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Re: Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I thought that was only for jaws users? as where the message came into my inbox referred to it.


That was why i was asking the question. I just downloaded the beta version on this machine but is a quad core and will also try it on a duel core to see how well or not nvda goes with it. I am guessing our developers might be ahead with the work on it.


I will also sus out the link as well.


Gene nz



On 10/26/2017 3:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox Quantum due to be released on November 14th.  It is advised that the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your current personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it from automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox Quantum, as far as ScreenReader usability goes.  Go here to download FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as this version won't be updated until June of next year, by which time, it is hoped that the personal edition of Firefox and ScreenReader usability will be resolved.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/

Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus Operating Systems,  and arrow down to the appropriate language and OS of your choice.  Unfortunately, the navigation of this table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find what you need.  Cheers!


On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think it's a few months from now.  but you don't have to upgrade and remain upgraded.  You can upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using now.  Then, since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again later if you wish.  I don't know the details of how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things to get everything back as it was.  Just because the free upgrade is going away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything.  How old is your machine?  How likely is it that it will still be working when support ends for whatever version of Windows you are running now?  How old are your peripherals such as printer and scanner?  Are there Windows 10 drivers for them?  The free upgrade might not be so free.
 
Is there anything in Windows 10 you want? 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Hi guys


I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.


I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.


And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.


It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.


So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.


There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/

Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.


Gene nz


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

 

Hi all,

Well, the tests ended so fast…

 

The following is a community-based advisory that is mandatory for you all to listen up and follow:

 

If Firefox 57 is set to prevent accessibility services, you won’t be able to use Firefox at all. The following NVDA features will fail:

 

  • Browse mode and focus mode
  • Web browser features such as elements list and first letter navigation commands
  • Object navigation and review modes
  • OCR functionality

 

ADVISORY: when Firefox 57 lands, DO NOT check “prevent accessibility services” checkbox in Firefox options. By default, this checkbox is unchecked.

 

Technical: NVDA uses mixture of code injection and accessibility API routines to access Firefox. However, when accessibility services are turned off, Firefox enters a mode where the UI and browse mode functionality will not work with screen readers. This means no announcements regarding menu bar, no toolbar navigation feedback, no feedback when you type into address bar, no browse mode and so on. The only way to restore it so far is disabling the checkbox described above until NVDA finds a way to interact with Firefox Quantum.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Gene
 

It's the ESR, extended release version.  it receives security updates for two years after its release.  At that time, another extended release version is released.  the purpose is for businesses and organizations that use firefox in their networks and need a stable, unchanging version for long periods.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Hi again Group,


I noticed that this is Firefox 52--a full 5 versions behind the 57 version due to be released in November.  Is this at all safe?



On 10/25/2017 10:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox Quantum due to be released on November 14th.  It is advised that the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your current personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it from automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox Quantum, as far as ScreenReader usability goes.  Go here to download FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as this version won't be updated until June of next year, by which time, it is hoped that the personal edition of Firefox and ScreenReader usability will be resolved.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/

Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus Operating Systems,  and arrow down to the appropriate language and OS of your choice.  Unfortunately, the navigation of this table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find what you need.  Cheers!


On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think it's a few months from now.  but you don't have to upgrade and remain upgraded.  You can upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using now.  Then, since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again later if you wish.  I don't know the details of how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things to get everything back as it was.  Just because the free upgrade is going away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything.  How old is your machine?  How likely is it that it will still be working when support ends for whatever version of Windows you are running now?  How old are your peripherals such as printer and scanner?  Are there Windows 10 drivers for them?  The free upgrade might not be so free.
 
Is there anything in Windows 10 you want? 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Hi guys


I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.


I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.


And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.


It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.


So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.


There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/

Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.


