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Re: Issues with Windows 10 upgrades

Tony Ballou
 

Hi allie,


The dilemma you appear to be facing is a audio drivers error. Like
windows 10, they may also need to be updated. Because this is a
refurbished system, You can try to use the device manager applet to find
the correct audio driver, if that doesn't solve the issue, it may be
time to upgrade some of the hardware.


Tony

On 10/5/2017 9:23 AM, Mallard wrote:
Hello all,

My machine (a desktop from HP, which was bought refurbished, and has
12GB of ram at the moment) doesn't seem to want to upgrade to Creator.
It has been attempiting to do the updates, but every time it says
there's an error, and can't complete the procedure.

It gives me the following error:

Error: 0x8007001f

I searched for the code on teh web, and so did my husband, but we
didn't come up with anything viable.

Has anyone, by any chance, experienced somehting like this, and how
did you solve it, if you did at all?

Thanks, ciao,
Ollie
Re: Issues with Windows 10 upgrades

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Allie,


Sorry I'm getting to this so late.  If possible, I'd like to help, can
you contact me off list. I've had similar problems with windows 10
updates and just got them straightened out by updating the video card in
my desktop.


Tony

On 10/5/2017 9:23 AM, Mallard wrote:
Hello all,

My machine (a desktop from HP, which was bought refurbished, and has
12GB of ram at the moment) doesn't seem to want to upgrade to Creator.
It has been attempiting to do the updates, but every time it says
there's an error, and can't complete the procedure.

It gives me the following error:

Error: 0x8007001f

I searched for the code on teh web, and so did my husband, but we
didn't come up with anything viable.

Has anyone, by any chance, experienced somehting like this, and how
did you solve it, if you did at all?

Thanks, ciao,
Ollie
Re: A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

Tony Ballou
 

Hi John,


As a former computer instructor who has gone tech, I can tell you that
it pays to have at least one backup screen reader in your arsenal. Just
last week, I was filling out a survey on the Microsoft site using NVDA
and it didn't read things correctly. I switched to window eyes 9.54 to
read the same survey and it read things without a hitch, window eyes has
saved me in a couple of earlier situations as well. NVDA is still my
main screen reader of choice, however, I'll say it again, it does not
hurt to have a backup screen reader.


Tony

On 10/7/2017 3:55 PM, John Isige wrote:
Hi all. Over the years I've heard several of you say that multiple
screen readers are a good thing, so much so that some have advocated
keeping demo copies installed, just in case. So I have a question. Can
you give specific cases where this is useful?


I ask this because I started using NVDA full time because I decided to
try it for a month. During that time, I ran into one or two things
where NVDA didn't read text, I think installers and the like but I
can't remember exactly, since it was like three or four years ago. I'd
fire up JFW, and it would produce the exact same results. That
demonstrated, to me at least, that I didn't get any real advantages
out of running jaws.


Now don't misunderstand me. I'm not trying to start a fight here. I'm
not saying that jaws is bad or anything. I'm just saying that when I
ran into potential issues with NVDA, jaws didn't solve those issues
either. Since NVDA was doing everything else I wanted, I concluded
that switching wouldn't cause me to lose any access. So I'm curious to
know what things you might gain access to with jaws or another screen
reader that you can't get with NVDA. I suppose the obvious example
would be anything with jaws scripts, I don't know if things like
Dolphin have scripts or not. But I mean, I've just heard people
advocate this, like I've said, you know have a demo copy installed and
stuff like that. So I'd just like to hear of any specific cases where
another screenreader has helped. I think it would be really useful to
know that kind of thing.
Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I disagree. It's not about freedom of choice when it comes to old systems. Asking developers to keep maintaining ancient systems is like asking a manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer washing machine. Things change and you have to either move along with the change or get left behind.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select the favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!
noone should not force others to change, just because beeing uptodate and jusg for change and new things to come!

On 10/10/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Probably both! :-)

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


Um... erudite or luddite?

Antony.

On Tuesday 10 October 2017 at 18:59:03, Brian wrote:

I'm a bit of erudite as well. I enjoy playing with new stuff, but if
I'm trying to get stuff done the muscle memory used for reading
emails and other stuff takes a lot to relearn so why bother when its still working.
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Re: Please, give me your LibreOffice issues

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Quentin,


One area of Libre office that gives me problems is when you press f5, it goes into a navigator.  There's not much accessibility in there and it also wouldn't hurt to be able to use the go to feature like you would in Microsoft Word.


Cheers.


