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Re: test

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Hi Rosemary,
 
I tried it.    Do I hit the alt key when the message is open?  Also, is there a way to empty the trash folder like in wlm?  Thanks for all your help.
 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test
 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelToMe

David Griffith
 

The issues about pops and crackles did rear it head with the Code Factory Eloquence but the work around was to go to your sound card control panel applet and disable any enhanced audio features like 3D sound etc.

 

This had the effect for me locally of not just eliminating the crackles but also making the TTS far more responsive.

 

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Blee Blat
Sent: 21 October 2017 22:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelToMe

 

OK, well it's good they're updating the code then. I'll check out the

free trial and see what it does. It's kind of silly that they charge

that much for voices, but if it works, it's probably worth it. The speed

boost and maybe some extra responsiveness might help, I'm not sure. I

got a lot of pops and crackles with the older voices years ago when I

used them, but if they're updating the code that's at least encouraging.

 

 

 

 


Re: test

Gene
 

Why is the question being asked in the first place?  Unless you have NVDA set to speak keys such as control, shift, the arrow keys, etc. you won't hear such commands spoken at any time.  You know from the response of programs what is occurring.  If the reply message opens, NVDA will say something that will tell you that a reply message has opened.  If you hear nothing or somethin incorrect, you have issued the wrong command or the command didn't work properly.  When I issue a command that should result in something being spoken, I don't continue until I hear the start of the speech confirming the command.  If I do, I might start writing a message before the program is ready to receive it or take an action in another program before the program is ready to take the action.  Being excessively dependent on hearing keys announced and basing what you do on hearing keys announced rather than the response of Windows or the program you are working in isn't a good way to work with Windows or programs.  I don't have such keys announced, which is the default, because it wouldn't benefit me in any way to hear them announced.  Even if I did hear them announced, I wouldn't take actions until the program indicated that it was ready to have actions taken.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: safe mode

Mallard <mallard@...>
 

Yes. I miss her so much... She was a great person, and so is Kris, her husband.

We had long chats on Skype...

Such people should live forever.

Il 21/10/2017 19:46, Rosemarie Chavarria ha scritto:
I remember Doris. She was a really great lady and never said anything bad about anyone.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode

I don't know about that, but I miss Doris. She always had a good word to say to everyone, and I never heard any sort of negativity from her that I can recall.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode


A few years ago, someone passed on something called "Audio in Safe Mode". I never used it, but I think I still have it somewhere. Does anyone know what it was?


I think it was our friend Doris who gave it to me, saying it might have come in handy some day.


If someone can remember, and give instructions, I'd be more than happy to share it.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 21/10/2017 17:33, Rosemarie Chavarria ha scritto:
Not that I know of.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Don H
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] safe mode

Is there a way to use NVDA in safe mode?















Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelTo Me

Sarah k Alawami
 

Remember, that some of that cost goes toward NVDA, so that's why. Basically they are donating some of what you pay to nvda's development.

On Oct 21, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Blee Blat <bleeblat@gmail.com> wrote:

OK, well it's good they're updating the code then. I'll check out the free trial and see what it does. It's kind of silly that they charge that much for voices, but if it works, it's probably worth it. The speed boost and maybe some extra responsiveness might help, I'm not sure. I got a lot of pops and crackles with the older voices years ago when I used them, but if they're updating the code that's at least encouraging.




Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelTo Me

Blee Blat <bleeblat@...>
 

OK, well it's good they're updating the code then. I'll check out the free trial and see what it does. It's kind of silly that they charge that much for voices, but if it works, it's probably worth it. The speed boost and maybe some extra responsiveness might help, I'm not sure. I got a lot of pops and crackles with the older voices years ago when I used them, but if they're updating the code that's at least encouraging.


Re: test

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelTo Me

David Griffith
 

I guess it is tangentially relevant that on the FS Cast episode a few months ago they said that they were intending to retain Eloquence as an option in Jaws pretty much indefinitely going forward.

This was  in response to a question about whether it was going to be phased out.

 

I am not sure that it is the case that it is not being developed at all as the Code Factory Eloquence voices Ihave are pretty different from the older Kurzweil voices I have. I actually styill prefer the older Eloquence versions but the newer voices are Sapi 5 as opposed to Sapi 4 and will work in some applications like Speakn On which seems to struggle to pick up the older voices.

The other difference is that with the older Kurzweil derived Eloquence TTS  NVDA does not seem to be able to provide the Audio Ducking function whilst this is respected with the newer Code Factory versions.

