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Re: Necessary training to write a screen reader?

Didier Colle
 

Dear Mike,


In this article http://tvraman.github.io/emacspeak/manual/Emacspeak-At-Twenty.html#Emacspeak-At-Twenty you might read a similar story for emacspeak (thus not NVDA).


It appears that he had the very kernel of emacspeak running in only 4 hours.

As mentioned by someone else a screen reader is just another program, that you should be able to develop with the concepts you learn in a cs education.

Diving into accessibility and other APIs is the starting point, then you start with a very small core of the thing that can do basic stuff and from there on you grow it further to a real product (which takes manyfolds of the effort and time that goes in the very basic core of your product).


Kind regards,


Didier


On 29/09/2017 22:29, Walker, Michael E wrote:

Hi,

 

When I read about how NVDA was born by a blind developer starting and writing it back in 2006, where do you think he would have even gotten the training to write a screen reader? I know that one would not get this from college alone. College may teach the fundamentals of Computer Science with an introduction to some specialized topics like security and cryptography, image processing, networking, and multimedia, but writing a screen reader has to be a highly complex undertaking. I am not looking to write one, but am intrigued by NVDA’s history.

 

Thanks,

Mike
Re: Where are the recordings?

Roger Stewart
 

Ok, I'm getting it now! Thanks for the correct address. You are right--it is a very very slow server--must be on dial up on their end but at least I should have it in a couple hours.

Roger

On 9/30/2017 4:06 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
Spaces are perfectly valid in web addresses.

The problem with them is that most email clients and similar applications
can't tell whether the space and the next word are still part of the address,
or if the address has finished and the next word is just a word, so therefore
spaces are often converted to %20 so that the entire address string is
continuous.

Typing an address, complete with spaces, into a web browser, however, is
perfectly valid.

The fundamental problem being discussed in this thread is in fact that someone
fairly early on posted a URL which doesn't work.

http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community%20activities.7z

is the correct URL and works, although very very slowly.


Antony.

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You cannot have spaces in web addresses though, can you? I was thinking
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Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Where are the recordings?

Replace %20 by space.

Rui



De: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
Para: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Where are the recordings?
Data: 29 de setembro de 2017 15:49

I just tried this and the link appears to be totally dead!! By this, I
mean it doesn't even try to open a browser at all let alone give me a
page not found error or anything--it just says visited after I choose it
but then just sits there. What's wrong?

Roger

On 9/28/2017 7:03 PM, dingpengyu06@gmail.com wrote:
All of you are good, this is the last week of the activities of the
recording, the following is the download address: because there is no
reason to deal with, so the volume will be relatively large, so a lot of
inclusive. Http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community%
<http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community%>; 20activities.7z
Re: question

Giles Turnbull
 

I think I need to install the cardboard sheet method Brian suggests, because I cannot find any system setting or notification area icon relating to my touchpad.

I use an Asus gaming laptop and, reading posts from Asus forums it seems others have been frustrated by not being able to de-activate their touchpads.

Anybody else with an Asus laptop found a way to deactivate their touchpad? I'd love to know! :)

Cheers,

Giles
Re: WebAim Screen Reader User Survey #7: Getting The Word Out About NVDA

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Joseph,
While I agree with what you are trying to convey, I do sincerely
believe that NVDA usage shares are sometimes underrepresented due to
limited disemination of this survey within the NVDA community (which
consists of people from Asia, Africa and South America, regions less
active in the context of such surveys). While I acknowledge that my
wording of this mail may have been of a promotional nature, I would
like to reiterate that our core intent in filling surveys like
WebAim's screen reader user survey should be to provide more data
about the AT industry to interested parties so as to make it more
reflective of the actualities. Having said that, I would highly
encourage users of NVDA as well as other Desktop and mobile screen
readers to participate enthusiastically in such surveys on their own
volition.
Thanks.

