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Re: Braille, how many use it?

Damien Sykes-Lindley <damien@...>
 

Hi,
Braille displays are super expensive. So expensive, in fact, that I'm surprised they're still on the market!
As for me, very naughty me, especially being total, I haven't touched Braille in ten years. Consequently, I've forgotten most of it! I'm a speech user all the way.
Cheers.
Damien.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 2:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Hi,

I wouldn't be without Braille personally. You can only tell so much with
speech, unless you turn on formatting and all that jazz.

All the best

Steve

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Subject: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Tis is just a question. I see a lot of work going on on the development
front to make these displays and the entering of the code more intuitive and
better.
I just wondered how many folk here can afford to use a Braille display on
their machines? Since the promised Orbit seems to be having issues getting
out of the factory, most of the other choices out there need a second
mortgage to buy them!

Just musing that was all.
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Re: Braille, how many use it?

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

I've used braille since I got my first braille display 10 years ago. I could probably be without it, but right now, I would not choose to. Adding up, say, three sets of 8 binary digits all having different positions for their binary points is not something I really want to be doing in my head while relying on speech. Perfecting the braille support in NVDA is one of the few major things that really needs to be done to shore up NVDA. I'm glad it's being addressed, but even at that, it's been essentially functional for years.

Best,

Erik

On October 3, 2017 7:42:29 AM "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <bglists@...> wrote:

Tis is just a question. I see a lot of work going on on the development
front to make these displays and the entering of the code more intuitive and
better.
I just wondered how many folk here can afford to use a Braille display on
their machines? Since the promised Orbit seems to be having issues getting
out of the factory, most of the other choices out there need a second
mortgage to buy them!

Just musing that was all.
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Re: Braille, how many use it?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

I wouldn't be without Braille personally. You can only tell so much with
speech, unless you turn on formatting and all that jazz.

All the best

Steve

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Subject: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Tis is just a question. I see a lot of work going on on the development
front to make these displays and the entering of the code more intuitive and
better.
I just wondered how many folk here can afford to use a Braille display on
their machines? Since the promised Orbit seems to be having issues getting
out of the factory, most of the other choices out there need a second
mortgage to buy them!

Just musing that was all.
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Re: Braille, how many use it?

Adriani Botez
 

In Germany they are also bein paid by ministery of labor or by the health
insurance company. And very often is being individually judged if the person
gets the device paid or not. It depends on the time period since last
payment or on how well tested is the technical features of the device.


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Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Oktober 2017 14:35
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

I agree. Luckily, the National Health Service here in Italy gives us braille
displays, either totally paid by the National Health Service itself, or
partly - depending on the cost of the device.


I used an Optacon before the advent of braille displays, and still do, but
on paper and ereaders; no longer on a pc screen, due to uncomfortable
position of my workstation.


I couldn't live without braille! I switched to NVDA only once braille
support was introduced.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 03/10/2017 13:41, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Tis is just a question. I see a lot of work going on on the
development front to make these displays and the entering of the code
more intuitive and better.
I just wondered how many folk here can afford to use a Braille display
on their machines? Since the promised Orbit seems to be having issues
getting out  of the factory, most of the other choices out there need
a second mortgage to buy them!

Just musing that was all.
Brian

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Re: Braille, how many use it?

Mallard <mallard@...>
 

I agree. Luckily, the National Health Service here in Italy gives us braille displays, either totally paid by the National Health Service itself, or partly - depending on the cost of the device.


I used an Optacon before the advent of braille displays, and still do, but on paper and ereaders; no longer on a pc screen, due to uncomfortable position of my workstation.


I couldn't live without braille! I switched to NVDA only once braille support was introduced.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 03/10/2017 13:41, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Tis is just a question. I see a lot of work going on on the development front to make these displays and the entering of the code more intuitive and better.
I just wondered how many folk here can afford to use a Braille display on their machines? Since the promised Orbit seems to be having issues getting out  of the factory, most of the other choices out there need a second mortgage to buy them!

Just musing that was all.
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Re: Braille, how many use it?

