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Re: A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

Gene
 

I don't know what reviews you have read but they are wrong as a fact, not as an opinion.  It isn't a powerful screen-reader like JAWS or Window-eyes.  It was intended and designed to be simple to use and to meet the needs of undemanding users.  This was years ago before NVDA was available but at that time, it was a considerably less expensive alternative for those who didn't need a powerful screen-reader as just System Access.  Now, there is System Access to Go, which is System Access, made available for free for use at times when you don't have access to a screen-reader.  At the time of release, It could do simple word processing, work with at least some audio players. work well on the Internet and it worked with Outlook Express.  I don't know if the program has changed to any significant extent over time but I would imagine that it supports one or more current e-mail programs now and I wouldn't be surprised if it supports at least one other current browser, Firefox would be my bet if it supports other browsers.
 
With NVDA, there is little reason to use System Access to Go, which is the Cloud version of System Acccess.  You can try it for free and another list member has sent instructions for how to begin.  You may be prompted about how to see help documentation as you proceed but if not, you may ask here. 
 
I haven't used it in years to any extent and the interface is different now so I won't go into details.  But for use on the Internet if you are using a computer with no screen-reader, such as at a friend's house, it is useful and now and then, there are sites that work with it that don't work with other screen-readers.  I almost never need it any longer but it's good to have tools available in case you do. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

How do you find System Access use?  Reviews say it is difficult to get
started and use.  It isn't a program I have explored, but as I
transition from Window-Eyes to NVDA as my main computer access program,
it is interesting to explore the alternatives.


Ian Westerland




On 10/13/2017 4:02 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> I rarely ever use it because NVDA works well for most of my needs. I just use system access to go only if I'm trying to fill out a survey and NVDA doesn't see everything but that doesn't happen too often.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 8:34 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.
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> The site claims it needs internet explorer to make most things talk. You can't pay me enough to use that bloated bug ridden piece of crap. No thanks, Guess I'll never be using system access to go ever.
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> On 10/12/2017 11:18 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>> Hi, Anthony,
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>> The link for system access to go is www.satogo.com. Hit alt R to get it running. After you hear it start talking, tab to the create an account button and hit the space bar on it. Type in your username which would be your email address. Then tab to another edit box. Here you'll type your phone number including the area code. After that, you tab to the password field and type in a password. Last but not least, tab to the login button and hit the space bar or enter on it.
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>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Rosemarie
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>> P.S. The account is free if you're using it on the internet. You have to be on the internet to be able to use it.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> anthony borg
>> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 5:30 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.
>>
>> Hi rosemarie
>> Can you please explain to me how that system access really works?
>> Thanks in advance
>> Anthony
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Rosemarie Chavarria
>> Sent: 12 October 2017 06:22
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.
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>> Hi, Tony,
>>
>> I had a similar situation. NVDA didn't see everything in the survey that I was trying to fill out for Microsoft so I used system access to go and it worked beautifully.
>>
>> Rosemarie
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Tony Ballou
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 6:16 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.
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>> Hi John,
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>> As a former computer instructor who has gone tech, I can tell you that it pays to have at least one backup screen reader in your arsenal. Just last week, I was filling out a survey on the Microsoft site using NVDA and it didn't read things correctly. I switched to window eyes 9.54 to read the same survey and it read things without a hitch, window eyes has saved me in a couple of earlier situations as well. NVDA is still my main screen reader of choice, however, I'll say it again, it does not hurt to have a backup screen reader.
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>> Tony
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>> On 10/7/2017 3:55 PM, John Isige wrote:
>>> Hi all. Over the years I've heard several of you say that multiple
>>> screen readers are a good thing, so much so that some have advocated
>>> keeping demo copies installed, just in case. So I have a question.
>>> Can you give specific cases where this is useful?
>>>
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>>> I ask this because I started using NVDA full time because I decided
>>> to try it for a month. During that time, I ran into one or two things
>>> where NVDA didn't read text, I think installers and the like but I
>>> can't remember exactly, since it was like three or four years ago.
>>> I'd fire up JFW, and it would produce the exact same results. That
>>> demonstrated, to me at least, that I didn't get any real advantages
>>> out of running jaws.
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>>> Now don't misunderstand me. I'm not trying to start a fight here. I'm
>>> not saying that jaws is bad or anything. I'm just saying that when I
>>> ran into potential issues with NVDA, jaws didn't solve those issues
>>> either. Since NVDA was doing everything else I wanted, I concluded
>>> that switching wouldn't cause me to lose any access. So I'm curious
>>> to know what things you might gain access to with jaws or another
>>> screen reader that you can't get with NVDA. I suppose the obvious
>>> example would be anything with jaws scripts, I don't know if things
>>> like Dolphin have scripts or not. But I mean, I've just heard people
>>> advocate this, like I've said, you know have a demo copy installed
>>> and stuff like that. So I'd just like to hear of any specific cases
>>> where another screenreader has helped. I think it would be really
>>> useful to know that kind of thing.
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Re: A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

Gene
 

Internet Explorer is not technologically current.  But it isn't a bug-ridden piece of crap.  It is more vulnerable than other browsers because it is a part of the operating system, at least until Windows 10.  I don't know if it still is.  And it uses Active X controls, which are a security risk and most browsers don't support them at least without add ons.  Some that don't themselves may have add ons, but in general, they haven't been necessary for years.  I don't ever rule out using any tool that might work where others may not.  These days, this may seldom be the case, as things change, but there was a time when a site, now and then, was unuseable without System Access or System Access to go. 
 
Also, it may be the case, I haven't kept up with the program, that once you start it using Internet Explorer to do so, that you can open another browser and use that browser.  You can look up reviews at about the time of IE6 and see that it was a well regarded browser for its time.  It wasn't kept current in terms of avoiding vulnerabilities and it hasn't been technologically improved for years because Edge is the browser Microsoft is working on.  But your characterization is not accurate and not a reflection of the history of Microsoft.
 
I'm not advocating that people use Internet Explorer as their main browser and it only has something like eleven percent of user share now but, as I said, as a blind person who wants the best chance to use web sites, I won't dismiss any tool that has shown that it may work now and then when others don't.
 
Also, I said that Internet Explorer was regarded as a good browser for its time, that is for many years after it developed into a capable browser.  This is also demonstrated by the fact that, when IBM was updating Home Page Reader, It used Internet Explorer as the browser it functioned on top of. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

The site claims it needs internet explorer to make most things talk. 
You can't pay me enough to use that bloated bug ridden piece of crap. 
No thanks, Guess I'll never be using system access to go ever.


