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Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Arlene
 

That would be like trying to use word perfect 5.1 when using MS word 97. It happened to me. I had documents that were in word perfect 5.1 I could not get them into computers that used MS word 97. I had to just move to win 95 that used word 97. Like I said earlier. If you are going to college or working in an office. Then you would have to use MS word 2016. If it's just for your own purpose then use what you got.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: October-11-17 8:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i can use radio and listen online without flash and use my windows xp.
dont worry, gene i think that windows xp works for you in these situations!
about dropbox and online cloude, the reason of forcing update! its the main reason that i never use social medias and cloude services!

On 10/12/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
No one's depriving anyone of anything. People can use any technology
they want if it meets their needs and doesn't cause public problems.
You couldn't drive a Stanley Steamer on a modern highway because,
presumably, it couldn't go fast enough. But with computers and
operating systems, you are free to use anything you want. But if you
want to use software that is unsupported by old technology and if you
want to interact with people who use new programs that aren't
supported by old versions of whatever operating system you are using,
then you have to use something that can work with the programs. You
aren't going to be able to work in business if you use Word
97 and are working with people who use Word 2016.

One reason I use XP{ is because there are two programs I much prefer
to use XP compatible versions of. But that's for my own use. When I
want to use Drop Box, rather than fool around with their not fully
accessible and clumsy for blind people to use web site, I use my
Windows 7 machine so I can use the computer application. If I want to
hear music streamed well from a site that uses HTML5, I use my Windows
7 machine because it appears that Windows XP doesn't work well with
HTML5. Fortunately, so far, most of what I stream doesn't require
HTML5 but as time goes on, increasing numbers of things will no longer
be available to me if I use my XP machines. So over time, I expect that I will gradually use a new version of Windows more.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


i said that using and selecting one technology, software and operating
system is freedom of choice and be related to every person to update
or not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I disagree. It's not about freedom of choice when it comes to old
systems.
Asking developers to keep maintaining ancient systems is like asking
a manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer washing machine.
Things change and you have to either move along with the change or
get left behind.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select
the favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!
noone should not force others to change, just because beeing uptodate
and jusg for change and new things to come!

On 10/10/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
Probably both! :-)

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


Um... erudite or luddite?

Antony.

On Tuesday 10 October 2017 at 18:59:03, Brian wrote:

I'm a bit of erudite as well. I enjoy playing with new stuff, but
if I'm trying to get stuff done the muscle memory used for reading
emails and other stuff takes a lot to relearn so why bother when
its still working.
Brian
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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org


Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Arlene
 

Yeah, if you are using MS word it does matter what yu use. The company or companies that are business would use up to date MS word. If you are using it just for your own purposes then don’t update if you don’t want to. Even if I worked at an office. I'd get MS word or outlook 2016.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: October-11-17 8:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

for me even it relates to my beliefs that i cant update many things!
i only use anything that i need and want, not only update for just update!

On 10/12/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 08:04 pm, zahra wrote:


i said that using and selecting one technology, software and
operating system is freedom of choice and be related to every person
to update or not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!
Repeating the untenable will not make it true. You don't have this
"legitimate right" in reference to myriad things that we all use in
day to day life. We use what is available where we live and supported
where we live. We do not get to choose what is available and
supported. This is true for cars, appliances, power tools (says
anyone who's been dealing with the changing battery technology for the
last several decades - and that applies to computers too), and the list goes on and on.

You are free to update or not as you see fit. You are not free to
demand that the rest of the world put itself out to make it easy for
you to do as you see fit. It is not your right to demand that the
rest of the world conform to you. You must conform to the rest of the
world, or suffer the consequences of not doing so. This is not about
morals, or religion, but about dealing with the reality of change - which is constant.

--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot
level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

* * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* *
But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound
truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org


Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

 

i can use radio and listen online without flash and use my windows xp.
dont worry, gene i think that windows xp works for you in these situations!
about dropbox and online cloude, the reason of forcing update! its the
main reason that i never use social medias and cloude services!

On 10/12/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
No one's depriving anyone of anything. People can use any technology they
want if it meets their needs and doesn't cause public problems. You
couldn't drive a Stanley Steamer on a modern highway because, presumably, it
couldn't go fast enough. But with computers and operating systems, you are
free to use anything you want. But if you want to use software that is
unsupported by old technology and if you want to interact with people who
use new programs that aren't supported by old versions of whatever operating
system you are using, then you have to use something that can work with the
programs. You aren't going to be able to work in business if you use Word
97 and are working with people who use Word 2016.

