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error in log file

Don H
 

Running latest version of NVDA on a Win 10 fall creator edition.
NVDA is randomly losing speech. Only error in log file is:
INFO - external:globalPlugins.weather plus.GetUrlData (17:43:32.177):
Weather Plus 4.6 20.10.2017: HTTP Error 429: Too Many Requests
INFO - core.main (17:43:33.309):
NVDA initialized


Re: New Blog Post: The GitHub Games Pt. 0 - Background, Introduction and Series Overview

V Stuart Foote
 

The Wikipedia article on the "Git" project has the accepted etymology of the name.

It does derive from the UK English slang... enjoy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git


Re: New Blog Post: The GitHub Games Pt. 0 - Background, Introduction and Series Overview

 

Well, developers also use shortened words.

I am not sure exactly what git actually means except the g is obviously gnu, u is unix and I am not sure what gn stands for right now.

To be honest as an admin I have never thought much into what stuff is.

Most of the time if it works and is used I just load it and be done.

Havn't needed to wander at it.

However any shortened words usually come from longer words which are shortened versions of other words which if not done so would be big.

Can you imagine if github actually was spoken as a full word.

Firstly gnu would have to be spoken in full then as long as it had full words and if those were not shortened and assuming things did not get more complex,.

Its a long time since bmp was bit map image and gif was graphics interchange format and stuff like that.

I suspect the more complex stuff has got developmental words have increased to such a volume that typing out a name would use a lot of the page imagine what a manual would look like with no shortening.

On 25/10/2017 1:29 a.m., Antony Stone wrote:
Github is named after the version control system git, which was developed by
Linus Torvalds with a full understanding of its meaning in English.

Antony.

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For my part, I'm wondering who would name a development platform Github.
They either had a warped sense of humour, or were not aware of the meaning
of Git in the UK English lexicon. grin.
Brian


Re: support for xp

 

I agree, actually if I didn't have so many folders subscribed bit torrent sync wouldn't be a thing either.

I have sorted it out, but its doubtfull I will use it long term and certainly not as frequent as I used to.

Dropbox has also a lot of inaccessible parts but the fact I don't need to access most of it at any time is why I still use it.

On the other hand some stuff is good for an app.

Desktop apps get extras but apps are sandboxed in some environment so they can't modify your system as such which can be good for some stuff.

However without ms music, if it were not for google calindars, weather and news I'd be looking to be not using my ms account for anything bar skype and if skype ever shifted I'd be almost able to delete my ms account entirely.

The issue I have is not a ms malware or other issue its that one size fits all and for the large majority of laptops, tablets, and phones as well as on the go devices it all works expecially if you have several to chain together.

But desktops and gaming units that mostly stay in one place, come on! it doesn't work.

Even with my laptop I don't use the touch screen.

Or edge, both are crap and dumb.

I don't care ms made it better, traditional computers have different needs to tablets.

Sadly it is all online, but to bad if the power goes.

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I am turned off of google just now due to their drive app being a heap of rubbish in its latest guise.
Brian

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Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 9:30 PM
Subject: [nvda] support for xp


Hi jean and all.

Personally I don't think people mind the new tech, but its simply we don't support xp because microsoft said so.

People really don't care about it.

A good reason maybe the security, or maybe even the performance, lets face it ms stuff is targeted by hackers.

I read a message saying someone got into dev servers on an apple company and well bad things happened.

Point is, I think users are getting tired ofpeople like ms saying you do this because we say you do, you send us your info for services which are or can be suddenly cut, users want a little choice is all.

The only service which at the moment has it right ish is google.

True you loose your privacy and probably all your personal info becomes part of the net but for the services about, its a small price to pay even when google changes things, well.

It would be different if google suddenly decided to cut mail or get all users to pay 20 bucks a month for it.







Re: facebook and edge

Devin Prater
 

Yes, with Narrator, it's rather good.

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:36 PM Ann Byrne <annakb@...> wrote:
I tried it with m.facebook.com, and it was not at all successful.
At 11:41 AM 10/24/2017, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>Has anyone tried the mobile facebook page with edge?  I tried it and
>had a lot of numbers spoken and it repeated many of the items.  Is
>there some settings I need to change to get it to work
>better?  thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox
>




--

sent from Inbox by Gmail.
Devin Prater

r.d.t.prater@...


Re: win10 apps

 

Well it depends I have friends using tablets all their lives, they in fact buy touchpads to do things like clicking.

My issue is not the term apps its becoming what I say for everything.

The thing is, desktops should be able to use desktop programs, its no wnder windows phone failed, hardly any of the windows apps I even use and if one appears where I don't want it, I am more likely to delete it not open it.

On 24/10/2017 9:03 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I rather feel that apps was and probably still is an attempt to make mobile and desktop  use the same code.
To me though the two regimes are totally different, even for the sighted.
On a mobile platform you have small screen small device and no keys to press and all of that, but on a home system you do not have to have things that way, Microsoft use touch screens its true, but from what I've found and have witnessed people after a bit of fiddling about with the novelty go back to a keyboard and a mouse.
Brian

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Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 9:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] win10 apps


Hi.

Further to the message I sent, I think its wrong to make us the users use apps.

While on a smart phone I can see a reason the thing is we have grown up as blind people using desktop apps.

And I don't see bar a few reasons to use the universal crappy and inaccessible apps.

Even if their status changes there are vary few apps I find usefull that I have to use or something like store and settings.

Calendar, weather, knfb reader, usefull but knfb only because I got it cheap I'd never use them otherwise.

Ms lens I guess is ok but still.

Out of all those weather I can read online without the app and a calendar while nice I can do without.

Everything else is desktop but then I am a gamer and home user doing some freelance contracts so I don't need the blessings and curse of an office suite.

Jarte handles most things for me.







Re: facebook and edge

Ann Byrne
 

I tried it with m.facebook.com, and it was not at all successful.

At 11:41 AM 10/24/2017, you wrote:
Hi All,

Has anyone tried the mobile facebook page with edge? I tried it and had a lot of numbers spoken and it repeated many of the items. Is there some settings I need to change to get it to work better? thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox


facebook and edge

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Hi All,
 
Has anyone tried the mobile facebook page with edge?  I tried it and had a lot of numbers spoken and it repeated many of the items.  Is there some settings I need to change to get it to work better?  thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox


Re: safe mode

Hareth
 

Hi all,
You can reboot in to safe mode by doing the following:
press windows plus r and type
msconfig and hit inter
press ctrl plus tab to get to the "boot tab"
tab to "safe boot" and check the check mark
tab to "base video" and check it as well.
tab to the OK button and press it, you'd get a prompt to restart
computer to apply changes,
if you select "restart now" your PC should restart into safe mode.
after finishing your PC job with safe mode, do the same steps above
but this time uncheck the two check marks above for both safeboot, and
base video. and press OK and restart,
your PC will restart to the normal mode.
I hope it helps.
Best

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Restart in safe mode. However as I've said before this means accessing the
menu that can be made to appear by various means as the machine looks at how

to boot. Normally its function key based depending on the bios.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <hfiallo@rcn.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode


After I instal it, what do I need to do?

From: Adriani Botez
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 1:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode

Here is a file which changes your registry in the way that sound driver is
kept on in safe mode. It works in windows 10 and I have tested it in Windows

7 x86 and it works as well. There is also a discussion in this forum about
it, it was some days ago. Several people tested it and in works.



https://www.dropbox.com/s/ebkqst6n393i6jk/Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.zip?dl=1



Best

Adriani



Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Sarah k

Alawami
Gesendet: Montag, 23. Oktober 2017 19:31
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] safe mode



No. And it will never work. No audo drivers can be loaded only display
drivers.



Take care





On Oct 23, 2017, at 3:39 AM, Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@rcn.com> wrote:



Does NVDA, narrator or jaws works in safe mode? Can not delete avast and
the only way to uninstall it is by going to safe mode.



Holger Fiallo









Re: NVDA and Windows 10

Giles Turnbull
 

I've never experienced that myself on the one laptop and two tablet devices all running Win10 that I use. One thing I did discover is that when NVDA says enter pin on the one tablet I have a pin rather than a password login, if I press the num lock key it drops me straight into the text box for the pin, and it does on the other tablet that uses a password, which is a handy shortcut. If I try tabbing to the text box it takes a couple of presses to get into the text box.


