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Re: Please, give me your LibreOffice issues

Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
 

I was using version 5.2.7.0, but to answer the question about issues in LibreOffice, upgraded to 5.4.2.2.
Really, when I wait for some time, issue 1 is explained: LibreOffice is slow to open files.
Thank you.


Em 11/10/2017 03:11, zahra escreveu:

hi walmir.
about first and second issues, which version of libreoffice do you use exactly?
libreoffice is very slow in compare to microsoft office when i open files.
so, its slow to open files and nvda is slow sometimes to read.
we dont need use alt tab multiple times, but the best way is to close
other open programs and be patient to libreoffice open files and nvda
reads!
for second issue, in some versions we need to use f2 twice and in some
versions we dont need.

for this reason, i asked you the version number of libreoffice!

i installed version 5.3.4.1 x86 to use it forever and dont have such issues!

hope that help, God bless you all!

On 10/10/17, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
<wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hi, Quentin,

1 - First things first:

When I open Calc or Writer, NVDA announces "Unknown".

If I try NVDA+T, I hear "soffice".

To get access to the document, I must hit ALT+TAB twice.


2 )- After the previous behavior, Writer "orks", but Calc doesn't.
Moving acroos lines or columns using arrow keys or TAB only works for
the first cell. Aftr this, nothing is announced.
ALT+TAB dowsn't work in this case.
The way to get out of this "trap" is pressing F2 twice to enter and exit
edit mode.
Important note: this only occurs in files with multiplie spreadsheets.
3 - Moving between spreadsheets
I use CTR+PGUP and ctrl+pgdwn TO MOVE BETWEEN SPREADSHEETS, BUT nvda
APPEARS TO HAVE PTOBLEMS ANNOUNCING THE NAME OF EACH ONE. It has an
erratic behavior, annoucing some names and being muite in others.
I don't know if the first line being fixed in some spreadsheets have
something to do with this.
4 - More to come...
Thank you very much for give attention to LibreOffice!


Em 09/10/2017 22:08, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Hi everyone,

I'm having a look at our LibreOffice issues, and also LibreOffice's
NVDA issues.  So, if anyone has any bugs or issues with LibreOffice
and NVDA, now would be a great time to raise them so I can capture the
current state of play.

I have been working through our issues tagged with LibreOffice:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/labels/libreoffice

and The Document Foundation's issues with NVDA:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=nvda

If you haven't already reported an issue in either of those places,
even if you've previously raised it here, please let me know, just to
make sure I don't miss it.

Regards

Quentin.

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Re: list boxes in NVDA

Ian Westerland
 

Hi Gene. Already tried copying and pasting the web address. It only comes up as a review page with the list boxes when a review is being submitted following an order but I will give it some further attention and investigation and write again when I can provide the additional information.

Thank you.


Ian

On 10/11/2017 10:13 PM, Gene wrote:
When asking about a web page, unless the page can't be viewed by the general public, please give the address of the page.  No one can answer the question without looking at the page.  There are too many possibilities.  For example, the list boxes may be inaccessible in general.  They may be inaccessible with certain browsers and screen-reader combinations and visible with others.  They may be visible with brows mode off when tabbing through the fields but not with browse mode on.  There is no way to know without people looking at the page.
I would imagine you know how to copy the address from the address bar and paste it into the message.  But since I don't know anything about what you know, I don't want to assume.  Ask if you have questions.  At times, I see people type addresses, even long ones, a way to do lots of extra work and have errors in the address.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Ian Westerland <mailto:iwesterl@bigpond.net.au>
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 11, 2017 4:15 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA
Hi Antony.
It's an online review page.
On 10/11/2017 8:12 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> Is this an online web page, a PDF they send you, a Word document, or
what?
>
> Is there any way we can see the ratings system without being a customer?
>
> It always helps if we can see the same things as you're having
problems with
> so we can think of possible answers.
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Wednesday 11 October 2017 at 11:10:20, Ian Westerland wrote:
>
>> Hello.  So far so good.  NVDA is working out nicely.  One area causing
>> some difficulty is around list boxes.
>>
>> I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings
>> system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.
>>
>> NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers
>> in the boxes for me to complete the review.
>>
>> There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review.  I
>> can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or
>> the numbers in them.
>> Is there something I am doing wrong?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>> Ian Westerland
>


Re: list boxes in NVDA

Gene
 

When asking about a web page, unless the page can't be viewed by the general public, please give the address of the page.  No one can answer the question without looking at the page.  There are too many possibilities.  For example, the list boxes may be inaccessible in general.  They may be inaccessible with certain browsers and screen-reader combinations and visible with others.  They may be visible with brows mode off when tabbing through the fields but not with browse mode on.  There is no way to know without people looking at the page. 
 