Gene nz


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

 

Hi everyone,

I’m about to install 57 beta on one of my computers to find out what’s up. I should have something to report by Friday at the earliest.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Mendoza
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 8:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

 

Just let to wait until it is release in November, then let see what it goes

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 10:52 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,

 

I thought 57 was supposed to solve accessibility issues--not create more.  Back when 56 was released, some people were talking about an issue where the place was not kept when moving back and forth between web pages and/or tabs.  On another list, I saw that this was to be fixed in version 57.  Now what's all this stuff about a totally new design that breaks screen accessibility?

 

On 10/25/2017 10:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox Quantum due to be released on November 14th.  It is advised that the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your current personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it from automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox Quantum, as far as ScreenReader usability goes.  Go here to download FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as this version won't be updated until June of next year, by which time, it is hoped that the personal edition of Firefox and ScreenReader usability will be resolved.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/

Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus Operating Systems,  and arrow down to the appropriate language and OS of your choice.  Unfortunately, the navigation of this table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find what you need.  Cheers!

 

On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:

The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think it's a few months from now.  but you don't have to upgrade and remain upgraded.  You can upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using now.  Then, since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again later if you wish.  I don't know the details of how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things to get everything back as it was.  Just because the free upgrade is going away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything.  How old is your machine?  How likely is it that it will still be working when support ends for whatever version of Windows you are running now?  How old are your peripherals such as printer and scanner?  Are there Windows 10 drivers for them?  The free upgrade might not be so free.

 

Is there anything in Windows 10 you want? 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM

Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

 

Hi guys

 

I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.

 

I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.

 

And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.

 

It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.

 

So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.

 

There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/

Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.

 

Gene nz

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

 



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They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

 


Re: Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Robert Mendoza
 

Just let to wait until it is release in November, then let see what it goes

Robert Mendoza
On 10/26/2017 10:52 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


I thought 57 was supposed to solve accessibility issues--not create more.  Back when 56 was released, some people were talking about an issue where the place was not kept when moving back and forth between web pages and/or tabs.  On another list, I saw that this was to be fixed in version 57.  Now what's all this stuff about a totally new design that breaks screen accessibility?


On 10/25/2017 10:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox Quantum due to be released on November 14th.  It is advised that the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your current personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it from automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox Quantum, as far as ScreenReader usability goes.  Go here to download FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as this version won't be updated until June of next year, by which time, it is hoped that the personal edition of Firefox and ScreenReader usability will be resolved.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/

Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus Operating Systems,  and arrow down to the appropriate language and OS of your choice.  Unfortunately, the navigation of this table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find what you need.  Cheers!


On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think it's a few months from now.  but you don't have to upgrade and remain upgraded.  You can upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using now.  Then, since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again later if you wish.  I don't know the details of how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things to get everything back as it was.  Just because the free upgrade is going away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything.  How old is your machine?  How likely is it that it will still be working when support ends for whatever version of Windows you are running now?  How old are your peripherals such as printer and scanner?  Are there Windows 10 drivers for them?  The free upgrade might not be so free.
 
Is there anything in Windows 10 you want? 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Hi guys


I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.


I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.


And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.


It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.


So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.


There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/

Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.


Gene nz


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi again Group,


I noticed that this is Firefox 52--a full 5 versions behind the 57 version due to be released in November.  Is this at all safe?



On 10/25/2017 10:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox Quantum due to be released on November 14th.  It is advised that the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your current personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it from automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox Quantum, as far as ScreenReader usability goes.  Go here to download FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as this version won't be updated until June of next year, by which time, it is hoped that the personal edition of Firefox and ScreenReader usability will be resolved.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/

Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus Operating Systems,  and arrow down to the appropriate language and OS of your choice.  Unfortunately, the navigation of this table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find what you need.  Cheers!


On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think it's a few months from now.  but you don't have to upgrade and remain upgraded.  You can upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using now.  Then, since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again later if you wish.  I don't know the details of how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things to get everything back as it was.  Just because the free upgrade is going away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything.  How old is your machine?  How likely is it that it will still be working when support ends for whatever version of Windows you are running now?  How old are your peripherals such as printer and scanner?  Are there Windows 10 drivers for them?  The free upgrade might not be so free.
 
