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Re: test

Gene
 

Yes, and if that is what the person was asking about, that is good information.  If I were using the app, I'd use control r, then press alt twice, at least that's what I think I would do, not having used the program. 
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi, Gene,

 

In the mail app, if you try typing something after hitting control R, you get a message that says something like "no document". You either have to shift tab to the subject line and tab back to the edit field for replying or hit the alt key and enter to hear the subject line.

 

I hope this clarifies things a little better for you.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I know but what he said is that when he uses the command control r to reply, he doesn't hear the command spoken.  I'm saying that it doesn't matter if you hear the command control r spoken.  If he is discussing something else, what is it?  I don't use the mail app but until I hear further, I will assume that control r is the reply short cut command because that command is so standard in Windows e-mail programs.  Is there some other problem such as that when using the command, you don't hear something like the re subject line spoken to tell you that the command has been executed?

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:17 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gene,

 

With all due respect, the person asking the question is asking about the mail app which works a bit differently than other programs. He wasn't asking about windows live mail or other programs.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Why is the question being asked in the first place?  Unless you have NVDA set to speak keys such as control, shift, the arrow keys, etc. you won't hear such commands spoken at any time.  You know from the response of programs what is occurring.  If the reply message opens, NVDA will say something that will tell you that a reply message has opened.  If you hear nothing or somethin incorrect, you have issued the wrong command or the command didn't work properly.  When I issue a command that should result in something being spoken, I don't continue until I hear the start of the speech confirming the command.  If I do, I might start writing a message before the program is ready to receive it or take an action in another program before the program is ready to take the action.  Being excessively dependent on hearing keys announced and basing what you do on hearing keys announced rather than the response of Windows or the program you are working in isn't a good way to work with Windows or programs.  I don't have such keys announced, which is the default, because it wouldn't benefit me in any way to hear them announced.  Even if I did hear them announced, I wouldn't take actions until the program indicated that it was ready to have actions taken.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelToMe

Gene
 

No, I used the wrong term.  I should have said SAPI 5.  I was confusing SAPI 5 with HTML5 because they are both associated with audio.
 
Gene
----- original Message-----

From: John Isige
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelToMe

There's a version of Eloquence written in HTML?



Re: test

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,

 

In the mail app, if you try typing something after hitting control R, you get a message that says something like "no document". You either have to shift tab to the subject line and tab back to the edit field for replying or hit the alt key and enter to hear the subject line.

 

I hope this clarifies things a little better for you.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I know but what he said is that when he uses the command control r to reply, he doesn't hear the command spoken.  I'm saying that it doesn't matter if you hear the command control r spoken.  If he is discussing something else, what is it?  I don't use the mail app but until I hear further, I will assume that control r is the reply short cut command because that command is so standard in Windows e-mail programs.  Is there some other problem such as that when using the command, you don't hear something like the re subject line spoken to tell you that the command has been executed?

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:17 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gene,

 

With all due respect, the person asking the question is asking about the mail app which works a bit differently than other programs. He wasn't asking about windows live mail or other programs.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Why is the question being asked in the first place?  Unless you have NVDA set to speak keys such as control, shift, the arrow keys, etc. you won't hear such commands spoken at any time.  You know from the response of programs what is occurring.  If the reply message opens, NVDA will say something that will tell you that a reply message has opened.  If you hear nothing or somethin incorrect, you have issued the wrong command or the command didn't work properly.  When I issue a command that should result in something being spoken, I don't continue until I hear the start of the speech confirming the command.  If I do, I might start writing a message before the program is ready to receive it or take an action in another program before the program is ready to take the action.  Being excessively dependent on hearing keys announced and basing what you do on hearing keys announced rather than the response of Windows or the program you are working in isn't a good way to work with Windows or programs.  I don't have such keys announced, which is the default, because it wouldn't benefit me in any way to hear them announced.  Even if I did hear them announced, I wouldn't take actions until the program indicated that it was ready to have actions taken.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelToMe

John Isige
 

There's a version of Eloquence written in HTML?