I would imagine you know how to copy the address from the address bar and paste it into the message.  But since I don't know anything about what you know, I don't want to assume.  Ask if you have questions.  At times, I see people type addresses, even long ones, a way to do lots of extra work and have errors in the address.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA

Hi Antony.
It's an online review page.





On 10/11/2017 8:12 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> Is this an online web page, a PDF they send you, a Word document, or what?
>
> Is there any way we can see the ratings system without being a customer?
>
> It always helps if we can see the same things as you're having problems with
> so we can think of possible answers.
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Wednesday 11 October 2017 at 11:10:20, Ian Westerland wrote:
>
>> Hello.  So far so good.  NVDA is working out nicely.  One area causing
>> some difficulty is around list boxes.
>>
>> I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings
>> system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.
>>
>> NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers
>> in the boxes for me to complete the review.
>>
>> There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review.  I
>> can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or
>> the numbers in them.
>> Is there something I am doing wrong?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>> Ian Westerland
>



Re: list boxes in NVDA

Ian Westerland
 

Hello Brian. I didn't think to try the single letters. Will give that a go.

Window-Eyes finds them but doesn't read the ratings numbers. However, because I know that the default setting is 5, I arrow up or down which ever is needed then check in the Window-Eyes MSA mode.

Ian

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Do you know for sure what the listboxes are in a control form. you could try single letter nav and see if perhaps they appear as buttons that open as lists or combo boxes. I've noted this kind of ambiguity before on web sites.
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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:10 AM
Subject: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA

Hello.  So far so good.  NVDA is working out nicely.  One area causing some difficulty is around list boxes.

I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.

NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers in the boxes for me to complete the review.

There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review.  I can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or the numbers in them.
Is there something I am doing wrong?

Thank you.


Ian Westerland






Re: list boxes in NVDA

Ian Westerland
 

Hi!

Latest Internet Explorer

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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA

Hi Antony.
It's an online review page.





On 10/11/2017 8:12 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Is this an online web page, a PDF they send you, a Word document, or what?

Is there any way we can see the ratings system without being a customer?

It always helps if we can see the same things as you're having problems with
so we can think of possible answers.


Antony.

On Wednesday 11 October 2017 at 11:10:20, Ian Westerland wrote:

Hello.  So far so good.  NVDA is working out nicely.  One area causing
some difficulty is around list boxes.

I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings
system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.

NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers
in the boxes for me to complete the review.

There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review.  I
can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or
the numbers in them.
Is there something I am doing wrong?

Thank you.


Ian Westerland


Re: PDF Secured files

Gene
 

From an Adobe (spelling)help page:
Opening secured PDFs
Acrobat DC and Acrobat Reader DC warn you any time you try to open a URL (website) or a file attachment that uses a disallowed file type. URLs and disallowed file types are potentially dangerous because they can transfer or run programs, macros, or viruses that can damage your computer. Examples of disallowed file types include .exe and .zip files.
Documents can be secured in several ways. To view the security settings of a document, choose File > Properties in Acrobat or Reader. From the Document Properties dialog box, click the Security tab. If you have trouble opening a PDF, or you’re restricted from using certain features, contact the author of the PDF.
 