Is there anything in Windows 10 you want? 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Hi guys


I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.


I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.


And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.


It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.


So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.


There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/

Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.


Gene nz


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


I thought 57 was supposed to solve accessibility issues--not create more.  Back when 56 was released, some people were talking about an issue where the place was not kept when moving back and forth between web pages and/or tabs.  On another list, I saw that this was to be fixed in version 57.  Now what's all this stuff about a totally new design that breaks screen accessibility?


On 10/25/2017 10:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox Quantum due to be released on November 14th.  It is advised that the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your current personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it from automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox Quantum, as far as ScreenReader usability goes.  Go here to download FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as this version won't be updated until June of next year, by which time, it is hoped that the personal edition of Firefox and ScreenReader usability will be resolved.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/

Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus Operating Systems,  and arrow down to the appropriate language and OS of your choice.  Unfortunately, the navigation of this table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find what you need.  Cheers!


On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think it's a few months from now.  but you don't have to upgrade and remain upgraded.  You can upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using now.  Then, since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again later if you wish.  I don't know the details of how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things to get everything back as it was.  Just because the free upgrade is going away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything.  How old is your machine?  How likely is it that it will still be working when support ends for whatever version of Windows you are running now?  How old are your peripherals such as printer and scanner?  Are there Windows 10 drivers for them?  The free upgrade might not be so free.
 
Is there anything in Windows 10 you want? 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Hi guys


I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.


I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.


And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.


It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.


So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.


There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/

Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.


Gene nz


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


Assuming that you have attempted to create the filters by clicking tools/filters/new, be advised that the select a folder aspect is a bit kinky with screen readers.  You must treat that list box like a combo box using alt + down arrow to open the folder list and once selecting the right folder to filter messages into, press either enter or alt + up arrow to close the box and select the folder.


Everyone who is new to Thunderbird (including me) seems to run across this and it is temporarily confusing until you figure out what is going on.



On 10/25/2017 7:25 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I tried but it didn't work. I selected the rule and tabbed to the run now button and hit enter but it didn't work. This isn't working out.




On 10/25/2017 4:20 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Thanks.


I'll give it another shot.




On 10/25/2017 4:17 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

HI, Rosemary

Under the Tool in the main menu select Message Filters. Then, you will prompted of the list of filtered folders you've created. You need to double check and uncheck the Manual Run.

Robert Mendoza
On 10/26/2017 7:09 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Robert,


I already did all that. Some other messages from the other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else to do.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of the thread. About your concern for filtering particular message into your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your focus is located to the message that is not open yet, then tab several times till the focus is directed in the recipient column. Right click then select Create Filter From. The rest of the filters process is the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by manually so that it will run automatically into your corresponding filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza
On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the filters but there are messages till coming into the inbox from other lists. How do you run a filter on a message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie



On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in the combo box, tell it to match nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow and expand them. Just pick whatever you like, I move mine to a folder called nvda that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new menu in the file menu, do that before you do a filter if you want to move stuff, because the folder has to exist for you to pick it. If you want the folder in the main account, i.e. another folder like inbox, before you make the folder, highlight your account name with the arrows. If you want everything under your inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to expand folders, highlight your inbox. The difference is that if you highlight the account, you can down arrow, so you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox usually starts collapsed and you have to hit right arrow to expand it, then you hit down arrow to get to those folders, you'll go through whatever you made, then you'll get back to sent, trash, whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask questions.


On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird or do you just delete them after reading or replying to them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit clunky.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs have always been weird though. I used to use Outlook, the one that came in Office. Then I had to upgrade or migrate machines or whatever. So I exported mail and everything just like you're supposed to. Got everything installed, imported into the new Outlook. Suddenly none of my filtering rules to send messages to specific folders would work. So I literally deleted them all and recreated them from scratch, and they still wouldn't work. That's when I switched to Thunderbird and I've been using it ever since.





