One reason I use XP{ is because there are two programs I much prefer to use
XP compatible versions of. But that's for my own use. When I want to use
Drop Box, rather than fool around with their not fully accessible and clumsy
for blind people to use web site, I use my Windows 7 machine so I can use
the computer application. If I want to hear music streamed well from a site
that uses HTML5, I use my Windows 7 machine because it appears that Windows
XP doesn't work well with HTML5. Fortunately, so far, most of what I stream
doesn't require HTML5 but as time goes on, increasing numbers of things will
no longer be available to me if I use my XP machines. So over time, I
expect that I will gradually use a new version of Windows more.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


i said that using and selecting one technology, software and operating
system is freedom of choice and be related to every person to update
or not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I disagree. It's not about freedom of choice when it comes to old
systems.
Asking developers to keep maintaining ancient systems is like asking a
manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer washing machine.
Things change and you have to either move along with the change or get
left
behind.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select the
favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!
noone should not force others to change, just because beeing uptodate and
jusg for change and new things to come!

On 10/10/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
Probably both! :-)

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


Um... erudite or luddite?

Antony.

On Tuesday 10 October 2017 at 18:59:03, Brian wrote:

I'm a bit of erudite as well. I enjoy playing with new stuff, but if
I'm trying to get stuff done the muscle memory used for reading
emails and other stuff takes a lot to relearn so why bother when its
still working.
Brian
--
I thought of going into banking, until I lost interest.

Please reply to the
list;
please
*don't* CC

me.






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Gene
 

No one's depriving anyone of anything.  People can use any technology they want if it meets their needs and doesn't cause public problems.  You couldn't drive a Stanley Steamer on a modern highway because, presumably, it couldn't go fast enough.  But with computers and operating systems, you are free to use anything you want.  But if you want to use software that is unsupported by old technology and if you want to interact with people who use new programs that aren't supported by old versions of whatever operating system you are using, then you have to use something that can work with the programs.  You aren't going to be able to work in business if you use Word 97 and are working with people who use Word 2016. 
 
One reason I use XP{ is because there are two programs I much prefer to use XP compatible versions of.  But that's for my own use.  When I want to use Drop Box, rather than fool around with their not fully accessible and clumsy for blind people to use web site, I use my Windows 7 machine so I can use the computer application.  If I want to hear music streamed well from a site that uses HTML5, I use my Windows 7 machine because it appears that Windows XP doesn't work well with HTML5.  Fortunately, so far, most of what I stream doesn't require HTML5 but as time goes on, increasing numbers of things will no longer be available to me if I use my XP machines.  So over time, I expect that I will gradually use a new version of Windows more. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i said that using and selecting one technology, software and operating
system is freedom of choice and be related to every person to update
or not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
> I disagree. It's not about freedom of choice when it comes to old systems.
> Asking developers to keep maintaining ancient systems is like asking a
> manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer washing machine.
> Things change and you have to either move along with the change or get left
> behind.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:25 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>
> i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
> its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select the
> favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!
> noone should not force others to change, just because beeing uptodate and
> jusg for change and new things to come!
>
> On 10/10/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> <bglists@...> wrote:
>> Probably both! :-)
>>
>>  Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>
>>
>>> Um... erudite or luddite?
>>>
>>> Antony.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday 10 October 2017 at 18:59:03, Brian wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm a bit of erudite as well. I enjoy playing with new stuff, but if
>>>> I'm trying to get stuff done the muscle memory used for reading
>>>> emails and other stuff takes a lot to relearn so why bother when its
>>>> still working.
>>>> Brian
>>>
>>> --
>>> I thought of going into banking, until I lost interest.
>>>
>>>                                                   Please reply to the
>>> list;
>>>                                                         please
>>> *don't* CC
>>>
>>> me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
> indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> www.al-islam.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org



Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

 

for me even it relates to my beliefs that i cant update many things!
i only use anything that i need and want, not only update for just update!

On 10/12/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 08:04 pm, zahra wrote:


i said that using and selecting one technology, software and operating
system is freedom of choice and be related to every person to update
or not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!
Repeating the untenable will not make it true.   You don't have this
"legitimate right" in reference to myriad things that we all use in day to
day life.  We use what is available where we live and supported where we
live.  We do not get to choose what is available and supported.  This is
true for cars, appliances, power tools (says anyone who's been dealing with
the changing battery technology for the last several decades - and that
applies to computers too), and the list goes on and on.