I don't know if that applies to the current situation but it may.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] PDF Secured files

The document I am trying to read is a medical report for my blood test
in .pdf format sent to me on line and I do think it is ridiculous for
it to be secured even for the patient whose test it is.
My sighted son says, however, that it is readable when the document is
opened in Acrobat reader DC although it says "secured".  Also if I can
read it in Firefox then I don't really see the need for it to be
secured and inaccessible in Acrobat reader. Or is it a shortcoming of
NVDA?
Obviously it is not password protected or else my son would not be
able to read it and nor would I like I can in Firefox.
Thanks,
Akbar

On 10/11/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
> You can't.
>
> If its secured or an image document then you can't even access it.
>
> You will have to ask the people you got it from to give you a normal
> document.
>
> On an interesting note, adobe does allow secured documents to be read,
> there are designs for the most image full documents to be totally
> accessible.
>
> Sadly there are still some people that are just not following guidelines.
>
>
>
>
> On 11/10/2017 1:33 a.m., Akbar S. Currim wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Could someone please help.  I have a pdf file and when I try to read
>> it in Acrobat reader DC I get a message that it is secured and I am
>> unable to read it.  How can I read this file?  Using NVDA17.3 Win 10.
>> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks and regards,
>>
>> Akbar
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: list boxes in NVDA

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What browser version has to be the next question.
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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA


Hi Antony.
It's an online review page.





On 10/11/2017 8:12 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Is this an online web page, a PDF they send you, a Word document, or what?

Is there any way we can see the ratings system without being a customer?

It always helps if we can see the same things as you're having problems with
so we can think of possible answers.


Antony.

On Wednesday 11 October 2017 at 11:10:20, Ian Westerland wrote:

Hello. So far so good. NVDA is working out nicely. One area causing
some difficulty is around list boxes.

I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings
system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.

NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers
in the boxes for me to complete the review.

There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review. I
can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or
the numbers in them.
Is there something I am doing wrong?

Thank you.


Ian Westerland


Re: list boxes in NVDA

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Do you know for sure what the listboxes are in a control form. you could try single letter nav and see if perhaps they appear as buttons that open as lists or combo boxes. I've noted this kind of ambiguity before on web sites.

Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:10 AM
Subject: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA


Hello. So far so good. NVDA is working out nicely. One area causing some difficulty is around list boxes.

I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.

NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers in the boxes for me to complete the review.

There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review. I can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or the numbers in them.
Is there something I am doing wrong?

Thank you.


Ian Westerland





Re: Problem with latest Next snapshot: nvda_snapshot_next-14510,580365a5

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I don't get this error but the errors on install I do get. Mick claims that UAC is set higher than it is as a copy is running but no copy is running as it closes it down first. I strongly suspect something in Windows is getting mega twisted knickers, particularly on some windows 7 boxes but from what you say it might also affect some 10 ones as well.
I think you should be able in Defender or msse to tell it to ignore the nevda files and see what then happens. its not doing it in my msse which as fare as I know shares the anti virus definitions with defender.
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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 7:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Problem with latest Next snapshot: nvda_snapshot_next-14510,580365a5


Hi,


Problem with this snapshot:

When trying to autoupdate, the update fails and the desktop shortcut is not created properly.

When downloading the snapshot from the snapshot's page, Windows Defender complains that it could potentially contain some malicious thing!



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Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

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I don't think that they are deliberately doing these things, just that when changes to a part of a system need to look back so far that it can be a problem to take into account all eventualities and it takes a lot more time to check them out as developers old systems may have died years back.
In an ideal world we could use programs built in the dos days in windows, but most of them either fail to run or no screenreader can read them.
I aam just saying that I think Micosoft should at least make some consessions when they are dealing with blind users.
Brian

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From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select the
favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!
noone should not force others to change, just because beeing uptodate
and jusg for change and new things to come!

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Probably both! :-)

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Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


Um... erudite or luddite?

Antony.

On Tuesday 10 October 2017 at 18:59:03, Brian wrote:

I'm a bit of erudite as well. I enjoy playing with new stuff, but if I'm
trying to get stuff done the muscle memory used for reading emails and
other stuff takes a lot to relearn so why bother when its still working.
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Re: question about comparison between current versions of nvda since 2017.1 about stability

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Yes and some kind developer seems to think it very funning to turn them all back on on some updates... grin, so I'm staying in 55, where on or off it still focusses on the page itself.
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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question about comparison between current versions of nvda since 2017.1 about stability


You have to uncheck all the items selection under the Side Bar in the View menu

Robert Mendoza

On 10/10/2017 4:34 PM, Peter Chin wrote:
Excuse me, but how do you close the side bar?


