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Re: test

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,

 

With all due respect, the person asking the question is asking about the mail app which works a bit differently than other programs. He wasn't asking about windows live mail or other programs.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Why is the question being asked in the first place?  Unless you have NVDA set to speak keys such as control, shift, the arrow keys, etc. you won't hear such commands spoken at any time.  You know from the response of programs what is occurring.  If the reply message opens, NVDA will say something that will tell you that a reply message has opened.  If you hear nothing or somethin incorrect, you have issued the wrong command or the command didn't work properly.  When I issue a command that should result in something being spoken, I don't continue until I hear the start of the speech confirming the command.  If I do, I might start writing a message before the program is ready to receive it or take an action in another program before the program is ready to take the action.  Being excessively dependent on hearing keys announced and basing what you do on hearing keys announced rather than the response of Windows or the program you are working in isn't a good way to work with Windows or programs.  I don't have such keys announced, which is the default, because it wouldn't benefit me in any way to hear them announced.  Even if I did hear them announced, I wouldn't take actions until the program indicated that it was ready to have actions taken.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: test

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Yes, you hit the alt key when the message is open.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi Rosemary,

 

I tried it.    Do I hit the alt key when the message is open?  Also, is there a way to empty the trash folder like in wlm?  Thanks for all your help.

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelToMe

Blee Blat <bleeblat@...>
 

Yes, I've done that I think. Windows 10 doesn't have a disable all enhancements checkbox for playback, so I'm not sure if I've disabled them fully or not, I've disabled the realtek services from running at startup, but I'm not sure if that has other issues. I'll probably have to get another sound card for this laptop anyway, because it seems that they're doing really silly things like having all these DTS codecs and junk built into drivers now. Sound enhancements are an abomination, they just destroy your music  and so everyone should turn them off. I don't know what the purpose of a system wide equalizer is. The only people that might possibly need these are people with specific hearing loss possibly, but I would let those people speak for themselves. It shouldn't be enabled by default, for sure.


Re: test

Gene
 

If this point is unclear, I'm not saying a program will say something like reply message ready.  But it will indicate in some reliable way that it is ready.  When I issue the reply command using Windows Live Mail, I hear the subject line start to be announced when the reply window has opened and the program is ready for me to start typing a message.  Since subject lines in replies say re: at the start of the line, if I hear re, I know I can start typing a message.  I don't jump the instant I hear re and start typing necessarily.  I don't want to make writing messages a nerve-wracking experience where I tensely wait for a word and then respond as quickly as is humaly possible.  I start hearing the subject line, then I start to write when I'm comfortable doing so in terms of the speed of my response.  I may hear one or two words of the subject line read.  I may not type at all for a bit because I'm thinking of what I'll say and how I'll say it.  Just as when I send a message, I don't hear the command alt s spoken nor would it benefit me to hear it.  I wait until I hear the message information start to be read which tells me that I am back either in the message window that I am replying to or that tells me that I am back in the message list, depending on where I was when I replied to or started a new message.  it's the response that matters, not whether you hear a command announced.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: test

David Griffith
 

In Windows Mail like in Outlook pressing control Y will put you in a tree view of folders, including deleted folder.

You can select all and press delete   in that folder as usual.

 

David griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Gary Metzler
Sent: 21 October 2017 22:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi Rosemary,

 

I tried it.    Do I hit the alt key when the message is open?  Also, is there a way to empty the trash folder like in wlm?  Thanks for all your help.

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:07 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 

 


Re: safe mode

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I miss her too. She was on another list I used to belong to called nvda info as well as the blind catholics list.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode

Yes. I miss her so much... She was a great person, and so is Kris, her husband.

We had long chats on Skype...

Such people should live forever.






Il 21/10/2017 19:46, Rosemarie Chavarria ha scritto:
I remember Doris. She was a really great lady and never said anything bad about anyone.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Kwork
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode

I don't know about that, but I miss Doris. She always had a good word to say to everyone, and I never heard any sort of negativity from her that I can recall.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode


A few years ago, someone passed on something called "Audio in Safe Mode". I never used it, but I think I still have it somewhere. Does anyone know what it was?


I think it was our friend Doris who gave it to me, saying it might have come in handy some day.


If someone can remember, and give instructions, I'd be more than happy to share it.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 21/10/2017 17:33, Rosemarie Chavarria ha scritto:
Not that I know of.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Don H
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] safe mode

Is there a way to use NVDA in safe mode?
