Tony


On 10/9/2017 9:08 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

I'm having a look at our LibreOffice issues, and also LibreOffice's NVDA issues.  So, if anyone has any bugs or issues with LibreOffice and NVDA, now would be a great time to raise them so I can capture the current state of play.

I have been working through our issues tagged with LibreOffice: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/labels/libreoffice

and The Document Foundation's issues with NVDA: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=nvda

If you haven't already reported an issue in either of those places, even if you've previously raised it here, please let me know, just to make sure I don't miss it.

Regards

Quentin.

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Re: New version of espeak NG

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I just had a look at the master snapshot whats new section and it mentions.


• Espeak-ng has been updated (to commit 01919cd48a566cdf34347784b2e74554b376e900), this resolves some issues with producing release builds. (#7385)


it does not mention any thing about new languages yet but there is still a few weeks to go before they lock it down where noting gets added.


Gene nz



On 10/12/2017 10:25 AM, Marco Oros wrote:
Hi!
I know, that some people dislike Espeak, but I have a question.
Have You update Espeak NG in the next version of NVDA to the new version?
I don't know, where to ask this question, so I rather ask It here.
There are also new languages too, some inprovements for another languages also.
Thank You.
Marco Oros




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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

Re: Questions about embedded photos in email

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Deborah,

If you navigate graphic by graphic, then yes, you will know of all images. You can use the new OCR feature in NVDA to check each graphic. However, I use the following script to pull images from outlook and recognize them. Keep the message that you want to check open. You can modify the below script to save the images into a folder so that you have better control.

#-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
# Name: module1
# Purpose:
#
# Author: Pranav Lal
#
# Created: 27/03/2015
# Copyright: (c) user 2015
# Licence: <your licence>

import win32com.client
import os
from PIL import Image

import pytesseract
import imghdr
import tempfile

def isImage(fp):
result=''
try:
result=imghdr.what(fp)
except:
pass
return result
def recogniseFile(fp):
img=Image.open(fp)
img1=img.convert('L')

print(pytesseract.image_to_string(img1))


def main():
pass

if __name__ == '__main__':
main()
o=win32com.client.Dispatch("Outlook.Application")
tp=tempfile.gettempdir()
curSel=o.ActiveExplorer()
curMSG=curSel.Selection.Item(1)
attachments=curMSG.Attachments
for attachment in attachments:
t=os.path.join(tp, attachment.FileName)
attachment.SaveAsFile(t)
r=isImage(t)
if not r:
pass
else:
recogniseFile(t)

os.remove(t)

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 1:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Questions about embedded photos in email

I'm editing a newsletter for an all-volunteer organization. Everyone keeps sending me pictures embedded in email rather than attachments.


My husband, who is sighted explained that they just drag and drop the
picture in to the email and that's why it shows as part of the email
rather than an attachment.


I have someone else doing the layout, but I'm frustrated that I might be
missing some of the photos. I mean can I be absolutely sure that a
screen reader will tell me when a photo is there and let me right-click
on it to save it as a separate file?


I use Windows 10 mail, Windows Live Mail and Thunderbird. I'm not
entirely happy with any of them; I use Outlook and JAWS at work with
fewer access glitches.


But at home it's NVDA and Narrator on Windows 10 with these clients.


What are thoughts from others on the list?


--Debee
Re: using NVDA with live chat

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


not sure about the pace you mentioned but have used it in quite a few places online if available

When you go into it what ever you type appears above that also includes what the person says. to go between the section it is usually shift/tab key to go to where the conversation is then either tab or arrow back down to type in your message. You just need to review what is said usually with the arrow keys.


sorry apart from that they are easy to use.


gene nz

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On 10/12/2017 5:19 AM, Ashley Wayne wrote:
Hello everyone, hope all is well.  I was just wondering if anyone had success using NVDA with the live chat option for contact/support; in my case, I need to contact comcast and would rather use the chat option as I find that it is often faster than waiting on hold with the phone.  Anyway, I would normally just test it out for myself but I didn't want to be starting a chat with a representative and then realize I couldn't effectively communicate with them, so just thought I would ask here first to see if anyone had experience, good or bad.  Thanks so much.

Ashley






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Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Brian,

 

I do understand where you're coming from. These unreasonable people can't keep asking the software developers to keep an old system going when it's no longer supported. That's like asking someone to try to find a part for an old wringer washing machine. It can't be done because they don't have those washers anymore.

 

Yes, things do change and like the old saying goes, "you have to go with the flow".