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I quite liked 48, but 522 was good too.
Strangely these are the last versions that work on XP as well.


55 is OK but it has a certain issue of saying it cannot download pages the
first time it accesses them and this has got far worse as time has moved on.
Then 56 needs to have the sidebar closed to give focus to the page, and 57
seems to have some weird quirks in the actual rendering engine compared to
55.

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Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2017 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question about comparison between current versions of
nvda since 2017.1 about stability


hi felix.
which version of firefox for you was the best version in speed and stability?
thanks so much for sharing your experience for me.
is the degradation present with previous versions of firefox or not?
God bless you and his mercy for your help!

On 10/8/17, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi!
User experience depends on many factors, meaning any combination of
hardware, screen reader version, Windows version, and browser is unique and
may have its unique quirks.
My experience is that with NVDA 2017.3 there has not been any
stability-related problem I could not resolve by restarting NVDA.
Responsiveness with Firefox has degraded for me over the recent months with
Firefox updates, but there have been no real hangs or crashes.
However I doubt my observations will be applicable to your situation,
nevertheless I'm trying to be as helpful as I can be.
Kind regards,
Felix

zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> schrieb am Sa., 7. Okt. 2017 um 09:38 Uhr:

hi quentin.
could you please you help me in this regard?
God bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you.

On 10/7/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi antony and all.
as i told in my first message, the best version for me is the most
stable version.
the version which has good performance in all windows versions,
different browsers specially firefox for me without becoming
unresponsive, hang or crash.
i had many issues using firefox, including hang, brows mode not
working, and even forcing shutdown the computer with power button
because my computer became unresponsive and even i could not use
keyboard sometimes!
i had this problem since nvda 2016.3 and later.
i also did not use 2016.2 because of problems for farsi
punctuations.
but i tested it one time and it was slow to response in firefox
and i
dont remember if it caused any other problem for me or not.
the only stable version that i did not face hang,
unresponsiveness or
need to use shutdown via power button, in this year and last year is
2017.1
thats the main reason that i mentioned in one of my previous post
that
i realy dont want to update my nvda!
i had other reasons for this, but this problem was very annoying for
me and caused cant doing all the things that i need properly and
fast!
also 2017.2 which was the most favorite version for me, became slow
many times for me, sometimes silent and unresponsive and i remember
that in the first day that i installed it, i fourced to shutdown my
laptop via power button!
hope that someone can help me and introduce me the best version of
nvda without such issues!
i also installed nvda 17.3 to see the result yesterday and until
now,
did not experience such problems in one day except one page which is
very slow using nvda for me to response!
God bless you all!

On 10/7/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Well we must remember we are dealing with a new engine mod for mozilla
stuff so there will be some bugs.

I have found 56 quite stable for the most part.




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Use Firefox 55 or before and all seems pretty good. Indeed the
only
gripe I have about 55 and some earlier ones is that when first
launched it often complains that the page cannot be found. However
try
again normally finds it. its trying to be too swift of its marks i
think before the address is resolved.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2017 7:18 AM
Subject: [nvda] question about comparison between current
versions >>> of
nvda since 2017.1 about stability


hello every one.
firefox browser is the most important program for me after nvda
currently.
i wish that know between versions 2017.1, 2017.2 and 2017.3 of
nvda
which one is the most compatible version using browsers specially
firefox in stability, not hang or crash without causing the
problem
(not responding) for both nvda and browser?
i read nvda 17.2 hanged many times and some people requested link
for
return to 17.1 after releasing 17.2
but i even heard that 17.3 hangs using browsers.
could you please share your experience with me in this regard?
i appreciate any help, specially from nvda expert users and
developers.
God bless you and i sincerely pray for you every day.

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salvation.
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Re: New blind users group

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Well, if more people used Usenet which has free servers all over the world still, then there are several on there underused still.
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From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 2:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New blind users group


You're welcome to start another discussion group, but I would ask - do we
*really* need *another* one?


Antony.