On 10/12/2017 11:18 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> Hi, Anthony,
>
> The link for system access to go is www.satogo.com. Hit alt R to get it running. After you hear it start talking, tab to the create an account button and hit the space bar on it. Type in your username which would be your email address. Then tab to another edit box. Here you'll type your phone number including the area code. After that, you tab to the password field and type in a password. Last but not least, tab to the login button and hit the space bar or enter on it.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Rosemarie
>
> P.S. The account is free if you're using it on the internet. You have to be on the internet to be able to use it.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony borg
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 5:30 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.
>
> Hi rosemarie
> Can you please explain to me how that system access really works?
> Thanks in advance
> Anthony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: 12 October 2017 06:22
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.
>
> Hi, Tony,
>
> I had a similar situation. NVDA didn't see everything in the survey that I was trying to fill out for Microsoft so I used system access to go and it worked beautifully.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 6:16 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.
>
> Hi John,
>
>
> As a former computer instructor who has gone tech, I can tell you that it pays to have at least one backup screen reader in your arsenal. Just last week, I was filling out a survey on the Microsoft site using NVDA and it didn't read things correctly. I switched to window eyes 9.54 to read the same survey and it read things without a hitch, window eyes has saved me in a couple of earlier situations as well. NVDA is still my main screen reader of choice, however, I'll say it again, it does not hurt to have a backup screen reader.
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> Tony
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> On 10/7/2017 3:55 PM, John Isige wrote:
>> Hi all. Over the years I've heard several of you say that multiple
>> screen readers are a good thing, so much so that some have advocated
>> keeping demo copies installed, just in case. So I have a question. Can
>> you give specific cases where this is useful?
>>
>>
>> I ask this because I started using NVDA full time because I decided to
>> try it for a month. During that time, I ran into one or two things
>> where NVDA didn't read text, I think installers and the like but I
>> can't remember exactly, since it was like three or four years ago. I'd
>> fire up JFW, and it would produce the exact same results. That
>> demonstrated, to me at least, that I didn't get any real advantages
>> out of running jaws.
>>
>>
>> Now don't misunderstand me. I'm not trying to start a fight here. I'm
>> not saying that jaws is bad or anything. I'm just saying that when I
>> ran into potential issues with NVDA, jaws didn't solve those issues
>> either. Since NVDA was doing everything else I wanted, I concluded
>> that switching wouldn't cause me to lose any access. So I'm curious to
>> know what things you might gain access to with jaws or another screen
>> reader that you can't get with NVDA. I suppose the obvious example
>> would be anything with jaws scripts, I don't know if things like
>> Dolphin have scripts or not. But I mean, I've just heard people
>> advocate this, like I've said, you know have a demo copy installed and
>> stuff like that. So I'd just like to hear of any specific cases where
>> another screenreader has helped. I think it would be really useful to
>> know that kind of thing.
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Re: Libra Office versions

 

i tested the portable version.
when go to help, about i heard version number, but i tested only one
portable version and downloaded from
www.libreofficeportable.org

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So how does one find out the actual version one is running. Mine is from
portable apps and hence will run on any machine but when I go to help and
about there seems to be no version info given.
Brian

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Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

 

hi brian, gene nz, antony and robert thanks extremely for your support!
i realy wish that nvda continues support all windows versions forever!
even if one person can update to newer windows versions, maybe goes to
one place that even use windows 98!
what does the blind person should do in this situation?

even i cant do anything that my favorite softwares continue support my
windows, i can use anything that i wish forever, even in the other
decades!

On 10/13/17, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com> wrote:
I totally agreed with Gene Nz about his message. These are the fact that
we are facing here in the 3rd world country. I am not ashamed for where
I live for, but before I lost my sight I could able to work in
multi-company and globally had experience for 10 years in computing.
Until such time and due to in forbidden circumstances I lost my sight in
2012 which forced me to stopped, and need to recuperate after the very
extensive illness. And it took me for two years to get back again in the
cyberspace for some reason I was looking for resources that could aid my
mobility but it turns out that there is little chance I got from the
local agency here. Though there is NGO or non-profit offices helping
blind people here  but it is not sufficient to provide all the adaptive
devices that I could used with so rather to spend me and used my saving
instead to buy new machine but again the problem never stop cause I need
a screen reader. We have jaws that is available here but kinda expensive
and with the help of my family and good friends they searched for nvda
that is free. That is how my journey begin and continue my passion in
computing, and because of the determination and will of passion in
computers I get involve with other by helping others who could not
afford nor to have knowledge to use of computers and etc in my own
little way to share my knowledge into them. That is my advocacy to
propagate to used nvda as the alternative screen reader instead of jaws
but never forced them to strictly focus with other or one screen instead
just to explore there mind, and rather to look that really suits on
there needs. However, due to demand of commercialization of rapid
changes in the software they decided to use nvda as there primary screen
reader cause I may say nvda is likely to be consider as premium
applications to be reliable. And, that is how I would took the
opportunity to thanks all the contributors,developers, and other agency
to support nvda to continue developing to improves ones life. To share
this in order of us could have freedom to communicate Again, having a
choice is not a key here but how one persons could have to be not to
condemn others by not having not to update to the software they wanted
to use and not of us here forbids if they like or prefer to used old or
unsupported software. I am not forcing them nor to promote as well
pirated software here The idea is that we aim for good relations instead
of hatred by forcing them to update to were they could not afford.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/13/2017 4:38 AM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


That might be in a first world country though.

We might be lucky and get funding or some one else pays the bill.


Not in our country here but i have seen people on the list where the
government will provide a braille display to ones who use braille. It
does not happen here and we are a first world country.

Here my disibility allowance will pay for a screen reader or video
magnifier if i need one but would rather use nvda for my screen reader.


You have to remember that there are people from other countries on
this list and they will be from a as they say a third world country.


they might be lucky and have a christian group or another purchase it
for them. Also the wages if any in some of these countries people in a
first world country would not even work for them.

They might even have to use pirated software for there screen reader
if they did not know of the nvda screen reader.


Only a couple of weeks ago i got contacted and a christian group was
going to buy a computer for a person I forgot the name of the country
but it was a third world one and they were also going to drop a copy
of nvda onto it. I also mentioned they could have as many copies of
nvda as they like for other computers etc I also said about the price
of jaws and they did not even want to go there.

Now they know of NVDA that could make a real difference when they go
into some of these countries. But only for the visually impaired and
blind.



I do agree things need to move on like going from a horse to a car etc
but not every one can do it and this is more in a third world country.


Just look  around in a third world country and see how well we have
it. We complain when we have no internet or power for a short period
of time. Try patchy internet or maybe power for 2 hours a day or none.

We are lucky we are not in a war zone either.


Also you have to remember English might be a second language and it
might not come out right. yes there are translators you can use from
off the net if you have it.


it might not be the case of the one in the thread or it could be.


They should not have to justify either why they can not upgrade
either. If they mentioned it and they said they were from a third
world country you might be surprised how many there may be on the list.


have a look at the nvda user statistics then figure how many of them
are from them.


the link to this page is
http://community.nvda-project.org/usersByCountry.html
<http://community.nvda-project.org/usersByCountry.html>

I am not sure if all the countries are mentioned and they are the ones
where nvda can contact the internet each day.


If there is no internet or patchy internet it may be even higher the
amount of nvda users.


In countries like that would they even get funding for a screen reader
etc?


So yes some of us can afford to move on with upgrades to a computer or
buy a new one etc but not all of us can.


Gene nz






On 10/13/2017 4:45 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Brian,

I understand that there might be difficult situations as to why people
can't afford a new computer. What I have a problem with is that this
person expects the rest of us to conform to her world. She expects
developers to keep an old system going and that's impossible. Like I said
before, it's like asking a manufacturer to keep developing parts for an
old wringer washing machine when they don't even make them anymore. There
are organizations that are willing to help people get either new or
refurbished computer. I didn't start out with a brand-new computer. My
first one was an old windows 98 computer that I got from Computers for
the Blind in Texas.

