mike


Re: Where are the recordings?

Sarah k Alawami
 

Can you copy the address to  firefox and just dl it that way?

Good luck.

Also maybe use wget or curl to grab the file?

On Sep 29, 2017, at 12:33 PM, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:

Thunderbird is blocking this.  Now I'm getting a message that the link in the message is a scam and impersonating a site I want to visit so it has deactivated it.  At least now I know what's stopping it but don't know how to get around it.

Roger










On 9/29/2017 1:50 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Replace %20 by space.

Rui



De: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@...>
Para: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Where are the recordings?
Data: 29 de setembro de 2017 15:49

I just tried this and the link appears to be totally dead!!  By this, I mean it doesn't even try to open a browser at all let alone give me a page not found error or anything--it just says visited after I choose it but then just sits there.  What's wrong?

Roger









On 9/28/2017 7:03 PM, dingpengyu06@... wrote:
All of you are good, this is the last week of the activities of the recording, the following is the download address: because there is no reason to deal with, so the volume will be relatively large, so a lot of inclusive. Http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community% <http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community%> 20activities.7z










Re: Necessary training to write a screen reader?

 

Hi,

At some point we should move this discussion to a more appropriate location, but…

A screen reader is just any other program: filled with variables, loops, conditionals, classes and objects, libraries, API calls and what not. But when it comes to screen readers, some knowledge of accessibility API’s helps, as well as willingness to listen to customers and be part of the community.

If you want, I recommend that you join the devlearning subgroup where I teach people how to write Python code, as well as give talks on NVDA internals for the next few months. Be warned though: the traffic you see in that subgroup isn’t for the faint of heart: in other words, one must show dedication and commitment, and in some cases, it becomes quite technical.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 1:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Necessary training to write a screen reader?

 

Hi,

 

When I read about how NVDA was born by a blind developer starting and writing it back in 2006, where do you think he would have even gotten the training to write a screen reader? I know that one would not get this from college alone. College may teach the fundamentals of Computer Science with an introduction to some specialized topics like security and cryptography, image processing, networking, and multimedia, but writing a screen reader has to be a highly complex undertaking. I am not looking to write one, but am intrigued by NVDA’s history.

 

Thanks,

Mike


Necessary training to write a screen reader?

Walker, Michael E
 

Hi,

 

When I read about how NVDA was born by a blind developer starting and writing it back in 2006, where do you think he would have even gotten the training to write a screen reader? I know that one would not get this from college alone. College may teach the fundamentals of Computer Science with an introduction to some specialized topics like security and cryptography, image processing, networking, and multimedia, but writing a screen reader has to be a highly complex undertaking. I am not looking to write one, but am intrigued by NVDA’s history.

 

Thanks,

Mike


Re: Where are the recordings?

Roger Stewart
 

I just tried copying the link into Firefox and then deleted both the %20 and replaced them with a space. Result: 404 Page not found.

Roger

On 9/29/2017 1:50 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Replace %20 by space.

Rui



De: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
Para: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Where are the recordings?
Data: 29 de setembro de 2017 15:49

I just tried this and the link appears to be totally dead!! By this, I mean it doesn't even try to open a browser at all let alone give me a page not found error or anything--it just says visited after I choose it but then just sits there. What's wrong?

Roger









On 9/28/2017 7:03 PM, dingpengyu06@gmail.com wrote:
All of you are good, this is the last week of the activities of the recording, the following is the download address: because there is no reason to deal with, so the volume will be relatively large, so a lot of inclusive. Http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community% <http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community%> 20activities.7z




Re: Where are the recordings?

Roger Stewart
 

Thunderbird is blocking this. Now I'm getting a message that the link in the message is a scam and impersonating a site I want to visit so it has deactivated it. At least now I know what's stopping it but don't know how to get around it.

Roger

On 9/29/2017 1:50 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Replace %20 by space.

Rui



De: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
Para: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Where are the recordings?
Data: 29 de setembro de 2017 15:49

I just tried this and the link appears to be totally dead!! By this, I mean it doesn't even try to open a browser at all let alone give me a page not found error or anything--it just says visited after I choose it but then just sits there. What's wrong?