Re: Using Win 10's Mail App

Gene
 

I don't know what program you are referring to when you speak of importing accounts and addresses being in a different form.  This is a program question, not an XP question. 
 
Gene

Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Win 10's Mail App

If you have accounts saved from an xp machine you wil have them in a
different form, and if you have contacts imported from an xp account you wil
have them in wab form can the client import these to save lots of setting up
issues, and what about sig lines as text files?

Also it seems not to do newsgroups, which I use a lot here.
 brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Win 10's Mail App


Hi Pauline!
I wrote a text tutorial on using the Mail, Calendar, and People apps.
The instructions work with any screen reader.
I will just paste it right here in the message, so you and everyone else can
read it right here in the message.
Here is my tutorial right below!
Here is the start of the tutorial.
Tutorial on Using the Mail, People, and Calendar Apps.
By
David Moore
All key commands for all three apps, Mail, People, and Calendar, are at the
end of this tutorial.
Intruduction:

 I will Let you know this first. When you import your email accounts into
the win10 Mail app,
your contacts are automatically imported into the People app. All calendar
information, is imported into the Calendar app.
So, if you want to work with your contacts, you have to do so in the people
app and not the mail app. Think of it like this. Three apps work together to
give you that MS outlook client experience.
The people app has all of your contacts. The mail app is where you work with
and send your email messages. The Calendar app has all of your appointments
and much more.
Now, while you are in the win10 mail app, you can switch to the Calendar app
or the People app.
 Many of the commands are the same as in WLM.
Mail for Windows 10 supports most types of email services.  You can add any
of these Microsoft accounts:
Exchange, Office 365, Outlook.com, Hotmail, Live.com, and MSN.com.  You can
also add any of these accounts:
Gmail, Yahoo Mail, iCloud, or an account with a POP or IMAP server.

Section One
Launching the Windows 10 Mail App
So, let us consider how you can launch the mail app for the first time. The
way I did it, was to press the windows key or CTRL+Escape and type mail. I
heard windows mail app trusted windows store app.
Now, press enter, and the mail app will open. There you go, you have
launched the mail app for the first time. The first time you open Mail,
you'll land on the Welcome screen. Press Enter on Get Started. Now, you are
ready to start using the Win10 Mail App. If you have a Microsoft Account,
your MS email account should already be imported into the mail app.

Section Two:
Putting the Mail, Calendar, and People apps on your Desktop, or pinning them
to your taskbar:
Finally, let us begin to learn how to use these three apps.
You may want to pin all three apps, Mail, Calendar, and People, to your
taskbar, or put them on your desktop as short cuts.
To put them as short cuts on your Desktop, press Windows key+R to open the
run dialog.
just type:
shell:appsfolder
In a second, all of your apps will be in a list. Just press the first letter
of the one you want until you hear, Mail, for example.
Now, press your applications key or Shift+F10.
Now, press the up arrow key once to hear:
Create short cut.
Enter on that, and you will hear:
Short cut cannot be created here, do you want to put it on the desktop
instead?
Just press enter, and the Mail app will be on your Desktop.
To pen it to the taskbar, just press the Windows Key or CTRL+Escape and type
Mail, for example.
When you hear Mail, just press the appllications key or Shift+F10 and arrow
down to:
Pin to taskbar and press enter.
The Mail app will be on your Taskbar.
You can do the same for the Calendar and People apps.

Section Three
A Few Key Commands to get started:
 Here are a few commands to use the mail app. Tab key: The tab key will get
you anywhere you need to go in the mail app. Also, F6 will take you to
different sections of the app. These three apps, mail, people, and calendar
apps have been made so accessible, that you can use the PC cursor with JAWS.
Also, no object navigation needs to be done in these three apps with NVDA.
Narrator works great as well.
When you read messages with Narrator, Scan mode needs to be activated by
pressing:
Caps Lock+Spacebar.
That command toggles the Scan Mode on and off with Narrator.
You only want to turn on Scan Mode to read messages.
You want it off the rest of the time. Even when you type a message, Scan
Mode needs to be turnned off.
Scan Mode is just for reading.
When a message is opened with JAWS, you are put in a virtual viewer so you
can use the virtual cursor, just like in a web page.
Now, to work with messages:
 to send your message, press
alt+S.
To reply to a message:
press ctrl+R.
to forward a message:
press CTRL+F.
to create a new message:
press CTRL+N.
As you type the email address, choices will populate to choose from.
To insert an attachment, press Alt+I.
You can then brows for the file you want to attach.
All other key commands for all three of these apps, will be put at the end
of this tutorial.

Section Four:
Importing your first account into the Mail App
Now, let us add our first account.
From the list of messages for your MS account, tab to manage accounts and
press enter.
If you do not have an MS email account imported in to the Mail app, just Tab
to Manage Accounts and press enter.
 Next, tab to the Add account button and press enter.
 You will be in a list of account types you can add. In the Choose an
account dialog, use the Down Arrow key to go through the list of account
types (Outlook.com, Exchange, Google, Yahoo Mail, and so
on). When you hear the name of your account type, press Enter. For example,
if you want to add a Gmail account, press enter on Google. Next, Enter the
email address for the account that you want to add. Now, tab to the password
box, and enter your password.
Press the Tab key to move to the Sign in button and press enter.
 Now, press enter again on the:
 done button.
Your email account should import into the Mail app in seconds, and your
emails will be in your in box from the last three months.
 Now, if it does not work to import an account by choosing Google, for
example, any account will import into this choice:
Go to the account choice:
other account, IMAP or POP.
Any account, Pop or IMAP, will import under this choice, even a Google
account.
Only a few POP email Accounts will have to be imported by hand with all of
the settings.
For most accounts, your email and password will be enough to import the
account.
The last account choice, is the advanced account. Enter on this last choice
if you need to enter in all of your account settings by hand.
The only reason why you need the advanced account choice is to import a few
older POP 3 accounts and set them up by hand.
To import all of your accounts:
Just follow the same instructions written above.
You will need to press enter on Manage Accounts, and enter on Add account,
for each account you import.
It is important that you know that your contacts for your accounts, are
imported into the People app.
You can get to the People App right from the Mail app.
Also, all calendar data partaning to your accounts, is imported into the
Calendar App.
This is how all three apps work together to give you the entire Email Client
experience.
After you add your accounts, notice in the manage accounts menu, you will
see a choice to link accounts. This means, that you could have all messages
from all of your accounts go into one inbox. I would not do this. Each
account should have its own inbox.
Now, let us press enter on one of the accounts that you just added and see
what happens.
If you press enter on one of your accounts, there is a choice to delete the
account if you decide you do not want it in the mail app anymore.
Also, if you press enter on the sync settings, you will see that your emails
from three months ago will import. You can change this if you want.
Also, You can change some settings about how the emails are synced in the
mail app, but I would not mess with that at all.
Now, just press escape to get out of that, and you will be back in your list
of accounts. Press escape to close the manage accounts pane.
We are all done with the Manage accounts option.