Adriani Botez
 

I used to have a braille disply during my studies and that was really nice
because I had to work with LateX for mathematical content. But also because
sometimes I just wanted to lean back and lern for exams without seating in
front of a machine. But now for my work I am much faster with a screen
reader and in fact I have discovered that I can learn much more in a short
time than I could with a braille display. It is because I use the speech
rate at a quite high level. But I would really be interested in a good
developed multi line braille disply, say like 16 lines or so. That could
display much more braile at once and could show up document structures or
even grafics. So I follow the developments in this sector hoping that there
will be a realistic solution for that anytime.


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Betreff: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Tis is just a question. I see a lot of work going on on the development
front to make these displays and the entering of the code more intuitive and
better.
I just wondered how many folk here can afford to use a Braille display on
their machines? Since the promised Orbit seems to be having issues getting
out of the factory, most of the other choices out there need a second
mortgage to buy them!

Just musing that was all.
Brian

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Re: Read to end of document not working in NVDA

Dan Thompson
 

Yes, I thought that was it and that's what I am using. Thanks for your help.

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Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 5:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Read to end of document not working in NVDA

No, if you are using desktop keyboard layout, it's NVDA+down arrow. NVDA being a modifier key which can be one or all of capslock, insert and extended insert key depending on your personal configuration of keyboard settings.

Cheers

Chris

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Sent: 3 October 2017 01:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Read to end of document not working in NVDA

Thank you very very much. What if you are using a desktop. Can you use caplocks plus A?

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Read to end of document not working in NVDA

Do you have selected the laptop keyboard sheme?
If so, the keystroke is CapsLock+A.

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Dan Thompson
Data: 3 de outubro de 2017 01:18
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] Read to end of document not working in NVDA



HI All,

I use to be able to press one of the nvda keys along with down arrow and
text would be read from the cursor’s location to the end of the document.
This stopped a few upgrades ago. I thought it would come back but has not
yet. I explored the menus but can’t find a setting except unchecking
“simple review mode” to try. So I did uncheck the box and nothing really
changed. Does any have any idea how to get the read to end back?



Thanks very much in advance.

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Braille, how many use it?

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Tis is just a question. I see a lot of work going on on the development front to make these displays and the entering of the code more intuitive and better.
I just wondered how many folk here can afford to use a Braille display on their machines? Since the promised Orbit seems to be having issues getting out of the factory, most of the other choices out there need a second mortgage to buy them!

Just musing that was all.
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Re: Update issues on snapshots again

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Perhaps you could put your comments on my ticket and any logs I find I'll attempt to edit and put them up there as well.
I see more informative info on the failed portables as it then named the filed it cannot rename as its in use. Several of them seem to be well known onnes but strangely it has no trouble deleting nvda.exe which happens before the errors resulting in the non working update.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Update issues on snapshots again


May be too late to get the original log back, but per
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps if you look in
%temp%, you should find any recent logs which still exist and there may be
something in there.


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Further to this, the same problems have occurred today updating to the one
with the slight documentation changes, so the problem still exists.
I had to restart windows to get the installer to run. It is, as I say not
allowing things to be deleted. Any ideas on what to try in nvda?
Its obibviously a recent issue.

I could completely reinstall but that would be impractical at the moment
due to work.

Besides if its affecting me then when the new version comes out there is
going to be a lot of problems.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Update issues on snapshots again


Yes this reboot is fine but its hard to replicate the exact conditions you
had the first time certainly not just by reinstalling old version and
updating again seems not to create the issue. it is obviously something
going on which still leaves some files locked. Could the log somehow tell
us which the files are which are causing it. That might suggest the issue
to be fixed. IE could there be circumstances in nvda with another program
running that means the system cannot unhook the files it needs to change?
That was muy feeling when I saw the log but without knowing the files its
a bit like a game of battleships!
Brian

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Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Update issues on snapshots again


I just installed 14463 on Windows 7, 64-bit, then ran that copy and
upgraded to 14473 and it seems to be working fine for me.

How is yours after a reboot?

Quentin.

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Anyone running master having update issues today?

Windows 7 64 just did an update as flagged and it deleted the main files
then fell over with file in use errors leaving it completely brokeen,
Luckily I do have a bckup portable but that won't install either. I
seem to
feel that something that told NVDA to stop using some old files seems to
have failed.
I will need to reboot the computer and then do a clean install I
suspect.
Info nobody running master as an installed copy is having this issue
then
one has to say its an anomaly here, but I cannot see why it would happen
when the last few updates have gone fine.
Brian

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Re: Update issues on snapshots again

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Its getting even more complicated now as the same is happening on the portable installs. It seems to me that files in nvda are being held as un renamable even when a different copy of nvda is running, thus when the temp copy of the installer on next or master attempts to rename the old files before deleting them after replacement it simply cannot do so unless its straight after a system restart.

