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Re: New version of espeak NG

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I just had a look at the master snapshot whats new section and it mentions.


• Espeak-ng has been updated (to commit 01919cd48a566cdf34347784b2e74554b376e900), this resolves some issues with producing release builds. (#7385)


it does not mention any thing about new languages yet but there is still a few weeks to go before they lock it down where noting gets added.


Gene nz



On 10/12/2017 10:25 AM, Marco Oros wrote:
Hi!
I know, that some people dislike Espeak, but I have a question.
Have You update Espeak NG in the next version of NVDA to the new version?
I don't know, where to ask this question, so I rather ask It here.
There are also new languages too, some inprovements for another languages also.
Thank You.
Marco Oros




--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Questions about embedded photos in email

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Deborah,

If you navigate graphic by graphic, then yes, you will know of all images. You can use the new OCR feature in NVDA to check each graphic. However, I use the following script to pull images from outlook and recognize them. Keep the message that you want to check open. You can modify the below script to save the images into a folder so that you have better control.

#-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
# Name: module1
# Purpose:
#
# Author: Pranav Lal
#
# Created: 27/03/2015
# Copyright: (c) user 2015
# Licence: <your licence>

import win32com.client
import os
from PIL import Image

import pytesseract
import imghdr
import tempfile

def isImage(fp):
result=''
try:
result=imghdr.what(fp)
except:
pass
return result
def recogniseFile(fp):
img=Image.open(fp)
img1=img.convert('L')

print(pytesseract.image_to_string(img1))


def main():
pass

if __name__ == '__main__':
main()
o=win32com.client.Dispatch("Outlook.Application")
tp=tempfile.gettempdir()
curSel=o.ActiveExplorer()
curMSG=curSel.Selection.Item(1)
attachments=curMSG.Attachments
for attachment in attachments:
t=os.path.join(tp, attachment.FileName)
attachment.SaveAsFile(t)
r=isImage(t)
if not r:
pass
else:
recogniseFile(t)

os.remove(t)

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 1:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Questions about embedded photos in email

I'm editing a newsletter for an all-volunteer organization. Everyone keeps sending me pictures embedded in email rather than attachments.


My husband, who is sighted explained that they just drag and drop the
picture in to the email and that's why it shows as part of the email
rather than an attachment.


I have someone else doing the layout, but I'm frustrated that I might be
missing some of the photos. I mean can I be absolutely sure that a
screen reader will tell me when a photo is there and let me right-click
on it to save it as a separate file?


I use Windows 10 mail, Windows Live Mail and Thunderbird. I'm not
entirely happy with any of them; I use Outlook and JAWS at work with
fewer access glitches.


But at home it's NVDA and Narrator on Windows 10 with these clients.


What are thoughts from others on the list?


--Debee


Re: using NVDA with live chat

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


not sure about the pace you mentioned but have used it in quite a few places online if available

When you go into it what ever you type appears above that also includes what the person says. to go between the section it is usually shift/tab key to go to where the conversation is then either tab or arrow back down to type in your message. You just need to review what is said usually with the arrow keys.


sorry apart from that they are easy to use.


gene nz

.


On 10/12/2017 5:19 AM, Ashley Wayne wrote:
Hello everyone, hope all is well.  I was just wondering if anyone had success using NVDA with the live chat option for contact/support; in my case, I need to contact comcast and would rather use the chat option as I find that it is often faster than waiting on hold with the phone.  Anyway, I would normally just test it out for myself but I didn't want to be starting a chat with a representative and then realize I couldn't effectively communicate with them, so just thought I would ask here first to see if anyone had experience, good or bad.  Thanks so much.

Ashley






--
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Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Brian,

 

I do understand where you're coming from. These unreasonable people can't keep asking the software developers to keep an old system going when it's no longer supported. That's like asking someone to try to find a part for an old wringer washing machine. It can't be done because they don't have those washers anymore.

 

Yes, things do change and like the old saying goes, "you have to go with the flow".

 

As far as email programs, I'm using outlook 2013 which does have the ribbon and I'm not having a problem with it.

