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Re: two errors in the last NVDA Next

Quentin Christensen
 

Could you use them in the previous version?  And are you getting an error, or a sound or anything indicating what is wrong?

If you could send me your log, I can have a look for you - quentin@....  Info on logs is available from: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 8:10 PM, Ângelo Abrantes <ampa4374@...> wrote:
he,


I'm using nvda Version: next-14511,339707cd

But I can't use handy tech Braille and vocalizer expressive.

What is happening?

Ângelo Abrantes


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Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Antony Stone
 

You do have the freedom of choice to update or not.

If you update, you can get the latest versions of software with all their new
features.

If you do not update you can stick with the old versions and all the
limitations and increasing incompatibilities with other software which those
old versions have.

But the choice is yours.

What is this "legitimate right" which you feel you're being deprived of?


Antony.

On Thursday 12 October 2017 at 05:04:44, zahra wrote:

i said that using and selecting one technology, software and operating
system is freedom of choice and be related to every person to update
or not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I disagree. It's not about freedom of choice when it comes to old
systems. Asking developers to keep maintaining ancient systems is like
asking a manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer
washing machine. Things change and you have to either move along with
the change or get left behind.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select the
favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!
noone should not force others to change, just because beeing uptodate and
jusg for change and new things to come!

On 10/10/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Probably both! :-)

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Um... erudite or luddite?

Antony.

On Tuesday 10 October 2017 at 18:59:03, Brian wrote:
I'm a bit of erudite as well. I enjoy playing with new stuff, but if
I'm trying to get stuff done the muscle memory used for reading
emails and other stuff takes a lot to relearn so why bother when its
still working.
Brian
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If you have to explain it, it means it doesn't work.

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two errors in the last NVDA Next

Ângelo Abrantes
 

he,


I'm using nvda Version: next-14511,339707cd

But I can't use handy tech Braille and vocalizer expressive.

What is happening?

Ângelo Abrantes


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Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

 

My gripe is not the os, I could really not care that much about the os.

I do care about the interface, I'd like a choice to be blunt.

I'd like to use windows as a kernal but choose the interface I used bits and bobs of one or more.

xp is a good interface, its simple and nice.

7 has a few extras like the start menu search box I like that part, the rest well I could leave that out to be honest.

10, I could care less for the 10 shell interface I like the first navigation letter things in start menu and how all groups are grouped and the settings app and the web ui interface but thats about it.

On 12/10/2017 5:18 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
It's one thing to want to stay with XP but don't demand that the rest of us conform to you. You don't have that right.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i said that using and selecting one technology, software and operating system is freedom of choice and be related to every person to update or not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I disagree. It's not about freedom of choice when it comes to old systems.
Asking developers to keep maintaining ancient systems is like asking a
manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer washing machine.
Things change and you have to either move along with the change or get
left behind.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select the
favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!
noone should not force others to change, just because beeing uptodate
and jusg for change and new things to come!

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From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


Um... erudite or luddite?

Antony.

On Tuesday 10 October 2017 at 18:59:03, Brian wrote:

I'm a bit of erudite as well. I enjoy playing with new stuff, but
if I'm trying to get stuff done the muscle memory used for reading
emails and other stuff takes a lot to relearn so why bother when
its still working.
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Re: idea for libreOffice

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it does not rely on it at all, well a tiny few little bits don't work but then I'm not sure if its anything to do with java, I suspect no
When I see errors nvda suggests the app module is called Symphony, as this is the code both are based on and as such that did not use the Java Access bridge at all.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 5:38 PM
Subject: [nvda] idea for libreOffice


I had an idea. Not sure if this would make libreoffice more stable and
functional or not but here it goes.

Rather than libreoffice and openoffice relying on the java access
bridge, both libreoffice and openoffice should have a feature to detect
when NVDA is loaded. If loaded, libreoffice could probably run much more
stable and provide much better accessibility if it directly used the
NVDA controller client to provide direct accessibility by having NVDA
braille and speak exactly what needs spoken and or brailled. This may
enable the reading of charts and graphs in calc, better access in
writer, complete access to impress, and the math tools. Not sure if this
will go anywhere. But it was just an idea. And if it works we would have
two excellent 100% accessible up to date and free office suites that,
just as a braille notetaker like the brailleNote speaks exactly what is
needed when needed, no more no less, same with braille... So if
libreoffice and or openoffice used NVDA controller client rather than
java access bridge which may be the cause of its instability? Then
perhaps NVDA would work great with these applications.