Is this something peculiar to windows 7, is there anything you can think of that might be doing this or what? As it seems to affect this and the other machine in different locations then it looks to me like something is keeping files as in use when they are not.
I'm at a loss to know wheere to proceed with this as onther software that updates behaves as it always used to and if it were a windows issue it would show up elsewhere one would have thought.


I have now restored working by doing resets and running a third copy to run the instalations of both master and next to make the appropriate versions carefully making sure not to have had that version I'm installing or copying over in that windows session. this unfortunately really means manual download of the installed branch, Master so one can control the session.
Is there any way to tell which files windows treats as in use?
I did notice a change about when this started by Mick of changing file names to stop the old copies from being used in the new version so that Firefox would not become unusable when nvda updates if it happened to be running at that time. It was around this time things started to misbehave.


Before that could it have been handled differently so that the problem was not noticed?
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Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Update issues on snapshots again


May be too late to get the original log back, but per
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps if you look in
%temp%, you should find any recent logs which still exist and there may be
something in there.


On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <
bglists@...> wrote:

Further to this, the same problems have occurred today updating to the one
with the slight documentation changes, so the problem still exists.
I had to restart windows to get the installer to run. It is, as I say not
allowing things to be deleted. Any ideas on what to try in nvda?
Its obibviously a recent issue.

I could completely reinstall but that would be impractical at the moment
due to work.

Besides if its affecting me then when the new version comes out there is
going to be a lot of problems.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 8:17 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Update issues on snapshots again


Yes this reboot is fine but its hard to replicate the exact conditions you
had the first time certainly not just by reinstalling old version and
updating again seems not to create the issue. it is obviously something
going on which still leaves some files locked. Could the log somehow tell
us which the files are which are causing it. That might suggest the issue
to be fixed. IE could there be circumstances in nvda with another program
running that means the system cannot unhook the files it needs to change?
That was muy feeling when I saw the log but without knowing the files its
a bit like a game of battleships!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Update issues on snapshots again


I just installed 14463 on Windows 7, 64-bit, then ran that copy and
upgraded to 14473 and it seems to be working fine for me.

How is yours after a reboot?

Quentin.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:45 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <
bglists@...> wrote:

Anyone running master having update issues today?

Windows 7 64 just did an update as flagged and it deleted the main files
then fell over with file in use errors leaving it completely brokeen,
Luckily I do have a bckup portable but that won't install either. I
seem to
feel that something that told NVDA to stop using some old files seems to
have failed.
I will need to reboot the computer and then do a clean install I
suspect.
Info nobody running master as an installed copy is having this issue
then
one has to say its an anomaly here, but I cannot see why it would happen
when the last few updates have gone fine.
Brian

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Re: Managing Servers Remotely

Antony Stone
 

How do you "connect to the server"?

Antony.

On Tuesday 03 October 2017 at 12:55:54, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi,

You don’t even need the remote addon if audio services are available on
your servers.

Just install NVDA on the server, then when you connect to the server, press
Windows and R then type NVDA.


All the best

Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
helenc317@... Sent: 03 October 2017 03:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Managing Servers Remotely



Hi all,

For my job, I'm a developer on a web application, and all our servers are
hosted in the cloud. i'm trying to figure out what options exist for me to
access and manage the servers. I know about the remote access add-on
though I haven't tried it yet. I've also read a few people saying they can
use remote desktop to access another machine. I'm hoping to get some
feedback as to the feasibility of either of these in my situation.

I'm working from a windows 7 machine, and I would have to check what our
servers are running. From looking over the remote access documentation, it
sounds like in order to make this work, I would need to have NVDA on the
server set to autoconnect all the time. Is that correct? Is that a setting
that loads when NVDA starts once I'm logged in? Is remote desktop a
possibility in this situation? I would like it better if I could choose to
start NVDA instead of having it run every time someone logs into the
server. Is there anything else I need to take into account?