Rosemarie

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

It can be difficult for some people. I think we are not really
appreciating that not everyone can do this successfully or afford to do
so either.
I think saying i don't see why is a little bit like saying I have no
problem getting water, I use the rain, but if you live in the desert,
then any rain is unlikely to foll your tanks!
It is what it is and people have to work around that.
Brian

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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria"<knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


I still don't get it. You keep saying there are personal reasons that
you
can't update. None of the rest of us have this problem.



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zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:47 PM
To:nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

there is no verse in the quran, but for me is sin updating for reasons
that
i cant explane in a public place!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria<knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
It's one thing to want to stay with XP but don't demand that the rest
of us conform to you. You don't have that right.



-----Original Message-----
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zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:05 PM
To:nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i said that using and selecting one technology, software and operating
system is freedom of choice and be related to every person to update
or not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria<knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I disagree. It's not about freedom of choice when it comes to old
systems.
Asking developers to keep maintaining ancient systems is like asking
a manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer washing
machine.
Things change and you have to either move along with the change or
get left behind.



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zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:25 PM
To:nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select
the favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!
noone should not force others to change, just because beeing uptodate
and jusg for change and new things to come!

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Probably both! :-)

Brian

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From: "Antony Stone"<antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


Um... erudite or luddite?

Antony.

On Tuesday 10 October 2017 at 18:59:03, Brian wrote:

I'm a bit of erudite as well. I enjoy playing with new stuff, but
if I'm trying to get stuff done the muscle memory used for reading
emails and other stuff takes a lot to relearn so why bother when
its still working.
Brian
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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
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you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can
use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To
find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
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Re: question about comparison between current versions of nvda since 2017.1 about stability

Robert Mendoza
 

my pleasure, Peter.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/12/2017 3:33 PM, Peter Chin wrote:
Thanks so much, Robert,  for your help.

-----Original Message----- From: Robert Mendoza
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question about comparison between current versions of
nvda since 2017.1 about stability

You have to uncheck all the items selection under the Side Bar in the
View menu

Robert Mendoza

On 10/10/2017 4:34 PM, Peter Chin wrote:
Excuse me, but how do you close the side bar?


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Subject: Re: [nvda] question about comparison between current versions of
nvda since 2017.1 about stability

I quite liked 48, but 522 was good too.
Strangely these are the last versions that work on XP as well.


55 is OK but it has a certain issue of saying it cannot download pages the
first time it accesses them and this has got far worse as time has moved
on.
Then 56 needs to have the sidebar closed to give focus to the page, and 57
seems to have some weird quirks in the actual rendering engine compared to
55.

Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2017 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question about comparison between current versions of
nvda since 2017.1 about stability


hi felix.
which version of firefox for you was the best version in speed and
stability?
thanks so much for sharing your experience for me.
is the degradation present with previous versions of firefox or not?
God bless you and his mercy for your help!

On 10/8/17, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi!
User experience depends on many factors, meaning any combination of
hardware, screen reader version, Windows version, and browser is unique
and
may have its unique quirks.
My experience is that with NVDA 2017.3 there has not been any
stability-related problem I could not resolve by restarting NVDA.
Responsiveness with Firefox has degraded for me over the recent months
with
Firefox updates, but there have been no real hangs or crashes.
However I doubt my observations will be applicable to your situation,
nevertheless I'm trying to be as helpful as I can be.
Kind regards,
Felix

zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> schrieb am Sa., 7. Okt. 2017 um 09:38
Uhr:

hi quentin.
could you please you help me in this regard?
God bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you.

On 10/7/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi antony and all.
as i told in my first message, the best version for me is the most
stable version.
the version which has good performance in all windows versions,
different browsers specially firefox for me without becoming
unresponsive, hang or crash.
i had many issues using firefox, including hang, brows mode not
working, and even forcing shutdown the computer with power button
because my computer became unresponsive and even i could not use
keyboard sometimes!
i had this problem since nvda 2016.3 and later.
i also did not use 2016.2 because of problems for farsi
punctuations.
but i tested it one time and it was slow to response in firefox
and i
dont remember if it caused any other problem for me or not.
the only stable version that i did not face hang,
unresponsiveness or
need to use shutdown via power button, in this year and last
year is
2017.1
thats the main reason that i mentioned in one of my previous post
that
i realy dont want to update my nvda!
i had other reasons for this, but this problem was very annoying
for
me and caused cant doing all the things that i need properly and
fast!
also 2017.2 which was the most favorite version for me, became slow
many times for me, sometimes silent and unresponsive and i remember
that in the first day that i installed it, i fourced to shutdown my
laptop via power button!
hope that someone can help me and introduce me the best version of
nvda without such issues!
i also installed nvda 17.3 to see the result yesterday and until
now,
did not experience such problems in one day except one page
which is
very slow using nvda for me to response!
God bless you all!

On 10/7/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Well we must remember we are dealing with a new engine mod for
mozilla
stuff so there will be some bugs.

I have found 56 quite stable for the most part.




On 6/10/2017 11:11 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
wrote:
Use Firefox 55 or before and all seems pretty good. Indeed the
only
gripe I have about 55 and some earlier ones is that when first
launched it often complains that the page cannot be found.
However
try
again normally finds it. its trying to be too swift of its
marks i
think before the address is resolved.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "zahra" >>>
<nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2017 7:18 AM
Subject: [nvda] question about comparison between current
versions >>> of
nvda since 2017.1 about stability


hello every one.
firefox browser is the most important program for me after nvda
currently.
i wish that know between versions 2017.1, 2017.2 and 2017.3 of
nvda
which one is the most compatible version using browsers
specially
firefox in stability, not hang or crash without causing the
problem
(not responding) for both nvda and browser?
i read nvda 17.2 hanged many times and some people requested
link
for
return to 17.1 after releasing 17.2
but i even heard that 17.3 hangs using browsers.
could you please share your experience with me in this regard?
i appreciate any help, specially from nvda expert users and
developers.
God bless you and i sincerely pray for you every day.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of
salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org





.




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of >
salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org












Re: A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

Ian Westerland
 

How do you find System Access use? Reviews say it is difficult to get started and use. It isn't a program I have explored, but as I transition from Window-Eyes to NVDA as my main computer access program, it is interesting to explore the alternatives.


Ian Westerland

On 10/13/2017 4:02 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I rarely ever use it because NVDA works well for most of my needs. I just use system access to go only if I'm trying to fill out a survey and NVDA doesn't see everything but that doesn't happen too often.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.
The site claims it needs internet explorer to make most things talk. You can't pay me enough to use that bloated bug ridden piece of crap. No thanks, Guess I'll never be using system access to go ever.
On 10/12/2017 11:18 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Anthony,

The link for system access to go is www.satogo.com. Hit alt R to get it running. After you hear it start talking, tab to the create an account button and hit the space bar on it. Type in your username which would be your email address. Then tab to another edit box. Here you'll type your phone number including the area code. After that, you tab to the password field and type in a password. Last but not least, tab to the login button and hit the space bar or enter on it.