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Re: Requesting some information

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Which version of Google Drive. I've never found the need for one with the old type google drive. the new back up overkill bungled crashing heap they try to force on you now is not even work running as it crashes all the time. Of course this is my experience only.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 5:47 PM
Subject: [nvda] Requesting some information




Hello fellow nvda enthusiasts,

I recently was uploading media to my google drive, and was wondering,
If there was an nvda addon for google drive, similar to what there for dropbox,

Any help would be greatly appreciated,
Thank you so much,
Arvind This message is transmitted on 100% recycled electrons.


Re: Strange issue for xp users with last working versions

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It was the last one that still ran on xp. I've forgotten now. I also note that the last next does it as well.
Its not really an issue it just plays the falling tones twice for an unknown reason that is all.
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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange issue for xp users with last working versions


Hi Brian,

To me with XP, it has never happened, now use the master-14374,21b30868.
What is the version you are referring to?

Cheers
Adriano

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Subject: [nvda] Strange issue for xp users with last working versions


I don't know if anyone else has this, but I left the last supported master update installed on some machines, but now even if running 2017.3 on those machines, NVDA plays the shut down sound twice on all four machines.

Not a problem of course but very odd. the odd part is that the same working snaps have no such effect on Windows 7 at all.
Just one of those great mysteries of life and now support is gone, probably will remain that way!

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Re: list boxes in NVDA

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Try Firefoxx 55 32 bit if you can first. I find this quite reliable. I see we are being offered 57 beta but there have been issues reported about his one forcing 64 bit and also having navigation quirks.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Westerland" <iwesterl@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA


Yes, I have Firefox which will need updating.
This is probably a good time to update my Browsers as it seems Internet Explorer is going to be phased out in favour of Edge.

Chrome is one I haven't investigated a great deal, but when I have, it hasn't been easy to get even a basic understanding.
So I'll start with Firefox. Windows 10 has just been upgraded so Microsoft Edge will be worth another look.

Oh, the joys and challenges of keeping up-to-date with computers and programs and many people think that those of us who are blind have nothing to do with our time.
Such are the myths still alive in our supposedly informed world.

Ian




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I would heartily advise trying Firefox or Chrome as well. You can have them all on the system with no issues.
I gave up on chrome myself but just because I could not get my brain around the way to use it veery easily, not to condemn it for that of course.
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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA




Hi!

Latest Internet Explorer


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What browser version has to be the next question.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Westerland" <iwesterl@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA


Hi Antony.
It's an online review page.





On 10/11/2017 8:12 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Is this an online web page, a PDF they send you, a Word document, or what?

Is there any way we can see the ratings system without being a customer?

It always helps if we can see the same things as you're having problems with
so we can think of possible answers.


Antony.

On Wednesday 11 October 2017 at 11:10:20, Ian Westerland wrote:

Hello. So far so good. NVDA is working out nicely. One area causing
some difficulty is around list boxes.

I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings
system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.

NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers
in the boxes for me to complete the review.

There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review. I
can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or
the numbers in them.
Is there something I am doing wrong?

Thank you.


Ian Westerland










Re: Mail Program Suggestions

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Can one purchase Outlook on its own?
I of course being the oddball person I am have the tweaked Outlook express, but I'll not go into why yet again as others think I'm mad!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Earle Zwicker" <rowdyamerican@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:29 PM
Subject: [nvda] Mail Program Suggestions


Just wondering what programs people are using for mail? I have Windows 10 creater, and I still haven't found something I'm completely happy with.

I've tried Thunder bird, but found it to be a bit sluggish.

I've also tried the mail program that's built in, but for some reason message threads are open by default, and I don't see an option to change this behaviour.

So if anyone has any suggestions on how I can fix these problems, or another email program, I would really appreciate it. Thanks for any help you can give me.

Earle

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Re: New version of espeak NG

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In the latest master and next snaps the version is later, certainly. there are a few pronunciation issues I'm not happy with in UK English myself, but nothing that I could not fix in a dictionary.
It does on some sound hardware sometimes truncate a word. its hard to pin this one down though as its there then its gone again.

Apart from those two specifics, Espeak NG seems much the same as before.

However there is an issue when you update from the old stable version that the voice dictionary gets lost due to the UK name having changed of the file. You can go in and hot wire it by renaming it of course but I'm given to understand the devs are trying to make detection automatic so it acts in a seamless way on the update.