I'm a little hesitant since this would be 6 servers in total I'll be
needing installs for. Plus I'll need to check on if we're allowed to put
NVDA on the production servers which have stronger security policies. But
those are separate topics for different people.

Thanks for any help.

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Re: Managing Servers Remotely

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

You don’t even need the remote addon if audio services are available on your servers.

 

Just install NVDA on the server, then when you connect to the server, press Windows and R then type NVDA.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of helenc317@...
Sent: 03 October 2017 03:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Managing Servers Remotely

 

Hi all,

For my job, I'm a developer on a web application, and all our servers are hosted in the cloud. i'm trying to figure out what options exist for me to access and manage the servers. I know about the remote access add-on though I haven't tried it yet. I've also read a few people saying they can use remote desktop to access another machine. I'm hoping to get some feedback as to the feasibility of either of these in my situation.

I'm working from a windows 7 machine, and I would have to check what our servers are running. From looking over the remote access documentation, it sounds like in order to make this work, I would need to have NVDA on the server set to autoconnect all the time. Is that correct? Is that a setting that loads when NVDA starts once I'm logged in? Is remote desktop a possibility in this situation? I would like it better if I could choose to start NVDA instead of having it run every time someone logs into the server. Is there anything else I need to take into account?

I'm a little hesitant since this would be 6 servers in total I'll be needing installs for. Plus I'll need to check on if we're allowed to put NVDA on the production servers which have stronger security policies. But those are separate topics for different people.

Thanks for any help.

Helen


Re: Read to end of document not working in NVDA

Chris Mullins
 

No, if you are using desktop keyboard layout, it's NVDA+down arrow. NVDA being a modifier key which can be one or all of capslock, insert and extended insert key depending on your personal configuration of keyboard settings.

Cheers

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Thompson
Sent: 3 October 2017 01:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Read to end of document not working in NVDA

Thank you very very much. What if you are using a desktop. Can you use caplocks plus A?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Read to end of document not working in NVDA

Do you have selected the laptop keyboard sheme?
If so, the keystroke is CapsLock+A.

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Dan Thompson
Data: 3 de outubro de 2017 01:18
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] Read to end of document not working in NVDA



HI All,

I use to be able to press one of the nvda keys along with down arrow and
text would be read from the cursor’s location to the end of the document.
This stopped a few upgrades ago. I thought it would come back but has not
yet. I explored the menus but can’t find a setting except unchecking
“simple review mode” to try. So I did uncheck the box and nothing really
changed. Does any have any idea how to get the read to end back?



Thanks very much in advance.

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Re: Where are the recordings?

Antony Stone
 

As you say, "it is up to the browser/program to perform the conversion".

That means you can give your browser a URL with spaces in, and it will convert
it before making the request to the web server.

See http://al.dehy.de/example.html for an example.

That page contains a link to another page on the same server, the URL for
which contains a total of three space characters (not encoded using %20).


Antony.

On Tuesday 03 October 2017 at 03:54:32, Travis Siegel wrote:

According to w3schools.org (the definitive source on all things html)
the space character is not permitted in urls. The page:

https://www.w3schools.com/TagS/ref_urlencode.asp

spaces *must* be encoded as something else, and depending on your
character set, it can be any number of things, with the most common
being a %20, but %21, %22, %23, and a handful of others as well may
sometimes result.

It's up to the browser/program to perform the conversion.

Many tech sites claim spaces are allowed, but should be avoided because
multiple spaces can be considered a security risk (for technical
reasons), but since w3 are the folks that make the standard, I'm going
with their take on it, which simply put states spaces aren't allowed in
urls.

On 9/30/2017 5:06 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
Spaces are perfectly valid in web addresses.

The problem with them is that most email clients and similar applications
can't tell whether the space and the next word are still part of the
address, or if the address has finished and the next word is just a
word, so therefore spaces are often converted to %20 so that the entire
address string is continuous.

Typing an address, complete with spaces, into a web browser, however, is
perfectly valid.

The fundamental problem being discussed in this thread is in fact that
someone fairly early on posted a URL which doesn't work.

http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community%20activities.7z

is the correct URL and works, although very very slowly.


Antony.

