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Re: Tested working audio with win10 safe mode.

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

HI, I couldnt find an attached file. Do you have a link to it?

On 10/21/2017 3:43 PM, Hareth wrote:
Greetings,
I've tested the attached reg file it worked with my Lenovo laptop,
tested with both internal and USB SB sound cards.
It should work with any sound card.
Note, at least for first try have some sighted help nearby just in case.
file reg Source windows10 forums.

Enjoy

--
Sincerely: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
Grants Pass, Or.


Re: test

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Hi Gene,
 
I guess we take things for granted.  I just hit ctrl r to reply to this message and I didn’t hear it spoken. 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test
 
Why is the question being asked in the first place?  Unless you have NVDA set to speak keys such as control, shift, the arrow keys, etc. you won't hear such commands spoken at any time.  You know from the response of programs what is occurring.  If the reply message opens, NVDA will say something that will tell you that a reply message has opened.  If you hear nothing or somethin incorrect, you have issued the wrong command or the command didn't work properly.  When I issue a command that should result in something being spoken, I don't continue until I hear the start of the speech confirming the command.  If I do, I might start writing a message before the program is ready to receive it or take an action in another program before the program is ready to take the action.  Being excessively dependent on hearing keys announced and basing what you do on hearing keys announced rather than the response of Windows or the program you are working in isn't a good way to work with Windows or programs.  I don't have such keys announced, which is the default, because it wouldn't benefit me in any way to hear them announced.  Even if I did hear them announced, I wouldn't take actions until the program indicated that it was ready to have actions taken.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test
 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: groove music

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Hi David,
 
I use vlc for listening to dvd’s.  Where can I get the plug ins?  Thanks for your help.
 

From: David Moore
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 8:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music
 

Hi Gary,

I use VLC media player with NVDA, and it works great, because there is a NVDA addon, just to make NVDA work better in VLC. It is so easy to use, and you can play even blue ray DVDs with it.

You can download it from doing a google search, and it is free and Open source just like NVDA is.

You can add plug ins to it to make it into a audio and video editor. NVDA works with VLC better than many players that I have tried, especially with the NVDA add on just for VLC.

Have a good one, Gary!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 11:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music

 

Hi, Gary,

 

Try using windows media player or maybe CDex.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music

 

Hi Gene,

 

Yes, I want to rip a cd onto my pc.

 

From: Gene

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:59 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music

 

But there may be a specific reason Windows Media Player must be usede in this case.  Groove Music is a streaming service and, assumedly, it allows music to be listened to off line, but I would thing the music is DRM protected and would become available off line even if ripped or burned because such services don't want people to have music from them available if they are no longer members.  Such services make money by having people listen to and have access to music as members, not by members having access to music when no longer members.

 

Also, is the correct terminology being used?  Rip is creating MP3 files from a CD.  Do you, the person who asked the question, want MP3 files, from ripping, or do you want to burn a CD and have the music on a CD?  You say rip a CD and, since many people don't use correct terms for ripping and burning, this should be clarified.  I'm not assuming you use incorrect terms.  But since I don't know, I want to be sure you are actually wanting to rip and not burn a CD.

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:33 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music

 

I still use C D EX myself, the older version, its simple and fast.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music


Hi, Gary,



I could ask on another list. I haven't tried ripping CD's with groove music.
I use windows media player.



Rosemarie







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary
Metzler
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 6:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music



Hi Rosemary,



I couldn’t get the link to work  I pasted it into edge and got an error.
Thanks for trying.



From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 7:57 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music



Hi, Gary,



Here's the link I found on google.



https://answers.microsoft.com/...groove...rip-music-cds../9f7e6613-b8d2-4874-923a-..



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@...] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 4:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music



Ok. I'll google it.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 4:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music



Hi Rosemary,



If you find out please let me know.  Thanks,



From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 4:03 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music



I don’t know if groove music can rip CD’s. Haven’t tried it yet.







Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for Windows
10



From: Gary Metzler
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 10:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music



Hi Anthony,



I was asking if groove can rip a cd?  Also, is there a help file?  Thanks, d



-----Original Message-----

From: Antony Stone

Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 1:04 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music



Please can you re-phrase that question?  It doesn't make sense to me.



Thanks,



Antony.



On Friday 20 October 2017 at 19:02:56, Gary Metzler wrote:



> Hi all, How old is anyone know if the Groove music app and ripped CDS and

> is there a help file thank you Regards, Gary kn4ox



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Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen ReaderFeelToMe

David Griffith
 

I have never used the Code Factory add on – I have only used the Sapi 5 version as I wanted the voices available for other applications like speak On for reading the RNIB Newsagent service.