You are free to update or not as you see fit.  You are not free to demand
that the rest of the world put itself out to make it easy for you to do as
you see fit.  It is not your right to demand that the rest of the world
conform to you.  You must conform to the rest of the world, or suffer the
consequences of not doing so.  This is not about morals, or religion, but
about dealing with the reality of change - which is constant.

--
Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on
request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

*     * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* *  But
the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound truth.*

*           ~ * *Niels Bohr*
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: idea for libreOffice

 

hi.
openoffice does not require java access briedge since version 4.1.0
and for libreoffice in version 4.3.0
hope that help, God bless you!

On 10/12/17, Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:
As was already explained, that piece of software is no longer needed,
and hasn't been needed for a couple years now.


There are many other things to be done, however. They have already taken
care of the Java Access Bridge deal.



------------------------------------------------------------------------


On 10/11/2017 6:24 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

It's possible your idea might make libre office more stable.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Josh Kennedy
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:39 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] idea for libreOffice

I had an idea. Not sure if this would make libreoffice more stable and
functional or not but here it goes.

Rather than libreoffice and openoffice relying on the java access
bridge, both libreoffice and openoffice should have a feature to
detect when NVDA is loaded. If loaded, libreoffice could probably run
much more stable and provide much better accessibility if it directly
used the NVDA controller client to provide direct accessibility by
having NVDA braille and speak exactly what needs spoken and or
brailled. This may enable the reading of charts and graphs in calc,
better access in writer, complete access to impress, and the math
tools. Not sure if this will go anywhere. But it was just an idea. And
if it works we would have two excellent 100% accessible up to date and
free office suites that, just as a braille notetaker like the
brailleNote speaks exactly what is needed when needed, no more no
less, same with braille... So if libreoffice and or openoffice used
NVDA controller client rather than java access bridge which may be the
cause of its instability? Then perhaps NVDA would work great with
these applications.

Josh

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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

 

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 08:04 pm, zahra wrote:
i said that using and selecting one technology, software and operating
system is freedom of choice and be related to every person to update
or not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!
Repeating the untenable will not make it true.   You don't have this "legitimate right" in reference to myriad things that we all use in day to day life.  We use what is available where we live and supported where we live.  We do not get to choose what is available and supported.  This is true for cars, appliances, power tools (says anyone who's been dealing with the changing battery technology for the last several decades - and that applies to computers too), and the list goes on and on.

You are free to update or not as you see fit.  You are not free to demand that the rest of the world put itself out to make it easy for you to do as you see fit.  It is not your right to demand that the rest of the world conform to you.  You must conform to the rest of the world, or suffer the consequences of not doing so.  This is not about morals, or religion, but about dealing with the reality of change - which is constant.

--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

 

i said that using and selecting one technology, software and operating
system is freedom of choice and be related to every person to update
or not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I disagree. It's not about freedom of choice when it comes to old systems.
Asking developers to keep maintaining ancient systems is like asking a
manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer washing machine.
Things change and you have to either move along with the change or get left
behind.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select the
favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!
noone should not force others to change, just because beeing uptodate and
jusg for change and new things to come!

On 10/10/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
Probably both! :-)

Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


Um... erudite or luddite?

Antony.

On Tuesday 10 October 2017 at 18:59:03, Brian wrote:

I'm a bit of erudite as well. I enjoy playing with new stuff, but if
I'm trying to get stuff done the muscle memory used for reading
emails and other stuff takes a lot to relearn so why bother when its
still working.
Brian
--
I thought of going into banking, until I lost interest.

Please reply to the
list;
please
*don't* CC

me.






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: Issues with Windows 10 upgrades

Tony Ballou
 

Hi allie,


The dilemma you appear to be facing is a audio drivers error. Like
windows 10, they may also need to be updated. Because this is a
refurbished system, You can try to use the device manager applet to find
the correct audio driver, if that doesn't solve the issue, it may be
time to upgrade some of the hardware.


Tony

On 10/5/2017 9:23 AM, Mallard wrote:
Hello all,

My machine (a desktop from HP, which was bought refurbished, and has
12GB of ram at the moment) doesn't seem to want to upgrade to Creator.
It has been attempiting to do the updates, but every time it says
there's an error, and can't complete the procedure.

It gives me the following error:

Error: 0x8007001f

I searched for the code on teh web, and so did my husband, but we
didn't come up with anything viable.