Hope this helps.

Rosemarie

P.S. The account is free if you're using it on the internet. You have to be on the internet to be able to use it.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
anthony borg
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 5:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

Hi rosemarie
Can you please explain to me how that system access really works?
Thanks in advance
Anthony

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 12 October 2017 06:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

Hi, Tony,

I had a similar situation. NVDA didn't see everything in the survey that I was trying to fill out for Microsoft so I used system access to go and it worked beautifully.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Tony Ballou
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 6:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

Hi John,


As a former computer instructor who has gone tech, I can tell you that it pays to have at least one backup screen reader in your arsenal. Just last week, I was filling out a survey on the Microsoft site using NVDA and it didn't read things correctly. I switched to window eyes 9.54 to read the same survey and it read things without a hitch, window eyes has saved me in a couple of earlier situations as well. NVDA is still my main screen reader of choice, however, I'll say it again, it does not hurt to have a backup screen reader.


Tony




On 10/7/2017 3:55 PM, John Isige wrote:
Hi all. Over the years I've heard several of you say that multiple
screen readers are a good thing, so much so that some have advocated
keeping demo copies installed, just in case. So I have a question.
Can you give specific cases where this is useful?


I ask this because I started using NVDA full time because I decided
to try it for a month. During that time, I ran into one or two things
where NVDA didn't read text, I think installers and the like but I
can't remember exactly, since it was like three or four years ago.
I'd fire up JFW, and it would produce the exact same results. That
demonstrated, to me at least, that I didn't get any real advantages
out of running jaws.


Now don't misunderstand me. I'm not trying to start a fight here. I'm
not saying that jaws is bad or anything. I'm just saying that when I
ran into potential issues with NVDA, jaws didn't solve those issues
either. Since NVDA was doing everything else I wanted, I concluded
that switching wouldn't cause me to lose any access. So I'm curious
to know what things you might gain access to with jaws or another
screen reader that you can't get with NVDA. I suppose the obvious
example would be anything with jaws scripts, I don't know if things
like Dolphin have scripts or not. But I mean, I've just heard people
advocate this, like I've said, you know have a demo copy installed
and stuff like that. So I'd just like to hear of any specific cases
where another screenreader has helped. I think it would be really
useful to know that kind of thing.
















Re: question about comparison between current versions of nvda since 2017.1 about stability

Peter Chin
 

Thanks so much, Robert, for your help.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Mendoza
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question about comparison between current versions of
nvda since 2017.1 about stability

You have to uncheck all the items selection under the Side Bar in the
View menu

Robert Mendoza

On 10/10/2017 4:34 PM, Peter Chin wrote:
Excuse me, but how do you close the side bar?


-----Original Message----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 1:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question about comparison between current versions of
nvda since 2017.1 about stability

I quite liked 48, but 522 was good too.
Strangely these are the last versions that work on XP as well.


55 is OK but it has a certain issue of saying it cannot download pages the
first time it accesses them and this has got far worse as time has moved
on.
Then 56 needs to have the sidebar closed to give focus to the page, and 57
seems to have some weird quirks in the actual rendering engine compared to
55.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2017 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question about comparison between current versions of
nvda since 2017.1 about stability


hi felix.
which version of firefox for you was the best version in speed and
stability?
thanks so much for sharing your experience for me.
is the degradation present with previous versions of firefox or not?
God bless you and his mercy for your help!

On 10/8/17, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi!
User experience depends on many factors, meaning any combination of
hardware, screen reader version, Windows version, and browser is unique
and
may have its unique quirks.
My experience is that with NVDA 2017.3 there has not been any
stability-related problem I could not resolve by restarting NVDA.
Responsiveness with Firefox has degraded for me over the recent months
with
Firefox updates, but there have been no real hangs or crashes.
However I doubt my observations will be applicable to your situation,
nevertheless I'm trying to be as helpful as I can be.
Kind regards,
Felix

zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> schrieb am Sa., 7. Okt. 2017 um 09:38
Uhr:

hi quentin.
could you please you help me in this regard?
God bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you.

On 10/7/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi antony and all.
as i told in my first message, the best version for me is the most
stable version.
the version which has good performance in all windows versions,
different browsers specially firefox for me without becoming
unresponsive, hang or crash.
i had many issues using firefox, including hang, brows mode not
working, and even forcing shutdown the computer with power button
because my computer became unresponsive and even i could not use
keyboard sometimes!
i had this problem since nvda 2016.3 and later.
i also did not use 2016.2 because of problems for farsi
punctuations.
but i tested it one time and it was slow to response in firefox
and i
dont remember if it caused any other problem for me or not.
the only stable version that i did not face hang,
unresponsiveness or
need to use shutdown via power button, in this year and last year is
2017.1
thats the main reason that i mentioned in one of my previous post
that
i realy dont want to update my nvda!
i had other reasons for this, but this problem was very annoying for
me and caused cant doing all the things that i need properly and
fast!
also 2017.2 which was the most favorite version for me, became slow
many times for me, sometimes silent and unresponsive and i remember
that in the first day that i installed it, i fourced to shutdown my
laptop via power button!
hope that someone can help me and introduce me the best version of
nvda without such issues!
i also installed nvda 17.3 to see the result yesterday and until
now,
did not experience such problems in one day except one page which is
very slow using nvda for me to response!
God bless you all!

On 10/7/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Well we must remember we are dealing with a new engine mod for
mozilla
stuff so there will be some bugs.

I have found 56 quite stable for the most part.




On 6/10/2017 11:11 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
wrote:
Use Firefox 55 or before and all seems pretty good. Indeed the
only
gripe I have about 55 and some earlier ones is that when first
launched it often complains that the page cannot be found. However
try
again normally finds it. its trying to be too swift of its marks i
think before the address is resolved.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "zahra" >>>
<nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2017 7:18 AM
Subject: [nvda] question about comparison between current
versions >>> of
nvda since 2017.1 about stability


hello every one.
firefox browser is the most important program for me after nvda
currently.
i wish that know between versions 2017.1, 2017.2 and 2017.3 of
nvda
which one is the most compatible version using browsers specially
firefox in stability, not hang or crash without causing the
problem
(not responding) for both nvda and browser?
i read nvda 17.2 hanged many times and some people requested link
for
return to 17.1 after releasing 17.2
but i even heard that 17.3 hangs using browsers.
could you please share your experience with me in this regard?
i appreciate any help, specially from nvda expert users and
developers.
God bless you and i sincerely pray for you every day.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of
salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org





.




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of >
salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org








Re: A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I rarely ever use it because NVDA works well for most of my needs. I just use system access to go only if I'm trying to fill out a survey and NVDA doesn't see everything but that doesn't happen too often.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

The site claims it needs internet explorer to make most things talk. You can't pay me enough to use that bloated bug ridden piece of crap. No thanks, Guess I'll never be using system access to go ever.


On 10/12/2017 11:18 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Anthony,

The link for system access to go is www.satogo.com. Hit alt R to get it running. After you hear it start talking, tab to the create an account button and hit the space bar on it. Type in your username which would be your email address. Then tab to another edit box. Here you'll type your phone number including the area code. After that, you tab to the password field and type in a password. Last but not least, tab to the login button and hit the space bar or enter on it.