Section Five:
Navigating the Maiol App with the Tab Key
Now, we have all of our accounts imported intothe Mail App.
Make sure that you are on a folder list of messages for one of your
accounts.
A list of messages will be our starting point, and we will begin to tab.
Now I will Tab.
I am on my list of emails for my MS Outlook account.
Tabbing:
I hear Navigation button collapsed.
You want to press enter to hear:
Navigation button expanded.
If you do not do this, you will not see everything in the Mail app.
Tab again, and you hear:
New Mail Button.
This is what you activate by pressing the key command:
CTRL+N
You do not need this button.
Tab: and you hear:
Manage accounts.
That is where we just were when you imported and customized all of your
email accounts.
Tab:
You will see a list of all of your accounts once you import them into the
Mail app.
If you press enter on an account, the In Box of messages for that account
will open and you are put in the inbox of messages.
 Now, we will tab from your list of accounts.
You have Folders Button.
Sub Section:
Folders Button.
When you press enter on Folders Button, there is a lot you can do in here.
In this Sub Section, We will talk about all you can do after you press enter
on Folders Button.
Press enter on Folders Button:
The first thing you will be on, is a virticle list of all of your folders
for that email account.
You can just up and down arrow to the folder you want, and press enter.
You are then put right in the list of messages for that folder.
Instead of pressing enter on a folder, if you tab once, you can press enter
on:
Create New Folder
As soon as you press enter, you have to type in the name of the new folder.
This will create a new folder for that account.
This is all in the Folders Button.
Press enter on Folders Button, again, if you are not still in that pane.
On your list of folders, you can arrow to a folder, and press:
Applications Key or Shift+F10.
You can now down arrow through the following choices:
Add to Favorites Button
Pressing Enter will put that folder on your favorites list of folders, so
you do not have to keep coming into the Folders Button to find a folder.
Next choice when pressing applications Key:
, Create new subfolder Button
Pressing enter on that choice, will allow you to create a sub folder under
that main folder you arrowed to.
As soon as you press enter, you have to type in the name of the sub folder,
and press enter.
The third choice:
 Rename Button
The fourth choice:
Delete Button
Pressing enter there wil delete the folder.
Fifth Choice:
Move Button
Sixth Choice:
 Empty folder Button
Seventh and last Choice:
Pin to Start Button
To review:
When you arrow to a folder, you can press:
Applications Key or Shift+F10,
and you get a menu of seven choices listed above.
You can press enter on any of those choices to do the action that it says.
We are all done with the Folders Button.
Now, make sure that you are on the Folders Button, and we will start tabbing
again.
If you tab from the Folders Button,
You are on your list of Favorite Folders I mentioned.
You can just arrow down through this list of folders that you chose to be
your favorite folders.
You do not have to enter on the Folders Button to get to these.
They are right here in a list.
I have my In Box folder, Sent Folder, Trash Folder, and a Saved folder that
I created, in my Favorites list.
I keep those four folders in that favorites list, so I do not have to keep
pressing enter on the Folders Button to get to those Folders.
I can just tab over to this list of four folders that I use the most.
Pressing enter on one of those four folders will put me right in the list of
messages for that folder.
You always get put right on the list of messages when you enter on any
folder.
Now, we will tab from this favorites list, and we get:
Moore Button.
This is the exact copy of the Folders Button LOL!
Forget the More Button LOL!
Tab again:
Switch to Calendar Button:
Tab:
Switch to People Button:
Pressing enter on one of those buttons, will Open one of those apps.
You can have all three opened at the same time.
Tab:
Settings Button:

Sub Section:
We have important stuff here, if we press enter on Settings Button, so this
will be another sub section, like Folders Button.
Settings Button
Press Enter on Settings Button.
Now, let us look at the settings in the mail app. There are some settings
that you might want to change or work with in these groups of settings . The
two groups of settings you should open are the reading and signature
settings. Do not mess with the other groups of settings.
Reading Settings
There are two choices you might want to change in this settings group.
You can check or uncheck carrot browsing.
I would leave carrot browsing unchecked in the reading settings group.
Now, in this reading group, there is also a button that turns on and off
conversation view.
You definitely want this button checked, because your messages will be
grouped into their respective threads.
You can delete the entire thread if your messages are in conversation view.
Press enter on the back button to close the reading group.
Each group of Settings has a back button you can press enter on to get out
of that group, and you are taken back to the groups of settings.
Signature Settings Group:
This is the only other group of settings where you need to do anything.
Press Enter on Signature Settings.
In here, you can add a signature, or check all accounts to have the same
signature
If you check to have a signature, and press Tab, there is a signature that
is there by default.
 It says:
sent from mail for windows 10.
If you want to create your own signature, check the signature, and over
right that default signature to add your own signature you want to appear
after every message that you send.
 You can have different signatures for each account, or have the same
signature for all accounts by checking all accounts.
If you want no signature, you can just press Spacebar to uncheck the
signature toggle.
Press the Back Button, to get out of the Signature Settings Group.
If you press:
Escape
You are back on the Settings Button, where we were tabbing across the Mail
App.
That is pretty much all I would worry about in settings.
There are just a few more tabs, before we are back to the list of messages.
Tab from Settings Button:
There is a search edit box.
If you type any name, or phrase, and so on in that search box,
it will narrow down the list of email messages that have that Name or phrase
in them.
This is a great way to find a particular message very quickly.
I use this a lot.
You can get right to that search box,
by pressing:
CTRL+E
You do not have to tab to that LOL!
Tab, and you have:
Sync this View Button.
If you press that, your messages will load more quickly, but they load
quickly anyway for me, and I do not have to press enter on that:
sync this View button.
Tab again, and you have:
Enter Selection Mode Button.
This is important.
When you press enter on that button, you are on your list of messages in
that folder, but now, there is a difference.
There is now a check box before each message that you can press spacebar on
to check that message. You can check as many messages as you want.
Now, if you shift tab twice, you are back to where the:
Enter sellection Mode Button was.
Now, there is a check box there that says, Select all, check box not
checked.
you can press spacebar to check all of your messages. You have to tab twice
to get back to the list of messages, but now, they are all checked.
After you check messages, you can press the:
applications Key or Shift+F10
and you will have the following choices:
Archive, Delete, Move, and a few less important choices in that context
menu.
If you press enter on delete, all messages that are selected will be
deleted. If you press enter on move, your list of all folders come up, and
you can move your selected messages to another folder.
Just press enter on the folder, and the selected messages are moved to that
folder.