On Wednesday 11 October 2017 at 03:10:11, Randy Barnett wrote:

Hi, I started a group that is for discussion anything blind related.
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Re: something people should be aware of

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Well I suspect it went for last known good and hence it was before it got itself confused.
I've noticed similar issues on 7 with some so called safe software.
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Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] something people should be aware of


Well going slightly off for a sec, earlier this week I did report the issue with narator and search boxes not speaking contents or up and down arrow presses.

I submitted feadback, I also tested turning off all the services and startup items and running in core mode I even turned the ms security startup program and it still did the same thing.

One thing I did solve was that disk cleaner then was able to appear and clean fully without stopping speech, and also was able to clear updates and such however obviously something happened because after a bit I thought I would just continue cleaning when I switched the system back to full mode.

I quit disk cleaner, set everything back and shut down except the system refused to shut down.

On restart it just sat there in a weird mode till I turned it off.

It then started normally enough though slow and after another cleaning run I noticed the items to clear updates etc just did not exist so who knows at any rate interesting, the system is now working and that issue will probably not effect me ever again unless I need to run another diagnostic run.

So my narator report is in the hub and I can confirm its just the start menu search box that does this the cortana one, the desktop and file and settings boxes are left alone.

Its not that big of a deal its just that start menu search is broken with narator, lets hope the fix goes in the next build.

Then again, the workstation is about 5 years old 4 of those years I have had 10 on but for a brief period it had 7, I guess I will eventually need to reformat which by rights should be easy to do since all data is on another drive so its not like I loose out in fact a couple days loading all those apps back, and bar the standard apps I load on, 7zip, ccleaner, cd burner xp and a few extras who knows.




On 11/10/2017 12:33 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Hmm well i hope not as my Christmas is going to be very frustrating, planning to get a new laptop with 10 on it before that.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] something people should be aware of


Well I do hope you can turn off all the stuff you don't want.

However ofcause if you could set phrases if you need to have it do things for spaciffic things well.

Sure it can suggest and advertise for you, however if you can't control it at all its basically useless.

And to be honest on a really serious note, with the death of ms music, if this gets any worse, I am seriously going to have to just not sign in with an ms account or maybe never use win10 and remain on 7 for ever or xp or something if it starts getting me angry or something really stupid.

Maybe I will have to download one of those dodgy spyware full antispyware software and turn a lot of stuff off breaking a whole lot of things.

The thing is we really need control, and I just don't see much of it.

There was a worrying article released on news that ms from consumer point of view seems to be servicing businesses instead of its standard user base anymore.

Unsure if its true but reguardless of this, there are so many settings, tips, suggestions, adds, and the like I have to turn off that its a real pain and takes more and more time during setup.

I bet you that when the big update comes out next week I will be sitting at the system, checking through settings and turning a lot of things off again.




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I think the worrying part to this is that it means its reading your live chat from the keyboard and I can just imagine it adding a new message when you pause telling you when you mention blindd that a shop selling blinds is just down the road.. grin.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] something people should be aware of


Hi


It says it in the link that was given. It is going to be part of skype but looks more like the metro apps at present. We will find out shortly how much it gets used .


I will be looking forwards to playing with it not much different from using a voice assistant on your phone i guess.


Gene nz


On 10/10/2017 3:19 PM, zahra wrote:

hi.
i opened the link and only the informations were about cortana!
where can i read the informations about skype?

On 10/10/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:


Hi


does not worry me. At present it will be for apple devices and android
ones.it did not mention windows devices nor windows computers as of yet.


it does not say any thing about the desk top version of skype either.


Gene nz


On 10/10/2017 1:55 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

was reading skype blogs and found this.

https://blogs.skype.com/news/2017/10/09/introducing-cortana-skype-microsofts-intelligent-assistant-comes-chat-window/

I really hope that there will be a way to make this shove right off if one
wants to.

There is nothing worse than something bringing up suggestions and thinking
what to say, if I want this now then I can put several bits of spyware and
ransom ware on my system, and forget about skype.

While I see a benifit in this, I really hope we can envoke this at will, if
not then maybe I will have to use windows xp for skype instead <sigh>






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Re: failure when installing Microsoft Speech Platform Voices

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Hmm, well I predict no difference if it won't install. What message is it giving you?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Vicki" <vwherry4@comcast.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] failure when installing Microsoft Speech Platform Voices


Now that's interesting because I haven't done a registry clean in quite awhile, so I think I will do that first because I did install the program and have uninstalled it in order to try again.