Hope this helps.

Rosemarie

P.S. The account is free if you're using it on the internet. You have to be on the internet to be able to use it.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
anthony borg
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 5:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

Hi rosemarie
Can you please explain to me how that system access really works?
Thanks in advance
Anthony

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 12 October 2017 06:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

Hi, Tony,

I had a similar situation. NVDA didn't see everything in the survey that I was trying to fill out for Microsoft so I used system access to go and it worked beautifully.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Tony Ballou
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 6:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

Hi John,


As a former computer instructor who has gone tech, I can tell you that it pays to have at least one backup screen reader in your arsenal. Just last week, I was filling out a survey on the Microsoft site using NVDA and it didn't read things correctly. I switched to window eyes 9.54 to read the same survey and it read things without a hitch, window eyes has saved me in a couple of earlier situations as well. NVDA is still my main screen reader of choice, however, I'll say it again, it does not hurt to have a backup screen reader.


Tony




On 10/7/2017 3:55 PM, John Isige wrote:
Hi all. Over the years I've heard several of you say that multiple
screen readers are a good thing, so much so that some have advocated
keeping demo copies installed, just in case. So I have a question.
Can you give specific cases where this is useful?


I ask this because I started using NVDA full time because I decided
to try it for a month. During that time, I ran into one or two things
where NVDA didn't read text, I think installers and the like but I
can't remember exactly, since it was like three or four years ago.
I'd fire up JFW, and it would produce the exact same results. That
demonstrated, to me at least, that I didn't get any real advantages
out of running jaws.


Now don't misunderstand me. I'm not trying to start a fight here. I'm
not saying that jaws is bad or anything. I'm just saying that when I
ran into potential issues with NVDA, jaws didn't solve those issues
either. Since NVDA was doing everything else I wanted, I concluded
that switching wouldn't cause me to lose any access. So I'm curious
to know what things you might gain access to with jaws or another
screen reader that you can't get with NVDA. I suppose the obvious
example would be anything with jaws scripts, I don't know if things
like Dolphin have scripts or not. But I mean, I've just heard people
advocate this, like I've said, you know have a demo copy installed
and stuff like that. So I'd just like to hear of any specific cases
where another screenreader has helped. I think it would be really
useful to know that kind of thing.
















Re: A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

LOL, People have such different experiences with programs! :) I still use IE as my primary browser. Chrome more and more and Firefox very little with the current issues it is having...

On 10/12/2017 8:34 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
The site claims it needs internet explorer to make most things talk. You can't pay me enough to use that bloated bug ridden piece of crap.  No thanks, Guess I'll never be using system access to go ever.


On 10/12/2017 11:18 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Anthony,

The link for system access to go is www.satogo.com. Hit alt R to get it running. After you hear it start talking, tab to the create an account button and hit the space bar on it. Type in your username which would be your email address. Then tab to another edit box. Here you'll type your phone number including the area code. After that, you tab to the password field and type in a password. Last but not least, tab to the login button and hit the space bar or enter on it.

Hope this helps.

Rosemarie

P.S. The account is free if you're using it on the internet. You have to be on the internet to be able to use it.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 5:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

Hi rosemarie
Can you please explain to me how that system access really works?
Thanks in advance
Anthony

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 12 October 2017 06:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

Hi, Tony,

I had a similar situation. NVDA didn't see everything in the survey that I was trying to fill out for Microsoft so I used system access to go and it worked beautifully.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 6:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

Hi John,


As a former computer instructor who has gone tech, I can tell you that it pays to have at least one backup screen reader in your arsenal. Just last week, I was filling out a survey on the Microsoft site using NVDA and it didn't read things correctly. I switched to window eyes 9.54 to read the same survey and it read things without a hitch, window eyes has saved me in a couple of earlier situations as well. NVDA is still my main screen reader of choice, however, I'll say it again, it does not hurt to have a backup screen reader.


Tony




On 10/7/2017 3:55 PM, John Isige wrote:
Hi all. Over the years I've heard several of you say that multiple
screen readers are a good thing, so much so that some have advocated
keeping demo copies installed, just in case. So I have a question. Can
you give specific cases where this is useful?


I ask this because I started using NVDA full time because I decided to
try it for a month. During that time, I ran into one or two things
where NVDA didn't read text, I think installers and the like but I
can't remember exactly, since it was like three or four years ago. I'd
fire up JFW, and it would produce the exact same results. That
demonstrated, to me at least, that I didn't get any real advantages
out of running jaws.


Now don't misunderstand me. I'm not trying to start a fight here. I'm
not saying that jaws is bad or anything. I'm just saying that when I
ran into potential issues with NVDA, jaws didn't solve those issues
either. Since NVDA was doing everything else I wanted, I concluded
that switching wouldn't cause me to lose any access. So I'm curious to
know what things you might gain access to with jaws or another screen
reader that you can't get with NVDA. I suppose the obvious example
would be anything with jaws scripts, I don't know if things like
Dolphin have scripts or not. But I mean, I've just heard people
advocate this, like I've said, you know have a demo copy installed and
stuff like that. So I'd just like to hear of any specific cases where
another screenreader has helped. I think it would be really useful to
know that kind of thing.

















--
Sincerely: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
Grants Pass, Or.


Re: A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

The site claims it needs internet explorer to make most things talk.  You can't pay me enough to use that bloated bug ridden piece of crap.  No thanks, Guess I'll never be using system access to go ever.

On 10/12/2017 11:18 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Anthony,

The link for system access to go is www.satogo.com. Hit alt R to get it running. After you hear it start talking, tab to the create an account button and hit the space bar on it. Type in your username which would be your email address. Then tab to another edit box. Here you'll type your phone number including the area code. After that, you tab to the password field and type in a password. Last but not least, tab to the login button and hit the space bar or enter on it.

Hope this helps.

Rosemarie

P.S. The account is free if you're using it on the internet. You have to be on the internet to be able to use it.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 5:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

Hi rosemarie
Can you please explain to me how that system access really works?
Thanks in advance
Anthony

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 12 October 2017 06:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

Hi, Tony,

I had a similar situation. NVDA didn't see everything in the survey that I was trying to fill out for Microsoft so I used system access to go and it worked beautifully.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 6:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

Hi John,


As a former computer instructor who has gone tech, I can tell you that it pays to have at least one backup screen reader in your arsenal. Just last week, I was filling out a survey on the Microsoft site using NVDA and it didn't read things correctly. I switched to window eyes 9.54 to read the same survey and it read things without a hitch, window eyes has saved me in a couple of earlier situations as well. NVDA is still my main screen reader of choice, however, I'll say it again, it does not hurt to have a backup screen reader.


Tony




On 10/7/2017 3:55 PM, John Isige wrote:
Hi all. Over the years I've heard several of you say that multiple
screen readers are a good thing, so much so that some have advocated
keeping demo copies installed, just in case. So I have a question. Can
you give specific cases where this is useful?


I ask this because I started using NVDA full time because I decided to
try it for a month. During that time, I ran into one or two things
where NVDA didn't read text, I think installers and the like but I
can't remember exactly, since it was like three or four years ago. I'd
fire up JFW, and it would produce the exact same results. That
demonstrated, to me at least, that I didn't get any real advantages
out of running jaws.