 

I know we've had some disagreements in the past but I totally back you up where this unreasonable person is concerned. This will be my last word on the subject.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 4:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

 

Rosemarie,
 
        I hasten to add that my comments are not meant to "poke fun" at the attitude expressed but to highlight the impossibility of anyone, "maintaining all old ancient technology forever," and trying to equate efforts to do so with, "freedom of choice for every person." It isn't possible and it has nothing to do with freedom of choice. Things, including software, have eras and service lives. What I find really galling, and actually stupid, is the idea that others have an obligation to act irrationally in an effort to maintain programs and technologies that have not been current for well over a decade now (which is like a century or more in tech time).

        I have helped any number of people who were forced by circumstances, even temporary ones, to keep things afloat until they could work out the logistics of moving on in a way that caused the least pain.  It's never painless.

        But I adamantly refuse to countenance the idea that professionals, in any field, are under any obligation to keep trying to keep something going that has long been "past its expiration date" because there are a few unreasonable people who simply will not move on.  It's even worse when they won't move on because of personal preference for something now abandoned.  That's one of the reasons I repeatedly snap back at the whining about ribbons and the endless love of "Identities" in Outlook Express that never caught on anywhere else.   Those battles are over - way over - and you, for any you, would do well to spend your time learning what is current and appears likely to be supported into the foreseeable future, not complaining about them.

--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: Mail Program Suggestions

Gene
 

Googling may not give you enough information about the modified version that runs in higher versions of Windows.  Many people have problems with Outlook Express in Windows 7 and higher.  You can play with the version that has been modified to work in higher versions of Windows but whether you have problems that amount to anything is something you'll have to see.  For many users, I see no reason to cling to this old e-mail program with other good alternatives unless you put a lot of importance on identities.  If you have a lot of folders and want to use first letter navigation, that may be another reason to use Outlook Express but you may have problems ranging from DBX corruption to others which may or may not be easy to solve. 
 
As far as identities are concerned, I haven't worked with identities and I can't comment on where they might be useful. 
 
The modified Outlook Express is put out by a person and the person is now asking for "donations" because he can't legally charge for a program he doesn't own.  If you want to try an older free version before the person decided to ask for "donations", you can download a free version at the Whitestick site.  I'll check and provide the link if you have questions.
 
But if you don't want to fool around with Outlook Express, you may find Windows Live Mail to be a good option.  Some people have a crashing problem with the program but many people don't.  I've been using it for many years and I'm very satisfied with it.  There is an older menu version and a newer ribbon version.  I don't think I have information about where to get the newer ribbon version but one or more people on the list do.  I do have information about where to get the older menu version, if desired.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mail Program Suggestions

Some people are still useing Outlook express. It is being kept alive by
someone out there... Just google it.
On 10/11/2017 1:29 PM, Earle Zwicker wrote:
> Just wondering what programs people are using for mail? I have Windows 10 creater, and I still haven't found something I'm completely happy with.
>
> I've tried Thunder bird, but found it to be a bit sluggish.
>
> I've also tried the mail program that's built in, but for some reason message threads are open by default, and I don't see an option to change this behaviour.
>
> So if anyone has any suggestions on how I can fix these problems, or another email program, I would really appreciate it. Thanks for any help you can give me.
>
> Earle
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>

--
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Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526




Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

 

Rosemarie,
 
        I hasten to add that my comments are not meant to "poke fun" at the attitude expressed but to highlight the impossibility of anyone, "maintaining all old ancient technology forever," and trying to equate efforts to do so with, "freedom of choice for every person." It isn't possible and it has nothing to do with freedom of choice. Things, including software, have eras and service lives. What I find really galling, and actually stupid, is the idea that others have an obligation to act irrationally in an effort to maintain programs and technologies that have not been current for well over a decade now (which is like a century or more in tech time).

        I have helped any number of people who were forced by circumstances, even temporary ones, to keep things afloat until they could work out the logistics of moving on in a way that caused the least pain.  It's never painless.