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Re: Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox Quantum due to be released on November 14th.  It is advised that the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your current personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it from automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox Quantum, as far as ScreenReader usability goes.  Go here to download FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as this version won't be updated until June of next year, by which time, it is hoped that the personal edition of Firefox and ScreenReader usability will be resolved.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/

Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus Operating Systems,  and arrow down to the appropriate language and OS of your choice.  Unfortunately, the navigation of this table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find what you need.  Cheers!


On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think it's a few months from now.  but you don't have to upgrade and remain upgraded.  You can upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using now.  Then, since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again later if you wish.  I don't know the details of how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things to get everything back as it was.  Just because the free upgrade is going away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything.  How old is your machine?  How likely is it that it will still be working when support ends for whatever version of Windows you are running now?  How old are your peripherals such as printer and scanner?  Are there Windows 10 drivers for them?  The free upgrade might not be so free.
 
Is there anything in Windows 10 you want? 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Hi guys


I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.


I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.


And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.


It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.


So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.


There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/

Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.


Gene nz


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Gene
 

The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think it's a few months from now.  but you don't have to upgrade and remain upgraded.  You can upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using now.  Then, since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again later if you wish.  I don't know the details of how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things to get everything back as it was.  Just because the free upgrade is going away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything.  How old is your machine?  How likely is it that it will still be working when support ends for whatever version of Windows you are running now?  How old are your peripherals such as printer and scanner?  Are there Windows 10 drivers for them?  The free upgrade might not be so free.
 
Is there anything in Windows 10 you want? 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Hi guys


I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.


I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.


And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.


It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.


So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.


There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/

Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.


Gene nz


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Gene
 

In lists, the from line usually shows the actual senders name.  The to line shows the lists name and address.  Many lists have the list name in the subject line.  But the from line isn't the way to sort mail in most lists.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: John Isige
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

If some messages aren't getting filtered, then I suspect your rules have
a problem. Another thing that can happen is that sometimes people will
send messages to somebody else and a list, and then if you've filtered
on from: for the list address, for example, those messages will show up
in your inbox because the from: is to the other person. You'd probably
need to create another rule to catch that, if you can find a pattern.


Every once in a while I'll get messages from a list showing up in my
inbox, but usually if you filter on the from: field and use a
significant part of the address, it'll work. For example, I had a filter
set up for the old NVDA list, and I filtered on nvda in the from: field.
When I subscribed to the new list here, the messages started getting
filtered into my nvda folder again.


If you can't figure this out yourself then yeah, I'd probably suggest
skyping, or maybe skyping combined with somebody using NVDA Remote into
your machine so they can look at exactly what's going on and ask
questions if necessary. It depends on how technically-minded you are
though. But the first thing I'd do is check what you're filtering on for
whatever list. Then if you have a message that goes to the folder, and
one that goes to the inbox but shouldn't, check the headers and such,
check what you're filtering on, and try to find out what's different
about it. Because something probably is.