Roger









On 9/28/2017 7:03 PM, dingpengyu06@gmail.com wrote:
All of you are good, this is the last week of the activities of the recording, the following is the download address: because there is no reason to deal with, so the volume will be relatively large, so a lot of inclusive. Http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community% <http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community%> 20activities.7z




[WebAIM] New WebAIM Screen Reader User Survey

 

Hello,
Here is the link to one of the more important screen reader surveys. When people refference screen reader usage and tendencies, they often use the results of this survey.
Please fill this out, it really helps developers.
The questions are really easy and relevant.
Thank you,


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jared Smith <jared@...>
Date: Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 7:53 AM
Subject: [WebAIM] New WebAIM Screen Reader User Survey
To: WebAIM Discussion List <webaim-forum@...>


https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey7/

Please share this URL to any and all screen reader users.

Thanks,

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Re: Where are the recordings?

Rui Fontes
 

Replace %20 by space.

Rui



De: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
Para: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Where are the recordings?
Data: 29 de setembro de 2017 15:49

I just tried this and the link appears to be totally dead!! By this, I mean it doesn't even try to open a browser at all let alone give me a page not found error or anything--it just says visited after I choose it but then just sits there. What's wrong?

Roger

On 9/28/2017 7:03 PM, dingpengyu06@gmail.com wrote:
All of you are good, this is the last week of the activities of the recording, the following is the download address: because there is no reason to deal with, so the volume will be relatively large, so a lot of inclusive. Http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community% <http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community%> 20activities.7z


question

anthony borg
 

Hi list

I have a dell laptop model inspiration 15-3537.

I wonder if someone can tell me what hot keys should use to enable or disable the touchpad from the keyboard.

Thanks in advance

Anthony


Re: migrating Windows installation

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Sorry but none of this is true when ghoasting a drive. :) I do it all the time. Win 7 doesnt support NVME SSD's so I had to install to a SATA drive then migrate to the Samsung 950 Pro NVME SSD. after installing the drivers for NVME support. With Samsung migration for example you just select the current OS drive then select the target drive then click start. After awile it will finish then you just disconnect the Original OS drive turn on the computer and you cant tell anything was ever done too it. It is an exact copy of the original drive with all programs and settings.
Not sure why you have had all the issues you have but it was probly the software you used or perhaps user error. :) :)

On 9/29/2017 2:14 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
It depends if you are wanting programs or programs and settings.

I have all my programs backed up however.

Its probably better that you just reformat and reinstall.

Sometimes programs like flashfxp can have backup settings some games etc I have backups of my profiles and such and then I dropbox all those.

I keep coppies of my bt sync file data, etc, etc, etc.

You can find and backup your mail boxes though if you do that you need to import those back in.

If you have imap ofcause and its all setup it becomes redundant quite fast as as soon as you login every setting and bit of whatever is pulled from your cloud node so its fine.

You can clone your hard drive as long as the following conditions are met.

1.  a full partition clone would you have a drive the same partition as your other drive you could clone it all back that way.

2.  just the data.

The most important directories are your program data and your user/userprofile folder.

So you can copy those over and just do that.

You can install all your programs and copy those over.

Or just clone all your hard drive data.

Assuming though that you do do this and it all works without the following listed issues, there will be a problem.

1.  if you cloan from your instalation, say c to e and then boot from the installation and your e drive at that point is not your c drive then you will have issues.

Even if things start you are going to have stuff install and so on all over the place.

You can ofcause configure everything to install on e and not c but change it back when you finish fixing things.

Then there is the state where your drive is bigger than what you have, and you just get a partition for your data which is the same as your older drive meaning you need to use diskmanager to expand the partition.

Ok so thats fine.

You may have to change some paths etc in registry to get things working and then previding things don't fail you should be good.

As long as you are installing on the same hardware.

However updates and clones don't work all that well.

Your user profile is pritty cool, its robust and will happily work for you unless you either get malware or try to move it.

You may loose sounds and what not.

If that happens you just make another user profile, delete the other one copy your old files over and well you are in business.

your programs like dropbox, google and a few other things will need reinstalling and configuring.

Sadly updates don't always go smoothly.

I had just an issue where after the google drive and photos apps got merged into sync, that after the upgrade things didn't work so well and I had to fiddle about.

It is probably easier to reformat and get it over with.