        But I adamantly refuse to countenance the idea that professionals, in any field, are under any obligation to keep trying to keep something going that has long been "past its expiration date" because there are a few unreasonable people who simply will not move on.  It's even worse when they won't move on because of personal preference for something now abandoned.  That's one of the reasons I repeatedly snap back at the whining about ribbons and the endless love of "Identities" in Outlook Express that never caught on anywhere else.   Those battles are over - way over - and you, for any you, would do well to spend your time learning what is current and appears likely to be supported into the foreseeable future, not complaining about them.

--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,

 

I love that bit about the ice box and horse and buggie and communication by telegram. Oh--don't forget the log cabin with no running water, no indoor plumbing and no electricity--hahahahahahahahaha. Ordinarily I don't like to make fun of people but I don't understand why someone would want to keep an old system that isn't supported anymore. I know that there are organizations out there that can help blind people get either new or refurvished computers if they can't afford a new one. After all, the world does change and we have to move with it.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 6:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

 

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 11:24 pm, zahra wrote:

i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select the
favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!

Good luck with that.

I hope you enjoy your icebox, that horse and buggy you have, and sending communications by telegraph.

The world changes and the wise change with it.
 
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: idea for libreOffice

 

As was already explained, that piece of software is no longer needed, and hasn't been needed for a couple years now.


There are many other things to be done, however. They have already taken care of the Java Access Bridge deal.





On 10/11/2017 6:24 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

It's possible your idea might make libre office more stable.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] idea for libreOffice

 

I had an idea. Not sure if this would make libreoffice more stable and functional or not but here it goes.

Rather than libreoffice and openoffice relying on the java access bridge, both libreoffice and openoffice should have a feature to detect when NVDA is loaded. If loaded, libreoffice could probably run much more stable and provide much better accessibility if it directly used the NVDA controller client to provide direct accessibility by having NVDA braille and speak exactly what needs spoken and or brailled. This may enable the reading of charts and graphs in calc, better access in writer, complete access to impress, and the math tools. Not sure if this will go anywhere. But it was just an idea. And if it works we would have two excellent 100% accessible up to date and free office suites that, just as a braille notetaker like the brailleNote speaks exactly what is needed when needed, no more no less, same with braille... So if libreoffice and or openoffice used NVDA controller client rather than java access bridge which may be the cause of its instability? Then perhaps NVDA would work great with these applications.

 

Josh

 

-- 
sent with mozilla thunderbird


Re: idea for libreOffice

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

It's possible your idea might make libre office more stable.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] idea for libreOffice

 

I had an idea. Not sure if this would make libreoffice more stable and functional or not but here it goes.

Rather than libreoffice and openoffice relying on the java access bridge, both libreoffice and openoffice should have a feature to detect when NVDA is loaded. If loaded, libreoffice could probably run much more stable and provide much better accessibility if it directly used the NVDA controller client to provide direct accessibility by having NVDA braille and speak exactly what needs spoken and or brailled. This may enable the reading of charts and graphs in calc, better access in writer, complete access to impress, and the math tools. Not sure if this will go anywhere. But it was just an idea. And if it works we would have two excellent 100% accessible up to date and free office suites that, just as a braille notetaker like the brailleNote speaks exactly what is needed when needed, no more no less, same with braille... So if libreoffice and or openoffice used NVDA controller client rather than java access bridge which may be the cause of its instability? Then perhaps NVDA would work great with these applications.

 

Josh

 

-- 
sent with mozilla thunderbird


Re: something people should be aware of

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I remember dog pile. It was a search engine. I heard about it through a friend.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] something people should be aware of

Anyone remember the search engine dogpile?

It was a search engine that would submit your search to several other search engines, then collate the results, and present them in one unified interface. Very nice, and I used it a lot. I was very disappointed when it went bye-bye. Another search engine I liked very much was findwhat. It rarely returned more than a page of results, and each and every time, the results were always relevant to what I was searching for. Even google doesn't give me that kind of return on my searches.