 

As far as email programs, I'm using outlook 2013 which does have the ribbon and I'm not having a problem with it.

 

I know we've had some disagreements in the past but I totally back you up where this unreasonable person is concerned. This will be my last word on the subject.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 4:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

 

Rosemarie,
 
        I hasten to add that my comments are not meant to "poke fun" at the attitude expressed but to highlight the impossibility of anyone, "maintaining all old ancient technology forever," and trying to equate efforts to do so with, "freedom of choice for every person." It isn't possible and it has nothing to do with freedom of choice. Things, including software, have eras and service lives. What I find really galling, and actually stupid, is the idea that others have an obligation to act irrationally in an effort to maintain programs and technologies that have not been current for well over a decade now (which is like a century or more in tech time).

        I have helped any number of people who were forced by circumstances, even temporary ones, to keep things afloat until they could work out the logistics of moving on in a way that caused the least pain.  It's never painless.

        But I adamantly refuse to countenance the idea that professionals, in any field, are under any obligation to keep trying to keep something going that has long been "past its expiration date" because there are a few unreasonable people who simply will not move on.  It's even worse when they won't move on because of personal preference for something now abandoned.  That's one of the reasons I repeatedly snap back at the whining about ribbons and the endless love of "Identities" in Outlook Express that never caught on anywhere else.   Those battles are over - way over - and you, for any you, would do well to spend your time learning what is current and appears likely to be supported into the foreseeable future, not complaining about them.

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Re: Mail Program Suggestions

Gene
 

Googling may not give you enough information about the modified version that runs in higher versions of Windows.  Many people have problems with Outlook Express in Windows 7 and higher.  You can play with the version that has been modified to work in higher versions of Windows but whether you have problems that amount to anything is something you'll have to see.  For many users, I see no reason to cling to this old e-mail program with other good alternatives unless you put a lot of importance on identities.  If you have a lot of folders and want to use first letter navigation, that may be another reason to use Outlook Express but you may have problems ranging from DBX corruption to others which may or may not be easy to solve. 
 
As far as identities are concerned, I haven't worked with identities and I can't comment on where they might be useful. 
 
The modified Outlook Express is put out by a person and the person is now asking for "donations" because he can't legally charge for a program he doesn't own.  If you want to try an older free version before the person decided to ask for "donations", you can download a free version at the Whitestick site.  I'll check and provide the link if you have questions.
 
But if you don't want to fool around with Outlook Express, you may find Windows Live Mail to be a good option.  Some people have a crashing problem with the program but many people don't.  I've been using it for many years and I'm very satisfied with it.  There is an older menu version and a newer ribbon version.  I don't think I have information about where to get the newer ribbon version but one or more people on the list do.  I do have information about where to get the older menu version, if desired.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mail Program Suggestions

Some people are still useing Outlook express. It is being kept alive by
someone out there... Just google it.
On 10/11/2017 1:29 PM, Earle Zwicker wrote:
> Just wondering what programs people are using for mail? I have Windows 10 creater, and I still haven't found something I'm completely happy with.
>
> I've tried Thunder bird, but found it to be a bit sluggish.
>
> I've also tried the mail program that's built in, but for some reason message threads are open by default, and I don't see an option to change this behaviour.
>
> So if anyone has any suggestions on how I can fix these problems, or another email program, I would really appreciate it. Thanks for any help you can give me.
>
> Earle
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>

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Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Brian Vogel
 

Rosemarie,
 
        I hasten to add that my comments are not meant to "poke fun" at the attitude expressed but to highlight the impossibility of anyone, "maintaining all old ancient technology forever," and trying to equate efforts to do so with, "freedom of choice for every person." It isn't possible and it has nothing to do with freedom of choice. Things, including software, have eras and service lives. What I find really galling, and actually stupid, is the idea that others have an obligation to act irrationally in an effort to maintain programs and technologies that have not been current for well over a decade now (which is like a century or more in tech time).

        I have helped any number of people who were forced by circumstances, even temporary ones, to keep things afloat until they could work out the logistics of moving on in a way that caused the least pain.  It's never painless.

        But I adamantly refuse to countenance the idea that professionals, in any field, are under any obligation to keep trying to keep something going that has long been "past its expiration date" because there are a few unreasonable people who simply will not move on.  It's even worse when they won't move on because of personal preference for something now abandoned.  That's one of the reasons I repeatedly snap back at the whining about ribbons and the endless love of "Identities" in Outlook Express that never caught on anywhere else.   Those battles are over - way over - and you, for any you, would do well to spend your time learning what is current and appears likely to be supported into the foreseeable future, not complaining about them.