On 9/30/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I would like to stress that people should show willingness to participate in
this survey. Last time, a screen reader vendor did promote this survey
heavily, which resulted in unintended side effect of skewing the resulting
data, and I do not want to see someone repeating that. Promotion is good,
but I think using this survey as a fuel for promoting NVDA isn't a good
idea; rather, it is better to promote NVDA on a continual basis, not during
big events like this.
Cheers,
Joseph

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shah
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 6:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] WebAim Screen Reader User Survey #7: Getting The Word Out
About NVDA

Dear all,
Since almost a decade, WebAim, a non-profit web accessibility consultancy
organisation, has been conducting an annual (sometimes
biennial) survey, which, as its name implies, attempts to gather statistics
about the usage share of different screen readers, technology (particularly
Internet) accessibility trends, etc. so as to aid analysts, researchers,
accessibility consultants, sighted developers, and mainstream companies to
get a quantified picture of the state of the AT industry.
While this survey features participation from varied geographies, NVDA’s
user base, at least in my personal view, has always been understated. While
8% respondents of the first December 2008 WebAim survey reported to be NVDA
users, this figure has only increased to 14% of respondents in its 2015
counterpart claiming to use NVDA as their primary screen reader and 41%
using it commonly, a usage share substantially lower than NVDA’s commercial
and more expensive screen reading alternatives.
I think it would be a great way of playing our tiny part in getting the word
out about NVDA’s viability and competency if all NVDA community members,
users, testers and other related parties, particularly from second and third
world developing regions which often remain silent for such surveys but
where free and open source NVDA makes a prominent impact, take this survey
and contribute to letting the world know about the size and standing of the
NVDA user base.
The URL of said survey is https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey7/
.
It took me about ten minutes to fill this survey and the form was extremely
accessible. Not only from an NVDA angle, but filling such surveys always
brings out useful and reflective data, which, in turn, betters AT as a
whole. Therefore, I urge everyone to take some time out for this survey so
that we can make the data truly reflective of the actualities.
Thanks.
P.S. I am in no way affiliated to WebAim nor is my intention to merely
promote this survey.

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Re: WebAim Screen Reader User Survey #7: Getting The Word Out About NVDA

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,
I would like to stress that people should show willingness to participate in this survey. Last time, a screen reader vendor did promote this survey heavily, which resulted in unintended side effect of skewing the resulting data, and I do not want to see someone repeating that. Promotion is good, but I think using this survey as a fuel for promoting NVDA isn't a good idea; rather, it is better to promote NVDA on a continual basis, not during big events like this.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 6:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] WebAim Screen Reader User Survey #7: Getting The Word Out About NVDA

Dear all,
Since almost a decade, WebAim, a non-profit web accessibility consultancy organisation, has been conducting an annual (sometimes
biennial) survey, which, as its name implies, attempts to gather statistics about the usage share of different screen readers, technology (particularly Internet) accessibility trends, etc. so as to aid analysts, researchers, accessibility consultants, sighted developers, and mainstream companies to get a quantified picture of the state of the AT industry.
While this survey features participation from varied geographies, NVDA’s user base, at least in my personal view, has always been understated. While 8% respondents of the first December 2008 WebAim survey reported to be NVDA users, this figure has only increased to 14% of respondents in its 2015 counterpart claiming to use NVDA as their primary screen reader and 41% using it commonly, a usage share substantially lower than NVDA’s commercial and more expensive screen reading alternatives.
I think it would be a great way of playing our tiny part in getting the word out about NVDA’s viability and competency if all NVDA community members, users, testers and other related parties, particularly from second and third world developing regions which often remain silent for such surveys but where free and open source NVDA makes a prominent impact, take this survey and contribute to letting the world know about the size and standing of the NVDA user base.
The URL of said survey is https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey7/ .
It took me about ten minutes to fill this survey and the form was extremely accessible. Not only from an NVDA angle, but filling such surveys always brings out useful and reflective data, which, in turn, betters AT as a whole. Therefore, I urge everyone to take some time out for this survey so that we can make the data truly reflective of the actualities.
Thanks.
P.S. I am in no way affiliated to WebAim nor is my intention to merely promote this survey.

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WebAim Screen Reader User Survey #7: Getting The Word Out About NVDA

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,
Since almost a decade, WebAim, a non-profit web accessibility
consultancy organisation, has been conducting an annual (sometimes
biennial) survey, which, as its name implies, attempts to gather
statistics about the usage share of different screen readers,
technology (particularly Internet) accessibility trends, etc. so as to
aid analysts, researchers, accessibility consultants, sighted
developers, and mainstream companies to get a quantified picture of
the state of the AT industry.
While this survey features participation from varied geographies,
NVDA’s user base, at least in my personal view, has always been
understated. While 8% respondents of the first December 2008 WebAim
survey reported to be NVDA users, this figure has only increased to
14% of respondents in its 2015 counterpart claiming to use NVDA as
their primary screen reader and 41% using it commonly, a usage share
substantially lower than NVDA’s commercial and more expensive screen
reading alternatives.
I think it would be a great way of playing our tiny part in getting
the word out about NVDA’s viability and competency if all NVDA
community members, users, testers and other related parties,
particularly from second and third world developing regions which
often remain silent for such surveys but where free and open source
NVDA makes a prominent impact, take this survey and contribute to
letting the world know about the size and standing of the NVDA user
base.
The URL of said survey is https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey7/ .
It took me about ten minutes to fill this survey and the form was
extremely accessible. Not only from an NVDA angle, but filling such
surveys always brings out useful and reflective data, which, in turn,
betters AT as a whole. Therefore, I urge everyone to take some time
out for this survey so that we can make the data truly reflective of
the actualities.
Thanks.
P.S. I am in no way affiliated to WebAim nor is my intention to merely
promote this survey.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