Section Six:
Working with your messages:
Now, we can start working with with our email messages for what ever account
you pick from the list of accounts. All the accounts will be in a virticle
list, and you just press enter on what ever account you want to work with,
and you will be placed in the inbox and the messages will load.
Here we go LOL!
Let us arrow through the messages in the inbox and read some of our
messages.
Just enter on the message you want to open. To read messages with NVDA, you
must be in brows mode.
When you type a message, you must be in focus mode.
The only time you want to be in Brows Mode, is to read the messages. To
attach a file to the message, for example, you want to be in Focus mode with
NVDA.
With Narrator, you want to be in scan mode to read messages.
To do everything else, even type a message, you need to turn off scan mode.
Narrator works very well with the mail app.
 Now, with JAWS, you are put in a virtual environment just like on the
Internet. The virtual PC cursor, will allow you to select and copy
information that is right in the message.
when you are done reading that message, just press escape to get out of the
message and back to the list of messages
You do not have to do anything with JAWS to do all that you want to do in
the mail app, even type a message.
 Now, let me give you some important key commands right here.
tab gets you anywhere in the mail app you want to be. Tabbing will get you
to the list of your accounts, and the folders button, that you enter on to
get a full list of folders for that account. When you are on the list of
folders, tab to the more button and press enter to do more with your
folders, like create a new folder. To create a sub folder for a particular
folder Tab to the more button again, and press enter. Down arrow to creat a
sub folder. and arrow to which folder you want to create the sub folder for
and tab to create, and press enter. . Now, you can type the name of the sub
folder you want, and press enter. That is how you create a sub folder of a
folder that is already there. When you are on a message in the list, you can
press the applications key or shift+F10 and get choices of what you can do
with that message. One of these choices is move. If you enter on move, you
will get a list of folders you can move that message to. I created a folder
called saved messages. So when I want to save a message, I just move the
message to my saved messages folder. If you press delete, the message goes
in the trash folder. To send a message, press ctrl+N. You are put in the to:
edit box. Just type in the email, tab to subject, and tab to write your
message. To send a message, press Alt+S, and you are back on the list of
messages in your inbox. After you open a message and read it, you can reply
to it by pressing CTRL+R. Just type your message, and press alt+S to send
your reply. You will be in the list of messages, and just press the delete
key to delete that message. To forward a message, just press ctrl+F. To
spell check your message before sending, just press F7.
Tabs on the ribbon of the mail app:
Here we go with the ribbon. When you are in a message, three tabs show up on
the ribbon. Just press the alt key to get to the ribbon. The first tab you
will hear is the format tab. Right arrow to the insert tab, and right arrow
again to the third and last tab, the options tab. Now, if you press alt a
second time while you are still in the mail app, you will be on the tab that
you were last working with. If you were working with the options tab lastly,
the options tab will show up, and you will have to left arrow to get back to
insert and format. You do wrap around in a circle with a couple of other
choices in there as you wrap. On any of these tabs, just press the down
arrow to get to all of the choices for that tab. Then, press tab to tab
through all of the choices. For example, to insert an attachment into an
email, press the alt key, and arrow to the insert tab. Then, press the down
arrow, and you are right on the files choice. It will not say attach, this
is very important. Pressing down arrow on the insert tab, allows you to
insert different things into your email. Remember, you can just press:
Alt+I to attach a file.
 To attach anything else, you must go to the insert tab on the ribbon. The
ribbon is not important, unless you want to insert different things into the
email, or if you want to format the email.
Other choices to insert, are table, link, and so on. These are different
things that you can insert in your email. Press enter on files, and you can
brows your computer to find a file to insert or attach, and press enter on
the open button. Now, you are put back on your message you are composing. If
you press Shift+tab one time, you will be on your file that you attached to
your email. That is how people will find your attachments. They will just
shift tab to hear all of the files you inserted or attached to your email.
Now, Use Shift+Tab again to move focus to the subject line, and press
Shift+Tab again to hear the sender’s name. In other words, when you are in a
message, press Shift+tab to hear all of the information like the subject,
the sender, the time and date, and so on. There are not key commands to read
this information to you like in other clients. When you finish reading the
message, press the Escape key to return to the message list. That is the
key. If you just press escape, you go back to your list of messages. If you
press delete on a message in the list, it goes to the trash folder right
away. Now, if you select some text in your email, just press alt, and arrow
to the format tab, and press down arrow to the format choices if you want to
format your email. just tab through the choices. There are many, you can do
about anything here to format your email text. For example, if you down
arrow on the format tab, there will be choices to bold, underline, and to do
other things to the text that you select in your email that you are
composing. Now, for the options tab, the third and last tab, you will not
need to use, but feel free to check out the options. The option for Spell
Checking, is the same as pressing F7 in your message. Now, here is the thing
about spell checking in the mail app. You can go to the win10 settings app,
by pressing windows+I to have win10 correct much of your spelling as you
type. This only works though, in a win10 app. The mail app qualifies for
that. So, in settings, arrow to the devices group and press enter. Then, go
to the type choice and press enter. Check two check boxes. The first says
something like correct spelling, and the second one says something like high
light words that are misspelled. Check those two check boxes and press
enter. Now, when you are in the mail app, most of the words will be
automatically corrected as you type them. However, this feature will not
correct all misspelled words. This is where you press F7 to do a total spell
check. Important: There is not a way to have the mail app spell check every
message automatically when you send it like with WLM. You definitely have to
spell check every message that you compose before you send it just like with
each document in Word.
Well, we have covered everything with the mail app itself.
Now, I will show you quickly how to use the people app and calendar app, and
then you can use all three apps together as one email client.
People app:
Launch the People app, and tab a few times. You will tab by a new button,
where you can manually enter the information for a new contact. If you tab
passed the new button, you will come to a list of contacts. You cannot use
first letter navigation to jump to a certain contact, but here is what you
can do. Tab one more time, and you will be in a list of letters of the
alphabet. Again, you cannot use first letter navigation, like you can now
use in the all apps. Just arrow down to the letter you want, and shift+tab
back to the list of contact starting with that letter. Find the name you
want, and tab a few more times. There will be an edit where you can edit the
contact's information. Tab passed that, and you will come to profile. Tab
one more time, and you will be on their email. To copy that email, you have
to press the applications key, or shift+F10, and press enter on copy. You
will then have that person's email copied to the clip board. You can go to
the mail app, and paste that into the to: edit box to send them an email.
That is it with the people app. Remember, your contacts are imported into
the people app. As you type an email into the mail app, the populated
choices come from the people app.
Calendar app:
Launch the calendar app, and press alt+ctrl+4 to get into month view. You
are put on a grid of days of the week. You will land on to day. It will say
the date as well. For example, you will hear Friday, October 28. You also
hear how many events are linked with that day, like birthday's of your
contacts and so on. Tab to each event, and press enter on the event to get
the details of the event. If you shift+tab, you will go back to the day of
those events. If you press right and left arrow, you will go forward a day
or back a day. Up arrow takes you a week before from that day, and downarrow
takes you a week ahead of that day. If you want to schedule an event for a
certain day, just press enter on that day, and a dialog will come up for you
to enter all of the information for the appointment or event, and there is
an okay or done button. There you go! That is how you read days, the events
for those days, and how to schedule an event for that day. That is about it
for the calendar app.

Here are many keyboard shortcuts to use all three apps:
 Account Manual Sync (Send and retrieve new mail)
CTRL+M
Or
F9
Mark as read
CTRL+Q
Mark as unread
CTRL+U
Toggle the important property on a conversation
CTRL+SHIFT+G
Delete a conversation
CTRL+D
Or
DEL
Archive a conversation
BACKSPACE
Reply to current mail
CTRL+R
Reply all
CTRL+SHIFT+R
Forward current mail
CTRL+F
Search
CTRL+E
Or
F3
Create a new mail
CTRL+N
Or
CTRL+SHIFT+M
Add Attachment
ALT+I
Send mail
ALT+S
Or
Ctrl + Enter
Switch to Inbox
CTRL+SHIFT+I
Switch to Outbox
CTRL+SHIFT+O
Zoom in
CTRL++ (Plus key on numpad)
Zoom out
CTRL+- (Minus key on numpad)
Move between regions
F6
Toggle Caret Browsing
F7
Key commands for the Calendar app:
Accept Meeting Invitation
Alt+C
Decline Meeting Invitation
Alt+D
Tentative Meeting Invitation
Alt+N
Move to View
CTRL+SHIFT+V
Switch to the calendar in the mail app
CTRL+2

Well, I hope you get so much good out of this tutorial , and you can get a
lot out of using the mail app, people, and calendar apps. You can do a lot
with three apps. I would pin all three of them to the taskbar, and have them
all opened at the same time
Take care,
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Pauline Smith
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 10:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using Win 10's Mail App

Good Evening,

Now that I have altered the subject line, here's my question. Where can you
find instructions on using the Mail app with a screen reader? Naturally,
NVDA is the screen reader being used.

Pauline


On 10/23/2017 1:16 AM, David Moore wrote:
Beautiful, Rosemarie!
The mail app rules LOL!
I am happy for you!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 1:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi, David,

I’m now using the mail app and the reply is working great. I didn’t have to
shift tab and come back to the edit field where you’d type the reply.

Rosemarie

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: David Moore
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 7:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Good for you, Gary!
It came through loud and clear!
Let me know if you need any help with the Mail, Calendar, or People apps.
I am very relaxed tonight, and I am having fun on here.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi David,

Thanks for the info.
I am replying to this message using the mail app.

Regards, Gary kn4ox

From: David Moore
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

No, there is not!
You have to enter on the trash folder, and select all messages, and press
delete.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi David,

So, in the mail app there is no way to have the trash folder emptied when
exiting the progam like in wlm? Thanks for any help.

From: David Moore
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 7:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

I use the mail app all the time, and I do the same thing.
CTRL+R and hitting alt twice, always does the trick.
You guys are right!
Thanks for clearing that up, because I love using the mail app, but it does
have a few little kinks like that LOL!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 7:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Yes, that is what he was asking about. I'm glad I was able to clarify this
for you.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Yes, and if that is what the person was asking about, that is good
information. If I were using the app, I'd use control r, then press alt
twice, at least that's what I think I would do, not having used the program.

Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi, Gene,

In the mail app, if you try typing something after hitting control R, you
get a message that says something like "no document". You either have to
shift tab to the subject line and tab back to the edit field for replying or
hit the alt key and enter to hear the subject line.

I hope this clarifies things a little better for you.

Rosemarie

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

I know but what he said is that when he uses the command control r to reply,
he doesn't hear the command spoken. I'm saying that it doesn't matter if you
hear the command control r spoken. If he is discussing something else, what
is it? I don't use the mail app but until I hear further, I will assume that
control r is the reply short cut command because that command is so standard
in Windows e-mail programs. Is there some other problem such as that when
using the command, you don't hear something like the re subject line spoken
to tell you that the command has been executed?

Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi, Gene,

With all due respect, the person asking the question is asking about the
mail app which works a bit differently than other programs. He wasn't asking
about windows live mail or other programs.