On 29/09/2017 8:20 p.m., Justin Harris wrote:
I was finally able to find an accessible tool to get that partition made. It's late, and I had to try several before I found one that worked.

My Kingston SSD came with no such special software, but I got a reply back from the fine folks at Station Playlist, as I had asked to get my license keys again just to be on the safe side. In addition to that, they were able to recommend some free software to do exactly what I want. So here goes nothin. lol


El 9/29/2017 a las 1:53 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escribió:
I'd suggest you maybe contact somebody else who runs a station or similar.

Seems to me that many  ssds seem to come with bespoke software, mine is Samsung, that can take the drudgery out of this task.
It might in fact be best to just give in and get a sighted person to do it.
One word of warning though, the last time I did this with normal hard drives was some time ago, and in the end I had to reinstall all software as there was no easy way to  get all the installed programs and their links onto a completely different physical drive. Also Windows and some other software all started popping up, that they had been cloned and you would need to reactivate them on various web sites etc.

If I had knowsn about all that I'd just have made a clean install to start with, but then I was not running a radio station.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Harris" <justin171185@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 1:55 AM
Subject: [nvda] migrating Windows installation


Hi everyone,
I am hoping that someone else has actually done this before, because I am totally stuck. I just got a new solid state drive, and wish to migrate my windows installation and programs to that, while keeping music and such on my old drive. The ssd is only 120 gb, so I believe this is how I will have to go about everything.
So, here goes:
1. The new drive is not accessible through Windows Explorer, but I am able to find it in the disk management in control panel. However, I am unable to make a partition. It shows the unalocated space, as being the whole thing. But when I go in to the applications menu, it won't let me do anything. A lot of the options are dimmed. I've tried doing things with object navigation and everything, and just can't do it. So, first off, what's the best way to be able to partition this drive? All I need is one partition, but no matter how hard I try, I have yet to be able to figure it out.
2. Once the disk has been partitioned, what is the best, and most accessible program to migrate my Windows installation??? I know I could probably do a fresh install, but the idea is to have everything back up and running quickly, as I run an online radio station, and down time is not a good thing at all.
I really hope that someone can give me a hand here. Thanks in advance for the info. :)







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Re: Plugins

Walker, Michael E
 

Hi, I have a Python background, although it has been a couple years since I have used it. Learning frameworks and reading code from open source projects is the part I tend to find the most challenging. From what I gathered from your last email though, it sounds like the best approach for someone starting out with NVDA add-on development is to start by reading and understanding the source code of small add-ons, and using the API documentation as a reference, instead of diving right into the API, and that once one understands the code from the add-on they have studied, they can begin to tinker with it/modify it, or use what they learned from reading that add-on, to perhaps write another small add-on for practice.

 

Thanks,

Mike

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 11:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Plugins

 

Hi,

I always recommend new people to learn Python first, as it teaches folks what to do and how to solve basic problems.

In terms of scale of add-ons, Remote Support is arguably one of the most impactful add-ons out there. The big picture is quite simple to understand, but the code is a bit complicated because it hooks deeply into NVDA. There is a possibility that this could be simplified in the future.

My own add-on collection shows varying skill, complexity and impact. Perhaps the most powerful add-on I have is Windows 10 App Essentials due to its impact - I’d say that this simple add-on has fundamentally changed how people view NVDA’s compatibility with Windows 10. But that add-on does not compare to StationPlaylist Studio add-on, which is perhaps one of the most complex add-ons in existence (besides DictationBridge).

One thing to keep in mind: do not think about creating the most complex add-on, especially when you are just starting out on this journey. The most powerful add-ons are ones that had huge impact on the community to a point where it changed how people view and think about NVDA (and in some cases, teach NVDA). Even small add-ons (such as ClipSpeak) is impactful.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Plugins

 

Thank you for the information.

 

Where do most people start, when learning to write add-ons? What I noticed from reading the documentation you hosted is that there are a lot of modules and classes where some have English descriptions of what the methods do and variables mean, but for others it seems you have to dive right into the code to ascertain what something does. While I have more reading to do, I also saw the code in the developer guide that shows how to write an app module for Notepad. However, how do you learn to write large-scale add-ons, such as what Tyler Spivy did with NVDA Remote? I am interested in hearing from multiple add-on developers about how they began this exciting journey.

