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Re: Mail Program Suggestions

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Earl
In the W10 Mail app, activate settings and in the Reading sub-category
there is a toggle button to turn conversation mode on or off Also in the
main window, expand the filter and you can choose to sort mail items by date
or name.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Earle
Zwicker
Sent: 11 October 2017 21:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Mail Program Suggestions

Just wondering what programs people are using for mail? I have Windows 10
creater, and I still haven't found something I'm completely happy with.

I've tried Thunder bird, but found it to be a bit sluggish.

I've also tried the mail program that's built in, but for some reason
message threads are open by default, and I don't see an option to change
this behaviour.

So if anyone has any suggestions on how I can fix these problems, or another
email program, I would really appreciate it. Thanks for any help you can
give me.

Earle

Sent from my iPhone


Re: Mail Program Suggestions

 

Hello Earl! I also use the latest version of Windows 10. I used to use Windows Live Mail in the past. Now I use Mozilla Thunderbird and Mail from Windows 10 and I'm happy using them. However, if you wanna use something else, just search on Google another mail client.
Cheers,
Florian


Re: NVDA with Notepad++

Gene
 

I don't know if any text editors can be made to automatically create new lines as if margins were set.  The whole idea of a text editor is to allow the user to create a text file with no formatting of any kind.  Programmers don't want anything to change the length of lines unless they enter a return to start a new one and their lines don't conform to any predetermined length.  each line is as long as it needs to be.  The same for manually creating HTML pages.  The browser usually determines when to break a line. 
 
You can use Notepad or another text editor and, if you want lines not to be too long, you can press return to start a new line.  It's like using an electric typewriter and creating a new line by returning the carriage.  Since there are no margins, unless you find a program that allows you to set margins, this won't be done automatically and you won't be notified when to do it.  But you can develop a feeling of when to do so by experimentation and by having Word Wrap off.  You can experiment by pressing return when you think it's about time to start a new line, then, after you write a number of lines, you can go to the top and read down line by line and see how each line reads in terms of length. 
 
Also, I don't know how you use documents you create.  If you want to use Notepad to create things like actual documents that are more than just informal notes for your own use, you can just turn word wrap on and only use return when you want to start a new line for some reason and two returns to denote a paragraph.  Word wrap automatically shows documents as though lines were created by the text processor. They aren't, but the reader sees new lines on screen of the proper length.  Then you don't have to manually insert hard returns to create new lines unless you want to because the document is shown as though there is a new line.  I never use hard return in Notepad unless I specifically want to create a new line because I have word wrap on. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with Notepad++

hi gene.
yes, i want the lines in the actual file to be automatically ended
after a certain number of characters but the files to be text files.
because i dont want my lines be thousands of characters!
i want certain amount of characters using notepad plus plus like any
other program.
i cant use wordpad, because of hang for me openning files and
automatic language change between farsi and english that nvda causes!