Rosemarie

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Why is the question being asked in the first place? Unless you have NVDA set
to speak keys such as control, shift, the arrow keys, etc. you won't hear
such commands spoken at any time. You know from the response of programs
what is occurring. If the reply message opens, NVDA will say something that
will tell you that a reply message has opened. If you hear nothing or
somethin incorrect, you have issued the wrong command or the command didn't
work properly. When I issue a command that should result in something being
spoken, I don't continue until I hear the start of the speech confirming the
command. If I do, I might start writing a message before the program is
ready to receive it or take an action in another program before the program
is ready to take the action. Being excessively dependent on hearing keys
announced and basing what you do on hearing keys announced rather than the
response of Windows or the program you are working in isn't a good way to
work with Windows or programs. I don't have such keys announced, which is
the default, because it wouldn't benefit me in any way to hear them
announced. Even if I did hear them announced, I wouldn't take actions until
the program indicated that it was ready to have actions taken.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi, Gary,

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower
ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard
the keys spoken.

Hope this helps.

Rosemarie

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary
Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Thanks Rosemary.
I have a question. When using the mail app and I reply to a message using
ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken. Is this normal behavior? Thanks,

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

I got it.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary
Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

Hi All,

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

Regards, Gary kn4ox














Re: New Blog Post: The GitHub Games Pt. 0 - Background, Introduction and Series Overview

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Oh was it, well, I dare not think why in that case!

Wanders off humming to oneself...
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Blog Post: The GitHub Games Pt. 0 - Background, Introduction and Series Overview


Github is named after the version control system git, which was developed by
Linus Torvalds with a full understanding of its meaning in English.

Antony.

On Tuesday 24 October 2017 at 14:22:13, Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io wrote:

For my part, I'm wondering who would name a development platform Github.
They either had a warped sense of humour, or were not aware of the meaning
of Git in the UK English lexicon. grin.
Brian
--
Normal people think "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".
Engineers think "If it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet".

Please reply to the list;
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Re: New Blog Post: The GitHub Games Pt. 0 - Background, Introduction and Series Overview

Antony Stone
 

Github is named after the version control system git, which was developed by
Linus Torvalds with a full understanding of its meaning in English.

Antony.

On Tuesday 24 October 2017 at 14:22:13, Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io wrote:

For my part, I'm wondering who would name a development platform Github.
They either had a warped sense of humour, or were not aware of the meaning
of Git in the UK English lexicon. grin.
Brian
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Engineers think "If it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet".

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Re: safe mode

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Restart in safe mode. However as I've said before this means accessing the menu that can be made to appear by various means as the machine looks at how to boot. Normally its function key based depending on the bios.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <hfiallo@rcn.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode


After I instal it, what do I need to do?

From: Adriani Botez
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 1:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode

Here is a file which changes your registry in the way that sound driver is kept on in safe mode. It works in windows 10 and I have tested it in Windows 7 x86 and it works as well. There is also a discussion in this forum about it, it was some days ago. Several people tested it and in works.



https://www.dropbox.com/s/ebkqst6n393i6jk/Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.zip?dl=1



Best

Adriani



Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Sarah k Alawami
Gesendet: Montag, 23. Oktober 2017 19:31
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] safe mode



No. And it will never work. No audo drivers can be loaded only display drivers.



Take care





On Oct 23, 2017, at 3:39 AM, Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@rcn.com> wrote:



Does NVDA, narrator or jaws works in safe mode? Can not delete avast and the only way to uninstall it is by going to safe mode.



Holger Fiallo


Re: New Blog Post: The GitHub Games Pt. 0 - Background, Introduction and Series Overview

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

For my part, I'm wondering who would name a development platform Github. They either had a warped sense of humour, or were not aware of the meaning of Git in the UK English lexicon. grin.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 11:59 AM
Subject: [nvda] New Blog Post: The GitHub Games Pt. 0 - Background, Introduction and Series Overview


Dear all,
Ever wondered what Git, GitHub, SCM and other tools software
developers use? Are you a user of an open source GitHub-hosted
software (like the NVDA screen reader)? Have you wanted to report a
bug, suggest a feature, or notify the developers about an issue?
Here’s initiating a new multi-part tutorial series breaking down the
issue tracking features of GitHub, so that users can convey their
thoughts straight to the devs, with special emphasis on #NVDASR, with
a prologue-styled Hiking Across Horizons blog post titled “The GitHub
Games Pt. 0: Background, Introduction and Series Overview”.
Post URL: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/10/20/the-github-games-pt-0-background-introduction-and-series-overview/
Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
Comments, thoughts, suggestions and inputs are always welcome.
Thanks.

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Re: safe mode

Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@...>
 

After I instal it, what do I need to do?
 

From: Adriani Botez
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 1:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode
 

Here is a file which changes your registry in the way that sound driver is kept on in safe mode. It works in windows 10 and I have tested it in Windows 7 x86 and it works as well. There is also a discussion in this forum about it, it was some days ago. Several people tested it and in works.

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ebkqst6n393i6jk/Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.zip?dl=1

 

Best

Adriani

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Sarah k Alawami
Gesendet: Montag, 23. Oktober 2017 19:31
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] safe mode

 

No. And it will never work. No audo drivers can be loaded only display drivers.

 

Take care



On Oct 23, 2017, at 3:39 AM, Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@...> wrote:

 

Does NVDA, narrator or jaws works in safe mode? Can not delete avast and the only way to uninstall it is by going to safe mode.



Holger Fiallo

 


New Blog Post: The GitHub Games Pt. 0 - Background, Introduction and Series Overview

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,
Ever wondered what Git, GitHub, SCM and other tools software
developers use? Are you a user of an open source GitHub-hosted
software (like the NVDA screen reader)? Have you wanted to report a
bug, suggest a feature, or notify the developers about an issue?
Here’s initiating a new multi-part tutorial series breaking down the
issue tracking features of GitHub, so that users can convey their
thoughts straight to the devs, with special emphasis on #NVDASR, with
a prologue-styled Hiking Across Horizons blog post titled “The GitHub
Games Pt. 0: Background, Introduction and Series Overview”.
Post URL: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/10/20/the-github-games-pt-0-background-introduction-and-series-overview/
Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
Comments, thoughts, suggestions and inputs are always welcome.
Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Contacting Me
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125
Mobile Number: +91 7506221750


Re: people app question

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Hi David,
 
Thank you for this useful information. Thank you for all the things you do for us. 
 

From: David Moore
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 10:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] people app question
 

Hi Gary and all!

Wile in the body of a message using the Win10 Mail app, to add a contact of the sender to the people app, do the following.

Step one:

Shift tab four times from the message body.

Step two:

Press enter on the person’s name and the word from.

For example, you will hear:

David Moore from.

Press enter on that.

The people app will open with the information already there.

Just press tab twice to the save button, and press enter.

You are left in the people app, so just Alt+F4 out of that, and you go right back to the mail app where you pressed enter on the person’s name.

Just tab four times back to the message body where you started.

That is it.

Have a great one, Gary and all, and I hope this helps.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gary Metzler
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 4:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] people app question

 

Hi All,

 

I want to start using the mail app and I have a question.  Can you easily put a new contact into the people app while in an e mail message?  I am using the latest nvda and win 10.  Thanks for any help.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 

 


Re: Some suggest for future nvda

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

In order to do a repair one first needs to know what is wrong of course. This is the problem.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some suggest for future nvda


hello.
i agree completely with you about adding repair feature to nvda to not
use to uninstall when facing problem.

On 10/24/17, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi, Rapid settings I might have it don't know why but it is not on the
addons page.

On 23/10/2017 22:36, Arlene wrote:
Hi, what's the name of that addon?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michal
Rada
Sent: October-23-17 5:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some suggest for future nvda

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23. 10. 2017 v 10:51, Alexander Masic <list@masic.se>:

Hi.

Now When Jamie has change to another work, I hope there will be some
space for new thinking and redesign. Even if i really like nvda very
mutch, and you devs are doing a fantastic good jobb in general. However
there is a few things wich iritate my mutch. And most imprtant is how the
menu-system are organised. I would like to se menu scructure organized in
fleaks wich i can toggle betwean by arrow-keys. If i made an
reinstallation of NVDA then I am able to made all settings at once. As it
is today, you must do the settings in a one section, then press ok, opend
menu again and go to next and so on. This is a little old fasion.

So I hope that new leadership for nvda will also bring some new thinking.
I am also glad to se that older windows longer will not be supported.
Because this older windows is virusmashin, and by supporting them, NVDA
is also encurage spread of virus.

So i'll wish the new leader good luck, and looking forward to se little
new way thinking.