Has anyone, by any chance, experienced somehting like this, and how
did you solve it, if you did at all?

Thanks, ciao,
Ollie



Re: Issues with Windows 10 upgrades

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Allie,


Sorry I'm getting to this so late.  If possible, I'd like to help, can
you contact me off list. I've had similar problems with windows 10
updates and just got them straightened out by updating the video card in
my desktop.


Tony

On 10/5/2017 9:23 AM, Mallard wrote:
Hello all,

My machine (a desktop from HP, which was bought refurbished, and has
12GB of ram at the moment) doesn't seem to want to upgrade to Creator.
It has been attempiting to do the updates, but every time it says
there's an error, and can't complete the procedure.

It gives me the following error:

Error: 0x8007001f

I searched for the code on teh web, and so did my husband, but we
didn't come up with anything viable.

Has anyone, by any chance, experienced somehting like this, and how
did you solve it, if you did at all?

Thanks, ciao,
Ollie



Re: A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

Tony Ballou
 

Hi John,


As a former computer instructor who has gone tech, I can tell you that
it pays to have at least one backup screen reader in your arsenal. Just
last week, I was filling out a survey on the Microsoft site using NVDA
and it didn't read things correctly. I switched to window eyes 9.54 to
read the same survey and it read things without a hitch, window eyes has
saved me in a couple of earlier situations as well. NVDA is still my
main screen reader of choice, however, I'll say it again, it does not
hurt to have a backup screen reader.


Tony

On 10/7/2017 3:55 PM, John Isige wrote:
Hi all. Over the years I've heard several of you say that multiple
screen readers are a good thing, so much so that some have advocated
keeping demo copies installed, just in case. So I have a question. Can
you give specific cases where this is useful?


I ask this because I started using NVDA full time because I decided to
try it for a month. During that time, I ran into one or two things
where NVDA didn't read text, I think installers and the like but I
can't remember exactly, since it was like three or four years ago. I'd
fire up JFW, and it would produce the exact same results. That
demonstrated, to me at least, that I didn't get any real advantages
out of running jaws.


Now don't misunderstand me. I'm not trying to start a fight here. I'm
not saying that jaws is bad or anything. I'm just saying that when I
ran into potential issues with NVDA, jaws didn't solve those issues
either. Since NVDA was doing everything else I wanted, I concluded
that switching wouldn't cause me to lose any access. So I'm curious to
know what things you might gain access to with jaws or another screen
reader that you can't get with NVDA. I suppose the obvious example
would be anything with jaws scripts, I don't know if things like
Dolphin have scripts or not. But I mean, I've just heard people
advocate this, like I've said, you know have a demo copy installed and
stuff like that. So I'd just like to hear of any specific cases where
another screenreader has helped. I think it would be really useful to
know that kind of thing.




Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I disagree. It's not about freedom of choice when it comes to old systems. Asking developers to keep maintaining ancient systems is like asking a manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer washing machine. Things change and you have to either move along with the change or get left behind.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select the favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!
noone should not force others to change, just because beeing uptodate and jusg for change and new things to come!

On 10/10/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
Probably both! :-)

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


Um... erudite or luddite?

Antony.

On Tuesday 10 October 2017 at 18:59:03, Brian wrote:

I'm a bit of erudite as well. I enjoy playing with new stuff, but if
I'm trying to get stuff done the muscle memory used for reading
emails and other stuff takes a lot to relearn so why bother when its still working.
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Re: Please, give me your LibreOffice issues

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Quentin,


One area of Libre office that gives me problems is when you press f5, it goes into a navigator.  There's not much accessibility in there and it also wouldn't hurt to be able to use the go to feature like you would in Microsoft Word.


Cheers.


Tony


On 10/9/2017 9:08 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

I'm having a look at our LibreOffice issues, and also LibreOffice's NVDA issues.  So, if anyone has any bugs or issues with LibreOffice and NVDA, now would be a great time to raise them so I can capture the current state of play.

I have been working through our issues tagged with LibreOffice: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/labels/libreoffice

and The Document Foundation's issues with NVDA: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=nvda

If you haven't already reported an issue in either of those places, even if you've previously raised it here, please let me know, just to make sure I don't miss it.

Regards

Quentin.

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Re: New version of espeak NG

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I just had a look at the master snapshot whats new section and it mentions.


• Espeak-ng has been updated (to commit 01919cd48a566cdf34347784b2e74554b376e900), this resolves some issues with producing release builds. (#7385)


it does not mention any thing about new languages yet but there is still a few weeks to go before they lock it down where noting gets added.