On 10/11/17, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io
<adrianobarb@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sorry, but I have to take the defenses for Notepad++.
> For me notepad++ is just fantastic!
> I do not feel such problems and I use it to read books and write python
> code.
> And always keeps memory of the last position of the cursor at the closure of
>
> program.
>
> Cheers
> Adriano
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with Notepad++
>
>
>> May I ask another, slightly related question?
>>
>>
>> Why does notepad++ get recommended so much as a code editor for VI
>> guys/screenreader users, when problems like this keep on getting
>> mentioned?
>>
>>
>> I ask this since, while I do have it installed here, for handling a couple
>>
>> of things relating to characterset encoding, it has never been, and, will
>>
>> never be my primary code editor, since for working with things like PHP,
>> javascript, HTML and python, edSharp has always provided a much better
>> programmer's interface, interaction, and, has never really given me any
>> issues with regards to screen reader usage, etc.
>>
>>
>> And, no, this is not anything like a form of rant, but, just wondering why
>>
>> notepad++ consistently gets recommended to screenreader users for a
>> programmer's editor, when these issues seem to consistently keep on
>> getting mentioned?
>>
>>
>> Stay well
>>
>>
>> Jacob Kruger
>> Blind Biker
>> Skype: BlindZA
>> "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
>>
>> On 2017/10/11 07:57, zahra wrote:
>>> hi.
>>> i turned on wordwrap in notepad plus plus and have the problem about
>>> cursor!
>>> please someone guide me too.
>>> God bless you all!
>>>
>>> On 10/11/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>>>> Are you saying, that if, for example, you down arrow four times from the
>>>>
>>>> top
>>>> of a document, you hear line 9?  I want to be completely sure what you
>>>> are
>>>> describing.  Are you talking about what you hear when you use the arrow
>>>>
>>>> keys
>>>> or what you hear when you use screen review commands such as numpad 8
>>>> for
>>>> read current line?
>>>>
>>>> Is word wrap on in Notepad or off?  Is NVDA set to object navigation as
>>>>
>>>> the
>>>> review setting or screen review or something else?
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what's causing the problem but I want to be sure what the
>>>> problem is and how things are set.
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I am a software development student who is visually impaired. I use
>>>>> NVDA to navigate my computer and notepad++ for all my coding. The one
>>>>> thing that has plagued me is that when I put my cursor on a line in
>>>>> notepad++, NVDA reads five lines below where my cursor is instead of
>>>>> the line my cursor is actually on. This makes coding more difficult
>>>>> for me. Is there a way to get NVDA to read my current line that I have
>>>>> my cursor on in notepad++ instead of five lines below?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>>>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>>>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Requesting some information

 

I have used it on a couple boxes, the big issues I have with it are that several buttons are not accessible and there is this crazy window that pops up while its running, and closing it crashes the program.

It also tried to by default upload my entier computer to the cloud, when first installed.

I use it on one of the workstations but the interface is while I can access some of it mostly complete junk.

The older drive was also complete junk but at least I could use it.

Dropbox interface is also sadly complete junk but to use dropbox especially if you have setup and shared all you need, for most of what you need which is not much to be honest its not in the way.

Onedrive is probably your friend but I never cared for its web interface, google drive is better for that and dropbox as long as the direct links can be done and if you changes your 1 and 0s right you can do that yourself.

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Which version of Google Drive. I've never found the need for one with the old type google drive. the new back up overkill bungled crashing heap they try to force on you now is not even work running as it crashes all the time. Of course this is my experience only.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 5:47 PM
Subject: [nvda] Requesting some information




Hello fellow nvda enthusiasts,

I recently was uploading media to my google drive, and was wondering,
If there was an nvda addon for google drive, similar to what there for dropbox,

Any help would be greatly appreciated,
Thank you so much,
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Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

 

I agree, having been pushed through the work machine and spat out in the recycle bin I can understand where you are coming from.

In school your computer and programs are free.

But you leave school and suddenly you are on your own.

Go to university and again you have funding and again you have a chance.

Then you find a job, and thats where for me it all broke down.

Governmentally I need to work else I get no benifit but I am blind, but no blind helpless retards get money unless they work.

But there is no work.

So I then have to say I am looking for work or am working and hope its never checked and so far I am lucky.

I don't care for it and I have heard horror stories about being placed in government work, true a few of the interlectial / mental people are put there and such and some say its really good.

But I have also heard stories from normals and say its demeaning and horrible.

I don't know what to believe except being blind and not with the retarded status is probably a better thing from well the other thing.

My point is that without my family, I wouldn't be able to buy the last 2 or even 3 laptops, my last actual laptop was a broken versa running xp home and while I was able to buy at some cost another now dead toshiba satelite, I would have still been on xp now if I hadn't at first updated to a tecra business system and now to a win7 system shortly to another higher specced system.

However with the echonomy as it stands which is not great for the standard people and even worse  for others, xp or even older oses are probably the future for the blind, I mean hardware is expensive and a lot of my blind friends are like me, at home, in limbo, no jobs, no prospects right now either.

For some of us like me we tried, the system didn't quite work and now we are stuck wandering exactly where to now.

I know of one person that is worse than me.

He doesn't live at home with family because he has none, he drinks a lot and thats about all.

Some if they know how to play piano and such may get out and there maybe the odd other story but most are probably jumping about on casual work hoping to strike gold but never getting there.

Sadly didn't get a fair deal is not a status offered, its blind and successfull, blind but in limbo, or blind retarded, poor and helpless and dumb or at least thats what I feel.