Thanks.

Vicki

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Subject: Re: [nvda] failure when installing Microsoft Speech Platform Voices


Has anything been run like for example a registry cleaner? There were issues about getting the 32 bit and 64 bit parts mixed up I seem to recall, but the web site seems to suggest it will work on 10, it certainly does on 7.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 7:41 PM
Subject: [nvda] failure when installing Microsoft Speech Platform Voices


A few days ago I asked about installing Microsoft Speech Platform voices.

The synthesizer shows up in my list of options, but when I select it, I get an error message telling me that it cannot be loaded.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Vicki





Re: list boxes in NVDA

Ian Westerland
 

Hi Antony.
It's an online review page.

On 10/11/2017 8:12 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Is this an online web page, a PDF they send you, a Word document, or what?
Is there any way we can see the ratings system without being a customer?
It always helps if we can see the same things as you're having problems with
so we can think of possible answers.
Antony.
On Wednesday 11 October 2017 at 11:10:20, Ian Westerland wrote:

Hello. So far so good. NVDA is working out nicely. One area causing
some difficulty is around list boxes.

I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings
system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.

NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers
in the boxes for me to complete the review.

There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review. I
can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or
the numbers in them.
Is there something I am doing wrong?

Thank you.


Ian Westerland


Re: list boxes in NVDA

Antony Stone
 

Is this an online web page, a PDF they send you, a Word document, or what?

Is there any way we can see the ratings system without being a customer?

It always helps if we can see the same things as you're having problems with
so we can think of possible answers.


Antony.

On Wednesday 11 October 2017 at 11:10:20, Ian Westerland wrote:

Hello. So far so good. NVDA is working out nicely. One area causing
some difficulty is around list boxes.

I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings
system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.

NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers
in the boxes for me to complete the review.

There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review. I
can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or
the numbers in them.
Is there something I am doing wrong?

Thank you.


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list boxes in NVDA

Ian Westerland
 

Hello. So far so good. NVDA is working out nicely. One area causing some difficulty is around list boxes.

I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.

NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers in the boxes for me to complete the review.

There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review. I can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or the numbers in them.
Is there something I am doing wrong?

Thank you.


Ian Westerland


Re: PDF Secured files

Akbar S. Currim <raahzam@...>
 

The document I am trying to read is a medical report for my blood test
in .pdf format sent to me on line and I do think it is ridiculous for
it to be secured even for the patient whose test it is.
My sighted son says, however, that it is readable when the document is
opened in Acrobat reader DC although it says "secured". Also if I can
read it in Firefox then I don't really see the need for it to be
secured and inaccessible in Acrobat reader. Or is it a shortcoming of
NVDA?
Obviously it is not password protected or else my son would not be
able to read it and nor would I like I can in Firefox.
Thanks,
Akbar

On 10/11/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
You can't.

If its secured or an image document then you can't even access it.

You will have to ask the people you got it from to give you a normal
document.

On an interesting note, adobe does allow secured documents to be read,
there are designs for the most image full documents to be totally
accessible.

Sadly there are still some people that are just not following guidelines.




On 11/10/2017 1:33 a.m., Akbar S. Currim wrote:
Hi all,

Could someone please help. I have a pdf file and when I try to read
it in Acrobat reader DC I get a message that it is secured and I am
unable to read it. How can I read this file? Using NVDA17.3 Win 10.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks and regards,

Akbar



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Re: NVDA with Notepad++

Adriano Barbieri
 

Hi,

Sorry, but I have to take the defenses for Notepad++.
For me notepad++ is just fantastic!
I do not feel such problems and I use it to read books and write python code.
And always keeps memory of the last position of the cursor at the closure of program.

Cheers
Adriano

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with Notepad++


May I ask another, slightly related question?


Why does notepad++ get recommended so much as a code editor for VI guys/screenreader users, when problems like this keep on getting mentioned?


I ask this since, while I do have it installed here, for handling a couple of things relating to characterset encoding, it has never been, and, will never be my primary code editor, since for working with things like PHP, javascript, HTML and python, edSharp has always provided a much better programmer's interface, interaction, and, has never really given me any issues with regards to screen reader usage, etc.