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You cannot have spaces in web addresses though, can you? I was thinking
this too but decided it has to be something like underscore or something
else. brian

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Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Where are the recordings?

Replace %20 by space.

Rui



De: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@...>
Para: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Where are the recordings?
Data: 29 de setembro de 2017 15:49

I just tried this and the link appears to be totally dead!! By this, I
mean it doesn't even try to open a browser at all let alone give me a
page not found error or anything--it just says visited after I choose
it but then just sits there. What's wrong?

Roger

On 9/28/2017 7:03 PM, dingpengyu06@... wrote:
All of you are good, this is the last week of the activities of the
recording, the following is the download address: because there is no
reason to deal with, so the volume will be relatively large, so a lot
of inclusive. Http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community%
<http://123.206.102.220/NVDA%20plugin%20community%> 20activities.7z
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Re: Managing Servers Remotely

Norman <lists@...>
 

Hi.
The first thing you need to know is what the operating system is on the web server. There will be options for managing them but without knowing what the operating system is I can't really give much guidance.

Thanks.


On October 2, 2017 10:32:19 PM EDT, helenc317@... wrote:
Hi all,

For my job, I'm a developer on a web application, and all our servers are hosted in the cloud. i'm trying to figure out what options exist for me to access and manage the servers. I know about the remote access add-on though I haven't tried it yet. I've also read a few people saying they can use remote desktop to access another machine. I'm hoping to get some feedback as to the feasibility of either of these in my situation.

I'm working from a windows 7 machine, and I would have to check what our servers are running. From looking over the remote access documentation, it sounds like in order to make this work, I would need to have NVDA on the server set to autoconnect all the time. Is that correct? Is that a setting that loads when NVDA starts once I'm logged in? Is remote desktop a possibility in this situation? I would like it better if I could choose to start NVDA instead of having it run every time someone logs into the server. Is there anything else I need to take into account?

I'm a little hesitant since this would be 6 servers in total I'll be needing installs for. Plus I'll need to check on if we're allowed to put NVDA on the production servers which have stronger security policies. But those are separate topics for different people.

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Re: Update issues on snapshots again

Quentin Christensen
 

May be too late to get the original log back, but per https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps if you look in %temp%, you should find any recent logs which still exist and there may be something in there.


On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
Further to this, the same problems have occurred today updating to the one with the slight documentation changes, so the problem still exists.
I had to restart windows to get the  installer to run. It is, as I say not allowing things to be deleted. Any ideas on what to try in nvda?
Its obibviously a recent issue.

I could completely reinstall but that would be impractical at the moment due to work.

Besides if its affecting me then when the new version comes out there is going to be a lot of problems.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Update issues on snapshots again


Yes this reboot is fine but its hard to replicate the exact conditions you had the first time certainly not just by reinstalling old version and updating again seems not to create the issue. it is obviously something going on which still leaves some files locked. Could the log somehow tell us which the files are which are causing it. That might suggest the issue to be fixed. IE could there be circumstances in nvda with another program running that means the system cannot unhook the files it needs to change?
That was muy feeling when I saw the log but without knowing the files its a bit like a game of battleships!
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Update issues on snapshots again


I just installed 14463 on Windows 7, 64-bit, then ran that copy and
upgraded to 14473 and it seems to be working fine for me.

How is yours after a reboot?

Quentin.

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Anyone running master having update issues today?

Windows 7 64 just did an update as flagged and it deleted the main files
then fell over with  file in use errors leaving it completely brokeen,
Luckily I do have a bckup portable but that won't install either. I seem to
feel that something that told NVDA to stop using some old files seems to
have failed.
I will need to reboot the computer and then do a clean install I suspect.
Info nobody running master as an installed copy is having this issue then
one has to say its an anomaly here, but I cannot see why it would happen
when the last few updates have gone fine.
Brian

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Re: HTML email [was: Re: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on]

Antony Stone
 

I'd be very interested to know where you have these numbers from. I wonder
what sort of sample size, and what types of email, were analysed to find out
the proportions of text-only, HTML-only, and mixed.

Please point me at whatever studies you've seen showing these results.

Thanks,


Antony.