A lot fo things have changed and we seem to be ignored or at least pushed about not because people don't care but that we seem to be pushed.

Then again I am the not fair deal status so this is just me venting through a hole in my chops, its an endless circle.

I can't do much about it and probably never will.

On 12/10/2017 9:12 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
It can be difficult for some people. I think we are not really appreciating that not everyone can do this successfully or afford to do so either.
I think saying i don't see why is a little bit like saying  I have no problem getting water, I use the rain, but if you live in the desert, then any rain is unlikely to foll your tanks!
It is what it is and people have to work around that.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


I still don't get it. You keep saying there are personal reasons that you can't update. None of the rest of us have this problem.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

there is no verse in the quran, but for me is sin updating for reasons that i cant explane in a public place!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
It's one thing to want to stay with XP but don't demand that the rest
of us conform to you. You don't have that right.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i said that using and selecting one technology, software and operating
system is freedom of choice and be related to every person to update
or not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I disagree. It's not about freedom of choice when it comes to old
systems.
Asking developers to keep maintaining ancient systems is like asking
a manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer washing machine.
Things change and you have to either move along with the change or
get left behind.



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zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select
the favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!
noone should not force others to change, just because beeing uptodate
and jusg for change and new things to come!

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Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


Um... erudite or luddite?

Antony.

On Tuesday 10 October 2017 at 18:59:03, Brian wrote:

I'm a bit of erudite as well. I enjoy playing with new stuff, but
if I'm trying to get stuff done the muscle memory used for reading
emails and other stuff takes a lot to relearn so why bother when
its still working.
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Re: two errors in the last NVDA Next

Quentin Christensen
 

Could you use them in the previous version?  And are you getting an error, or a sound or anything indicating what is wrong?

If you could send me your log, I can have a look for you - quentin@....  Info on logs is available from: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 8:10 PM, Ângelo Abrantes <ampa4374@...> wrote:
he,


I'm using nvda Version: next-14511,339707cd

But I can't use handy tech Braille and vocalizer expressive.

What is happening?

Ângelo Abrantes


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Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Antony Stone
 

You do have the freedom of choice to update or not.

If you update, you can get the latest versions of software with all their new
features.

If you do not update you can stick with the old versions and all the
limitations and increasing incompatibilities with other software which those
old versions have.

But the choice is yours.

What is this "legitimate right" which you feel you're being deprived of?


Antony.

On Thursday 12 October 2017 at 05:04:44, zahra wrote:

i said that using and selecting one technology, software and operating
system is freedom of choice and be related to every person to update
or not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I disagree. It's not about freedom of choice when it comes to old
systems. Asking developers to keep maintaining ancient systems is like
asking a manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer
washing machine. Things change and you have to either move along with
the change or get left behind.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select the
favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!
noone should not force others to change, just because beeing uptodate and
jusg for change and new things to come!

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Probably both! :-)

Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Um... erudite or luddite?

Antony.

On Tuesday 10 October 2017 at 18:59:03, Brian wrote:
I'm a bit of erudite as well. I enjoy playing with new stuff, but if
I'm trying to get stuff done the muscle memory used for reading
emails and other stuff takes a lot to relearn so why bother when its
still working.
Brian
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If you have to explain it, it means it doesn't work.

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two errors in the last NVDA Next

Ângelo Abrantes
 

he,


I'm using nvda Version: next-14511,339707cd

But I can't use handy tech Braille and vocalizer expressive.

What is happening?

Ângelo Abrantes


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Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

 

My gripe is not the os, I could really not care that much about the os.

I do care about the interface, I'd like a choice to be blunt.

I'd like to use windows as a kernal but choose the interface I used bits and bobs of one or more.

xp is a good interface, its simple and nice.

7 has a few extras like the start menu search box I like that part, the rest well I could leave that out to be honest.

10, I could care less for the 10 shell interface I like the first navigation letter things in start menu and how all groups are grouped and the settings app and the web ui interface but thats about it.