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Re: question

anthony borg
 

Hi brian
The problem was because I use the sticky keys, so now when I turned it off, the fn key worked.
Thanks for your help

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Subject: Re: [nvda] question

There are obviously different ways in this series of computers, presumably depending on model operating system and possibly some special editions versions now appearing as second user ex commercial use machines.
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From: "Noah Davis" <mostawesomenoah@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question


You might try pressing windows+X and going to the mobility center and
turning off the touchpad from there. That's what I did and I also have
a Dell laptop from the Inspiron line.
-Noah

On 9/29/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
I think Fn+F3, just looking at an image on the net.

On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 3:59 AM, anthony borg <anthonyborg001@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi list

I have a dell laptop model inspiration 15-3537.

I wonder if someone can tell me what hot keys should use to enable or
disable the touchpad from the keyboard.

Thanks in advance

Anthony



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Re: question

Gene
 

Look in the system tray for something like synaptics pointing device or whatever is appropriate.  Right single click it and look through the multipage dialog that opens.  I believe the settings are more likely to be there than elsewhere.
 
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Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question
 
Hi noah
I entered in to mobility center, but the word touchpad isn't there.
Thanks in advance
Anthony

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Noah Davis
Sent: 30 September 2017 02:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

You might try pressing windows+X and going to the mobility center and turning off the touchpad from there. That's what I did and I also have a Dell laptop from the Inspiron line.
-Noah

On 9/29/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> I think Fn+F3, just looking at an image on the net.
>
> On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 3:59 AM, anthony borg
> <anthonyborg001@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi list
>>
>> I have a dell laptop model inspiration 15-3537.
>>
>> I wonder if someone can tell me what hot keys should use to enable or
>> disable the touchpad from the keyboard.
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: problem nvda with hotspot shield

Mahmood HoZhabri <mahmood.hojabri@...>
 

this is an app for open blocks site in countries.
i want sign in but when i find username edit field crashed.

2017-09-30 12:44 GMT+03:30 Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...>:

I've not heard of hotspot shield what is its purpose exactly?
It could be that both programs are attempting to access something at the same time.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 8:14 AM
Subject: [nvda] problem nvda with hotspot shield


Hello, I use hotspot shield for open block sites, and I use nvda screen
reader, when I use navigation mode for sign in to my account, when NVDA
reads username edit, nvda and hss crashed and I must open nvda again and
open hotspot shield (hss) again. please solve this problem.

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Re: Where are the recordings?

kavein thran
 

hi,
I pasted in a download manager and its working. The only me concerns
me is the size which is 958 mb. Why it's so large?

On 9/30/17, Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:
Spaces are perfectly valid in web addresses.

The problem with them is that most email clients and similar applications
can't tell whether the space and the next word are still part of the
address,
or if the address has finished and the next word is just a word, so
therefore
spaces are often converted to %20 so that the entire address string is
continuous.

Typing an address, complete with spaces, into a web browser, however, is
perfectly valid.

The fundamental problem being discussed in this thread is in fact that
someone
fairly early on posted a URL which doesn't work.

http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community%20activities.7z

is the correct URL and works, although very very slowly.


Antony.

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You cannot have spaces in web addresses though, can you? I was thinking
this too but decided it has to be something like underscore or something
else. brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Where are the recordings?

Replace %20 by space.

Rui



De: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
Para: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Where are the recordings?
Data: 29 de setembro de 2017 15:49

I just tried this and the link appears to be totally dead!! By this, I
mean it doesn't even try to open a browser at all let alone give me a
page not found error or anything--it just says visited after I choose
it
but then just sits there. What's wrong?