On 10/25/2017 19:15, Gene wrote:
> Didn't you have the same problem months ago.  You should get help by
> phone or by Skipe or with someone working with you in realtime in some
> way.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:25 PM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>
> I tried but it didn't work. I selected the rule and tabbed to the run
> now button and hit enter but it didn't work. This isn't working out.
>
>
>
>
> On 10/25/2017 4:20 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> I'll give it another shot.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/25/2017 4:17 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
>>>
>>> HI, Rosemary
>>>
>>> Under the Tool in the main menu select Message Filters. Then, you
>>> will prompted of the list of filtered folders you've created. You
>>> need to double check and uncheck the Manual Run.
>>>
>>> Robert Mendoza
>>> On 10/26/2017 7:09 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi, Robert,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I already did all that. Some other messages from the other lists
>>>> are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else to do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rosemarie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of the
>>>>> thread. About your concern for filtering particular message into
>>>>> your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your focus
>>>>> is located to the message that is not open yet, then tab several
>>>>> times till the focus is directed in the recipient column. Right
>>>>> click then select Create Filter From. The rest of the filters
>>>>> process is the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make sure
>>>>> you uncheck the filter by manually so that it will run
>>>>> automatically into your corresponding filtered of your choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert Mendoza
>>>>> On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>> Hi, John,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that comes into
>>>>>> the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the filters but there are
>>>>>> messages till coming into the inbox from other lists. How do you
>>>>>> run a filter on a message?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rosemarie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
>>>>>>> 1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Tab to the new button.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in the combo box,
>>>>>>> tell it to match nvda.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably be easiest to
>>>>>>> hit alt-down arrow and expand them. Just pick whatever you like,
>>>>>>> I move mine to a folder called nvda that I made.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new menu in the
>>>>>>> file menu, do that before you do a filter if you want to move
>>>>>>> stuff, because the folder has to exist for you to pick it. If
>>>>>>> you want the folder in the main account, i.e. another folder
>>>>>>> like inbox, before you make the folder, highlight your account
>>>>>>> name with the arrows. If you want everything under your inbox,
>>>>>>> so you have to hit right arrow to expand folders, highlight your
>>>>>>> inbox. The difference is that if you highlight the account, you
>>>>>>> can down arrow, so you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash,
>>>>>>> whatever. If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox usually
>>>>>>> starts collapsed and you have to hit right arrow to expand it,
>>>>>>> then you hit down arrow to get to those folders, you'll go
>>>>>>> through whatever you made, then you'll get back to sent, trash,
>>>>>>> whatever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask questions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi, John,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How do you create filters in thunderbird or do you just delete
>>>>>>>> them after reading or replying to them? Outlook is ok but It's
>>>>>>>> a bit clunky.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rosemarie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft's various mail programs have always been weird
>>>>>>>>> though. I used to use Outlook, the one that came in Office.
>>>>>>>>> Then I had to upgrade or migrate machines or whatever. So I
>>>>>>>>> exported mail and everything just like you're supposed to. Got
>>>>>>>>> everything installed, imported into the new Outlook. Suddenly
>>>>>>>>> none of my filtering rules to send messages to specific
>>>>>>>>> folders would work. So I literally deleted them all and
>>>>>>>>> recreated them from scratch, and they still wouldn't work.
>>>>>>>>> That's when I switched to Thunderbird and I've been using it
>>>>>>>>> ever since.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>





Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi guys


I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.


I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.


And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.


It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.


So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.


There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/

Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.


Gene nz


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Using Thunderbird filters

John Isige
 

If some messages aren't getting filtered, then I suspect your rules have
a problem. Another thing that can happen is that sometimes people will
send messages to somebody else and a list, and then if you've filtered
on from: for the list address, for example, those messages will show up
in your inbox because the from: is to the other person. You'd probably
need to create another rule to catch that, if you can find a pattern.


Every once in a while I'll get messages from a list showing up in my
inbox, but usually if you filter on the from: field and use a
significant part of the address, it'll work. For example, I had a filter
set up for the old NVDA list, and I filtered on nvda in the from: field.
When I subscribed to the new list here, the messages started getting
filtered into my nvda folder again.


If you can't figure this out yourself then yeah, I'd probably suggest
skyping, or maybe skyping combined with somebody using NVDA Remote into
your machine so they can look at exactly what's going on and ask
questions if necessary. It depends on how technically-minded you are
though. But the first thing I'd do is check what you're filtering on for
whatever list. Then if you have a message that goes to the folder, and
one that goes to the inbox but shouldn't, check the headers and such,
check what you're filtering on, and try to find out what's different
about it. Because something probably is.

On 10/25/2017 19:15, Gene wrote:
Didn't you have the same problem months ago.  You should get help by
phone or by Skipe or with someone working with you in realtime in some
way.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

*From:* Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:25 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I tried but it didn't work. I selected the rule and tabbed to the run
now button and hit enter but it didn't work. This isn't working out.