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Re: Using Win 10's Mail App

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If you have accounts saved from an xp machine you wil have them in a different form, and if you have contacts imported from an xp account you wil have them in wab form can the client import these to save lots of setting up issues, and what about sig lines as text files?

Also it seems not to do newsgroups, which I use a lot here.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Win 10's Mail App


Hi Pauline!
I wrote a text tutorial on using the Mail, Calendar, and People apps.
The instructions work with any screen reader.
I will just paste it right here in the message, so you and everyone else can read it right here in the message.
Here is my tutorial right below!
Here is the start of the tutorial.
Tutorial on Using the Mail, People, and Calendar Apps.
By
David Moore
All key commands for all three apps, Mail, People, and Calendar, are at the end of this tutorial.
Intruduction:

I will Let you know this first. When you import your email accounts into the win10 Mail app,
your contacts are automatically imported into the People app. All calendar information, is imported into the Calendar app.
So, if you want to work with your contacts, you have to do so in the people app and not the mail app. Think of it like this. Three apps work together to give you that MS outlook client experience.
The people app has all of your contacts. The mail app is where you work with and send your email messages. The Calendar app has all of your appointments and much more.
Now, while you are in the win10 mail app, you can switch to the Calendar app or the People app.
Many of the commands are the same as in WLM.
Mail for Windows 10 supports most types of email services. You can add any of these Microsoft accounts:
Exchange, Office 365, Outlook.com, Hotmail, Live.com, and MSN.com. You can also add any of these accounts:
Gmail, Yahoo Mail, iCloud, or an account with a POP or IMAP server.

Section One
Launching the Windows 10 Mail App
So, let us consider how you can launch the mail app for the first time. The way I did it, was to press the windows key or CTRL+Escape and type mail. I heard windows mail app trusted windows store app.
Now, press enter, and the mail app will open. There you go, you have launched the mail app for the first time. The first time you open Mail, you'll land on the Welcome screen. Press Enter on Get Started. Now, you are ready to start using the Win10 Mail App. If you have a Microsoft Account, your MS email account should already be imported into the mail app.

Section Two:
Putting the Mail, Calendar, and People apps on your Desktop, or pinning them to your taskbar:
Finally, let us begin to learn how to use these three apps.
You may want to pin all three apps, Mail, Calendar, and People, to your taskbar, or put them on your desktop as short cuts.
To put them as short cuts on your Desktop, press Windows key+R to open the run dialog.
just type:
shell:appsfolder
In a second, all of your apps will be in a list. Just press the first letter of the one you want until you hear, Mail, for example.
Now, press your applications key or Shift+F10.
Now, press the up arrow key once to hear:
Create short cut.
Enter on that, and you will hear:
Short cut cannot be created here, do you want to put it on the desktop instead?
Just press enter, and the Mail app will be on your Desktop.
To pen it to the taskbar, just press the Windows Key or CTRL+Escape and type Mail, for example.
When you hear Mail, just press the appllications key or Shift+F10 and arrow down to:
Pin to taskbar and press enter.
The Mail app will be on your Taskbar.
You can do the same for the Calendar and People apps.

Section Three
A Few Key Commands to get started:
Here are a few commands to use the mail app. Tab key: The tab key will get you anywhere you need to go in the mail app. Also, F6 will take you to different sections of the app. These three apps, mail, people, and calendar apps have been made so accessible, that you can use the PC cursor with JAWS. Also, no object navigation needs to be done in these three apps with NVDA. Narrator works great as well.
When you read messages with Narrator, Scan mode needs to be activated by pressing:
Caps Lock+Spacebar.
That command toggles the Scan Mode on and off with Narrator.
You only want to turn on Scan Mode to read messages.
You want it off the rest of the time. Even when you type a message, Scan Mode needs to be turnned off.
Scan Mode is just for reading.
When a message is opened with JAWS, you are put in a virtual viewer so you can use the virtual cursor, just like in a web page.
Now, to work with messages:
to send your message, press
alt+S.
To reply to a message:
press ctrl+R.
to forward a message:
press CTRL+F.
to create a new message:
press CTRL+N.
As you type the email address, choices will populate to choose from.
To insert an attachment, press Alt+I.
You can then brows for the file you want to attach.
All other key commands for all three of these apps, will be put at the end of this tutorial.

Section Four:
Importing your first account into the Mail App
Now, let us add our first account.
From the list of messages for your MS account, tab to manage accounts and press enter.
If you do not have an MS email account imported in to the Mail app, just Tab to Manage Accounts and press enter.
Next, tab to the Add account button and press enter.
You will be in a list of account types you can add. In the Choose an account dialog, use the Down Arrow key to go through the list of account types (Outlook.com, Exchange, Google, Yahoo Mail, and so
on). When you hear the name of your account type, press Enter. For example, if you want to add a Gmail account, press enter on Google. Next, Enter the email address for the account that you want to add. Now, tab to the password box, and enter your password.
Press the Tab key to move to the Sign in button and press enter.
Now, press enter again on the:
done button.
Your email account should import into the Mail app in seconds, and your emails will be in your in box from the last three months.
Now, if it does not work to import an account by choosing Google, for example, any account will import into this choice:
Go to the account choice:
other account, IMAP or POP.
Any account, Pop or IMAP, will import under this choice, even a Google account.
Only a few POP email Accounts will have to be imported by hand with all of the settings.
For most accounts, your email and password will be enough to import the account.
The last account choice, is the advanced account. Enter on this last choice if you need to enter in all of your account settings by hand.
The only reason why you need the advanced account choice is to import a few older POP 3 accounts and set them up by hand.
To import all of your accounts:
Just follow the same instructions written above.
You will need to press enter on Manage Accounts, and enter on Add account, for each account you import.
It is important that you know that your contacts for your accounts, are imported into the People app.
You can get to the People App right from the Mail app.
Also, all calendar data partaning to your accounts, is imported into the Calendar App.
This is how all three apps work together to give you the entire Email Client experience.
After you add your accounts, notice in the manage accounts menu, you will see a choice to link accounts. This means, that you could have all messages from all of your accounts go into one inbox. I would not do this. Each account should have its own inbox.
Now, let us press enter on one of the accounts that you just added and see what happens.
If you press enter on one of your accounts, there is a choice to delete the account if you decide you do not want it in the mail app anymore.
Also, if you press enter on the sync settings, you will see that your emails from three months ago will import. You can change this if you want.
Also, You can change some settings about how the emails are synced in the mail app, but I would not mess with that at all.
Now, just press escape to get out of that, and you will be back in your list of accounts. Press escape to close the manage accounts pane.
We are all done with the Manage accounts option.