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On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 08:23 am, Gene wrote:
I've seen very little about this but I think I read somewhere that
sending HTML only messages is mor common than it used to be.
*Much* more common than it once was, and mostly because plain-text e-mail
(and other cyber-written media like text messages) is dead, for all
practical intents and purposes, except in some very small niches.
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Re: Update issues on snapshots again

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Further to this, the same problems have occurred today updating to the one with the slight documentation changes, so the problem still exists.
I had to restart windows to get the installer to run. It is, as I say not allowing things to be deleted. Any ideas on what to try in nvda?
Its obibviously a recent issue.

I could completely reinstall but that would be impractical at the moment due to work.

Besides if its affecting me then when the new version comes out there is going to be a lot of problems.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Update issues on snapshots again


Yes this reboot is fine but its hard to replicate the exact conditions you had the first time certainly not just by reinstalling old version and updating again seems not to create the issue. it is obviously something going on which still leaves some files locked. Could the log somehow tell us which the files are which are causing it. That might suggest the issue to be fixed. IE could there be circumstances in nvda with another program running that means the system cannot unhook the files it needs to change?
That was muy feeling when I saw the log but without knowing the files its a bit like a game of battleships!
Brian

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Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Update issues on snapshots again


I just installed 14463 on Windows 7, 64-bit, then ran that copy and
upgraded to 14473 and it seems to be working fine for me.

How is yours after a reboot?

Quentin.

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bglists@...> wrote:

Anyone running master having update issues today?

Windows 7 64 just did an update as flagged and it deleted the main files
then fell over with file in use errors leaving it completely brokeen,
Luckily I do have a bckup portable but that won't install either. I seem to
feel that something that told NVDA to stop using some old files seems to
have failed.
I will need to reboot the computer and then do a clean install I suspect.
Info nobody running master as an installed copy is having this issue then
one has to say its an anomaly here, but I cannot see why it would happen
when the last few updates have gone fine.
Brian

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Re: Prevent system sleep/standby while NVDA is reading something

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Now the first person to come up with a use for the waste heat from a laptop will be very rich. I did think of a cup warmer, but then its not to be encouraged, drinking hot beverages near computer keyboards, is it?
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Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Prevent system sleep/standby while NVDA is reading something


To be honest when I am setting a system up, I turn sleep and hybernation
off only shutdown on.

I have it so it will shut down when I hit the button and only that.

I have had hybernate active on a system but only because the usr closed
the lid and left it running till its battery died last week but I really
don't care for things powering off.

similarl/y I don't ever allow processers and all those saving features
to remain set for so call savings mode I know I use power faster but if
I need the power I need it./

/One thing that does change it is if I need it on my lap, I do then dumb
down the cpu a lot, my lap is not a hot cake./

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Hello all,

A friend of mine noticed that if he reads a long article via "say all" and his
system is set to go to "sleep", the system will go to "sleep", even if NVDA
hasn't finished reading at that time. Shouldn't NVDA (at least optionally)
prevent system standby/sleep function while it is reading something? I thought
that there was a ticket in the NVDA issue tracker about this, but apparently
there isn't, because my searches for "prevent sleep" and "prevent standby" did
not return as a result such a ticket.

Any thoughts?

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


Re: Update issues on snapshots again

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Yes this reboot is fine but its hard to replicate the exact conditions you had the first time certainly not just by reinstalling old version and updating again seems not to create the issue. it is obviously something going on which still leaves some files locked. Could the log somehow tell us which the files are which are causing it. That might suggest the issue to be fixed. IE could there be circumstances in nvda with another program running that means the system cannot unhook the files it needs to change?
That was muy feeling when I saw the log but without knowing the files its a bit like a game of battleships!
Brian

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Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Update issues on snapshots again


I just installed 14463 on Windows 7, 64-bit, then ran that copy and
upgraded to 14473 and it seems to be working fine for me.

How is yours after a reboot?

Quentin.

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bglists@...> wrote:

Anyone running master having update issues today?

Windows 7 64 just did an update as flagged and it deleted the main files
then fell over with file in use errors leaving it completely brokeen,
Luckily I do have a bckup portable but that won't install either. I seem to
feel that something that told NVDA to stop using some old files seems to
have failed.
I will need to reboot the computer and then do a clean install I suspect.
Info nobody running master as an installed copy is having this issue then
one has to say its an anomaly here, but I cannot see why it would happen
when the last few updates have gone fine.
Brian

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