On 10/25/2017 4:20 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Thanks.


I'll give it another shot.




On 10/25/2017 4:17 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

HI, Rosemary

Under the Tool in the main menu select Message Filters. Then, you
will prompted of the list of filtered folders you've created. You
need to double check and uncheck the Manual Run.

Robert Mendoza
On 10/26/2017 7:09 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Robert,


I already did all that. Some other messages from the other lists
are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else to do.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of the
thread. About your concern for filtering particular message into
your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your focus
is located to the message that is not open yet, then tab several
times till the focus is directed in the recipient column. Right
click then select Create Filter From. The rest of the filters
process is the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make sure
you uncheck the filter by manually so that it will run
automatically into your corresponding filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza
On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that comes into
the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the filters but there are
messages till coming into the inbox from other lists. How do you
run a filter on a message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie



On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in the combo box,
tell it to match nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably be easiest to
hit alt-down arrow and expand them. Just pick whatever you like,
I move mine to a folder called nvda that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new menu in the
file menu, do that before you do a filter if you want to move
stuff, because the folder has to exist for you to pick it. If
you want the folder in the main account, i.e. another folder
like inbox, before you make the folder, highlight your account
name with the arrows. If you want everything under your inbox,
so you have to hit right arrow to expand folders, highlight your
inbox. The difference is that if you highlight the account, you
can down arrow, so you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash,
whatever. If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox usually
starts collapsed and you have to hit right arrow to expand it,
then you hit down arrow to get to those folders, you'll go
through whatever you made, then you'll get back to sent, trash,
whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask questions.


On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird or do you just delete
them after reading or replying to them? Outlook is ok but It's
a bit clunky.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs have always been weird
though. I used to use Outlook, the one that came in Office.
Then I had to upgrade or migrate machines or whatever. So I
exported mail and everything just like you're supposed to. Got
everything installed, imported into the new Outlook. Suddenly
none of my filtering rules to send messages to specific
folders would work. So I literally deleted them all and
recreated them from scratch, and they still wouldn't work.
That's when I switched to Thunderbird and I've been using it
ever since.









Re: Web radio programs

Gene
 

It's
 
Gene
----- original Message -----

From: larry k
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web radio programs

what is the url for the bill sparks site?
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 17:08
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web radio programs
 
I'm not sure what you are asking.  On the Bill Sparks site, you can get the stream if you are using firefox or Chrome.  Internet Explorer may not have this feature. 
Find the link for the radio station. 
Open the context menu. 
Down arrow to something like copy link or copy link location or something similar. 
Press enter and the location will be placed on the clipboard. 
For your purposes, this won't work on a site that uses Flash but the Bill Sparks site doesn't.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: larry k
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web radio programs
 
gene, do you know how to pull an internet stream address off a page using sourse code or can you recommend a tool to do that ?
 
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 14:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web radio programs
 
The site is only for European stations.  Following the link presents some station links and then some text stating that the site lists European stations.
 
A site with stations from around the world is
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony James
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web radio programs
 
Hi David, I went to the site and all I saw with both ie and firefox
was a link for Europe.  when I attempt to arrow down past this all
nvda says is blank.

On 10/25/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
> Be aware at any one time many stations simply do not work as stations are
> always changing their streaming company and protocol or restricting access
> due to copyright issues. To really get some stations it can be quite complex
>
> involving vpns and all sorts. Why anything simple has to end up so
> complicated is anybodys guess.
>  Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 1:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Web radio programs
>
>
>
> Not a program but a web site.
> Mike’s Radio Website.
> Once you have found a station you want – focus on the link to play and the
> then bring up the context menu and select save target or whatever your
> browser says.
> The resulting m3u or PLS file will be downloaded ready for you to transfer
> across to your player.
> http://www.mikesradioworld.com/
>
> I have also a large folder of streams – hundreds of them but many will not
> work now as they go offline , but many will. I can provide a sendspace link
>
> for this if you want.
> David Griffith
> Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
> My Blind hammer Blog
> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
>
> From: Tony James
> Sent: 25 October 2017 09:22
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Web radio programs
>
> Hi everybody, i’m wondering if someone could share with me the name of a
> accessible program for finding web radio stations that will run under win7.
>
> I have a Book port plus which is capable of playing web radio stations, but
>
> first I need to get them on the card. The bpp supports m3u, PLS, and aSX
> stations. Thx
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Web radio programs

larry k <sir-laurence@...>
 

what is the url for the bill sparks site?
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 17:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web radio programs
 