Re: test

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Hi Rosemary,
 
I tried it.    Do I hit the alt key when the message is open?  Also, is there a way to empty the trash folder like in wlm?  Thanks for all your help.
 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test
 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelToMe

David Griffith
 

The issues about pops and crackles did rear it head with the Code Factory Eloquence but the work around was to go to your sound card control panel applet and disable any enhanced audio features like 3D sound etc.

 

This had the effect for me locally of not just eliminating the crackles but also making the TTS far more responsive.

 

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Blee Blat
Sent: 21 October 2017 22:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelToMe

 

OK, well it's good they're updating the code then. I'll check out the

free trial and see what it does. It's kind of silly that they charge

that much for voices, but if it works, it's probably worth it. The speed

boost and maybe some extra responsiveness might help, I'm not sure. I

got a lot of pops and crackles with the older voices years ago when I

used them, but if they're updating the code that's at least encouraging.

 

 

 

 


Re: test

Gene
 

Why is the question being asked in the first place?  Unless you have NVDA set to speak keys such as control, shift, the arrow keys, etc. you won't hear such commands spoken at any time.  You know from the response of programs what is occurring.  If the reply message opens, NVDA will say something that will tell you that a reply message has opened.  If you hear nothing or somethin incorrect, you have issued the wrong command or the command didn't work properly.  When I issue a command that should result in something being spoken, I don't continue until I hear the start of the speech confirming the command.  If I do, I might start writing a message before the program is ready to receive it or take an action in another program before the program is ready to take the action.  Being excessively dependent on hearing keys announced and basing what you do on hearing keys announced rather than the response of Windows or the program you are working in isn't a good way to work with Windows or programs.  I don't have such keys announced, which is the default, because it wouldn't benefit me in any way to hear them announced.  Even if I did hear them announced, I wouldn't take actions until the program indicated that it was ready to have actions taken.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: safe mode

Mallard <mallard@...>
 

Yes. I miss her so much... She was a great person, and so is Kris, her husband.

We had long chats on Skype...

Such people should live forever.

Il 21/10/2017 19:46, Rosemarie Chavarria ha scritto:
I remember Doris. She was a really great lady and never said anything bad about anyone.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode

I don't know about that, but I miss Doris. She always had a good word to say to everyone, and I never heard any sort of negativity from her that I can recall.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode


A few years ago, someone passed on something called "Audio in Safe Mode". I never used it, but I think I still have it somewhere. Does anyone know what it was?


I think it was our friend Doris who gave it to me, saying it might have come in handy some day.


If someone can remember, and give instructions, I'd be more than happy to share it.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 21/10/2017 17:33, Rosemarie Chavarria ha scritto:
Not that I know of.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Don H
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] safe mode

Is there a way to use NVDA in safe mode?















Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelTo Me

Sarah k Alawami
 

Remember, that some of that cost goes toward NVDA, so that's why. Basically they are donating some of what you pay to nvda's development.

On Oct 21, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Blee Blat <bleeblat@gmail.com> wrote:

OK, well it's good they're updating the code then. I'll check out the free trial and see what it does. It's kind of silly that they charge that much for voices, but if it works, it's probably worth it. The speed boost and maybe some extra responsiveness might help, I'm not sure. I got a lot of pops and crackles with the older voices years ago when I used them, but if they're updating the code that's at least encouraging.




Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelTo Me

Blee Blat <bleeblat@...>
 

OK, well it's good they're updating the code then. I'll check out the free trial and see what it does. It's kind of silly that they charge that much for voices, but if it works, it's probably worth it. The speed boost and maybe some extra responsiveness might help, I'm not sure. I got a lot of pops and crackles with the older voices years ago when I used them, but if they're updating the code that's at least encouraging.


Re: test

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelTo Me

David Griffith
 

I guess it is tangentially relevant that on the FS Cast episode a few months ago they said that they were intending to retain Eloquence as an option in Jaws pretty much indefinitely going forward.

This was  in response to a question about whether it was going to be phased out.

 

I am not sure that it is the case that it is not being developed at all as the Code Factory Eloquence voices Ihave are pretty different from the older Kurzweil voices I have. I actually styill prefer the older Eloquence versions but the newer voices are Sapi 5 as opposed to Sapi 4 and will work in some applications like Speakn On which seems to struggle to pick up the older voices.

The other difference is that with the older Kurzweil derived Eloquence TTS  NVDA does not seem to be able to provide the Audio Ducking function whilst this is respected with the newer Code Factory versions.