On 10/10/2017 5:07 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well I do hope we don't use all of them all at once.

However if you had them in some sort iof array and needed to do extra
queries about things then maybe.

Siri is quite acurate for apple googles one has a few more advantages,
amazons stuff is growing ms I don't know but yeah, if something used
all of them and then one of them gave the answer you needed that would
be good.

Obviously I hope one could just use which one he or she wanted, but
there is no reason that they all couldn't talk together about an
issue, ofcause there would be data and abattery things if all had to
upload to eachother but maybe it could be compressed.

Right now though if you have apple you have siri with google you have
google.

With samsung you have samsung whatever they use.

So as long as you don't install their apps of various things
technically who knows.

I do hope you can set control of whatever you have.

On the other hand if you could run all of them, then only have one
envoke with its word and well depending on where etc you chose.

Though if they all ran together hmmm.




On 10/10/2017 8:52 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
It only mentions the smart phone versions here. I unfortunately can
see a day when we have multiple voice and text accessible assistants
on every device, all arguing with each other about what you actually
wanted in the first place New scientist is calling AI Artificial
Ignorance, by the way.
I feel that we should be able to define the areas of our lives these
things can get involved in, and how long before some smarty pants
comes up with one that asks them all and presents all their answers
in a usable way.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss"
<sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 1:55 AM
Subject: [nvda] something people should be aware of


Hi.

was reading skype blogs and found this.

https://blogs.skype.com/news/2017/10/09/introducing-cortana-skype-mi
crosofts-intelligent-assistant-comes-chat-window/


I really hope that there will be a way to make this shove right off
if one wants to.

There is nothing worse than something bringing up suggestions and
thinking what to say, if I want this now then I can put several bits
of spyware and ransom ware on my system, and forget about skype.

While I see a benifit in this, I really hope we can envoke this at
will, if not then maybe I will have to use windows xp for skype
instead <sigh>







.




Re: list boxes in NVDA

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I just updated firefox and it works great so-far.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ian Westerland
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA

Yes, I have Firefox which will need updating.
This is probably a good time to update my Browsers as it seems Internet Explorer is going to be phased out in favour of Edge.

Chrome is one I haven't investigated a great deal, but when I have, it hasn't been easy to get even a basic understanding.
So I'll start with Firefox. Windows 10 has just been upgraded so Microsoft Edge will be worth another look.

Oh, the joys and challenges of keeping up-to-date with computers and programs and many people think that those of us who are blind have nothing to do with our time.
Such are the myths still alive in our supposedly informed world.

Ian




On 10/12/2017 2:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I would heartily advise trying Firefox or Chrome as well. You can have
them all on the system with no issues.
I gave up on chrome myself but just because I could not get my brain
around the way to use it veery easily, not to condemn it for that of
course.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA




Hi!

Latest Internet Explorer


On 10/11/2017 9:18 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
What browser version has to be the next question.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Westerland"
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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA


Hi Antony.
It's an online review page.





On 10/11/2017 8:12 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Is this an online web page, a PDF they send you, a Word document,
or what?

Is there any way we can see the ratings system without being a
customer?

It always helps if we can see the same things as you're having
problems with so we can think of possible answers.


Antony.

On Wednesday 11 October 2017 at 11:10:20, Ian Westerland wrote:

Hello. So far so good. NVDA is working out nicely. One area causing
some difficulty is around list boxes.

I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings
system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.

NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers
in the boxes for me to complete the review.

There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review. I
can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or
the numbers in them.
Is there something I am doing wrong?

Thank you.


Ian Westerland










Re: Mail Program Suggestions

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Earl,

In the mail app you have to go to settings to turn off conversation mode. As
far as mail programs, I'm using outlook 2013.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Earle
Zwicker
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Mail Program Suggestions

Just wondering what programs people are using for mail? I have Windows 10
creater, and I still haven't found something I'm completely happy with.

I've tried Thunder bird, but found it to be a bit sluggish.

I've also tried the mail program that's built in, but for some reason
message threads are open by default, and I don't see an option to change
this behaviour.