I'm not sure what you are asking.  On the Bill Sparks site, you can get the stream if you are using firefox or Chrome.  Internet Explorer may not have this feature. 
Find the link for the radio station. 
Open the context menu. 
Down arrow to something like copy link or copy link location or something similar. 
Press enter and the location will be placed on the clipboard. 
For your purposes, this won't work on a site that uses Flash but the Bill Sparks site doesn't.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: larry k
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web radio programs
 
gene, do you know how to pull an internet stream address off a page using sourse code or can you recommend a tool to do that ?
 
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 14:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web radio programs
 
The site is only for European stations.  Following the link presents some station links and then some text stating that the site lists European stations.
 
A site with stations from around the world is
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony James
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web radio programs
 
Hi David, I went to the site and all I saw with both ie and firefox
was a link for Europe.  when I attempt to arrow down past this all
nvda says is blank.

On 10/25/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
> Be aware at any one time many stations simply do not work as stations are
> always changing their streaming company and protocol or restricting access
> due to copyright issues. To really get some stations it can be quite complex
>
> involving vpns and all sorts. Why anything simple has to end up so
> complicated is anybodys guess.
>  Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 1:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Web radio programs
>
>
>
> Not a program but a web site.
> Mike’s Radio Website.
> Once you have found a station you want – focus on the link to play and the
> then bring up the context menu and select save target or whatever your
> browser says.
> The resulting m3u or PLS file will be downloaded ready for you to transfer
> across to your player.
> http://www.mikesradioworld.com/
>
> I have also a large folder of streams – hundreds of them but many will not
> work now as they go offline , but many will. I can provide a sendspace link
>
> for this if you want.
> David Griffith
> Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
> My Blind hammer Blog
> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
>
> From: Tony James
> Sent: 25 October 2017 09:22
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Web radio programs
>
> Hi everybody, i’m wondering if someone could share with me the name of a
> accessible program for finding web radio stations that will run under win7.
>
> I have a Book port plus which is capable of playing web radio stations, but
>
> first I need to get them on the card. The bpp supports m3u, PLS, and aSX
> stations. Thx
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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"If we die, we will die in battle ... together"  MK2 Lu Kang
CHECK OUT MY BLOG: HOUSEOFSURPRISES.BLOGSPOT.COM




Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Gene
 

Didn't you have the same problem months ago.  You should get help by phone or by Skipe or with someone working with you in realtime in some way. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I tried but it didn't work. I selected the rule and tabbed to the run now button and hit enter but it didn't work. This isn't working out.




On 10/25/2017 4:20 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Thanks.


I'll give it another shot.




On 10/25/2017 4:17 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

HI, Rosemary

Under the Tool in the main menu select Message Filters. Then, you will prompted of the list of filtered folders you've created. You need to double check and uncheck the Manual Run.

Robert Mendoza
On 10/26/2017 7:09 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Robert,


I already did all that. Some other messages from the other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else to do.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of the thread. About your concern for filtering particular message into your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your focus is located to the message that is not open yet, then tab several times till the focus is directed in the recipient column. Right click then select Create Filter From. The rest of the filters process is the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by manually so that it will run automatically into your corresponding filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza
On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the filters but there are messages till coming into the inbox from other lists. How do you run a filter on a message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie



On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in the combo box, tell it to match nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow and expand them. Just pick whatever you like, I move mine to a folder called nvda that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new menu in the file menu, do that before you do a filter if you want to move stuff, because the folder has to exist for you to pick it. If you want the folder in the main account, i.e. another folder like inbox, before you make the folder, highlight your account name with the arrows. If you want everything under your inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to expand folders, highlight your inbox. The difference is that if you highlight the account, you can down arrow, so you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox usually starts collapsed and you have to hit right arrow to expand it, then you hit down arrow to get to those folders, you'll go through whatever you made, then you'll get back to sent, trash, whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask questions.