Re: test

Gene
 

I know but what he said is that when he uses the command control r to reply, he doesn't hear the command spoken.  I'm saying that it doesn't matter if you hear the command control r spoken.  If he is discussing something else, what is it?  I don't use the mail app but until I hear further, I will assume that control r is the reply short cut command because that command is so standard in Windows e-mail programs.  Is there some other problem such as that when using the command, you don't hear something like the re subject line spoken to tell you that the command has been executed?
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi, Gene,

 

With all due respect, the person asking the question is asking about the mail app which works a bit differently than other programs. He wasn't asking about windows live mail or other programs.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Why is the question being asked in the first place?  Unless you have NVDA set to speak keys such as control, shift, the arrow keys, etc. you won't hear such commands spoken at any time.  You know from the response of programs what is occurring.  If the reply message opens, NVDA will say something that will tell you that a reply message has opened.  If you hear nothing or somethin incorrect, you have issued the wrong command or the command didn't work properly.  When I issue a command that should result in something being spoken, I don't continue until I hear the start of the speech confirming the command.  If I do, I might start writing a message before the program is ready to receive it or take an action in another program before the program is ready to take the action.  Being excessively dependent on hearing keys announced and basing what you do on hearing keys announced rather than the response of Windows or the program you are working in isn't a good way to work with Windows or programs.  I don't have such keys announced, which is the default, because it wouldn't benefit me in any way to hear them announced.  Even if I did hear them announced, I wouldn't take actions until the program indicated that it was ready to have actions taken.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Tested working audio with win10 safe mode.

Hareth <hareth4m@...>
 

Greetings,
I've tested the attached reg file it worked with my Lenovo laptop,
tested with both internal and USB SB sound cards.
It should work with any sound card.
Note, at least for first try have some sighted help nearby just in case.
file reg Source windows10 forums.

Enjoy


Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelToMe

Gene
 

If you use the code factory add on that provides both Eloquence for NVDA and another synthesizer, I don't remember what it is but, despite its popularity, I consider it a very poor synthesizer, Eloquence has a lot of artifacts when I tested the add on and I am not using any enhancements in audio.  I tested it on XP but I saw many complaints about artifacts from others using other versions of Windows.  I don't recall if turning off enhancements solved the problem for anyone using the add on.  Trying the demo would be in order if you want to use the add on. 
 
The HTML5 version didn't produce any artifacts when I tested it.  I'm not sure what is being discussed now, the addon or the HTML5 version.  If artifacts are heard in the HTML5 version, enhancements may be the problem.  I would say to try the demo or both demos if desired to see how they both work on the machine under whatever conditions you want to test.
 
I don't know which, the HTML5 or the addon, is more responsive nor do I know the price for either.  Whatever the price that was cited for Eloquence during this thread, was that definitely for the HTML5 version or was it for the addon which gives you two synthesizers. 
 
Gene----- Original Message -----

From: Blee Blat
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelToMe

Yes, I've done that I think. Windows 10 doesn't have a disable all
enhancements checkbox for playback, so I'm not sure if I've disabled
them fully or not, I've disabled the realtek services from running at
startup, but I'm not sure if that has other issues. I'll probably have
to get another sound card for this laptop anyway, because it seems that
they're doing really silly things like having all these DTS codecs and
junk built into drivers now. Sound enhancements are an abomination, they
just destroy your music  and so everyone should turn them off. I don't
know what the purpose of a system wide equalizer is. The only people
that might possibly need these are people with specific hearing loss
possibly, but I would let those people speak for themselves. It
shouldn't be enabled by default, for sure.




Re: Win 10 mail app, was test

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Ugh. As I've said here before, not a fan of this way of working as it gets very complicated if you have multiple accounts. I much prefer each account in an identity or ring fenced area myself. I'll never understand why they at least did not retain the ability to make this an option.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] test


In Windows Mail like in Outlook pressing control Y will put you in a tree view of folders, including deleted folder.
You can select all and press delete in that folder as usual.

David griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

From: Gary Metzler
Sent: 21 October 2017 22:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi Rosemary,

I tried it. Do I hit the alt key when the message is open? Also, is there a way to empty the trash folder like in wlm? Thanks for all your help.

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi, Gary,

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

Hope this helps.

Rosemarie

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Thanks Rosemary.
I have a question. When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken. Is this normal behavior? Thanks,

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

I got it.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

Hi All,

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

Regards, Gary kn4ox


Re: safe mode

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I think there was one made for those cheapo usb headphones as well.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io" <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode


sound in safe mode was a registry hack you need to have real tech sound card for this to work.