On 12/10/2017 5:18 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
It's one thing to want to stay with XP but don't demand that the rest of us conform to you. You don't have that right.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i said that using and selecting one technology, software and operating system is freedom of choice and be related to every person to update or not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I disagree. It's not about freedom of choice when it comes to old systems.
Asking developers to keep maintaining ancient systems is like asking a
manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer washing machine.
Things change and you have to either move along with the change or get
left behind.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select the
favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!
noone should not force others to change, just because beeing uptodate
and jusg for change and new things to come!

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Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


Um... erudite or luddite?

Antony.

On Tuesday 10 October 2017 at 18:59:03, Brian wrote:

I'm a bit of erudite as well. I enjoy playing with new stuff, but
if I'm trying to get stuff done the muscle memory used for reading
emails and other stuff takes a lot to relearn so why bother when
its still working.
Brian
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Re: idea for libreOffice

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it does not rely on it at all, well a tiny few little bits don't work but then I'm not sure if its anything to do with java, I suspect no
When I see errors nvda suggests the app module is called Symphony, as this is the code both are based on and as such that did not use the Java Access bridge at all.
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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 5:38 PM
Subject: [nvda] idea for libreOffice


I had an idea. Not sure if this would make libreoffice more stable and
functional or not but here it goes.

Rather than libreoffice and openoffice relying on the java access
bridge, both libreoffice and openoffice should have a feature to detect
when NVDA is loaded. If loaded, libreoffice could probably run much more
stable and provide much better accessibility if it directly used the
NVDA controller client to provide direct accessibility by having NVDA
braille and speak exactly what needs spoken and or brailled. This may
enable the reading of charts and graphs in calc, better access in
writer, complete access to impress, and the math tools. Not sure if this
will go anywhere. But it was just an idea. And if it works we would have
two excellent 100% accessible up to date and free office suites that,
just as a braille notetaker like the brailleNote speaks exactly what is
needed when needed, no more no less, same with braille... So if
libreoffice and or openoffice used NVDA controller client rather than
java access bridge which may be the cause of its instability? Then
perhaps NVDA would work great with these applications.


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Re: Requesting some information

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Which version of Google Drive. I've never found the need for one with the old type google drive. the new back up overkill bungled crashing heap they try to force on you now is not even work running as it crashes all the time. Of course this is my experience only.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 5:47 PM
Subject: [nvda] Requesting some information




Hello fellow nvda enthusiasts,

I recently was uploading media to my google drive, and was wondering,
If there was an nvda addon for google drive, similar to what there for dropbox,

Any help would be greatly appreciated,
Thank you so much,
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Re: Strange issue for xp users with last working versions

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It was the last one that still ran on xp. I've forgotten now. I also note that the last next does it as well.
Its not really an issue it just plays the falling tones twice for an unknown reason that is all.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange issue for xp users with last working versions


Hi Brian,

To me with XP, it has never happened, now use the master-14374,21b30868.
What is the version you are referring to?

Cheers
Adriano

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Subject: [nvda] Strange issue for xp users with last working versions


I don't know if anyone else has this, but I left the last supported master update installed on some machines, but now even if running 2017.3 on those machines, NVDA plays the shut down sound twice on all four machines.

Not a problem of course but very odd. the odd part is that the same working snaps have no such effect on Windows 7 at all.
Just one of those great mysteries of life and now support is gone, probably will remain that way!

Brian

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Re: list boxes in NVDA

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Try Firefoxx 55 32 bit if you can first. I find this quite reliable. I see we are being offered 57 beta but there have been issues reported about his one forcing 64 bit and also having navigation quirks.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA


Yes, I have Firefox which will need updating.
This is probably a good time to update my Browsers as it seems Internet Explorer is going to be phased out in favour of Edge.

Chrome is one I haven't investigated a great deal, but when I have, it hasn't been easy to get even a basic understanding.
So I'll start with Firefox. Windows 10 has just been upgraded so Microsoft Edge will be worth another look.

Oh, the joys and challenges of keeping up-to-date with computers and programs and many people think that those of us who are blind have nothing to do with our time.
Such are the myths still alive in our supposedly informed world.

Ian




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I would heartily advise trying Firefox or Chrome as well. You can have them all on the system with no issues.
I gave up on chrome myself but just because I could not get my brain around the way to use it veery easily, not to condemn it for that of course.
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Hi!