 

Thanks,

Mike

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 9:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Plugins

 

Hi,

I’m hosting that collection on a temporary basis until NV Access publishes this on a more regular basis i.e. when stable releases are made. 2017.4 introduces several new things that’ll impact almost all add-ons.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 7:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Plugins

 

Thank you. I kept thinking I would need to pull the NVDA source from Git and go through the Python source files to get to the documentation, such as in the form of Python docstrings and comments. I knew there had to be a better way though. Someone should post that reference you just shared to the development wiki. I did not see it anywhere. I am exploring if NVDA app modules and global plugins are something I would enjoy writing.

 

Thanks,

Mike

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 9:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Plugins

 

Hi,

Usually it refers to source code and the documentation that gets generated from it. I keep a copy of it on my website at:

http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvdadocs/dev/

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 7:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Plugins

 

Hi, when I see verbiage in the NVDA developer guide such as, “Developers should consult the code documentation for a complete reference,” what exactly does that mean? In this context, I do not see a link to code documentation, or a reference. I tried to subscribe to the developer mailing list on SourceForge to post this question, but did not get a confirmation email, even though I believe that would be the more appropriate place for this question. Has the list moved?

 

Thanks,

Mike


Re: Plugins

 

Hi,

I always recommend new people to learn Python first, as it teaches folks what to do and how to solve basic problems.

In terms of scale of add-ons, Remote Support is arguably one of the most impactful add-ons out there. The big picture is quite simple to understand, but the code is a bit complicated because it hooks deeply into NVDA. There is a possibility that this could be simplified in the future.

My own add-on collection shows varying skill, complexity and impact. Perhaps the most powerful add-on I have is Windows 10 App Essentials due to its impact - I’d say that this simple add-on has fundamentally changed how people view NVDA’s compatibility with Windows 10. But that add-on does not compare to StationPlaylist Studio add-on, which is perhaps one of the most complex add-ons in existence (besides DictationBridge).

One thing to keep in mind: do not think about creating the most complex add-on, especially when you are just starting out on this journey. The most powerful add-ons are ones that had huge impact on the community to a point where it changed how people view and think about NVDA (and in some cases, teach NVDA). Even small add-ons (such as ClipSpeak) is impactful.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Plugins

 

Thank you for the information.

 

Where do most people start, when learning to write add-ons? What I noticed from reading the documentation you hosted is that there are a lot of modules and classes where some have English descriptions of what the methods do and variables mean, but for others it seems you have to dive right into the code to ascertain what something does. While I have more reading to do, I also saw the code in the developer guide that shows how to write an app module for Notepad. However, how do you learn to write large-scale add-ons, such as what Tyler Spivy did with NVDA Remote? I am interested in hearing from multiple add-on developers about how they began this exciting journey.

 

Thanks,

Mike

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 9:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Plugins

 

Hi,

I’m hosting that collection on a temporary basis until NV Access publishes this on a more regular basis i.e. when stable releases are made. 2017.4 introduces several new things that’ll impact almost all add-ons.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 7:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Plugins

 

Thank you. I kept thinking I would need to pull the NVDA source from Git and go through the Python source files to get to the documentation, such as in the form of Python docstrings and comments. I knew there had to be a better way though. Someone should post that reference you just shared to the development wiki. I did not see it anywhere. I am exploring if NVDA app modules and global plugins are something I would enjoy writing.

 

Thanks,

Mike

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 9:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Plugins

 

Hi,

Usually it refers to source code and the documentation that gets generated from it. I keep a copy of it on my website at:

http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvdadocs/dev/

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 7:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Plugins

 

Hi, when I see verbiage in the NVDA developer guide such as, “Developers should consult the code documentation for a complete reference,” what exactly does that mean? In this context, I do not see a link to code documentation, or a reference. I tried to subscribe to the developer mailing list on SourceForge to post this question, but did not get a confirmation email, even though I believe that would be the more appropriate place for this question. Has the list moved?

 

Thanks,

Mike


Re: migrating Windows installation

 

what software?

On 9/29/2017 12:20 AM, Justin Harris wrote:
I was finally able to find an accessible tool to get that partition made. It's late, and I had to try several before I found one that worked.