On 21/10/2017 18:31, Kwork wrote:
I don't know about that, but I miss Doris. She always had a good word to say
to everyone, and I never heard any sort of negativity from her that I can
recall.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode


A few years ago, someone passed on something called "Audio in Safe
Mode". I never used it, but I think I still have it somewhere. Does
anyone know what it was?


I think it was our friend Doris who gave it to me, saying it might have
come in handy some day.


If someone can remember, and give instructions, I'd be more than happy
to share it.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 21/10/2017 17:33, Rosemarie Chavarria ha scritto:
Not that I know of.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] safe mode

Is there a way to use NVDA in safe mode?













Re: test

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,

 

With all due respect, the person asking the question is asking about the mail app which works a bit differently than other programs. He wasn't asking about windows live mail or other programs.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Why is the question being asked in the first place?  Unless you have NVDA set to speak keys such as control, shift, the arrow keys, etc. you won't hear such commands spoken at any time.  You know from the response of programs what is occurring.  If the reply message opens, NVDA will say something that will tell you that a reply message has opened.  If you hear nothing or somethin incorrect, you have issued the wrong command or the command didn't work properly.  When I issue a command that should result in something being spoken, I don't continue until I hear the start of the speech confirming the command.  If I do, I might start writing a message before the program is ready to receive it or take an action in another program before the program is ready to take the action.  Being excessively dependent on hearing keys announced and basing what you do on hearing keys announced rather than the response of Windows or the program you are working in isn't a good way to work with Windows or programs.  I don't have such keys announced, which is the default, because it wouldn't benefit me in any way to hear them announced.  Even if I did hear them announced, I wouldn't take actions until the program indicated that it was ready to have actions taken.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: test

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Yes, you hit the alt key when the message is open.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi Rosemary,

 

I tried it.    Do I hit the alt key when the message is open?  Also, is there a way to empty the trash folder like in wlm?  Thanks for all your help.

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelToMe

Blee Blat <bleeblat@...>
 

Yes, I've done that I think. Windows 10 doesn't have a disable all enhancements checkbox for playback, so I'm not sure if I've disabled them fully or not, I've disabled the realtek services from running at startup, but I'm not sure if that has other issues. I'll probably have to get another sound card for this laptop anyway, because it seems that they're doing really silly things like having all these DTS codecs and junk built into drivers now. Sound enhancements are an abomination, they just destroy your music  and so everyone should turn them off. I don't know what the purpose of a system wide equalizer is. The only people that might possibly need these are people with specific hearing loss possibly, but I would let those people speak for themselves. It shouldn't be enabled by default, for sure.


Re: test

Gene
 

If this point is unclear, I'm not saying a program will say something like reply message ready.  But it will indicate in some reliable way that it is ready.  When I issue the reply command using Windows Live Mail, I hear the subject line start to be announced when the reply window has opened and the program is ready for me to start typing a message.  Since subject lines in replies say re: at the start of the line, if I hear re, I know I can start typing a message.  I don't jump the instant I hear re and start typing necessarily.  I don't want to make writing messages a nerve-wracking experience where I tensely wait for a word and then respond as quickly as is humaly possible.  I start hearing the subject line, then I start to write when I'm comfortable doing so in terms of the speed of my response.  I may hear one or two words of the subject line read.  I may not type at all for a bit because I'm thinking of what I'll say and how I'll say it.  Just as when I send a message, I don't hear the command alt s spoken nor would it benefit me to hear it.  I wait until I hear the message information start to be read which tells me that I am back either in the message window that I am replying to or that tells me that I am back in the message list, depending on where I was when I replied to or started a new message.  it's the response that matters, not whether you hear a command announced.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: test

David Griffith
 

In Windows Mail like in Outlook pressing control Y will put you in a tree view of folders, including deleted folder.

You can select all and press delete   in that folder as usual.

 

David griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Gary Metzler
Sent: 21 October 2017 22:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi Rosemary,

 

I tried it.    Do I hit the alt key when the message is open?  Also, is there a way to empty the trash folder like in wlm?  Thanks for all your help.