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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:25 PM
Subject: [nvda] New version of espeak NG


Hi!
I know, that some people dislike Espeak, but I have a question.
Have You update Espeak NG in the next version of NVDA to the new version?
I don't know, where to ask this question, so I rather ask It here.
There are also new languages too, some inprovements for another languages also.
Thank You.
Marco Oros


Re: something people should be aware of

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I use startpage mostly, but google for other stuff.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] something people should be aware of


I remember dog pile. It was a search engine. I heard about it through a friend.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] something people should be aware of

Anyone remember the search engine dogpile?

It was a search engine that would submit your search to several other search engines, then collate the results, and present them in one unified interface. Very nice, and I used it a lot. I was very disappointed when it went bye-bye. Another search engine I liked very much was findwhat. It rarely returned more than a page of results, and each and every time, the results were always relevant to what I was searching for. Even google doesn't give me that kind of return on my searches.


On 10/10/2017 5:07 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well I do hope we don't use all of them all at once.

However if you had them in some sort iof array and needed to do extra
queries about things then maybe.

Siri is quite acurate for apple googles one has a few more advantages,
amazons stuff is growing ms I don't know but yeah, if something used
all of them and then one of them gave the answer you needed that would
be good.

Obviously I hope one could just use which one he or she wanted, but
there is no reason that they all couldn't talk together about an
issue, ofcause there would be data and abattery things if all had to
upload to eachother but maybe it could be compressed.

Right now though if you have apple you have siri with google you have
google.

With samsung you have samsung whatever they use.

So as long as you don't install their apps of various things
technically who knows.

I do hope you can set control of whatever you have.

On the other hand if you could run all of them, then only have one
envoke with its word and well depending on where etc you chose.

Though if they all ran together hmmm.




On 10/10/2017 8:52 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
It only mentions the smart phone versions here. I unfortunately can
see a day when we have multiple voice and text accessible assistants
on every device, all arguing with each other about what you actually
wanted in the first place New scientist is calling AI Artificial
Ignorance, by the way.
I feel that we should be able to define the areas of our lives these
things can get involved in, and how long before some smarty pants
comes up with one that asks them all and presents all their answers
in a usable way.

Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 1:55 AM
Subject: [nvda] something people should be aware of


Hi.

was reading skype blogs and found this.

https://blogs.skype.com/news/2017/10/09/introducing-cortana-skype-mi
crosofts-intelligent-assistant-comes-chat-window/


I really hope that there will be a way to make this shove right off
if one wants to.

There is nothing worse than something bringing up suggestions and
thinking what to say, if I want this now then I can put several bits
of spyware and ransom ware on my system, and forget about skype.

While I see a benifit in this, I really hope we can envoke this at
will, if not then maybe I will have to use windows xp for skype
instead <sigh>







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Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

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It can be difficult for some people. I think we are not really appreciating that not everyone can do this successfully or afford to do so either.
I think saying i don't see why is a little bit like saying I have no problem getting water, I use the rain, but if you live in the desert, then any rain is unlikely to foll your tanks!
It is what it is and people have to work around that.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


I still don't get it. You keep saying there are personal reasons that you can't update. None of the rest of us have this problem.



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

there is no verse in the quran, but for me is sin updating for reasons that i cant explane in a public place!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
It's one thing to want to stay with XP but don't demand that the rest
of us conform to you. You don't have that right.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i said that using and selecting one technology, software and operating
system is freedom of choice and be related to every person to update
or not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I disagree. It's not about freedom of choice when it comes to old
systems.
Asking developers to keep maintaining ancient systems is like asking
a manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer washing machine.
Things change and you have to either move along with the change or
get left behind.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select
the favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!
noone should not force others to change, just because beeing uptodate
and jusg for change and new things to come!

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Probably both! :-)

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From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


Um... erudite or luddite?

Antony.

On Tuesday 10 October 2017 at 18:59:03, Brian wrote:

I'm a bit of erudite as well. I enjoy playing with new stuff, but
if I'm trying to get stuff done the muscle memory used for reading
emails and other stuff takes a lot to relearn so why bother when
its still working.
Brian
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in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
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www.al-islam.org







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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
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best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org


Re: A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

John Isige
 

I keep forgetting to do this so I'm glad it came up again. I want to thank everybody who answered, and particularly those who gave specifics like banking and the recent Microsoft surveys. It's nice to know that there are places where it actually works, and it's not just a general principle.


Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I still don't get it. You keep saying there are personal reasons that you can't update. None of the rest of us have this problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

there is no verse in the quran, but for me is sin updating for reasons that i cant explane in a public place!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
It's one thing to want to stay with XP but don't demand that the rest
of us conform to you. You don't have that right.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i said that using and selecting one technology, software and operating
system is freedom of choice and be related to every person to update
or not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I disagree. It's not about freedom of choice when it comes to old
systems.
Asking developers to keep maintaining ancient systems is like asking
a manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer washing machine.
Things change and you have to either move along with the change or
get left behind.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select
the favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!
noone should not force others to change, just because beeing uptodate
and jusg for change and new things to come!

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Probably both! :-)

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


Um... erudite or luddite?

Antony.

On Tuesday 10 October 2017 at 18:59:03, Brian wrote:

I'm a bit of erudite as well. I enjoy playing with new stuff, but
if I'm trying to get stuff done the muscle memory used for reading
emails and other stuff takes a lot to relearn so why bother when
its still working.
Brian
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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org


Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

 

there is no verse in the quran, but for me is sin updating for reasons
that i cant explane in a public place!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
It's one thing to want to stay with XP but don't demand that the rest of us
conform to you. You don't have that right.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i said that using and selecting one technology, software and operating
system is freedom of choice and be related to every person to update or
not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I disagree. It's not about freedom of choice when it comes to old
systems.
Asking developers to keep maintaining ancient systems is like asking a
manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer washing machine.
Things change and you have to either move along with the change or get
left behind.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select the
favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!
noone should not force others to change, just because beeing uptodate
and jusg for change and new things to come!

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<bglists@...> wrote:
Probably both! :-)

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


Um... erudite or luddite?

Antony.

On Tuesday 10 October 2017 at 18:59:03, Brian wrote:

I'm a bit of erudite as well. I enjoy playing with new stuff, but
if I'm trying to get stuff done the muscle memory used for reading
emails and other stuff takes a lot to relearn so why bother when
its still working.
Brian
--
I thought of going into banking, until I lost interest.

Please reply to
the list;
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*don't* CC

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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Tony,

I had a similar situation. NVDA didn't see everything in the survey that I was trying to fill out for Microsoft so I used system access to go and it worked beautifully.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 6:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

Hi John,


As a former computer instructor who has gone tech, I can tell you that it pays to have at least one backup screen reader in your arsenal. Just last week, I was filling out a survey on the Microsoft site using NVDA and it didn't read things correctly. I switched to window eyes 9.54 to read the same survey and it read things without a hitch, window eyes has saved me in a couple of earlier situations as well. NVDA is still my main screen reader of choice, however, I'll say it again, it does not hurt to have a backup screen reader.


Tony




On 10/7/2017 3:55 PM, John Isige wrote:
Hi all. Over the years I've heard several of you say that multiple
screen readers are a good thing, so much so that some have advocated
keeping demo copies installed, just in case. So I have a question. Can
you give specific cases where this is useful?


I ask this because I started using NVDA full time because I decided to
try it for a month. During that time, I ran into one or two things
where NVDA didn't read text, I think installers and the like but I
can't remember exactly, since it was like three or four years ago. I'd
fire up JFW, and it would produce the exact same results. That
demonstrated, to me at least, that I didn't get any real advantages
out of running jaws.


Now don't misunderstand me. I'm not trying to start a fight here. I'm
not saying that jaws is bad or anything. I'm just saying that when I
ran into potential issues with NVDA, jaws didn't solve those issues
either. Since NVDA was doing everything else I wanted, I concluded
that switching wouldn't cause me to lose any access. So I'm curious to
know what things you might gain access to with jaws or another screen
reader that you can't get with NVDA. I suppose the obvious example
would be anything with jaws scripts, I don't know if things like
Dolphin have scripts or not. But I mean, I've just heard people
advocate this, like I've said, you know have a demo copy installed and
stuff like that. So I'd just like to hear of any specific cases where
another screenreader has helped. I think it would be really useful to
know that kind of thing.




Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

It's one thing to want to stay with XP but don't demand that the rest of us conform to you. You don't have that right.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i said that using and selecting one technology, software and operating system is freedom of choice and be related to every person to update or not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I disagree. It's not about freedom of choice when it comes to old systems.
Asking developers to keep maintaining ancient systems is like asking a
manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer washing machine.
Things change and you have to either move along with the change or get
left behind.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select the
favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!
noone should not force others to change, just because beeing uptodate
and jusg for change and new things to come!

On 10/10/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
Probably both! :-)

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


Um... erudite or luddite?

Antony.

On Tuesday 10 October 2017 at 18:59:03, Brian wrote:

I'm a bit of erudite as well. I enjoy playing with new stuff, but
if I'm trying to get stuff done the muscle memory used for reading
emails and other stuff takes a lot to relearn so why bother when
its still working.
Brian
--
I thought of going into banking, until I lost interest.