My Kingston SSD came with no such special software, but I got a reply back from the fine folks at Station Playlist, as I had asked to get my license keys again just to be on the safe side. In addition to that, they were able to recommend some free software to do exactly what I want. So here goes nothin. lol


El 9/29/2017 a las 1:53 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escribió:
I'd suggest you maybe contact somebody else who runs a station or similar.

Seems to me that many  ssds seem to come with bespoke software, mine is Samsung, that can take the drudgery out of this task.
It might in fact be best to just give in and get a sighted person to do it.
One word of warning though, the last time I did this with normal hard drives was some time ago, and in the end I had to reinstall all software as there was no easy way to  get all the installed programs and their links onto a completely different physical drive. Also Windows and some other software all started popping up, that they had been cloned and you would need to reactivate them on various web sites etc.

If I had knowsn about all that I'd just have made a clean install to start with, but then I was not running a radio station.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Harris" <justin171185@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 1:55 AM
Subject: [nvda] migrating Windows installation


Hi everyone,
I am hoping that someone else has actually done this before, because I am totally stuck. I just got a new solid state drive, and wish to migrate my windows installation and programs to that, while keeping music and such on my old drive. The ssd is only 120 gb, so I believe this is how I will have to go about everything.
So, here goes:
1. The new drive is not accessible through Windows Explorer, but I am able to find it in the disk management in control panel. However, I am unable to make a partition. It shows the unalocated space, as being the whole thing. But when I go in to the applications menu, it won't let me do anything. A lot of the options are dimmed. I've tried doing things with object navigation and everything, and just can't do it. So, first off, what's the best way to be able to partition this drive? All I need is one partition, but no matter how hard I try, I have yet to be able to figure it out.
2. Once the disk has been partitioned, what is the best, and most accessible program to migrate my Windows installation??? I know I could probably do a fresh install, but the idea is to have everything back up and running quickly, as I run an online radio station, and down time is not a good thing at all.
I really hope that someone can give me a hand here. Thanks in advance for the info. :)






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Re: Plugins

Walker, Michael E
 

Thank you for the information.

 

Where do most people start, when learning to write add-ons? What I noticed from reading the documentation you hosted is that there are a lot of modules and classes where some have English descriptions of what the methods do and variables mean, but for others it seems you have to dive right into the code to ascertain what something does. While I have more reading to do, I also saw the code in the developer guide that shows how to write an app module for Notepad. However, how do you learn to write large-scale add-ons, such as what Tyler Spivy did with NVDA Remote? I am interested in hearing from multiple add-on developers about how they began this exciting journey.

 

Thanks,

Mike

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 9:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Plugins

 

Hi,

I’m hosting that collection on a temporary basis until NV Access publishes this on a more regular basis i.e. when stable releases are made. 2017.4 introduces several new things that’ll impact almost all add-ons.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 7:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Plugins

 

Thank you. I kept thinking I would need to pull the NVDA source from Git and go through the Python source files to get to the documentation, such as in the form of Python docstrings and comments. I knew there had to be a better way though. Someone should post that reference you just shared to the development wiki. I did not see it anywhere. I am exploring if NVDA app modules and global plugins are something I would enjoy writing.

 

Thanks,

Mike

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 9:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Plugins

 

Hi,

Usually it refers to source code and the documentation that gets generated from it. I keep a copy of it on my website at:

http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvdadocs/dev/

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 7:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Plugins

 

Hi, when I see verbiage in the NVDA developer guide such as, “Developers should consult the code documentation for a complete reference,” what exactly does that mean? In this context, I do not see a link to code documentation, or a reference. I tried to subscribe to the developer mailing list on SourceForge to post this question, but did not get a confirmation email, even though I believe that would be the more appropriate place for this question. Has the list moved?

 

Thanks,

Mike


Re: Where are the recordings?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Not there clearly.
It looks like something weird has occurred here with some characters not interpretted correctly on this post.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Where are the recordings?


http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community% ( http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community% ) 20activities.7z


Re: migrating Windows installation

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes in the old days and on a simple system it worked, but nowadays with clone protection in the software and all sorts of other nonsense the best plan is to first go in to all software settings and meticulously note what you changed from default and store those text files on a removable stick. then bite the bullet back upa and do your reinstall and all the stuff, then configure any programs you need to.
My feeling is that with the cheapness of hardware these days, simply get another bare bones machine and keep the old one just in case.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] migrating Windows installation


It depends if you are wanting programs or programs and settings.