 

It sounds fine to me but then I am hearing impaired but Eloquence is pretty important for rapid consumption of material for me.

 

David Griffith

 

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
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https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Gene
Sent: 22 October 2017 00:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen ReaderFeelToMe

 

No, I used the wrong term.  I should have said SAPI 5.  I was confusing SAPI 5 with HTML5 because they are both associated with audio.

 

Gene

----- original Message-----

From: John Isige

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:55 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelToMe

 

There's a version of Eloquence written in HTML?

 


Re: Tested working audio with win10 safe mode.

Hareth
 

On 10/22/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
The list doesn't allow attachments as a lot of lists don't, for security
reasons.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: David Mehler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tested working audio with win10 safe mode.


Hi,

Didn't get it, can you resend?
Thanks.
Dave.


On 10/21/17, Hareth <hareth4m@gmail.com> wrote:
Greetings,
I've tested the attached reg file it worked with my Lenovo laptop,
tested with both internal and USB SB sound cards.
It should work with any sound card.
Note, at least for first try have some sighted help nearby just in case.
file reg Source windows10 forums.

Enjoy





Re: groove music

David Moore
 

Hi Gary,

I use VLC media player with NVDA, and it works great, because there is a NVDA addon, just to make NVDA work better in VLC. It is so easy to use, and you can play even blue ray DVDs with it.

You can download it from doing a google search, and it is free and Open source just like NVDA is.

You can add plug ins to it to make it into a audio and video editor. NVDA works with VLC better than many players that I have tried, especially with the NVDA add on just for VLC.

Have a good one, Gary!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 11:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music

 

Hi, Gary,

 

Try using windows media player or maybe CDex.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music

 

Hi Gene,

 

Yes, I want to rip a cd onto my pc.

 

From: Gene

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:59 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music

 

But there may be a specific reason Windows Media Player must be usede in this case.  Groove Music is a streaming service and, assumedly, it allows music to be listened to off line, but I would thing the music is DRM protected and would become available off line even if ripped or burned because such services don't want people to have music from them available if they are no longer members.  Such services make money by having people listen to and have access to music as members, not by members having access to music when no longer members.

 

Also, is the correct terminology being used?  Rip is creating MP3 files from a CD.  Do you, the person who asked the question, want MP3 files, from ripping, or do you want to burn a CD and have the music on a CD?  You say rip a CD and, since many people don't use correct terms for ripping and burning, this should be clarified.  I'm not assuming you use incorrect terms.  But since I don't know, I want to be sure you are actually wanting to rip and not burn a CD.

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:33 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music

 

I still use C D EX myself, the older version, its simple and fast.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music


Hi, Gary,



I could ask on another list. I haven't tried ripping CD's with groove music.
I use windows media player.



Rosemarie







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary
Metzler
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 6:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music



Hi Rosemary,



I couldn’t get the link to work.  I pasted it into edge and got an error.
Thanks for trying.



From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 7:57 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music



Hi, Gary,



Here's the link I found on google.



https://answers.microsoft.com/...groove...rip-music-cds../9f7e6613-b8d2-4874-923a-..



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 4:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music



Ok. I'll google it.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 4:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music



Hi Rosemary,



If you find out please let me know.  Thanks,



From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 4:03 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music



I don’t know if groove music can rip CD’s. Haven’t tried it yet.







Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for Windows
10



From: Gary Metzler
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 10:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music



Hi Anthony,



I was asking if groove can rip a cd?  Also, is there a help file?  Thanks, d



-----Original Message-----

From: Antony Stone

Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 1:04 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] groove music



Please can you re-phrase that question?  It doesn't make sense to me.



Thanks,



Antony.



On Friday 20 October 2017 at 19:02:56, Gary Metzler wrote:



> Hi all, How old is anyone know if the Groove music app and ripped CDS and

> is there a help file thank you Regards, Gary kn4ox



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Re: Tested working audio with win10 safe mode.

Gene
 

The list doesn't allow attachments as a lot of lists don't, for security reasons.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tested working audio with win10 safe mode.

Hi,

Didn't get it, can you resend?
Thanks.
Dave.


On 10/21/17, Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:
> Greetings,
> I've tested the attached reg file it worked with my Lenovo laptop,
> tested with both internal and USB SB sound cards.
> It should work with any sound card.
> Note, at least for first try have some sighted help nearby just in case.
> file reg Source windows10 forums.
>
> Enjoy
>
>
>
>



Re: Tested working audio with win10 safe mode.

Sarah k Alawami
 

I believe  attachments are being stripped. I didn't see it either, I don't think.