So if anyone has any suggestions on how I can fix these problems, or another
email program, I would really appreciate it. Thanks for any help you can
give me.

Earle

Sent from my iPhone


New version of espeak NG

Marco Oros
 

Hi!
I know, that some people dislike Espeak, but I have a question.
Have You update Espeak NG in the next version of NVDA to the new version?
I don't know, where to ask this question, so I rather ask It here.
There are also new languages too, some inprovements for another languages also.
Thank You.
Marco Oros


Re: Mail Program Suggestions

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Some people are still useing Outlook express. It is being kept alive by someone out there... Just google it.

On 10/11/2017 1:29 PM, Earle Zwicker wrote:
Just wondering what programs people are using for mail? I have Windows 10 creater, and I still haven't found something I'm completely happy with.

I've tried Thunder bird, but found it to be a bit sluggish.

I've also tried the mail program that's built in, but for some reason message threads are open by default, and I don't see an option to change this behaviour.

So if anyone has any suggestions on how I can fix these problems, or another email program, I would really appreciate it. Thanks for any help you can give me.

Earle

Sent from my iPhone
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707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526


Mail Program Suggestions

Earle Zwicker
 

Just wondering what programs people are using for mail? I have Windows 10 creater, and I still haven't found something I'm completely happy with.

I've tried Thunder bird, but found it to be a bit sluggish.

I've also tried the mail program that's built in, but for some reason message threads are open by default, and I don't see an option to change this behaviour.

So if anyone has any suggestions on how I can fix these problems, or another email program, I would really appreciate it. Thanks for any help you can give me.

Earle

Sent from my iPhone


Re: list boxes in NVDA

Ian Westerland
 

Yes, I have Firefox which will need updating.
This is probably a good time to update my Browsers as it seems Internet Explorer is going to be phased out in favour of Edge.

Chrome is one I haven't investigated a great deal, but when I have, it hasn't been easy to get even a basic understanding.
So I'll start with Firefox. Windows 10 has just been upgraded so Microsoft Edge will be worth another look.

Oh, the joys and challenges of keeping up-to-date with computers and programs and many people think that those of us who are blind have nothing to do with our time.
Such are the myths still alive in our supposedly informed world.

Ian

On 10/12/2017 2:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I would heartily advise trying Firefox or Chrome as well. You can have them all on the system with no issues.
I gave up on chrome myself but just because I could not get my brain around the way to use it veery easily, not to condemn it for that of course.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Westerland" <iwesterl@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA
Hi!
Latest Internet Explorer
On 10/11/2017 9:18 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
What browser version has to be the next question.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Westerland" <iwesterl@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA


Hi Antony.
It's an online review page.





On 10/11/2017 8:12 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Is this an online web page, a PDF they send you, a Word document, or what?

Is there any way we can see the ratings system without being a customer?

It always helps if we can see the same things as you're having problems with
so we can think of possible answers.


Antony.

On Wednesday 11 October 2017 at 11:10:20, Ian Westerland wrote:

Hello. So far so good. NVDA is working out nicely. One area causing
some difficulty is around list boxes.

I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings
system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.

NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers
in the boxes for me to complete the review.

There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review. I
can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or
the numbers in them.
Is there something I am doing wrong?

Thank you.


Ian Westerland





Re: something people should be aware of

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Anyone remember the search engine dogpile?

It was a search engine that would submit your search to several other search engines, then collate the results, and present them in one unified interface.  Very nice, and I used it a lot.  I was very disappointed when it went bye-bye.  Another search engine I liked very much was findwhat.  It rarely returned more than a page of results, and each and every time, the results were always relevant to what I was searching for.  Even google doesn't give me that kind of return on my searches.

On 10/10/2017 5:07 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well I do hope we don't use all of them all at once.

However if you had them in some sort iof array and needed to do extra queries about things then maybe.

Siri is quite acurate for apple googles one has a few more advantages, amazons stuff is growing ms I don't know but yeah, if something used all of them and then one of them gave the answer you needed that would be good.