 

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

 

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Blee Blat
Sent: 21 October 2017 19:54
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelTo Me

 

Yes, this is true, all the newer synths are very poor. Eloquence is a

bit too human sounding, but you're right I'd put up with it because it

does speak fast. The trouble is that it's old code and I'm not sure it's

going to continue to be supported, plus I'd have to get a license for

Android and Windows I'm guessing, and possibly the Linux versions. I'd

only do that though if it wasn't going to drag down performance of the

devices running old buggy code. Unless I'm misunderstanding something,

the actual code that is eloquence hasn't been modified since 1999 or so,

so you're paying for someone to keep packaging old compatibility

libraries which will eventually stop working.

 

 

 

 

 


Re: safe mode

Kevin Cussick
 

it worked on 7 and on 8.1 I have tried it but I have not done so on windows10.

On 21/10/2017 18:58, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
If its the one I saw it was a registry mod for xp. Since sound does operate differently in 7 and up, I'd be very wary of trying it personally, see my previous post.
I guess if you saved the registry and then tried it out and if it screwed up you could always reload the old version but I think one might need sighted help to test this, as if it trashed the system a bit of fiddling might be needed to regain a working system given that the mode windows starts in is selected before speech.
It has always  confused me why there could not be some agreed default mode for sound hard ware for this sort of thing so a part of the bios could simply access the hardware and speak.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode

A few years ago, someone passed on something called "Audio in Safe Mode". I never used it, but I think I still have it somewhere. Does anyone know what it was?


I think it was our friend Doris who gave it to me, saying it might have come in handy some day.


If someone can remember, and give instructions, I'd be more than happy to share it.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 21/10/2017 17:33, Rosemarie Chavarria ha scritto:
Not that I know of.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] safe mode

Is there a way to use NVDA in safe mode?









Re: safe mode

Kevin Cussick
 

sound in safe mode was a registry hack you need to have real tech sound card for this to work.

On 21/10/2017 18:31, Kwork wrote:
I don't know about that, but I miss Doris. She always had a good word to say
to everyone, and I never heard any sort of negativity from her that I can
recall.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode
A few years ago, someone passed on something called "Audio in Safe
Mode". I never used it, but I think I still have it somewhere. Does
anyone know what it was?
I think it was our friend Doris who gave it to me, saying it might have
come in handy some day.
If someone can remember, and give instructions, I'd be more than happy
to share it.
Ciao,
Ollie
Il 21/10/2017 17:33, Rosemarie Chavarria ha scritto:
Not that I know of.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] safe mode

Is there a way to use NVDA in safe mode?








Re: test

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Thanks Rosemary.
I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,
 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test
 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader Feel To Me

Gene
 

We'll see what happens.  If this is done, I suspect we'll hear a lot of complaints because a lot of people still use Eloquence either as a part of JAWS or as a purchased product with NVDA.  It must not have happened yet. 
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
From: Blee Blat
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader Feel To Me

What would make it stop working would be the removing of old
compatibility code from C libraries, or removing 32-bit libraries. Both
of those are likely to happen in the near future. They may have updated
the code, I'm not sure, because their website doesn't say.






Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader Feel To Me

Blee Blat <bleeblat@...>
 

What would make it stop working would be the removing of old compatibility code from C libraries, or removing 32-bit libraries. Both of those are likely to happen in the near future. They may have updated the code, I'm not sure, because their website doesn't say.


Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader Feel To Me

Gene
 

I don't know if or when it may stop working.  It still works in Windows 10.  I don't know what changes in Windows might cause it to stop working in the future, but I wouldn't be very convinced that it will stop working.  It may not be worth whatever you would have to pay, but if its worked this long in as many versions of Windows as it has, I expect it will keep on working.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Blee Blat
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader Feel To Me

Yes, this is true, all the newer synths are very poor. Eloquence is a
bit too human sounding, but you're right I'd put up with it because it
does speak fast. The trouble is that it's old code and I'm not sure it's
going to continue to be supported, plus I'd have to get a license for
Android and Windows I'm guessing, and possibly the Linux versions. I'd
only do that though if it wasn't going to drag down performance of the
devices running old buggy code. Unless I'm misunderstanding something,
the actual code that is eloquence hasn't been modified since 1999 or so,
so you're paying for someone to keep packaging old compatibility
libraries which will eventually stop working.