On Oct 21, 2017, at 4:46 PM, Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:

Here you go!

On 10/22/17, David Mehler <dave.mehler@...> wrote:
Hi,

Didn't get it, can you resend?
Thanks.
Dave.


On 10/21/17, Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:
Greetings,
I've tested the attached reg file it worked with my Lenovo laptop,
tested with both internal and USB SB sound cards.
It should work with any sound card.
Note, at least for first try have some sighted help nearby just in case.
file reg Source windows10 forums.

Enjoy











Re: test

David Moore
 

I use the mail app all the time, and I do the same thing.

CTRL+R and hitting alt twice, always does the trick.

You guys are right!

Thanks for clearing that up, because I love using the mail app, but it does have a few little kinks like that LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 7:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Yes, that is what he was asking about. I'm glad I was able to clarify this for you.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Yes, and if that is what the person was asking about, that is good information.  If I were using the app, I'd use control r, then press alt twice, at least that's what I think I would do, not having used the program. 

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:58 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gene,

 

In the mail app, if you try typing something after hitting control R, you get a message that says something like "no document". You either have to shift tab to the subject line and tab back to the edit field for replying or hit the alt key and enter to hear the subject line.

 

I hope this clarifies things a little better for you.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I know but what he said is that when he uses the command control r to reply, he doesn't hear the command spoken.  I'm saying that it doesn't matter if you hear the command control r spoken.  If he is discussing something else, what is it?  I don't use the mail app but until I hear further, I will assume that control r is the reply short cut command because that command is so standard in Windows e-mail programs.  Is there some other problem such as that when using the command, you don't hear something like the re subject line spoken to tell you that the command has been executed?

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:17 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gene,

 

With all due respect, the person asking the question is asking about the mail app which works a bit differently than other programs. He wasn't asking about windows live mail or other programs.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Why is the question being asked in the first place?  Unless you have NVDA set to speak keys such as control, shift, the arrow keys, etc. you won't hear such commands spoken at any time.  You know from the response of programs what is occurring.  If the reply message opens, NVDA will say something that will tell you that a reply message has opened.  If you hear nothing or somethin incorrect, you have issued the wrong command or the command didn't work properly.  When I issue a command that should result in something being spoken, I don't continue until I hear the start of the speech confirming the command.  If I do, I might start writing a message before the program is ready to receive it or take an action in another program before the program is ready to take the action.  Being excessively dependent on hearing keys announced and basing what you do on hearing keys announced rather than the response of Windows or the program you are working in isn't a good way to work with Windows or programs.  I don't have such keys announced, which is the default, because it wouldn't benefit me in any way to hear them announced.  Even if I did hear them announced, I wouldn't take actions until the program indicated that it was ready to have actions taken.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 

 


Re: Tested working audio with win10 safe mode.

Hareth
 

Here you go!

On 10/22/17, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

Didn't get it, can you resend?
Thanks.
Dave.


On 10/21/17, Hareth <hareth4m@gmail.com> wrote:
Greetings,
I've tested the attached reg file it worked with my Lenovo laptop,
tested with both internal and USB SB sound cards.
It should work with any sound card.
Note, at least for first try have some sighted help nearby just in case.
file reg Source windows10 forums.

Enjoy






Re: Tested working audio with win10 safe mode.

David Mehler
 

Hi,

Didn't get it, can you resend?
Thanks.
Dave.

On 10/21/17, Hareth <hareth4m@gmail.com> wrote:
Greetings,
I've tested the attached reg file it worked with my Lenovo laptop,
tested with both internal and USB SB sound cards.
It should work with any sound card.
Note, at least for first try have some sighted help nearby just in case.
file reg Source windows10 forums.

Enjoy




Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelToMe

Blee Blat <bleeblat@...>
 

Is there a way to be sure you have audio enhancements disabled? I'm not sure if  disabling the realtek startup stuff was enough to do it, but it seems that it is. Now I just get a tiny crackle during the NVDA startup sound, but I think that seems to be something wrong with this driver since if I change the sample rate to the default 48k instead of the CD audio setting, the crackle disappears, but having all the music resampled is undesirable as well, because it squishes the low to mid range frequencies a bit and seems to compress the sound dynamically as well, so I'll have to look for a better card. I don't care if speech gets messed with a little bit sonically as long as its responsive, but screwing with music is not at all useful.


Re: test

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Yes, that is what he was asking about. I'm glad I was able to clarify this for you.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Yes, and if that is what the person was asking about, that is good information.  If I were using the app, I'd use control r, then press alt twice, at least that's what I think I would do, not having used the program. 