Obviously I hope one could just use which one he or she wanted, but there is no reason that they all couldn't talk together about an issue, ofcause there would be data and abattery things if all had to upload to eachother but maybe it could be compressed.

Right now though if you have apple you have siri with google you have google.

With samsung you have samsung whatever they use.

So as long as you don't install their apps of various things technically who knows.

I do hope you can set control of whatever you have.

On the other hand if you could run all of them, then only have one envoke with its word and well depending on where etc you chose.

Though if they all ran together hmmm.




On 10/10/2017 8:52 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
It only mentions the smart phone versions here. I unfortunately can see a day when we have multiple voice and text accessible assistants on every device, all arguing with each other about what you actually wanted in the first place
New scientist is calling AI Artificial Ignorance, by the way.
I feel that we should be able to define the areas of our lives these things can get involved in, and how long before some smarty pants comes up with one that asks them all and presents all their answers in a usable way.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 1:55 AM
Subject: [nvda] something people should be aware of


Hi.

was reading skype blogs and found this.

https://blogs.skype.com/news/2017/10/09/introducing-cortana-skype-microsofts-intelligent-assistant-comes-chat-window/

I really hope that there will be a way to make this shove right off if one wants to.

There is nothing worse than something bringing up suggestions and thinking what to say, if I want this now then I can put several bits of spyware and ransom ware on my system, and forget about skype.

While I see a benifit in this, I really hope we can envoke this at will, if not then maybe I will have to use windows xp for skype instead <sigh>







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Re: screen readers

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Actually, I don't have this problem.

When I'm reading large chunks of text, my screen will blank, but NVDA keeps right on reading, just as if the screen wasn't blanked at all.  I'll have to check my settings to be sure, but I think I have it set to blank the screen, but not to go to sleep as a whole, so that could be why it continues reading for me.

On 10/9/2017 10:34 PM, zahra wrote:
hi.
just set screen saver to none and read any pages that you need with sayAll.
nvda stopss working after some minutes when you use sayAll, if screen
saver is active, says unknown and you need to press insert or capslock
plus down arrow keys to continue reading.
i use windows xp and dont know where exactly screen saver is, but you
can search and find it easily,
for me who use xp, screen saver is in control panel, display, settings.
hope that help,
God bless you!

On 10/10/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
In NVDA, you can't use numpad end as a part of the read status line command.
You can use either insert but you would use end on the main keyboard.

Many commands are the same or similar between JAWS and NVDA when using the
desktop layout. I don't use the laptop layout and I can't comment on that.


Rather than change or try to change many commands in NVDA, I think your time
would be far better used learning the NVDA commands.

Read to end, using the default desktop layout is NVDA key, which by default
is either insert, down arrow. Not down arrow on the numpad, down arrow on
the main keyboard. That's roughly equivalent to the command people use in
JAWS for read to end. People generally use nnumpad insert numpad down arrow
for read to end. In NVDA, you are using down arrow on the main keyboard.
You can't use down arrow on the numpad because NVDA uses that command for
read current character. I gave the read status line command before and you
use end on the main keyboard for the same reason. The numpad end key is
used for screen review.

If you aren't well familiar with NVDA commands, you may change commands only
to find later you have stopped important other commands you want to use. I
would strongly recommend against changing commands until you know NVDA well
enough to understand what the consequences may be.

If you want to know where to see NVDA commands listed in the NVDA
documentation, list members can discuss that. But in general, I believe it
is better, and it may be significantly better depending on what you are
using and how, to learn the actual screen-reader commands and only then
making changes if still desired.

I went through unnecessary work when I was learning NVDA to change the read
to end command. I didn't know that you can set the caps lock key to work as
an NVDA key. So I changed Read to end to a command I liked more only to
find it was unnecessary as I learned more about NVDA. Once I found out
about using the caps lock as an NVDA key, I started using caps lock down
arrow for read to end, which is as convenient as the command I wasted time
setting before I knew about the caps lock.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Monte Single
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 6:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen readers


I use insert plus end to hear number of messages. A lot of the key strokes
are the same especially for all the basic windows stuff, reading documents,
folders, lists, and web pages.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karim
Lakhani
Sent: October-09-17 4:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] screen readers



Hello all,

Can I get NVDA to use jaws commands?

when it comes to navigating data?