Gene nz



On 10/12/2017 10:25 AM, Marco Oros wrote:
Hi!
I know, that some people dislike Espeak, but I have a question.
Have You update Espeak NG in the next version of NVDA to the new version?
I don't know, where to ask this question, so I rather ask It here.
There are also new languages too, some inprovements for another languages also.
Thank You.
Marco Oros




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Re: Questions about embedded photos in email

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Deborah,

If you navigate graphic by graphic, then yes, you will know of all images. You can use the new OCR feature in NVDA to check each graphic. However, I use the following script to pull images from outlook and recognize them. Keep the message that you want to check open. You can modify the below script to save the images into a folder so that you have better control.

#-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
# Name: module1
# Purpose:
#
# Author: Pranav Lal
#
# Created: 27/03/2015
# Copyright: (c) user 2015
# Licence: <your licence>

import win32com.client
import os
from PIL import Image

import pytesseract
import imghdr
import tempfile

def isImage(fp):
result=''
try:
result=imghdr.what(fp)
except:
pass
return result
def recogniseFile(fp):
img=Image.open(fp)
img1=img.convert('L')

print(pytesseract.image_to_string(img1))


def main():
pass

if __name__ == '__main__':
main()
o=win32com.client.Dispatch("Outlook.Application")
tp=tempfile.gettempdir()
curSel=o.ActiveExplorer()
curMSG=curSel.Selection.Item(1)
attachments=curMSG.Attachments
for attachment in attachments:
t=os.path.join(tp, attachment.FileName)
attachment.SaveAsFile(t)
r=isImage(t)
if not r:
pass
else:
recogniseFile(t)

os.remove(t)

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 1:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Questions about embedded photos in email

I'm editing a newsletter for an all-volunteer organization. Everyone keeps sending me pictures embedded in email rather than attachments.


My husband, who is sighted explained that they just drag and drop the
picture in to the email and that's why it shows as part of the email
rather than an attachment.


I have someone else doing the layout, but I'm frustrated that I might be
missing some of the photos. I mean can I be absolutely sure that a
screen reader will tell me when a photo is there and let me right-click
on it to save it as a separate file?


I use Windows 10 mail, Windows Live Mail and Thunderbird. I'm not
entirely happy with any of them; I use Outlook and JAWS at work with
fewer access glitches.


But at home it's NVDA and Narrator on Windows 10 with these clients.


What are thoughts from others on the list?


--Debee


Re: using NVDA with live chat

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


not sure about the pace you mentioned but have used it in quite a few places online if available

When you go into it what ever you type appears above that also includes what the person says. to go between the section it is usually shift/tab key to go to where the conversation is then either tab or arrow back down to type in your message. You just need to review what is said usually with the arrow keys.


sorry apart from that they are easy to use.


gene nz

.


On 10/12/2017 5:19 AM, Ashley Wayne wrote:
Hello everyone, hope all is well.  I was just wondering if anyone had success using NVDA with the live chat option for contact/support; in my case, I need to contact comcast and would rather use the chat option as I find that it is often faster than waiting on hold with the phone.  Anyway, I would normally just test it out for myself but I didn't want to be starting a chat with a representative and then realize I couldn't effectively communicate with them, so just thought I would ask here first to see if anyone had experience, good or bad.  Thanks so much.

Ashley






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Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Brian,

 

I do understand where you're coming from. These unreasonable people can't keep asking the software developers to keep an old system going when it's no longer supported. That's like asking someone to try to find a part for an old wringer washing machine. It can't be done because they don't have those washers anymore.

 

Yes, things do change and like the old saying goes, "you have to go with the flow".

 

As far as email programs, I'm using outlook 2013 which does have the ribbon and I'm not having a problem with it.

 

I know we've had some disagreements in the past but I totally back you up where this unreasonable person is concerned. This will be my last word on the subject.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 4:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

 

Rosemarie,
 
        I hasten to add that my comments are not meant to "poke fun" at the attitude expressed but to highlight the impossibility of anyone, "maintaining all old ancient technology forever," and trying to equate efforts to do so with, "freedom of choice for every person." It isn't possible and it has nothing to do with freedom of choice. Things, including software, have eras and service lives. What I find really galling, and actually stupid, is the idea that others have an obligation to act irrationally in an effort to maintain programs and technologies that have not been current for well over a decade now (which is like a century or more in tech time).