Roger

On 9/28/2017 7:03 PM, dingpengyu06@gmail.com wrote:
All of you are good, this is the last week of the activities of the
recording, the following is the download address: because there is no
reason to deal with, so the volume will be relatively large, so a lot
of
inclusive. Http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community%
<http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community%>; 20activities.7z

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Re: hot key not working

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Don
I t could be that it clashes with some other software. You could always change it to something else, say v that being the next letter of nvda. Open the properties of the nvda icon, tab to the shortcut key field, press v only, the ctrl+alt will be automatically inserted by windows, tab to OK and press enter. Now try restarting nvda using ctrl+alt+v.

Cheers
Chris

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Sent: 29 September 2017 13:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] hot key not working

I have installed NVDA 2017.3 on my wife's laptop so I can perform maintenance on it. It is running Win 10 64 bit Creator.
When I look at the NVDA Icon properties it shows that control alt n is the shortcut key to start NVDA. However when I try to start NVDA with that key combination I am taken to the task bar and NVDA does not load.
Any clues? The NVDA keyboard layout is set to laptop as it does not have a number pad. I did try it in the desktop mode and got the same results.
Thanks
Re: problem nvda with hotspot shield

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I've not heard of hotspot shield what is its purpose exactly?
It could be that both programs are attempting to access something at the same time.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 8:14 AM
Subject: [nvda] problem nvda with hotspot shield


Hello, I use hotspot shield for open block sites, and I use nvda screen
reader, when I use navigation mode for sign in to my account, when NVDA
reads username edit, nvda and hss crashed and I must open nvda again and
open hotspot shield (hss) again. please solve this problem.

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Re: question

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There are obviously different ways in this series of computers, presumably depending on model operating system and possibly some special editions versions now appearing as second user ex commercial use machines.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question


You might try pressing windows+X and going to the mobility center and
turning off the touchpad from there. That's what I did and I also have
a Dell laptop from the Inspiron line.
-Noah

On 9/29/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
I think Fn+F3, just looking at an image on the net.

On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 3:59 AM, anthony borg <anthonyborg001@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi list

I have a dell laptop model inspiration 15-3537.

I wonder if someone can tell me what hot keys should use to enable or
disable the touchpad from the keyboard.

Thanks in advance

Anthony



--
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Training and Support Manager

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Re: question

anthony borg
 

Hi chris

I don’t know why but my fn key doesn’t work.

What should I do to activate it? please

Thanks in advance anthony

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 30 September 2017 00:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

I think Fn+F3, just looking at an image on the net.

 

On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 3:59 AM, anthony borg <anthonyborg001@...> wrote:

Hi list

I have a dell laptop model inspiration 15-3537.

I wonder if someone can tell me what hot keys should use to enable or disable the touchpad from the keyboard.

Thanks in advance

Anthony



 

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Re: question

anthony borg
 

Hi noah
I entered in to mobility center, but the word touchpad isn't there.
Thanks in advance
Anthony

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Noah Davis
Sent: 30 September 2017 02:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

You might try pressing windows+X and going to the mobility center and turning off the touchpad from there. That's what I did and I also have a Dell laptop from the Inspiron line.
-Noah

On 9/29/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
I think Fn+F3, just looking at an image on the net.

On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 3:59 AM, anthony borg
<anthonyborg001@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi list

I have a dell laptop model inspiration 15-3537.

I wonder if someone can tell me what hot keys should use to enable or
disable the touchpad from the keyboard.

Thanks in advance

Anthony



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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Twitter: @NVAccess
Re: Necessary training to write a screen reader?

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Well a look at how windows code exposes data for such purposes is probably where you start from then if you know this, making some kind of program to interact with them. I think you need to be able to program in at least one of the well known C compilation front ends and of course this in itself needs to be accessible using another screenreader, maybe Jaws.
Then you need a semi compiled scripting language to join all the bits up and to make decisions about which bits of the API use for what and went etc.
I started far too late in this to be any good at it, but I do also think some people have a natural gift for it, ie they can think in the logic needed to make it work before actually writing it.

I mean back in the 80s I could write basic and small routines in z80 assembler but in no way could I have written a game by hand in those days as some quite obviously did. they had a gift of thinking that way.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Walker, Michael E" <michael.e.walker3@boeing.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 9:29 PM
Subject: [nvda] Necessary training to write a screen reader?