Now don't misunderstand me. I'm not trying to start a fight here. I'm
not saying that jaws is bad or anything. I'm just saying that when I
ran into potential issues with NVDA, jaws didn't solve those issues
either. Since NVDA was doing everything else I wanted, I concluded
that switching wouldn't cause me to lose any access. So I'm curious to
know what things you might gain access to with jaws or another screen
reader that you can't get with NVDA. I suppose the obvious example
would be anything with jaws scripts, I don't know if things like
Dolphin have scripts or not. But I mean, I've just heard people
advocate this, like I've said, you know have a demo copy installed and
stuff like that. So I'd just like to hear of any specific cases where
another screenreader has helped. I think it would be really useful to
know that kind of thing.















Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Robert Mendoza
 

I totally agreed with Gene Nz about his message. These are the fact that we are facing here in the 3rd world country. I am not ashamed for where I live for, but before I lost my sight I could able to work in multi-company and globally had experience for 10 years in computing. Until such time and due to in forbidden circumstances I lost my sight in 2012 which forced me to stopped, and need to recuperate after the very extensive illness. And it took me for two years to get back again in the cyberspace for some reason I was looking for resources that could aid my mobility but it turns out that there is little chance I got from the local agency here. Though there is NGO or non-profit offices helping blind people here  but it is not sufficient to provide all the adaptive devices that I could used with so rather to spend me and used my saving instead to buy new machine but again the problem never stop cause I need a screen reader. We have jaws that is available here but kinda expensive and with the help of my family and good friends they searched for nvda that is free. That is how my journey begin and continue my passion in computing, and because of the determination and will of passion in computers I get involve with other by helping others who could not afford nor to have knowledge to use of computers and etc in my own little way to share my knowledge into them. That is my advocacy to propagate to used nvda as the alternative screen reader instead of jaws but never forced them to strictly focus with other or one screen instead just to explore there mind, and rather to look that really suits on there needs. However, due to demand of commercialization of rapid changes in the software they decided to use nvda as there primary screen reader cause I may say nvda is likely to be consider as premium applications to be reliable. And, that is how I would took the opportunity to thanks all the contributors,developers, and other agency to support nvda to continue developing to improves ones life. To share this in order of us could have freedom to communicate Again, having a choice is not a key here but how one persons could have to be not to condemn others by not having not to update to the software they wanted to use and not of us here forbids if they like or prefer to used old or unsupported software. I am not forcing them nor to promote as well pirated software here The idea is that we aim for good relations instead of hatred by forcing them to update to were they could not afford.

Robert Mendoza
On 10/13/2017 4:38 AM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


That might be in a first world country though.

We might be lucky and get funding or some one else pays the bill.


Not in our country here but i have seen people on the list where the government will provide a braille display to ones who use braille. It does not happen here and we are a first world country.

Here my disibility allowance will pay for a screen reader or video magnifier if i need one but would rather use nvda for my screen reader.


You have to remember that there are people from other countries on this list and they will be from a as they say a third world  country.


they might be lucky and have a christian group or another purchase it for them. Also the wages if any in some of these countries people in a first world country would not even work for them.

They might even have to use pirated software for there screen reader if they did not know of the nvda screen reader.


Only a couple of weeks ago i got contacted and a christian group was going to buy a computer for a person I forgot the name of the country but it was a third world one and they were also going to drop a copy of nvda onto it. I also mentioned they could have as many copies of nvda as they like for other computers etc I also said about the price of jaws and they did not even want to go there.

Now they know of NVDA that could make a real difference when they go into some of these countries. But only for the visually impaired and blind.



I do agree things need to move on like going from a horse to a car etc but not every one can do it and this is more in a third world country.


Just look  around in a third world country and see how well we have it. We complain when we have no internet or power for a short period of time. Try patchy internet or maybe power for 2 hours a day or none.

We are lucky we are not in a war zone either.


Also you have to remember English might be a second language and it might not come out right. yes there are translators you can use from off the net if you have it.


it might not be the case of the one in the thread or it could be.


They should not have to justify either why they can not upgrade either. If they mentioned it and they said they were from a third world country you might be surprised how many there may be on the list.


have a look at the nvda user statistics then figure how many of them are from them.


the link to this page is http://community.nvda-project.org/usersByCountry.html

I am not sure if all the countries are mentioned and they are the ones where nvda can contact the internet each day.


If there is no internet or patchy internet it may be even higher the amount of nvda users.

 

In countries like that would they even get funding for a screen reader etc?


So yes some of us can afford to move on with upgrades to a computer or buy a new one etc but not all of us can.


Gene nz






On 10/13/2017 4:45 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Brian,

I understand that there might be difficult situations as to why people can't afford a new computer. What I have a problem with is that this person expects the rest of us to conform to her world. She expects developers to keep an old system going and that's impossible. Like I said before, it's like asking a manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer washing machine when they don't even make them anymore. There are organizations that are willing to help people get either new or refurbished computer. I didn't start out with a brand-new computer. My first one was an old windows 98 computer that I got from Computers for the Blind in Texas.

Rosemarie

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Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 1:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

It can be difficult for some people. I think we are not really appreciating that not everyone can do this successfully or afford to do so either.
 I think saying i don't see why is a little bit like saying  I have no problem getting water, I use the rain, but if you live in the desert, then any rain is unlikely to foll your tanks!
 It is what it is and people have to work around that.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


I still don't get it. You keep saying there are personal reasons that you 
can't update. None of the rest of us have this problem.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

there is no verse in the quran, but for me is sin updating for reasons that 
i cant explane in a public place!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
It's one thing to want to stay with XP but don't demand that the rest
of us conform to you. You don't have that right.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i said that using and selecting one technology, software and operating
system is freedom of choice and be related to every person to update
or not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I disagree. It's not about freedom of choice when it comes to old
systems.
Asking developers to keep maintaining ancient systems is like asking
a manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer washing 
machine.
Things change and you have to either move along with the change or
get left behind.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select
the favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!
noone should not force others to change, just because beeing uptodate
and jusg for change and new things to come!

On 10/10/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
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Probably both! :-)

 Brian

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From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


Um... erudite or luddite?

Antony.

On Tuesday 10 October 2017 at 18:59:03, Brian wrote:

I'm a bit of erudite as well. I enjoy playing with new stuff, but
if I'm trying to get stuff done the muscle memory used for reading
emails and other stuff takes a lot to relearn so why bother when
its still working.
Brian
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best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages 
www.al-islam.org













--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


If you look on the about page for NVACCESS at https://www.nvaccess.org/about/our-story/


They could see the bigger picture as mentioned on that page.


But at some time they had to stop support for xp users and vista users. That was a couple more years than some other who sell a similar product.

the boys saw the need and this is how the project started in the about section..

Some of us even in a first world country can not do it or be aware of any funding around us if any.

Just look at some of the schools here you can get funding going through school jobs etc but not in one of those there may be no support.

We are all in different situations around the world we do not all get a benefit either.

Gene nz
 


On 10/13/2017 9:38 AM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


That might be in a first world country though.

We might be lucky and get funding or some one else pays the bill.