        I have helped any number of people who were forced by circumstances, even temporary ones, to keep things afloat until they could work out the logistics of moving on in a way that caused the least pain.  It's never painless.

        But I adamantly refuse to countenance the idea that professionals, in any field, are under any obligation to keep trying to keep something going that has long been "past its expiration date" because there are a few unreasonable people who simply will not move on.  It's even worse when they won't move on because of personal preference for something now abandoned.  That's one of the reasons I repeatedly snap back at the whining about ribbons and the endless love of "Identities" in Outlook Express that never caught on anywhere else.   Those battles are over - way over - and you, for any you, would do well to spend your time learning what is current and appears likely to be supported into the foreseeable future, not complaining about them.

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Re: Mail Program Suggestions

Gene
 

Googling may not give you enough information about the modified version that runs in higher versions of Windows.  Many people have problems with Outlook Express in Windows 7 and higher.  You can play with the version that has been modified to work in higher versions of Windows but whether you have problems that amount to anything is something you'll have to see.  For many users, I see no reason to cling to this old e-mail program with other good alternatives unless you put a lot of importance on identities.  If you have a lot of folders and want to use first letter navigation, that may be another reason to use Outlook Express but you may have problems ranging from DBX corruption to others which may or may not be easy to solve. 
 
As far as identities are concerned, I haven't worked with identities and I can't comment on where they might be useful. 
 
The modified Outlook Express is put out by a person and the person is now asking for "donations" because he can't legally charge for a program he doesn't own.  If you want to try an older free version before the person decided to ask for "donations", you can download a free version at the Whitestick site.  I'll check and provide the link if you have questions.
 
But if you don't want to fool around with Outlook Express, you may find Windows Live Mail to be a good option.  Some people have a crashing problem with the program but many people don't.  I've been using it for many years and I'm very satisfied with it.  There is an older menu version and a newer ribbon version.  I don't think I have information about where to get the newer ribbon version but one or more people on the list do.  I do have information about where to get the older menu version, if desired.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mail Program Suggestions

Some people are still useing Outlook express. It is being kept alive by
someone out there... Just google it.
On 10/11/2017 1:29 PM, Earle Zwicker wrote:
> Just wondering what programs people are using for mail? I have Windows 10 creater, and I still haven't found something I'm completely happy with.
>
> I've tried Thunder bird, but found it to be a bit sluggish.
>
> I've also tried the mail program that's built in, but for some reason message threads are open by default, and I don't see an option to change this behaviour.
>
> So if anyone has any suggestions on how I can fix these problems, or another email program, I would really appreciate it. Thanks for any help you can give me.
>
> Earle
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>

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Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

 

Rosemarie,
 
        I hasten to add that my comments are not meant to "poke fun" at the attitude expressed but to highlight the impossibility of anyone, "maintaining all old ancient technology forever," and trying to equate efforts to do so with, "freedom of choice for every person." It isn't possible and it has nothing to do with freedom of choice. Things, including software, have eras and service lives. What I find really galling, and actually stupid, is the idea that others have an obligation to act irrationally in an effort to maintain programs and technologies that have not been current for well over a decade now (which is like a century or more in tech time).

        I have helped any number of people who were forced by circumstances, even temporary ones, to keep things afloat until they could work out the logistics of moving on in a way that caused the least pain.  It's never painless.

        But I adamantly refuse to countenance the idea that professionals, in any field, are under any obligation to keep trying to keep something going that has long been "past its expiration date" because there are a few unreasonable people who simply will not move on.  It's even worse when they won't move on because of personal preference for something now abandoned.  That's one of the reasons I repeatedly snap back at the whining about ribbons and the endless love of "Identities" in Outlook Express that never caught on anywhere else.   Those battles are over - way over - and you, for any you, would do well to spend your time learning what is current and appears likely to be supported into the foreseeable future, not complaining about them.

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Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,

 

I love that bit about the ice box and horse and buggie and communication by telegram. Oh--don't forget the log cabin with no running water, no indoor plumbing and no electricity--hahahahahahahahaha. Ordinarily I don't like to make fun of people but I don't understand why someone would want to keep an old system that isn't supported anymore. I know that there are organizations out there that can help blind people get either new or refurvished computers if they can't afford a new one. After all, the world does change and we have to move with it.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 6:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

 

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 11:24 pm, zahra wrote:

i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select the
favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!

Good luck with that.

I hope you enjoy your icebox, that horse and buggy you have, and sending communications by telegraph.

The world changes and the wise change with it.
 
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