And, no, this is not anything like a form of rant, but, just wondering why notepad++ consistently gets recommended to screenreader users for a programmer's editor, when these issues seem to consistently keep on getting mentioned?


Stay well


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On 2017/10/11 07:57, zahra wrote:
hi.
i turned on wordwrap in notepad plus plus and have the problem about cursor!
please someone guide me too.
God bless you all!

On 10/11/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Are you saying, that if, for example, you down arrow four times from the top
of a document, you hear line 9? I want to be completely sure what you are
describing. Are you talking about what you hear when you use the arrow keys
or what you hear when you use screen review commands such as numpad 8 for
read current line?

Is word wrap on in Notepad or off? Is NVDA set to object navigation as the
review setting or screen review or something else?

I'm not sure what's causing the problem but I want to be sure what the
problem is and how things are set.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Hi,
I am a software development student who is visually impaired. I use
NVDA to navigate my computer and notepad++ for all my coding. The one
thing that has plagued me is that when I put my cursor on a line in
notepad++, NVDA reads five lines below where my cursor is instead of
the line my cursor is actually on. This makes coding more difficult
for me. Is there a way to get NVDA to read my current line that I have
my cursor on in notepad++ instead of five lines below?

Thank you



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Re: NVDA with Notepad++

Gene
 

I cant tell from your discussion how you know you are not on the correct line.  But if you aren't, this may be a problem of NVDA tracking the cursor improperly, or  for whatever reason, reading ahead of where the cursor is.  I don't know how you work with files.  Do you want the lines in the actual file to be automatically ended after a certain number of characters but the files to be text files?  If so, Wordpad may meet your needs.  I haven't looked at it much and I don't recall if you can set margins.  But you can save files as text files.  The soft returns will be converted to hard returns but they will be text files and you should get accurate placement. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 2:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with Notepad++

if i turn off wordWrap, one line for me sometimes contains thousands
of characters!
i tried it one time, in a txt file if i dont press enter after any
sentence to create any new line, as i told, one line for me  was
thousands of characters!
also when i turn it on, when i press home in one line, my cursor
changes incorrectly, some words in the middle of line and even goes to
other previous or next lines!
its very frustrating and dont know what should i do/

On 10/11/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> If you turn on Word wrap, the lines may be of a different length than the
> actual line.  I don't know what you are describing.  Are the lines numbered
> or in what way are you saying they don't correspond?  Evidently, when word
> wrap is off, you don't have the problem.  If you have a line that is twice
> as long as would be found in a word processor document, word wrap makes it
> appear on screen as two lines so all the text will fit on screen.  So you
> would have the real line 1 taking two lines on screen.  I don't know if
> something like that is happening in your case but word wrap isn't supposed
> to give true lines.  It's supposed to break up real lines for display on the
> screen into line lengths that will fit on the screen.  The actual document
> isn't changed but the way it id displayed is.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: zahra
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:57 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with Notepad++
>
>
> hi.
> i turned on wordwrap in notepad plus plus and have the problem about
> cursor!
> please someone guide me too.
> God bless you all!
>
> On 10/11/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> Are you saying, that if, for example, you down arrow four times from the
>> top
>> of a document, you hear line 9?  I want to be completely sure what you
>> are
>> describing.  Are you talking about what you hear when you use the arrow
>> keys
>> or what you hear when you use screen review commands such as numpad 8 for
>> read current line?
>>
>> Is word wrap on in Notepad or off?  Is NVDA set to object navigation as
>> the
>> review setting or screen review or something else?
>>
>> I'm not sure what's causing the problem but I want to be sure what the
>> problem is and how things are set.
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> Hi,
>>> I am a software development student who is visually impaired. I use
>>> NVDA to navigate my computer and notepad++ for all my coding. The one
>>> thing that has plagued me is that when I put my cursor on a line in
>>> notepad++, NVDA reads five lines below where my cursor is instead of
>>> the line my cursor is actually on. This makes coding more difficult
>>> for me. Is there a way to get NVDA to read my current line that I have
>>> my cursor on in notepad++ instead of five lines below?
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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