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Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,

 

I love that bit about the ice box and horse and buggie and communication by telegram. Oh--don't forget the log cabin with no running water, no indoor plumbing and no electricity--hahahahahahahahaha. Ordinarily I don't like to make fun of people but I don't understand why someone would want to keep an old system that isn't supported anymore. I know that there are organizations out there that can help blind people get either new or refurvished computers if they can't afford a new one. After all, the world does change and we have to move with it.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 6:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

 

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 11:24 pm, zahra wrote:

i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select the
favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!

Good luck with that.

I hope you enjoy your icebox, that horse and buggy you have, and sending communications by telegraph.

The world changes and the wise change with it.
 
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Re: idea for libreOffice

Governor staten
 

As was already explained, that piece of software is no longer needed, and hasn't been needed for a couple years now.


There are many other things to be done, however. They have already taken care of the Java Access Bridge deal.




On 10/11/2017 6:24 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

It's possible your idea might make libre office more stable.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] idea for libreOffice

 

I had an idea. Not sure if this would make libreoffice more stable and functional or not but here it goes.

Rather than libreoffice and openoffice relying on the java access bridge, both libreoffice and openoffice should have a feature to detect when NVDA is loaded. If loaded, libreoffice could probably run much more stable and provide much better accessibility if it directly used the NVDA controller client to provide direct accessibility by having NVDA braille and speak exactly what needs spoken and or brailled. This may enable the reading of charts and graphs in calc, better access in writer, complete access to impress, and the math tools. Not sure if this will go anywhere. But it was just an idea. And if it works we would have two excellent 100% accessible up to date and free office suites that, just as a braille notetaker like the brailleNote speaks exactly what is needed when needed, no more no less, same with braille... So if libreoffice and or openoffice used NVDA controller client rather than java access bridge which may be the cause of its instability? Then perhaps NVDA would work great with these applications.

 

Josh

 

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Re: idea for libreOffice

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

It's possible your idea might make libre office more stable.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] idea for libreOffice

 

I had an idea. Not sure if this would make libreoffice more stable and functional or not but here it goes.

Rather than libreoffice and openoffice relying on the java access bridge, both libreoffice and openoffice should have a feature to detect when NVDA is loaded. If loaded, libreoffice could probably run much more stable and provide much better accessibility if it directly used the NVDA controller client to provide direct accessibility by having NVDA braille and speak exactly what needs spoken and or brailled. This may enable the reading of charts and graphs in calc, better access in writer, complete access to impress, and the math tools. Not sure if this will go anywhere. But it was just an idea. And if it works we would have two excellent 100% accessible up to date and free office suites that, just as a braille notetaker like the brailleNote speaks exactly what is needed when needed, no more no less, same with braille... So if libreoffice and or openoffice used NVDA controller client rather than java access bridge which may be the cause of its instability? Then perhaps NVDA would work great with these applications.

 

Josh

 

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Re: something people should be aware of

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I remember dog pile. It was a search engine. I heard about it through a friend.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] something people should be aware of

Anyone remember the search engine dogpile?

It was a search engine that would submit your search to several other search engines, then collate the results, and present them in one unified interface. Very nice, and I used it a lot. I was very disappointed when it went bye-bye. Another search engine I liked very much was findwhat. It rarely returned more than a page of results, and each and every time, the results were always relevant to what I was searching for. Even google doesn't give me that kind of return on my searches.


On 10/10/2017 5:07 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well I do hope we don't use all of them all at once.

However if you had them in some sort iof array and needed to do extra
queries about things then maybe.

Siri is quite acurate for apple googles one has a few more advantages,
amazons stuff is growing ms I don't know but yeah, if something used
all of them and then one of them gave the answer you needed that would
be good.

Obviously I hope one could just use which one he or she wanted, but
there is no reason that they all couldn't talk together about an
issue, ofcause there would be data and abattery things if all had to
upload to eachother but maybe it could be compressed.

Right now though if you have apple you have siri with google you have
google.

With samsung you have samsung whatever they use.

So as long as you don't install their apps of various things
technically who knows.

I do hope you can set control of whatever you have.

On the other hand if you could run all of them, then only have one
envoke with its word and well depending on where etc you chose.

Though if they all ran together hmmm.