Latest Internet Explorer


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What browser version has to be the next question.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA


Hi Antony.
It's an online review page.





On 10/11/2017 8:12 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Is this an online web page, a PDF they send you, a Word document, or what?

Is there any way we can see the ratings system without being a customer?

It always helps if we can see the same things as you're having problems with
so we can think of possible answers.


Antony.

On Wednesday 11 October 2017 at 11:10:20, Ian Westerland wrote:

Hello. So far so good. NVDA is working out nicely. One area causing
some difficulty is around list boxes.

I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings
system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.

NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers
in the boxes for me to complete the review.

There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review. I
can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or
the numbers in them.
Is there something I am doing wrong?

Thank you.


Ian Westerland










Re: Mail Program Suggestions

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Can one purchase Outlook on its own?
I of course being the oddball person I am have the tweaked Outlook express, but I'll not go into why yet again as others think I'm mad!

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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:29 PM
Subject: [nvda] Mail Program Suggestions


Just wondering what programs people are using for mail? I have Windows 10 creater, and I still haven't found something I'm completely happy with.

I've tried Thunder bird, but found it to be a bit sluggish.

I've also tried the mail program that's built in, but for some reason message threads are open by default, and I don't see an option to change this behaviour.

So if anyone has any suggestions on how I can fix these problems, or another email program, I would really appreciate it. Thanks for any help you can give me.

Earle

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Re: New version of espeak NG

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In the latest master and next snaps the version is later, certainly. there are a few pronunciation issues I'm not happy with in UK English myself, but nothing that I could not fix in a dictionary.
It does on some sound hardware sometimes truncate a word. its hard to pin this one down though as its there then its gone again.

Apart from those two specifics, Espeak NG seems much the same as before.

However there is an issue when you update from the old stable version that the voice dictionary gets lost due to the UK name having changed of the file. You can go in and hot wire it by renaming it of course but I'm given to understand the devs are trying to make detection automatic so it acts in a seamless way on the update.

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Subject: [nvda] New version of espeak NG


Hi!
I know, that some people dislike Espeak, but I have a question.
Have You update Espeak NG in the next version of NVDA to the new version?
I don't know, where to ask this question, so I rather ask It here.
There are also new languages too, some inprovements for another languages also.
Thank You.
Marco Oros


Re: something people should be aware of

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I use startpage mostly, but google for other stuff.
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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] something people should be aware of


I remember dog pile. It was a search engine. I heard about it through a friend.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] something people should be aware of

Anyone remember the search engine dogpile?

It was a search engine that would submit your search to several other search engines, then collate the results, and present them in one unified interface. Very nice, and I used it a lot. I was very disappointed when it went bye-bye. Another search engine I liked very much was findwhat. It rarely returned more than a page of results, and each and every time, the results were always relevant to what I was searching for. Even google doesn't give me that kind of return on my searches.


On 10/10/2017 5:07 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well I do hope we don't use all of them all at once.

However if you had them in some sort iof array and needed to do extra
queries about things then maybe.

Siri is quite acurate for apple googles one has a few more advantages,
amazons stuff is growing ms I don't know but yeah, if something used
all of them and then one of them gave the answer you needed that would
be good.

Obviously I hope one could just use which one he or she wanted, but
there is no reason that they all couldn't talk together about an
issue, ofcause there would be data and abattery things if all had to
upload to eachother but maybe it could be compressed.

Right now though if you have apple you have siri with google you have
google.

With samsung you have samsung whatever they use.

So as long as you don't install their apps of various things
technically who knows.

I do hope you can set control of whatever you have.

On the other hand if you could run all of them, then only have one
envoke with its word and well depending on where etc you chose.

Though if they all ran together hmmm.




On 10/10/2017 8:52 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
It only mentions the smart phone versions here. I unfortunately can
see a day when we have multiple voice and text accessible assistants
on every device, all arguing with each other about what you actually
wanted in the first place New scientist is calling AI Artificial
Ignorance, by the way.
I feel that we should be able to define the areas of our lives these
things can get involved in, and how long before some smarty pants
comes up with one that asks them all and presents all their answers
in a usable way.