Section Five:
Navigating the Maiol App with the Tab Key
Now, we have all of our accounts imported intothe Mail App.
Make sure that you are on a folder list of messages for one of your accounts.
A list of messages will be our starting point, and we will begin to tab.
Now I will Tab.
I am on my list of emails for my MS Outlook account.
Tabbing:
I hear Navigation button collapsed.
You want to press enter to hear:
Navigation button expanded.
If you do not do this, you will not see everything in the Mail app.
Tab again, and you hear:
New Mail Button.
This is what you activate by pressing the key command:
CTRL+N
You do not need this button.
Tab: and you hear:
Manage accounts.
That is where we just were when you imported and customized all of your email accounts.
Tab:
You will see a list of all of your accounts once you import them into the Mail app.
If you press enter on an account, the In Box of messages for that account will open and you are put in the inbox of messages.
Now, we will tab from your list of accounts.
You have Folders Button.
Sub Section:
Folders Button.
When you press enter on Folders Button, there is a lot you can do in here.
In this Sub Section, We will talk about all you can do after you press enter on Folders Button.
Press enter on Folders Button:
The first thing you will be on, is a virticle list of all of your folders for that email account.
You can just up and down arrow to the folder you want, and press enter.
You are then put right in the list of messages for that folder.
Instead of pressing enter on a folder, if you tab once, you can press enter on:
Create New Folder
As soon as you press enter, you have to type in the name of the new folder.
This will create a new folder for that account.
This is all in the Folders Button.
Press enter on Folders Button, again, if you are not still in that pane.
On your list of folders, you can arrow to a folder, and press:
Applications Key or Shift+F10.
You can now down arrow through the following choices:
Add to Favorites Button
Pressing Enter will put that folder on your favorites list of folders, so you do not have to keep coming into the Folders Button to find a folder.
Next choice when pressing applications Key:
, Create new subfolder Button
Pressing enter on that choice, will allow you to create a sub folder under that main folder you arrowed to.
As soon as you press enter, you have to type in the name of the sub folder, and press enter.
The third choice:
Rename Button
The fourth choice:
Delete Button
Pressing enter there wil delete the folder.
Fifth Choice:
Move Button
Sixth Choice:
Empty folder Button
Seventh and last Choice:
Pin to Start Button
To review:
When you arrow to a folder, you can press:
Applications Key or Shift+F10,
and you get a menu of seven choices listed above.
You can press enter on any of those choices to do the action that it says.
We are all done with the Folders Button.
Now, make sure that you are on the Folders Button, and we will start tabbing again.
If you tab from the Folders Button,
You are on your list of Favorite Folders I mentioned.
You can just arrow down through this list of folders that you chose to be your favorite folders.
You do not have to enter on the Folders Button to get to these.
They are right here in a list.
I have my In Box folder, Sent Folder, Trash Folder, and a Saved folder that I created, in my Favorites list.
I keep those four folders in that favorites list, so I do not have to keep pressing enter on the Folders Button to get to those Folders.
I can just tab over to this list of four folders that I use the most.
Pressing enter on one of those four folders will put me right in the list of messages for that folder.
You always get put right on the list of messages when you enter on any folder.
Now, we will tab from this favorites list, and we get:
Moore Button.
This is the exact copy of the Folders Button LOL!
Forget the More Button LOL!
Tab again:
Switch to Calendar Button:
Tab:
Switch to People Button:
Pressing enter on one of those buttons, will Open one of those apps.
You can have all three opened at the same time.
Tab:
Settings Button:

Sub Section:
We have important stuff here, if we press enter on Settings Button, so this will be another sub section, like Folders Button.
Settings Button
Press Enter on Settings Button.
Now, let us look at the settings in the mail app. There are some settings that you might want to change or work with in these groups of settings . The two groups of settings you should open are the reading and signature settings. Do not mess with the other groups of settings.
Reading Settings
There are two choices you might want to change in this settings group.
You can check or uncheck carrot browsing.
I would leave carrot browsing unchecked in the reading settings group.
Now, in this reading group, there is also a button that turns on and off conversation view.
You definitely want this button checked, because your messages will be grouped into their respective threads.
You can delete the entire thread if your messages are in conversation view.
Press enter on the back button to close the reading group.
Each group of Settings has a back button you can press enter on to get out of that group, and you are taken back to the groups of settings.
Signature Settings Group:
This is the only other group of settings where you need to do anything.
Press Enter on Signature Settings.
In here, you can add a signature, or check all accounts to have the same signature
If you check to have a signature, and press Tab, there is a signature that is there by default.
It says:
sent from mail for windows 10.
If you want to create your own signature, check the signature, and over right that default signature to add your own signature you want to appear after every message that you send.
You can have different signatures for each account, or have the same signature for all accounts by checking all accounts.
If you want no signature, you can just press Spacebar to uncheck the signature toggle.
Press the Back Button, to get out of the Signature Settings Group.
If you press:
Escape
You are back on the Settings Button, where we were tabbing across the Mail App.
That is pretty much all I would worry about in settings.
There are just a few more tabs, before we are back to the list of messages.
Tab from Settings Button:
There is a search edit box.
If you type any name, or phrase, and so on in that search box,
it will narrow down the list of email messages that have that Name or phrase in them.
This is a great way to find a particular message very quickly.
I use this a lot.
You can get right to that search box,
by pressing:
CTRL+E
You do not have to tab to that LOL!
Tab, and you have:
Sync this View Button.
If you press that, your messages will load more quickly, but they load quickly anyway for me, and I do not have to press enter on that:
sync this View button.
Tab again, and you have:
Enter Selection Mode Button.
This is important.
When you press enter on that button, you are on your list of messages in that folder, but now, there is a difference.
There is now a check box before each message that you can press spacebar on to check that message. You can check as many messages as you want.
Now, if you shift tab twice, you are back to where the:
Enter sellection Mode Button was.
Now, there is a check box there that says, Select all, check box not checked.
you can press spacebar to check all of your messages. You have to tab twice to get back to the list of messages, but now, they are all checked.
After you check messages, you can press the:
applications Key or Shift+F10
and you will have the following choices:
Archive, Delete, Move, and a few less important choices in that context menu.
If you press enter on delete, all messages that are selected will be deleted. If you press enter on move, your list of all folders come up, and you can move your selected messages to another folder.
Just press enter on the folder, and the selected messages are moved to that folder.

Section Six:
Working with your messages:
Now, we can start working with with our email messages for what ever account you pick from the list of accounts. All the accounts will be in a virticle list, and you just press enter on what ever account you want to work with, and you will be placed in the inbox and the messages will load.
Here we go LOL!
Let us arrow through the messages in the inbox and read some of our messages.
Just enter on the message you want to open. To read messages with NVDA, you must be in brows mode.
When you type a message, you must be in focus mode.
The only time you want to be in Brows Mode, is to read the messages. To attach a file to the message, for example, you want to be in Focus mode with NVDA.
With Narrator, you want to be in scan mode to read messages.
To do everything else, even type a message, you need to turn off scan mode. Narrator works very well with the mail app.
Now, with JAWS, you are put in a virtual environment just like on the Internet. The virtual PC cursor, will allow you to select and copy information that is right in the message.
when you are done reading that message, just press escape to get out of the message and back to the list of messages
You do not have to do anything with JAWS to do all that you want to do in the mail app, even type a message.
Now, let me give you some important key commands right here.
tab gets you anywhere in the mail app you want to be. Tabbing will get you to the list of your accounts, and the folders button, that you enter on to get a full list of folders for that account. When you are on the list of folders, tab to the more button and press enter to do more with your folders, like create a new folder. To create a sub folder for a particular folder Tab to the more button again, and press enter. Down arrow to creat a sub folder. and arrow to which folder you want to create the sub folder for and tab to create, and press enter. . Now, you can type the name of the sub folder you want, and press enter. That is how you create a sub folder of a folder that is already there. When you are on a message in the list, you can press the applications key or shift+F10 and get choices of what you can do with that message. One of these choices is move. If you enter on move, you will get a list of folders you can move that message to. I created a folder called saved messages. So when I want to save a message, I just move the message to my saved messages folder. If you press delete, the message goes in the trash folder. To send a message, press ctrl+N. You are put in the to: edit box. Just type in the email, tab to subject, and tab to write your message. To send a message, press Alt+S, and you are back on the list of messages in your inbox. After you open a message and read it, you can reply to it by pressing CTRL+R. Just type your message, and press alt+S to send your reply. You will be in the list of messages, and just press the delete key to delete that message. To forward a message, just press ctrl+F. To spell check your message before sending, just press F7.
Tabs on the ribbon of the mail app:
Here we go with the ribbon. When you are in a message, three tabs show up on the ribbon. Just press the alt key to get to the ribbon. The first tab you will hear is the format tab. Right arrow to the insert tab, and right arrow again to the third and last tab, the options tab. Now, if you press alt a second time while you are still in the mail app, you will be on the tab that you were last working with. If you were working with the options tab lastly, the options tab will show up, and you will have to left arrow to get back to insert and format. You do wrap around in a circle with a couple of other choices in there as you wrap. On any of these tabs, just press the down arrow to get to all of the choices for that tab. Then, press tab to tab through all of the choices. For example, to insert an attachment into an email, press the alt key, and arrow to the insert tab. Then, press the down arrow, and you are right on the files choice. It will not say attach, this is very important. Pressing down arrow on the insert tab, allows you to insert different things into your email. Remember, you can just press:
Alt+I to attach a file.
To attach anything else, you must go to the insert tab on the ribbon. The ribbon is not important, unless you want to insert different things into the email, or if you want to format the email.
Other choices to insert, are table, link, and so on. These are different things that you can insert in your email. Press enter on files, and you can brows your computer to find a file to insert or attach, and press enter on the open button. Now, you are put back on your message you are composing. If you press Shift+tab one time, you will be on your file that you attached to your email. That is how people will find your attachments. They will just shift tab to hear all of the files you inserted or attached to your email. Now, Use Shift+Tab again to move focus to the subject line, and press Shift+Tab again to hear the sender’s name. In other words, when you are in a message, press Shift+tab to hear all of the information like the subject, the sender, the time and date, and so on. There are not key commands to read this information to you like in other clients. When you finish reading the message, press the Escape key to return to the message list. That is the key. If you just press escape, you go back to your list of messages. If you press delete on a message in the list, it goes to the trash folder right away. Now, if you select some text in your email, just press alt, and arrow to the format tab, and press down arrow to the format choices if you want to format your email. just tab through the choices. There are many, you can do about anything here to format your email text. For example, if you down arrow on the format tab, there will be choices to bold, underline, and to do other things to the text that you select in your email that you are composing. Now, for the options tab, the third and last tab, you will not need to use, but feel free to check out the options. The option for Spell Checking, is the same as pressing F7 in your message. Now, here is the thing about spell checking in the mail app. You can go to the win10 settings app, by pressing windows+I to have win10 correct much of your spelling as you type. This only works though, in a win10 app. The mail app qualifies for that. So, in settings, arrow to the devices group and press enter. Then, go to the type choice and press enter. Check two check boxes. The first says something like correct spelling, and the second one says something like high light words that are misspelled. Check those two check boxes and press enter. Now, when you are in the mail app, most of the words will be automatically corrected as you type them. However, this feature will not correct all misspelled words. This is where you press F7 to do a total spell check. Important: There is not a way to have the mail app spell check every message automatically when you send it like with WLM. You definitely have to spell check every message that you compose before you send it just like with each document in Word.
Well, we have covered everything with the mail app itself.
Now, I will show you quickly how to use the people app and calendar app, and then you can use all three apps together as one email client.
People app:
Launch the People app, and tab a few times. You will tab by a new button, where you can manually enter the information for a new contact. If you tab passed the new button, you will come to a list of contacts. You cannot use first letter navigation to jump to a certain contact, but here is what you can do. Tab one more time, and you will be in a list of letters of the alphabet. Again, you cannot use first letter navigation, like you can now use in the all apps. Just arrow down to the letter you want, and shift+tab back to the list of contact starting with that letter. Find the name you want, and tab a few more times. There will be an edit where you can edit the contact's information. Tab passed that, and you will come to profile. Tab one more time, and you will be on their email. To copy that email, you have to press the applications key, or shift+F10, and press enter on copy. You will then have that person's email copied to the clip board. You can go to the mail app, and paste that into the to: edit box to send them an email. That is it with the people app. Remember, your contacts are imported into the people app. As you type an email into the mail app, the populated choices come from the people app.
Calendar app:
Launch the calendar app, and press alt+ctrl+4 to get into month view. You are put on a grid of days of the week. You will land on to day. It will say the date as well. For example, you will hear Friday, October 28. You also hear how many events are linked with that day, like birthday's of your contacts and so on. Tab to each event, and press enter on the event to get the details of the event. If you shift+tab, you will go back to the day of those events. If you press right and left arrow, you will go forward a day or back a day. Up arrow takes you a week before from that day, and downarrow takes you a week ahead of that day. If you want to schedule an event for a certain day, just press enter on that day, and a dialog will come up for you to enter all of the information for the appointment or event, and there is an okay or done button. There you go! That is how you read days, the events for those days, and how to schedule an event for that day. That is about it for the calendar app.