 

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

 

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Blee Blat
Sent: 21 October 2017 19:54
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelTo Me

 

Yes, this is true, all the newer synths are very poor. Eloquence is a

bit too human sounding, but you're right I'd put up with it because it

does speak fast. The trouble is that it's old code and I'm not sure it's

going to continue to be supported, plus I'd have to get a license for

Android and Windows I'm guessing, and possibly the Linux versions. I'd

only do that though if it wasn't going to drag down performance of the

devices running old buggy code. Unless I'm misunderstanding something,

the actual code that is eloquence hasn't been modified since 1999 or so,

so you're paying for someone to keep packaging old compatibility

libraries which will eventually stop working.

 

 

 

 

 


Re: safe mode

Kevin Cussick
 

it worked on 7 and on 8.1 I have tried it but I have not done so on windows10.

On 21/10/2017 18:58, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
If its the one I saw it was a registry mod for xp. Since sound does operate differently in 7 and up, I'd be very wary of trying it personally, see my previous post.
I guess if you saved the registry and then tried it out and if it screwed up you could always reload the old version but I think one might need sighted help to test this, as if it trashed the system a bit of fiddling might be needed to regain a working system given that the mode windows starts in is selected before speech.
It has always  confused me why there could not be some agreed default mode for sound hard ware for this sort of thing so a part of the bios could simply access the hardware and speak.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode

A few years ago, someone passed on something called "Audio in Safe Mode". I never used it, but I think I still have it somewhere. Does anyone know what it was?


I think it was our friend Doris who gave it to me, saying it might have come in handy some day.


If someone can remember, and give instructions, I'd be more than happy to share it.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 21/10/2017 17:33, Rosemarie Chavarria ha scritto:
Not that I know of.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] safe mode

Is there a way to use NVDA in safe mode?









Re: safe mode

Kevin Cussick
 

sound in safe mode was a registry hack you need to have real tech sound card for this to work.

On 21/10/2017 18:31, Kwork wrote:
I don't know about that, but I miss Doris. She always had a good word to say
to everyone, and I never heard any sort of negativity from her that I can
recall.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode
A few years ago, someone passed on something called "Audio in Safe
Mode". I never used it, but I think I still have it somewhere. Does
anyone know what it was?
I think it was our friend Doris who gave it to me, saying it might have
come in handy some day.
If someone can remember, and give instructions, I'd be more than happy
to share it.
Ciao,
Ollie
Il 21/10/2017 17:33, Rosemarie Chavarria ha scritto:
Not that I know of.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] safe mode

Is there a way to use NVDA in safe mode?








Re: test

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Thanks Rosemary.
I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,
 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test
 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader Feel To Me

Gene
 

We'll see what happens.  If this is done, I suspect we'll hear a lot of complaints because a lot of people still use Eloquence either as a part of JAWS or as a purchased product with NVDA.  It must not have happened yet. 
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
From: Blee Blat
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader Feel To Me

What would make it stop working would be the removing of old
compatibility code from C libraries, or removing 32-bit libraries. Both
of those are likely to happen in the near future. They may have updated
the code, I'm not sure, because their website doesn't say.






Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader Feel To Me

Blee Blat <bleeblat@...>
 

What would make it stop working would be the removing of old compatibility code from C libraries, or removing 32-bit libraries. Both of those are likely to happen in the near future. They may have updated the code, I'm not sure, because their website doesn't say.


Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader Feel To Me

Gene
 

I don't know if or when it may stop working.  It still works in Windows 10.  I don't know what changes in Windows might cause it to stop working in the future, but I wouldn't be very convinced that it will stop working.  It may not be worth whatever you would have to pay, but if its worked this long in as many versions of Windows as it has, I expect it will keep on working.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Blee Blat
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader Feel To Me

Yes, this is true, all the newer synths are very poor. Eloquence is a
bit too human sounding, but you're right I'd put up with it because it
does speak fast. The trouble is that it's old code and I'm not sure it's
going to continue to be supported, plus I'd have to get a license for
Android and Windows I'm guessing, and possibly the Linux versions. I'd
only do that though if it wasn't going to drag down performance of the
devices running old buggy code. Unless I'm misunderstanding something,
the actual code that is eloquence hasn't been modified since 1999 or so,
so you're paying for someone to keep packaging old compatibility
libraries which will eventually stop working.





Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader Feel To Me

Blee Blat <bleeblat@...>
 

Yes, this is true, all the newer synths are very poor. Eloquence is a bit too human sounding, but you're right I'd put up with it because it does speak fast. The trouble is that it's old code and I'm not sure it's going to continue to be supported, plus I'd have to get a license for Android and Windows I'm guessing, and possibly the Linux versions. I'd only do that though if it wasn't going to drag down performance of the devices running old buggy code. Unless I'm misunderstanding something, the actual code that is eloquence hasn't been modified since 1999 or so, so you're paying for someone to keep packaging old compatibility libraries which will eventually stop working.


Re: Hello list,

Blee Blat <bleeblat@...>
 

It does, except the integrated Windows 10 Skype is a pain to use because I still haven't figured out how to answer incoming calls with the thing, and it seems to be missing keyboard shortcuts. According to a Microsoft FAQ though, I can see if I can find the link, it looks like eventually they'll discontinue the classic Skype so we should report these things. Here it is:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA34643/skype-for-windows-insiders-your-most-asked-questions


Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader Feel To Me

Gene
 

Eloquence is not one of the too human sounding voices and it speaks very quickly.  I think it can speak as fast as 700 words per minute or faster.  I consider its clarity of speech to be superior to most synthesizers.  It may be that some of the newer ones, available in the last number of years, do very well at fast speeds as well.  But most synthesizers of the newer variety, that use bits of real human voices are quite poor and even more so at fast speeds. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Blee Blat
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader Feel To Me

And then there is me. I don't like any of the available voices, because
they're all too human sounding and speak too slowly. I liked the
DoubleTalk voices, or maybe the Accent or Artic voices, but none of
those are supported any longer. I put up with synthesized speech because
braille support is never well-tested on most platforms, and the braille
displays I end up buying always end up being discontinued and it seems
you can't get a simple braille terminal any more. You have to have one
of these crappy note taker things, but my phone has better specs than
these devices. So screen reading technology is currently sucking. And if
it was unclear by "simple braille terminal" I mean just a display that
sits under a laptop or keyboard that just outputs braille from the
computer. I type too fast for the regular cheap plastic keyboards to
keep up so braille input would lag too much to be useful. I just want a
simple dumb braille display that outputs braille and does nothing else.
If anyone else has any suggestions, I'd love to hear, and yes if I get
working braille again I'll test all the screen readers I can and fix
them if they work badly if I'm allowed to do that.








Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader Feel To Me

Blee Blat <bleeblat@...>
 

And then there is me. I don't like any of the available voices, because they're all too human sounding and speak too slowly. I liked the DoubleTalk voices, or maybe the Accent or Artic voices, but none of those are supported any longer. I put up with synthesized speech because braille support is never well-tested on most platforms, and the braille displays I end up buying always end up being discontinued and it seems you can't get a simple braille terminal any more. You have to have one of these crappy note taker things, but my phone has better specs than these devices. So screen reading technology is currently sucking. And if it was unclear by "simple braille terminal" I mean just a display that sits under a laptop or keyboard that just outputs braille from the computer. I type too fast for the regular cheap plastic keyboards to keep up so braille input would lag too much to be useful. I just want a simple dumb braille display that outputs braille and does nothing else. If anyone else has any suggestions, I'd love to hear, and yes if I get working braille again I'll test all the screen readers I can and fix them if they work badly if I'm allowed to do that.


Re: test

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I have not tried this, but does this email client have any way to segregate other accounts like Outlook Express has, ie identities or are we back to that pesky tree view Live mail gave us again.
Also do they support Usenet groups or not in this latest invocation of free email?

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Metzler " <gmtravel@bellsouth.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:20 PM
Subject: [nvda] test


Hi All,

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

Regards, Gary kn4ox


Re: safe mode

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

If its the one I saw it was a registry mod for xp. Since sound does operate differently in 7 and up, I'd be very wary of trying it personally, see my previous post.

I guess if you saved the registry and then tried it out and if it screwed up you could always reload the old version but I think one might need sighted help to test this, as if it trashed the system a bit of fiddling might be needed to regain a working system given that the mode windows starts in is selected before speech.
It has always confused me why there could not be some agreed default mode for sound hard ware for this sort of thing so a part of the bios could simply access the hardware and speak.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode


A few years ago, someone passed on something called "Audio in Safe Mode". I never used it, but I think I still have it somewhere. Does anyone know what it was?


I think it was our friend Doris who gave it to me, saying it might have come in handy some day.


If someone can remember, and give instructions, I'd be more than happy to share it.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 21/10/2017 17:33, Rosemarie Chavarria ha scritto:
Not that I know of.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] safe mode

Is there a way to use NVDA in safe mode?