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Subject: [nvda] something people should be aware of


Hi.

was reading skype blogs and found this.

https://blogs.skype.com/news/2017/10/09/introducing-cortana-skype-mi
crosofts-intelligent-assistant-comes-chat-window/


I really hope that there will be a way to make this shove right off
if one wants to.

There is nothing worse than something bringing up suggestions and
thinking what to say, if I want this now then I can put several bits
of spyware and ransom ware on my system, and forget about skype.

While I see a benifit in this, I really hope we can envoke this at
will, if not then maybe I will have to use windows xp for skype
instead <sigh>







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Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

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It can be difficult for some people. I think we are not really appreciating that not everyone can do this successfully or afford to do so either.
I think saying i don't see why is a little bit like saying I have no problem getting water, I use the rain, but if you live in the desert, then any rain is unlikely to foll your tanks!
It is what it is and people have to work around that.
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Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


I still don't get it. You keep saying there are personal reasons that you can't update. None of the rest of us have this problem.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

there is no verse in the quran, but for me is sin updating for reasons that i cant explane in a public place!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
It's one thing to want to stay with XP but don't demand that the rest
of us conform to you. You don't have that right.



-----Original Message-----
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zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i said that using and selecting one technology, software and operating
system is freedom of choice and be related to every person to update
or not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I disagree. It's not about freedom of choice when it comes to old
systems.
Asking developers to keep maintaining ancient systems is like asking
a manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer washing machine.
Things change and you have to either move along with the change or
get left behind.



-----Original Message-----
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zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select
the favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!
noone should not force others to change, just because beeing uptodate
and jusg for change and new things to come!

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


Um... erudite or luddite?

Antony.

On Tuesday 10 October 2017 at 18:59:03, Brian wrote:

I'm a bit of erudite as well. I enjoy playing with new stuff, but
if I'm trying to get stuff done the muscle memory used for reading
emails and other stuff takes a lot to relearn so why bother when
its still working.
Brian
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Re: A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

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I keep forgetting to do this so I'm glad it came up again. I want to thank everybody who answered, and particularly those who gave specifics like banking and the recent Microsoft surveys. It's nice to know that there are places where it actually works, and it's not just a general principle.


Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

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I still don't get it. You keep saying there are personal reasons that you can't update. None of the rest of us have this problem.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

there is no verse in the quran, but for me is sin updating for reasons that i cant explane in a public place!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
It's one thing to want to stay with XP but don't demand that the rest
of us conform to you. You don't have that right.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i said that using and selecting one technology, software and operating
system is freedom of choice and be related to every person to update
or not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I disagree. It's not about freedom of choice when it comes to old
systems.
Asking developers to keep maintaining ancient systems is like asking
a manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer washing machine.
Things change and you have to either move along with the change or
get left behind.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select
the favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!
noone should not force others to change, just because beeing uptodate
and jusg for change and new things to come!

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Probably both! :-)

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Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


Um... erudite or luddite?

Antony.

On Tuesday 10 October 2017 at 18:59:03, Brian wrote:

I'm a bit of erudite as well. I enjoy playing with new stuff, but
if I'm trying to get stuff done the muscle memory used for reading
emails and other stuff takes a lot to relearn so why bother when
its still working.
Brian
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best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org


Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

 

there is no verse in the quran, but for me is sin updating for reasons
that i cant explane in a public place!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
It's one thing to want to stay with XP but don't demand that the rest of us
conform to you. You don't have that right.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i said that using and selecting one technology, software and operating
system is freedom of choice and be related to every person to update or
not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I disagree. It's not about freedom of choice when it comes to old
systems.
Asking developers to keep maintaining ancient systems is like asking a
manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer washing machine.
Things change and you have to either move along with the change or get
left behind.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select the
favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!
noone should not force others to change, just because beeing uptodate
and jusg for change and new things to come!

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Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


Um... erudite or luddite?

Antony.

On Tuesday 10 October 2017 at 18:59:03, Brian wrote:

I'm a bit of erudite as well. I enjoy playing with new stuff, but
if I'm trying to get stuff done the muscle memory used for reading
emails and other stuff takes a lot to relearn so why bother when
its still working.
Brian
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--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
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indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org






--
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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org