Hi,

When I read about how NVDA was born by a blind developer starting and writing it back in 2006, where do you think he would have even gotten the training to write a screen reader? I know that one would not get this from college alone. College may teach the fundamentals of Computer Science with an introduction to some specialized topics like security and cryptography, image processing, networking, and multimedia, but writing a screen reader has to be a highly complex undertaking. I am not looking to write one, but am intrigued by NVDA's history.

Thanks,
Mike
Re: Where are the recordings?

Antony Stone
 

Spaces are perfectly valid in web addresses.

The problem with them is that most email clients and similar applications
can't tell whether the space and the next word are still part of the address,
or if the address has finished and the next word is just a word, so therefore
spaces are often converted to %20 so that the entire address string is
continuous.

Typing an address, complete with spaces, into a web browser, however, is
perfectly valid.

The fundamental problem being discussed in this thread is in fact that someone
fairly early on posted a URL which doesn't work.

http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community%20activities.7z

is the correct URL and works, although very very slowly.


Antony.

On Saturday 30 September 2017 at 10:55:57, Brian's Mail list account via
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You cannot have spaces in web addresses though, can you? I was thinking
this too but decided it has to be something like underscore or something
else. brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Where are the recordings?

Replace %20 by space.

Rui



De: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
Para: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Where are the recordings?
Data: 29 de setembro de 2017 15:49

I just tried this and the link appears to be totally dead!! By this, I
mean it doesn't even try to open a browser at all let alone give me a
page not found error or anything--it just says visited after I choose it
but then just sits there. What's wrong?

Roger

On 9/28/2017 7:03 PM, dingpengyu06@gmail.com wrote:
All of you are good, this is the last week of the activities of the
recording, the following is the download address: because there is no
reason to deal with, so the volume will be relatively large, so a lot of
inclusive. Http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community%
<http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community%>; 20activities.7z

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Re: Where are the recordings?

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Yes cos space is not a valid seperator in web addresses. Also the fact that its a number not a name is probably also a problem as in effect you are bypassing the nameserver look up for the site and many sites do not like you to enter by trying to get at pages without going in via a known route.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Where are the recordings?


I just tried copying the link into Firefox and then deleted both the %20 and replaced them with a space. Result: 404 Page not found.

Roger








On 9/29/2017 1:50 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Replace %20 by space.

Rui



De: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
Para: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Where are the recordings?
Data: 29 de setembro de 2017 15:49

I just tried this and the link appears to be totally dead!! By this, I mean it doesn't even try to open a browser at all let alone give me a page not found error or anything--it just says visited after I choose it but then just sits there. What's wrong?

Roger









On 9/28/2017 7:03 PM, dingpengyu06@gmail.com wrote:
All of you are good, this is the last week of the activities of the recording, the following is the download address: because there is no reason to deal with, so the volume will be relatively large, so a lot of inclusive. Http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community% <http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community%>; 20activities.7z
Re: Where are the recordings?

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I get 404 error when I try.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Where are the recordings?


Thunderbird is blocking this. Now I'm getting a message that the link in the message is a scam and impersonating a site I want to visit so it has deactivated it. At least now I know what's stopping it but don't know how to get around it.

Roger










On 9/29/2017 1:50 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Replace %20 by space.

Rui



De: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
Para: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Where are the recordings?
Data: 29 de setembro de 2017 15:49

I just tried this and the link appears to be totally dead!! By this, I mean it doesn't even try to open a browser at all let alone give me a page not found error or anything--it just says visited after I choose it but then just sits there. What's wrong?

Roger









On 9/28/2017 7:03 PM, dingpengyu06@gmail.com wrote:
All of you are good, this is the last week of the activities of the recording, the following is the download address: because there is no reason to deal with, so the volume will be relatively large, so a lot of inclusive. Http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community% <http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community%>; 20activities.7z
Re: [WebAIM] New WebAIM Screen Reader User Survey

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I did it a few weeks back, I assume it is still the same one?
They do seem to be assuming everyone has a smart phone though. Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 8:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] [WebAIM] New WebAIM Screen Reader User Survey


Hello,
Here is the link to one of the more important screen reader surveys. When
people refference screen reader usage and tendencies, they often use the
results of this survey.
Please fill this out, it really helps developers.
The questions are really easy and relevant.
Thank you,
Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jared Smith <jared@webaim.org>
Date: Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 7:53 AM
Subject: [WebAIM] New WebAIM Screen Reader User Survey
To: WebAIM Discussion List <webaim-forum@list.webaim.org>
https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey7/
Please share this URL to any and all screen reader users.
Thanks,
Jared Smith
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