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:58 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gene,

 

In the mail app, if you try typing something after hitting control R, you get a message that says something like "no document". You either have to shift tab to the subject line and tab back to the edit field for replying or hit the alt key and enter to hear the subject line.

 

I hope this clarifies things a little better for you.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I know but what he said is that when he uses the command control r to reply, he doesn't hear the command spoken.  I'm saying that it doesn't matter if you hear the command control r spoken.  If he is discussing something else, what is it?  I don't use the mail app but until I hear further, I will assume that control r is the reply short cut command because that command is so standard in Windows e-mail programs.  Is there some other problem such as that when using the command, you don't hear something like the re subject line spoken to tell you that the command has been executed?

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:17 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gene,

 

With all due respect, the person asking the question is asking about the mail app which works a bit differently than other programs. He wasn't asking about windows live mail or other programs.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Why is the question being asked in the first place?  Unless you have NVDA set to speak keys such as control, shift, the arrow keys, etc. you won't hear such commands spoken at any time.  You know from the response of programs what is occurring.  If the reply message opens, NVDA will say something that will tell you that a reply message has opened.  If you hear nothing or somethin incorrect, you have issued the wrong command or the command didn't work properly.  When I issue a command that should result in something being spoken, I don't continue until I hear the start of the speech confirming the command.  If I do, I might start writing a message before the program is ready to receive it or take an action in another program before the program is ready to take the action.  Being excessively dependent on hearing keys announced and basing what you do on hearing keys announced rather than the response of Windows or the program you are working in isn't a good way to work with Windows or programs.  I don't have such keys announced, which is the default, because it wouldn't benefit me in any way to hear them announced.  Even if I did hear them announced, I wouldn't take actions until the program indicated that it was ready to have actions taken.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: test

Gene
 

Yes, and if that is what the person was asking about, that is good information.  If I were using the app, I'd use control r, then press alt twice, at least that's what I think I would do, not having used the program. 
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi, Gene,

 

In the mail app, if you try typing something after hitting control R, you get a message that says something like "no document". You either have to shift tab to the subject line and tab back to the edit field for replying or hit the alt key and enter to hear the subject line.

 

I hope this clarifies things a little better for you.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I know but what he said is that when he uses the command control r to reply, he doesn't hear the command spoken.  I'm saying that it doesn't matter if you hear the command control r spoken.  If he is discussing something else, what is it?  I don't use the mail app but until I hear further, I will assume that control r is the reply short cut command because that command is so standard in Windows e-mail programs.  Is there some other problem such as that when using the command, you don't hear something like the re subject line spoken to tell you that the command has been executed?

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:17 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gene,

 

With all due respect, the person asking the question is asking about the mail app which works a bit differently than other programs. He wasn't asking about windows live mail or other programs.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Why is the question being asked in the first place?  Unless you have NVDA set to speak keys such as control, shift, the arrow keys, etc. you won't hear such commands spoken at any time.  You know from the response of programs what is occurring.  If the reply message opens, NVDA will say something that will tell you that a reply message has opened.  If you hear nothing or somethin incorrect, you have issued the wrong command or the command didn't work properly.  When I issue a command that should result in something being spoken, I don't continue until I hear the start of the speech confirming the command.  If I do, I might start writing a message before the program is ready to receive it or take an action in another program before the program is ready to take the action.  Being excessively dependent on hearing keys announced and basing what you do on hearing keys announced rather than the response of Windows or the program you are working in isn't a good way to work with Windows or programs.  I don't have such keys announced, which is the default, because it wouldn't benefit me in any way to hear them announced.  Even if I did hear them announced, I wouldn't take actions until the program indicated that it was ready to have actions taken.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelToMe

Gene
 

No, I used the wrong term.  I should have said SAPI 5.  I was confusing SAPI 5 with HTML5 because they are both associated with audio.
 
Gene
----- original Message-----

From: John Isige
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelToMe

There's a version of Eloquence written in HTML?



Re: test

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,

 

In the mail app, if you try typing something after hitting control R, you get a message that says something like "no document". You either have to shift tab to the subject line and tab back to the edit field for replying or hit the alt key and enter to hear the subject line.

 

I hope this clarifies things a little better for you.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I know but what he said is that when he uses the command control r to reply, he doesn't hear the command spoken.  I'm saying that it doesn't matter if you hear the command control r spoken.  If he is discussing something else, what is it?  I don't use the mail app but until I hear further, I will assume that control r is the reply short cut command because that command is so standard in Windows e-mail programs.  Is there some other problem such as that when using the command, you don't hear something like the re subject line spoken to tell you that the command has been executed?