I have all my programs backed up however.

Its probably better that you just reformat and reinstall.

Sometimes programs like flashfxp can have backup settings some games etc I have backups of my profiles and such and then I dropbox all those.

I keep coppies of my bt sync file data, etc, etc, etc.

You can find and backup your mail boxes though if you do that you need to import those back in.

If you have imap ofcause and its all setup it becomes redundant quite fast as as soon as you login every setting and bit of whatever is pulled from your cloud node so its fine.

You can clone your hard drive as long as the following conditions are met.

1. a full partition clone would you have a drive the same partition as your other drive you could clone it all back that way.

2. just the data.

The most important directories are your program data and your user/userprofile folder.

So you can copy those over and just do that.

You can install all your programs and copy those over.

Or just clone all your hard drive data.

Assuming though that you do do this and it all works without the following listed issues, there will be a problem.

1. if you cloan from your instalation, say c to e and then boot from the installation and your e drive at that point is not your c drive then you will have issues.

Even if things start you are going to have stuff install and so on all over the place.

You can ofcause configure everything to install on e and not c but change it back when you finish fixing things.

Then there is the state where your drive is bigger than what you have, and you just get a partition for your data which is the same as your older drive meaning you need to use diskmanager to expand the partition.

Ok so thats fine.

You may have to change some paths etc in registry to get things working and then previding things don't fail you should be good.

As long as you are installing on the same hardware.

However updates and clones don't work all that well.

Your user profile is pritty cool, its robust and will happily work for you unless you either get malware or try to move it.

You may loose sounds and what not.

If that happens you just make another user profile, delete the other one copy your old files over and well you are in business.

your programs like dropbox, google and a few other things will need reinstalling and configuring.

Sadly updates don't always go smoothly.

I had just an issue where after the google drive and photos apps got merged into sync, that after the upgrade things didn't work so well and I had to fiddle about.

It is probably easier to reformat and get it over with.




On 29/09/2017 8:20 p.m., Justin Harris wrote:
I was finally able to find an accessible tool to get that partition made. It's late, and I had to try several before I found one that worked.

My Kingston SSD came with no such special software, but I got a reply back from the fine folks at Station Playlist, as I had asked to get my license keys again just to be on the safe side. In addition to that, they were able to recommend some free software to do exactly what I want. So here goes nothin. lol


El 9/29/2017 a las 1:53 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escribió:
I'd suggest you maybe contact somebody else who runs a station or similar.

Seems to me that many ssds seem to come with bespoke software, mine is Samsung, that can take the drudgery out of this task.
It might in fact be best to just give in and get a sighted person to do it.
One word of warning though, the last time I did this with normal hard drives was some time ago, and in the end I had to reinstall all software as there was no easy way to get all the installed programs and their links onto a completely different physical drive. Also Windows and some other software all started popping up, that they had been cloned and you would need to reactivate them on various web sites etc.

If I had knowsn about all that I'd just have made a clean install to start with, but then I was not running a radio station.

Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Harris" <justin171185@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 1:55 AM
Subject: [nvda] migrating Windows installation


Hi everyone,
I am hoping that someone else has actually done this before, because I am totally stuck. I just got a new solid state drive, and wish to migrate my windows installation and programs to that, while keeping music and such on my old drive. The ssd is only 120 gb, so I believe this is how I will have to go about everything.
So, here goes:
1. The new drive is not accessible through Windows Explorer, but I am able to find it in the disk management in control panel. However, I am unable to make a partition. It shows the unalocated space, as being the whole thing. But when I go in to the applications menu, it won't let me do anything. A lot of the options are dimmed. I've tried doing things with object navigation and everything, and just can't do it. So, first off, what's the best way to be able to partition this drive? All I need is one partition, but no matter how hard I try, I have yet to be able to figure it out.
2. Once the disk has been partitioned, what is the best, and most accessible program to migrate my Windows installation??? I know I could probably do a fresh install, but the idea is to have everything back up and running quickly, as I run an online radio station, and down time is not a good thing at all.
I really hope that someone can give me a hand here. Thanks in advance for the info. :)






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