Please reply to
the list;
please
*don't* CC

me.






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org


Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Amen, Brian. I couldn't have said it better.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

 

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 08:04 pm, zahra wrote:

i said that using and selecting one technology, software and operating
system is freedom of choice and be related to every person to update
or not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!

Repeating the untenable will not make it true.   You don't have this "legitimate right" in reference to myriad things that we all use in day to day life.  We use what is available where we live and supported where we live.  We do not get to choose what is available and supported.  This is true for cars, appliances, power tools (says anyone who's been dealing with the changing battery technology for the last several decades - and that applies to computers too), and the list goes on and on.

You are free to update or not as you see fit.  You are not free to demand that the rest of the world put itself out to make it easy for you to do as you see fit.  It is not your right to demand that the rest of the world conform to you.  You must conform to the rest of the world, or suffer the consequences of not doing so.  This is not about morals, or religion, but about dealing with the reality of change - which is constant.

--
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     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

No offense but can you show us a verse in the Quran that says you shouldn't update your system?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

for me even it relates to my beliefs that i cant update many things!
i only use anything that i need and want, not only update for just update!

On 10/12/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 08:04 pm, zahra wrote:


i said that using and selecting one technology, software and
operating system is freedom of choice and be related to every person
to update or not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!
Repeating the untenable will not make it true. You don't have this
"legitimate right" in reference to myriad things that we all use in
day to day life. We use what is available where we live and supported
where we live. We do not get to choose what is available and
supported. This is true for cars, appliances, power tools (says
anyone who's been dealing with the changing battery technology for the
last several decades - and that applies to computers too), and the list goes on and on.

You are free to update or not as you see fit. You are not free to
demand that the rest of the world put itself out to make it easy for
you to do as you see fit. It is not your right to demand that the
rest of the world conform to you. You must conform to the rest of the
world, or suffer the consequences of not doing so. This is not about
morals, or religion, but about dealing with the reality of change - which is constant.

--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot
level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

* * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* *
But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound
truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org


Re: NVDA with Notepad++

 

hi gene.
yes, i want the lines in the actual file to be automatically ended
after a certain number of characters but the files to be text files.
because i dont want my lines be thousands of characters!
i want certain amount of characters using notepad plus plus like any
other program.
i cant use wordpad, because of hang for me openning files and
automatic language change between farsi and english that nvda causes!

On 10/11/17, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io
<adrianobarb@...> wrote:
Hi,

Sorry, but I have to take the defenses for Notepad++.
For me notepad++ is just fantastic!
I do not feel such problems and I use it to read books and write python
code.
And always keeps memory of the last position of the cursor at the closure of

program.

Cheers
Adriano

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with Notepad++


May I ask another, slightly related question?


Why does notepad++ get recommended so much as a code editor for VI
guys/screenreader users, when problems like this keep on getting
mentioned?


I ask this since, while I do have it installed here, for handling a couple

of things relating to characterset encoding, it has never been, and, will

never be my primary code editor, since for working with things like PHP,
javascript, HTML and python, edSharp has always provided a much better
programmer's interface, interaction, and, has never really given me any
issues with regards to screen reader usage, etc.


And, no, this is not anything like a form of rant, but, just wondering why

notepad++ consistently gets recommended to screenreader users for a
programmer's editor, when these issues seem to consistently keep on
getting mentioned?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017/10/11 07:57, zahra wrote:
hi.
i turned on wordwrap in notepad plus plus and have the problem about
cursor!
please someone guide me too.
God bless you all!

On 10/11/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Are you saying, that if, for example, you down arrow four times from the

top
of a document, you hear line 9? I want to be completely sure what you
are
describing. Are you talking about what you hear when you use the arrow

keys
or what you hear when you use screen review commands such as numpad 8
for
read current line?

Is word wrap on in Notepad or off? Is NVDA set to object navigation as

the
review setting or screen review or something else?

I'm not sure what's causing the problem but I want to be sure what the
problem is and how things are set.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Hi,
I am a software development student who is visually impaired. I use
NVDA to navigate my computer and notepad++ for all my coding. The one
thing that has plagued me is that when I put my cursor on a line in
notepad++, NVDA reads five lines below where my cursor is instead of
the line my cursor is actually on. This makes coding more difficult
for me. Is there a way to get NVDA to read my current line that I have
my cursor on in notepad++ instead of five lines below?

Thank you



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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org

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