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:07 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 

 


Re: safe mode

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I miss her too. She was on another list I used to belong to called nvda info as well as the blind catholics list.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode

Yes. I miss her so much... She was a great person, and so is Kris, her husband.

We had long chats on Skype...

Such people should live forever.






Il 21/10/2017 19:46, Rosemarie Chavarria ha scritto:
I remember Doris. She was a really great lady and never said anything bad about anyone.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Kwork
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode

I don't know about that, but I miss Doris. She always had a good word to say to everyone, and I never heard any sort of negativity from her that I can recall.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode


A few years ago, someone passed on something called "Audio in Safe Mode". I never used it, but I think I still have it somewhere. Does anyone know what it was?


I think it was our friend Doris who gave it to me, saying it might have come in handy some day.


If someone can remember, and give instructions, I'd be more than happy to share it.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 21/10/2017 17:33, Rosemarie Chavarria ha scritto:
Not that I know of.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Don H
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] safe mode

Is there a way to use NVDA in safe mode?
















Re: test

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Hi Rosemary,
 
I tried it.    Do I hit the alt key when the message is open?  Also, is there a way to empty the trash folder like in wlm?  Thanks for all your help.
 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test
 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelToMe

David Griffith
 

The issues about pops and crackles did rear it head with the Code Factory Eloquence but the work around was to go to your sound card control panel applet and disable any enhanced audio features like 3D sound etc.

 

This had the effect for me locally of not just eliminating the crackles but also making the TTS far more responsive.

 

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Blee Blat
Sent: 21 October 2017 22:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelToMe

 

OK, well it's good they're updating the code then. I'll check out the

free trial and see what it does. It's kind of silly that they charge

that much for voices, but if it works, it's probably worth it. The speed

boost and maybe some extra responsiveness might help, I'm not sure. I

got a lot of pops and crackles with the older voices years ago when I

used them, but if they're updating the code that's at least encouraging.

 

 

 

 


Re: test

Gene
 

Why is the question being asked in the first place?  Unless you have NVDA set to speak keys such as control, shift, the arrow keys, etc. you won't hear such commands spoken at any time.  You know from the response of programs what is occurring.  If the reply message opens, NVDA will say something that will tell you that a reply message has opened.  If you hear nothing or somethin incorrect, you have issued the wrong command or the command didn't work properly.  When I issue a command that should result in something being spoken, I don't continue until I hear the start of the speech confirming the command.  If I do, I might start writing a message before the program is ready to receive it or take an action in another program before the program is ready to take the action.  Being excessively dependent on hearing keys announced and basing what you do on hearing keys announced rather than the response of Windows or the program you are working in isn't a good way to work with Windows or programs.  I don't have such keys announced, which is the default, because it wouldn't benefit me in any way to hear them announced.  Even if I did hear them announced, I wouldn't take actions until the program indicated that it was ready to have actions taken.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: safe mode

Mallard
 

Yes. I miss her so much... She was a great person, and so is Kris, her husband.

We had long chats on Skype...

Such people should live forever.

Il 21/10/2017 19:46, Rosemarie Chavarria ha scritto:
I remember Doris. She was a really great lady and never said anything bad about anyone.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode

I don't know about that, but I miss Doris. She always had a good word to say to everyone, and I never heard any sort of negativity from her that I can recall.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode


A few years ago, someone passed on something called "Audio in Safe Mode". I never used it, but I think I still have it somewhere. Does anyone know what it was?


I think it was our friend Doris who gave it to me, saying it might have come in handy some day.


If someone can remember, and give instructions, I'd be more than happy to share it.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 21/10/2017 17:33, Rosemarie Chavarria ha scritto:
Not that I know of.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Don H
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] safe mode

Is there a way to use NVDA in safe mode?















Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelTo Me

Sarah k Alawami
 

Remember, that some of that cost goes toward NVDA, so that's why. Basically they are donating some of what you pay to nvda's development.

On Oct 21, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Blee Blat <bleeblat@gmail.com> wrote:

OK, well it's good they're updating the code then. I'll check out the free trial and see what it does. It's kind of silly that they charge that much for voices, but if it works, it's probably worth it. The speed boost and maybe some extra responsiveness might help, I'm not sure. I got a lot of pops and crackles with the older voices years ago when I used them, but if they're updating the code that's at least encouraging.