On 10/10/2017 8:52 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
It only mentions the smart phone versions here. I unfortunately can
see a day when we have multiple voice and text accessible assistants
on every device, all arguing with each other about what you actually
wanted in the first place New scientist is calling AI Artificial
Ignorance, by the way.
I feel that we should be able to define the areas of our lives these
things can get involved in, and how long before some smarty pants
comes up with one that asks them all and presents all their answers
in a usable way.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss"
<sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 1:55 AM
Subject: [nvda] something people should be aware of


Hi.

was reading skype blogs and found this.

https://blogs.skype.com/news/2017/10/09/introducing-cortana-skype-mi
crosofts-intelligent-assistant-comes-chat-window/


I really hope that there will be a way to make this shove right off
if one wants to.

There is nothing worse than something bringing up suggestions and
thinking what to say, if I want this now then I can put several bits
of spyware and ransom ware on my system, and forget about skype.

While I see a benifit in this, I really hope we can envoke this at
will, if not then maybe I will have to use windows xp for skype
instead <sigh>







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Re: list boxes in NVDA

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I just updated firefox and it works great so-far.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ian Westerland
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA

Yes, I have Firefox which will need updating.
This is probably a good time to update my Browsers as it seems Internet Explorer is going to be phased out in favour of Edge.

Chrome is one I haven't investigated a great deal, but when I have, it hasn't been easy to get even a basic understanding.
So I'll start with Firefox. Windows 10 has just been upgraded so Microsoft Edge will be worth another look.

Oh, the joys and challenges of keeping up-to-date with computers and programs and many people think that those of us who are blind have nothing to do with our time.
Such are the myths still alive in our supposedly informed world.

Ian




On 10/12/2017 2:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I would heartily advise trying Firefox or Chrome as well. You can have
them all on the system with no issues.
I gave up on chrome myself but just because I could not get my brain
around the way to use it veery easily, not to condemn it for that of
course.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA




Hi!

Latest Internet Explorer


On 10/11/2017 9:18 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
What browser version has to be the next question.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA


Hi Antony.
It's an online review page.





On 10/11/2017 8:12 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Is this an online web page, a PDF they send you, a Word document,
or what?

Is there any way we can see the ratings system without being a
customer?

It always helps if we can see the same things as you're having
problems with so we can think of possible answers.


Antony.

On Wednesday 11 October 2017 at 11:10:20, Ian Westerland wrote:

Hello. So far so good. NVDA is working out nicely. One area causing
some difficulty is around list boxes.

I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings
system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.

NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers
in the boxes for me to complete the review.

There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review. I
can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or
the numbers in them.
Is there something I am doing wrong?

Thank you.


Ian Westerland
Re: Mail Program Suggestions

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Earl,

In the mail app you have to go to settings to turn off conversation mode. As
far as mail programs, I'm using outlook 2013.

Rosemarie

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Earle
Zwicker
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Mail Program Suggestions

Just wondering what programs people are using for mail? I have Windows 10
creater, and I still haven't found something I'm completely happy with.

I've tried Thunder bird, but found it to be a bit sluggish.

I've also tried the mail program that's built in, but for some reason
message threads are open by default, and I don't see an option to change
this behaviour.

So if anyone has any suggestions on how I can fix these problems, or another
email program, I would really appreciate it. Thanks for any help you can
give me.

Earle

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Marco Oros
 

Hi!
I know, that some people dislike Espeak, but I have a question.
Have You update Espeak NG in the next version of NVDA to the new version?
I don't know, where to ask this question, so I rather ask It here.
There are also new languages too, some inprovements for another languages also.
Thank You.
Marco Oros
Re: Mail Program Suggestions

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Some people are still useing Outlook express. It is being kept alive by someone out there... Just google it.

On 10/11/2017 1:29 PM, Earle Zwicker wrote:
Just wondering what programs people are using for mail? I have Windows 10 creater, and I still haven't found something I'm completely happy with.

I've tried Thunder bird, but found it to be a bit sluggish.

I've also tried the mail program that's built in, but for some reason message threads are open by default, and I don't see an option to change this behaviour.

So if anyone has any suggestions on how I can fix these problems, or another email program, I would really appreciate it. Thanks for any help you can give me.

Earle

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Mail Program Suggestions

Earle Zwicker
 

Just wondering what programs people are using for mail? I have Windows 10 creater, and I still haven't found something I'm completely happy with.

I've tried Thunder bird, but found it to be a bit sluggish.

I've also tried the mail program that's built in, but for some reason message threads are open by default, and I don't see an option to change this behaviour.

So if anyone has any suggestions on how I can fix these problems, or another email program, I would really appreciate it. Thanks for any help you can give me.

Earle

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