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:17 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gene,

 

With all due respect, the person asking the question is asking about the mail app which works a bit differently than other programs. He wasn't asking about windows live mail or other programs.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Why is the question being asked in the first place?  Unless you have NVDA set to speak keys such as control, shift, the arrow keys, etc. you won't hear such commands spoken at any time.  You know from the response of programs what is occurring.  If the reply message opens, NVDA will say something that will tell you that a reply message has opened.  If you hear nothing or somethin incorrect, you have issued the wrong command or the command didn't work properly.  When I issue a command that should result in something being spoken, I don't continue until I hear the start of the speech confirming the command.  If I do, I might start writing a message before the program is ready to receive it or take an action in another program before the program is ready to take the action.  Being excessively dependent on hearing keys announced and basing what you do on hearing keys announced rather than the response of Windows or the program you are working in isn't a good way to work with Windows or programs.  I don't have such keys announced, which is the default, because it wouldn't benefit me in any way to hear them announced.  Even if I did hear them announced, I wouldn't take actions until the program indicated that it was ready to have actions taken.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelToMe

John Isige
 

There's a version of Eloquence written in HTML?


Re: test

Gene
 

I know but what he said is that when he uses the command control r to reply, he doesn't hear the command spoken.  I'm saying that it doesn't matter if you hear the command control r spoken.  If he is discussing something else, what is it?  I don't use the mail app but until I hear further, I will assume that control r is the reply short cut command because that command is so standard in Windows e-mail programs.  Is there some other problem such as that when using the command, you don't hear something like the re subject line spoken to tell you that the command has been executed?
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi, Gene,

 

With all due respect, the person asking the question is asking about the mail app which works a bit differently than other programs. He wasn't asking about windows live mail or other programs.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Why is the question being asked in the first place?  Unless you have NVDA set to speak keys such as control, shift, the arrow keys, etc. you won't hear such commands spoken at any time.  You know from the response of programs what is occurring.  If the reply message opens, NVDA will say something that will tell you that a reply message has opened.  If you hear nothing or somethin incorrect, you have issued the wrong command or the command didn't work properly.  When I issue a command that should result in something being spoken, I don't continue until I hear the start of the speech confirming the command.  If I do, I might start writing a message before the program is ready to receive it or take an action in another program before the program is ready to take the action.  Being excessively dependent on hearing keys announced and basing what you do on hearing keys announced rather than the response of Windows or the program you are working in isn't a good way to work with Windows or programs.  I don't have such keys announced, which is the default, because it wouldn't benefit me in any way to hear them announced.  Even if I did hear them announced, I wouldn't take actions until the program indicated that it was ready to have actions taken.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Tested working audio with win10 safe mode.

Hareth
 

Greetings,
I've tested the attached reg file it worked with my Lenovo laptop,
tested with both internal and USB SB sound cards.
It should work with any sound card.
Note, at least for first try have some sighted help nearby just in case.
file reg Source windows10 forums.

Enjoy


Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelToMe

Gene
 

If you use the code factory add on that provides both Eloquence for NVDA and another synthesizer, I don't remember what it is but, despite its popularity, I consider it a very poor synthesizer, Eloquence has a lot of artifacts when I tested the add on and I am not using any enhancements in audio.  I tested it on XP but I saw many complaints about artifacts from others using other versions of Windows.  I don't recall if turning off enhancements solved the problem for anyone using the add on.  Trying the demo would be in order if you want to use the add on. 
 
The HTML5 version didn't produce any artifacts when I tested it.  I'm not sure what is being discussed now, the addon or the HTML5 version.  If artifacts are heard in the HTML5 version, enhancements may be the problem.  I would say to try the demo or both demos if desired to see how they both work on the machine under whatever conditions you want to test.
 
I don't know which, the HTML5 or the addon, is more responsive nor do I know the price for either.  Whatever the price that was cited for Eloquence during this thread, was that definitely for the HTML5 version or was it for the addon which gives you two synthesizers. 
 
Gene----- Original Message -----

From: Blee Blat
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelToMe

Yes, I've done that I think. Windows 10 doesn't have a disable all
enhancements checkbox for playback, so I'm not sure if I've disabled
them fully or not, I've disabled the realtek services from running at
startup, but I'm not sure if that has other issues. I'll probably have
to get another sound card for this laptop anyway, because it seems that
they're doing really silly things like having all these DTS codecs and
junk built into drivers now. Sound enhancements are an abomination, they
just destroy your music  and so everyone should turn them off. I don't
know what the purpose of a system wide equalizer is. The only people
that might possibly need these are people with specific hearing loss
possibly, but I would let those people speak for themselves. It
shouldn't be enabled by default, for sure.