Not in our country here but i have seen people on the list where the government will provide a braille display to ones who use braille. It does not happen here and we are a first world country.

Here my disibility allowance will pay for a screen reader or video magnifier if i need one but would rather use nvda for my screen reader.


You have to remember that there are people from other countries on this list and they will be from a as they say a third world  country.


they might be lucky and have a christian group or another purchase it for them. Also the wages if any in some of these countries people in a first world country would not even work for them.

They might even have to use pirated software for there screen reader if they did not know of the nvda screen reader.


Only a couple of weeks ago i got contacted and a christian group was going to buy a computer for a person I forgot the name of the country but it was a third world one and they were also going to drop a copy of nvda onto it. I also mentioned they could have as many copies of nvda as they like for other computers etc I also said about the price of jaws and they did not even want to go there.

Now they know of NVDA that could make a real difference when they go into some of these countries. But only for the visually impaired and blind.



I do agree things need to move on like going from a horse to a car etc but not every one can do it and this is more in a third world country.


Just look  around in a third world country and see how well we have it. We complain when we have no internet or power for a short period of time. Try patchy internet or maybe power for 2 hours a day or none.

We are lucky we are not in a war zone either.


Also you have to remember English might be a second language and it might not come out right. yes there are translators you can use from off the net if you have it.


it might not be the case of the one in the thread or it could be.


They should not have to justify either why they can not upgrade either. If they mentioned it and they said they were from a third world country you might be surprised how many there may be on the list.


have a look at the nvda user statistics then figure how many of them are from them.


the link to this page is http://community.nvda-project.org/usersByCountry.html

I am not sure if all the countries are mentioned and they are the ones where nvda can contact the internet each day.


If there is no internet or patchy internet it may be even higher the amount of nvda users.

 

In countries like that would they even get funding for a screen reader etc?


So yes some of us can afford to move on with upgrades to a computer or buy a new one etc but not all of us can.


Gene nz






On 10/13/2017 4:45 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Brian,

I understand that there might be difficult situations as to why people can't afford a new computer. What I have a problem with is that this person expects the rest of us to conform to her world. She expects developers to keep an old system going and that's impossible. Like I said before, it's like asking a manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer washing machine when they don't even make them anymore. There are organizations that are willing to help people get either new or refurbished computer. I didn't start out with a brand-new computer. My first one was an old windows 98 computer that I got from Computers for the Blind in Texas.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 1:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

It can be difficult for some people. I think we are not really appreciating that not everyone can do this successfully or afford to do so either.
 I think saying i don't see why is a little bit like saying  I have no problem getting water, I use the rain, but if you live in the desert, then any rain is unlikely to foll your tanks!
 It is what it is and people have to work around that.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


I still don't get it. You keep saying there are personal reasons that you 
can't update. None of the rest of us have this problem.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

there is no verse in the quran, but for me is sin updating for reasons that 
i cant explane in a public place!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
It's one thing to want to stay with XP but don't demand that the rest
of us conform to you. You don't have that right.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i said that using and selecting one technology, software and operating
system is freedom of choice and be related to every person to update
or not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I disagree. It's not about freedom of choice when it comes to old
systems.
Asking developers to keep maintaining ancient systems is like asking
a manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer washing 
machine.
Things change and you have to either move along with the change or
get left behind.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select
the favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!
noone should not force others to change, just because beeing uptodate
and jusg for change and new things to come!

On 10/10/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
Probably both! :-)

 Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


Um... erudite or luddite?

Antony.

On Tuesday 10 October 2017 at 18:59:03, Brian wrote:

I'm a bit of erudite as well. I enjoy playing with new stuff, but
if I'm trying to get stuff done the muscle memory used for reading
emails and other stuff takes a lot to relearn so why bother when
its still working.
Brian
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in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages 
www.al-islam.org













--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Python IDE

Anthony Lawlor <antlaw0@...>
 

Hi,

I use Notepad++ for all my coding. It is accessible with NVDA. You
could also try Eclipse.

On 10/12/17, Alessandro Albano via Groups.Io
<sharkboy_torino=yahoo.it@groups.io> wrote:
Hi everyone,
I wanted to know what IDE were used to develop in python language. Eclipse?
Visual Studio? Other?
I'm attending a course and wanted to know what was the most accessible IDE
to use for a blind people.
Thanks.

--
Alessandro





Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


That might be in a first world country though.

We might be lucky and get funding or some one else pays the bill.


Not in our country here but i have seen people on the list where the government will provide a braille display to ones who use braille. It does not happen here and we are a first world country.

Here my disibility allowance will pay for a screen reader or video magnifier if i need one but would rather use nvda for my screen reader.


You have to remember that there are people from other countries on this list and they will be from a as they say a third world  country.


they might be lucky and have a christian group or another purchase it for them. Also the wages if any in some of these countries people in a first world country would not even work for them.

They might even have to use pirated software for there screen reader if they did not know of the nvda screen reader.


Only a couple of weeks ago i got contacted and a christian group was going to buy a computer for a person I forgot the name of the country but it was a third world one and they were also going to drop a copy of nvda onto it. I also mentioned they could have as many copies of nvda as they like for other computers etc I also said about the price of jaws and they did not even want to go there.

Now they know of NVDA that could make a real difference when they go into some of these countries. But only for the visually impaired and blind.



I do agree things need to move on like going from a horse to a car etc but not every one can do it and this is more in a third world country.


Just look  around in a third world country and see how well we have it. We complain when we have no internet or power for a short period of time. Try patchy internet or maybe power for 2 hours a day or none.

We are lucky we are not in a war zone either.


Also you have to remember English might be a second language and it might not come out right. yes there are translators you can use from off the net if you have it.


it might not be the case of the one in the thread or it could be.


They should not have to justify either why they can not upgrade either. If they mentioned it and they said they were from a third world country you might be surprised how many there may be on the list.


have a look at the nvda user statistics then figure how many of them are from them.


the link to this page is http://community.nvda-project.org/usersByCountry.html

I am not sure if all the countries are mentioned and they are the ones where nvda can contact the internet each day.


If there is no internet or patchy internet it may be even higher the amount of nvda users.

 

In countries like that would they even get funding for a screen reader etc?


So yes some of us can afford to move on with upgrades to a computer or buy a new one etc but not all of us can.


Gene nz






On 10/13/2017 4:45 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Brian,

I understand that there might be difficult situations as to why people can't afford a new computer. What I have a problem with is that this person expects the rest of us to conform to her world. She expects developers to keep an old system going and that's impossible. Like I said before, it's like asking a manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer washing machine when they don't even make them anymore. There are organizations that are willing to help people get either new or refurbished computer. I didn't start out with a brand-new computer. My first one was an old windows 98 computer that I got from Computers for the Blind in Texas.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 1:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

It can be difficult for some people. I think we are not really appreciating that not everyone can do this successfully or afford to do so either.
 I think saying i don't see why is a little bit like saying  I have no problem getting water, I use the rain, but if you live in the desert, then any rain is unlikely to foll your tanks!
 It is what it is and people have to work around that.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


I still don't get it. You keep saying there are personal reasons that you 
can't update. None of the rest of us have this problem.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

there is no verse in the quran, but for me is sin updating for reasons that 
i cant explane in a public place!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
It's one thing to want to stay with XP but don't demand that the rest
of us conform to you. You don't have that right.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i said that using and selecting one technology, software and operating
system is freedom of choice and be related to every person to update
or not!
noone should not deprive us from our legitimate right!