Here are many keyboard shortcuts to use all three apps:
Account Manual Sync (Send and retrieve new mail)
CTRL+M
Or
F9
Mark as read
CTRL+Q
Mark as unread
CTRL+U
Toggle the important property on a conversation
CTRL+SHIFT+G
Delete a conversation
CTRL+D
Or
DEL
Archive a conversation
BACKSPACE
Reply to current mail
CTRL+R
Reply all
CTRL+SHIFT+R
Forward current mail
CTRL+F
Search
CTRL+E
Or
F3
Create a new mail
CTRL+N
Or
CTRL+SHIFT+M
Add Attachment
ALT+I
Send mail
ALT+S
Or
Ctrl + Enter
Switch to Inbox
CTRL+SHIFT+I
Switch to Outbox
CTRL+SHIFT+O
Zoom in
CTRL++ (Plus key on numpad)
Zoom out
CTRL+- (Minus key on numpad)
Move between regions
F6
Toggle Caret Browsing
F7
Key commands for the Calendar app:
Accept Meeting Invitation
Alt+C
Decline Meeting Invitation
Alt+D
Tentative Meeting Invitation
Alt+N
Move to View
CTRL+SHIFT+V
Switch to the calendar in the mail app
CTRL+2

Well, I hope you get so much good out of this tutorial , and you can get a lot out of using the mail app, people, and calendar apps. You can do a lot with three apps. I would pin all three of them to the taskbar, and have them all opened at the same time
Take care,
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Pauline Smith
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 10:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using Win 10's Mail App

Good Evening,

Now that I have altered the subject line, here's my question. Where can you find instructions on using the Mail app with a screen reader? Naturally, NVDA is the screen reader being used.

Pauline


On 10/23/2017 1:16 AM, David Moore wrote:
Beautiful, Rosemarie!
The mail app rules LOL!
I am happy for you!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 1:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi, David,

I’m now using the mail app and the reply is working great. I didn’t have to shift tab and come back to the edit field where you’d type the reply.

Rosemarie

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: David Moore
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 7:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Good for you, Gary!
It came through loud and clear!
Let me know if you need any help with the Mail, Calendar, or People apps.
I am very relaxed tonight, and I am having fun on here.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi David,

Thanks for the info.
I am replying to this message using the mail app.

Regards, Gary kn4ox

From: David Moore
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

No, there is not!
You have to enter on the trash folder, and select all messages, and press delete.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi David,

So, in the mail app there is no way to have the trash folder emptied when exiting the progam like in wlm? Thanks for any help.

From: David Moore
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 7:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

I use the mail app all the time, and I do the same thing.
CTRL+R and hitting alt twice, always does the trick.
You guys are right!
Thanks for clearing that up, because I love using the mail app, but it does have a few little kinks like that LOL!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 7:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Yes, that is what he was asking about. I'm glad I was able to clarify this for you.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Yes, and if that is what the person was asking about, that is good information. If I were using the app, I'd use control r, then press alt twice, at least that's what I think I would do, not having used the program.

Gene
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From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi, Gene,

In the mail app, if you try typing something after hitting control R, you get a message that says something like "no document". You either have to shift tab to the subject line and tab back to the edit field for replying or hit the alt key and enter to hear the subject line.

I hope this clarifies things a little better for you.

Rosemarie

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

I know but what he said is that when he uses the command control r to reply, he doesn't hear the command spoken. I'm saying that it doesn't matter if you hear the command control r spoken. If he is discussing something else, what is it? I don't use the mail app but until I hear further, I will assume that control r is the reply short cut command because that command is so standard in Windows e-mail programs. Is there some other problem such as that when using the command, you don't hear something like the re subject line spoken to tell you that the command has been executed?

Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi, Gene,

With all due respect, the person asking the question is asking about the mail app which works a bit differently than other programs. He wasn't asking about windows live mail or other programs.

Rosemarie

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Why is the question being asked in the first place? Unless you have NVDA set to speak keys such as control, shift, the arrow keys, etc. you won't hear such commands spoken at any time. You know from the response of programs what is occurring. If the reply message opens, NVDA will say something that will tell you that a reply message has opened. If you hear nothing or somethin incorrect, you have issued the wrong command or the command didn't work properly. When I issue a command that should result in something being spoken, I don't continue until I hear the start of the speech confirming the command. If I do, I might start writing a message before the program is ready to receive it or take an action in another program before the program is ready to take the action. Being excessively dependent on hearing keys announced and basing what you do on hearing keys announced rather than the response of Windows or the program you are working in isn't a good way to work with Windows or programs. I don't have such keys announced, which is the default, because it wouldn't benefit me in any way to hear them announced. Even if I did hear them announced, I wouldn't take actions until the program indicated that it was ready to have actions taken.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi, Gary,

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

Hope this helps.

Rosemarie

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Thanks Rosemary.
I have a question. When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken. Is this normal behavior? Thanks,

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

I got it.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

Hi All,

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

Regards, Gary kn4ox