I know that window eyes had a setting to configure the setting like you
were using the jaws program?

NVDA works real well but not having the experience like checking messages,
like you do with jaws.

insert down always gave the amount of messages.

I'm not sure why I'm having a real hard time with NVDA not being my primary
synthesizers.

thanks for the list and as a Canadian happy thanks giving!



Thanks.





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Re: Resilio Sync Service?

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,
Gave up on sync thing. Complexity and isn't as reliable as resilio.
Resilio can be installed as both a service or actual program. To get
the web UI if you don't instal as a service, locate the resilio sync
desktop shortcut. Right click or hit alt enter and go to properties.
From here, on the target field, go to the very end. Hit space and type
/webui. Hit okay. Close sync if it is running and from here, once
resilio is opened again, you should have the standard setup.
Love resilio - nothing will really come close to it that does what it does.
Any more questions please let me know!

On 10/10/17, Bobby Vinton <vinton.bobby5277@...> wrote:
Yes it is. What you do is you go to actions in the menu and click on show
computer id. It is assigned by the program. Good luck

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 1:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Resilio Sync Service?

Hi Bobby,

This computer ID you are talking about: is this something that you are
assigned by the program; do you make it up yourself or is it something you
find under system information?

Thanks for any help.


On 10/10/2017 11:17 AM, Bobby Vinton wrote:
The link for sync thing is www.syncthing.net.  What you have to do is add a
folder that you are ssharing than add a computer id butt it has to be the
computer id of the person you are sharing with than you have to send the key
and computer id as well.  You can sync files and fiolders between folders.
Hope this helps

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Casey
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 9:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Resilio Sync Service?

Hi can you pass along A down load for sync thing.
And instructions on how to use it.
Like once you get it and install it what can you use it for and how do you
use it on files?
That you get in your e-mail?




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bobby
Vinton
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 11:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Resilio Sync Service?

Well I don’t like resilio sync service at all because you have to get a
computer pass word to use it.  Butt You should try sync thing.  Sync thing
is just like bittorrent sync butt it is web based and you down load it as a
zip file and just install it as a portible version.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Earle Zwicker
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Resilio Sync Service?

How did you get resillio to work in Windows? I haven't had any luck with it.
The only way I could get it to work was to set it up as a service.

Earle

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On Oct 9, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Matt Turner <meturner2214@...> wrote:

Hi folks.

I got it working under windows.

I'm using the web GUI, but there are a few things confusing me on the
local page.

Anyone else use this?








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Re: idea for libreOffice

V Stuart Foote
 

Hi Josh,

Java Access Bridge has not been required for assistive technology tools (AT) support in the Windows builds of either project for several years. It was replaced with a native Windows bridge implementing the IAccessible2 (ia2) API donated with the IBM Symphony code and merged for AT on the Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 (April 2014)  and LibreOffice 4.2.0 (January 2014) releases.

Both projects continue to provide cross platform AT support with Accessible Roles defined internally via the UNO Accessibility API--which the native bridges: ATK/AT-SPI, ia2, NSAccessibility (Linux, Windows, macOS) then parse for user interface events. As with most software development project developers will insist on that structured provision of Accessible Roles for assistive technology in a format for cross platform consumption.   Very unlikely either project will implement Microsoft UIA as that would gut UNO Accessibility API (loosely the same as the Java Accessibility API in Java) that all the AT must connect to. 

Anything else that is needed by an AT is out of scope.

So, NVDA's interface (including brail support)  is against the IAccessible2, and relies on other NVDA modules for Windows screen and object exposure when an Accessible Event is not exposed.

No benefit to folks to try to rework NVDA interface for something the developers on the office programs will not accept.

Stuart Foote
San Antonio, Texas