On 10/12/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I disagree. It's not about freedom of choice when it comes to old
systems.
Asking developers to keep maintaining ancient systems is like asking
a manufacturer to keep developing parts for an old wringer washing 
machine.
Things change and you have to either move along with the change or
get left behind.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

i agree with maintaining all old aincient technology forever!
its freedom of choice for every person and his-her right to select
the favorite programs, office, operating systems etc!
noone should not force others to change, just because beeing uptodate
and jusg for change and new things to come!

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Probably both! :-)

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


Um... erudite or luddite?

Antony.

On Tuesday 10 October 2017 at 18:59:03, Brian wrote:

I'm a bit of erudite as well. I enjoy playing with new stuff, but
if I'm trying to get stuff done the muscle memory used for reading
emails and other stuff takes a lot to relearn so why bother when
its still working.
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Javscript events keydown not working when nvda is turned on. #NVAccess #NVDACon

snadimpa@...
 

Keydown event on body $('body').on('keydown',function(){}) does not trigger the callback function when NVDA is switched on.

When it is switched off it works as expected by executing code in the call back function.

Any solution or hacks are welcome?.


Re: NVDA with Notepad++

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

In my case, my college asked us to use either notepad plusplus or sublime. Sublime is either really naggy, or really expensive depending on which poison you like. Notepad plusplus is no cost, no nag, and on my system it's been totally accessible. I guess I didn't have to take the recommendation. In class I use droid edit on my motorola phone. I'd do all my labs on mobile, but testing and debugging are easier on a pc.

Best,

Erik

On October 11, 2017 2:22:06 AM "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za> wrote:

May I ask another, slightly related question?


Why does notepad++ get recommended so much as a code editor for VI
guys/screenreader users, when problems like this keep on getting mentioned?


I ask this since, while I do have it installed here, for handling a
couple of things relating to characterset encoding, it has never been,
and, will never be my primary code editor, since for working with things
like PHP, javascript, HTML and python, edSharp has always provided a
much better programmer's interface, interaction, and, has never really
given me any issues with regards to screen reader usage, etc.


And, no, this is not anything like a form of rant, but, just wondering
why notepad++ consistently gets recommended to screenreader users for a
programmer's editor, when these issues seem to consistently keep on
getting mentioned?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
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On 2017/10/11 07:57, zahra wrote:
hi.
i turned on wordwrap in notepad plus plus and have the problem about cursor!
please someone guide me too.
God bless you all!

On 10/11/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Are you saying, that if, for example, you down arrow four times from the top
of a document, you hear line 9? I want to be completely sure what you are
describing. Are you talking about what you hear when you use the arrow keys
or what you hear when you use screen review commands such as numpad 8 for
read current line?

Is word wrap on in Notepad or off? Is NVDA set to object navigation as the
review setting or screen review or something else?

I'm not sure what's causing the problem but I want to be sure what the
problem is and how things are set.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Hi,
I am a software development student who is visually impaired. I use
NVDA to navigate my computer and notepad++ for all my coding. The one
thing that has plagued me is that when I put my cursor on a line in
notepad++, NVDA reads five lines below where my cursor is instead of
the line my cursor is actually on. This makes coding more difficult
for me. Is there a way to get NVDA to read my current line that I have
my cursor on in notepad++ instead of five lines below?

Thank you



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Re: Requesting some information

Sarah k Alawami
 

No issues on  here. It's accessible, at least on mac. I'll have to play with it in windows as I got everythign working over here just fine. I have 100 gigs to play with so I'm all good. Everythign is labeled over here quite clearly.

Take care

On Oct 12, 2017, at 2:25 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

I have used it on a couple boxes, the big issues I have with it are that several buttons are not accessible and there is this crazy window that pops up while its running, and closing it crashes the program.

It also tried to by default upload my entier computer to the cloud, when first installed.

I use it on one of the workstations but the interface is while I can access some of it mostly complete junk.

The older drive was also complete junk but at least I could use it.

Dropbox interface is also sadly complete junk but to use dropbox especially if you have setup and shared all you need, for most of what you need which is not much to be honest its not in the way.

Onedrive is probably your friend but I never cared for its web interface, google drive is better for that and dropbox as long as the direct links can be done and if you changes your 1 and 0s right you can do that yourself.




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Which version of Google Drive. I've never found the need for one with the old type google drive. the new back up overkill bungled crashing heap they try to force on you now is not even work running as it crashes all the time. Of course this is my experience only.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. arvind singh brar" <arvindsinghbrar@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 5:47 PM
Subject: [nvda] Requesting some information




Hello fellow nvda enthusiasts,

I recently was uploading media to my google drive, and was wondering,
If there was an nvda addon for google drive, similar to what there for dropbox,

Any help would be greatly appreciated,
Thank you so much,
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Re: Mail Program Suggestions

 

Hmmm ok so thats how that works.

Well then if I see something that cheap on ebay and it looks good I may try to buy it.

I know here in nz its only company licenced units and when my uncle got one of those for windows as part of an x company system when he had to reformat due to a ransomware attack the key just wouldn't activate and he simply got accused of pirating it.

In the end we resolved the situation by just chucking it all away managing to get at expense the data from it, and he brought another system, well 2 of them.

Though who knows if his keys would work I am still not happy about that though.

On 13/10/2017 7:10 a.m., Cristóbal wrote:
Yes. Generally from scrapped/damaged PCs on eBay at least. Has to do with some sort of EU regulation and software licensing protocol. I don't doubt that there are pirated keys out there, but as with anything, do your research. I only buy from highly rated sellers who usually have feedback in the thousands. As far as the other more traditional sites, I'd have to guess that they've got some sort of arrangement with MS or through some other licensing program. Haven't bought one through them so can't really say.
I've got Office 2016 running on my two machines and had no problem either activating them or any issues since. Same goes for my wife's machines and computers of friends or family I've helped out with in a similar manner.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 10:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mail Program Suggestions

But are those keys legal, I have seen these company licences but I am unsure are those legal.

I have seen them on auction and to be honest I don't care if they are fake or not but I do care for if they work, or if I need to renew them when I use all of my activations up, I call ms and they say its pirated and then what I am in the can for 10 bucks.




On 13/10/2017 5:03 a.m., Cristóbal wrote:
You can also buy a full and legitimate Office license on eBay for around $10 give or take. I sometimes come across Office and Windows 10 keys on traditional retail sites for $25 to $35 as well.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 8:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mail Program Suggestions


The link to purchase standalone Outlook 2016 for PC, at $109.99, is
https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=619343





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weightwatchers website and NVDA

Dan Beaver
 

Hi,


I am considering starting to use this site.  Does anyone have any experience with it?  Are there any got yahs I should watch out for before I pay my money?


Thanks.


Dan Beaver


Libra Office versions

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So how does one find out the actual version one is running. Mine is from portable apps and hence will run on any machine but when I go to help and about there seems to be no version info given.
Brian

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