On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird or do you just delete them after reading or replying to them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit clunky.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs have always been weird though. I used to use Outlook, the one that came in Office. Then I had to upgrade or migrate machines or whatever. So I exported mail and everything just like you're supposed to. Got everything installed, imported into the new Outlook. Suddenly none of my filtering rules to send messages to specific folders would work. So I literally deleted them all and recreated them from scratch, and they still wouldn't work. That's when I switched to Thunderbird and I've been using it ever since.





















How to use the Braillenote touch with NVDA?

William bilec
 

Hi, I have tried everything to get this thing working with NVDA.I have tried using BRLTTY, but that sometimes works, and when it does it only lets me see what is on the display.  it wont let me interact with anything on the computer. I have tried installing and uninstalling the humanwhere drivers, but that doesn't  work. I have tried using USB and Bluetooth connections. I have know idea what to do now.  I no NVDA'S braille support is ok, since I have a focus 40 at school and that works fine.
Any help is appreciated.


Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Gene
 

What do you mean some other messages from other lists.  If your rule only applies to messages with one list name, then no other messages will be affected.  You need to make a separate rule for every list.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Hi, Robert,


I already did all that. Some other messages from the other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else to do.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of the thread. About your concern for filtering particular message into your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your focus is located to the message that is not open yet, then tab several times till the focus is directed in the recipient column. Right click then select Create Filter From. The rest of the filters process is the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by manually so that it will run automatically into your corresponding filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza
On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the filters but there are messages till coming into the inbox from other lists. How do you run a filter on a message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie



On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in the combo box, tell it to match nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow and expand them. Just pick whatever you like, I move mine to a folder called nvda that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new menu in the file menu, do that before you do a filter if you want to move stuff, because the folder has to exist for you to pick it. If you want the folder in the main account, i.e. another folder like inbox, before you make the folder, highlight your account name with the arrows. If you want everything under your inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to expand folders, highlight your inbox. The difference is that if you highlight the account, you can down arrow, so you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox usually starts collapsed and you have to hit right arrow to expand it, then you hit down arrow to get to those folders, you'll go through whatever you made, then you'll get back to sent, trash, whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask questions.


On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird or do you just delete them after reading or replying to them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit clunky.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs have always been weird though. I used to use Outlook, the one that came in Office. Then I had to upgrade or migrate machines or whatever. So I exported mail and everything just like you're supposed to. Got everything installed, imported into the new Outlook. Suddenly none of my filtering rules to send messages to specific folders would work. So I literally deleted them all and recreated them from scratch, and they still wouldn't work. That's when I switched to Thunderbird and I've been using it ever since.


















Re: Web radio programs

Gene
 

I'm not sure what you are asking.  On the Bill Sparks site, you can get the stream if you are using firefox or Chrome.  Internet Explorer may not have this feature. 
Find the link for the radio station. 
Open the context menu. 
Down arrow to something like copy link or copy link location or something similar. 
Press enter and the location will be placed on the clipboard. 
For your purposes, this won't work on a site that uses Flash but the Bill Sparks site doesn't.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: larry k
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web radio programs

gene, do you know how to pull an internet stream address off a page using sourse code or can you recommend a tool to do that ?
 
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 14:56
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web radio programs
 
The site is only for European stations.  Following the link presents some station links and then some text stating that the site lists European stations.
 
A site with stations from around the world is
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony James
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web radio programs
 
Hi David, I went to the site and all I saw with both ie and firefox
was a link for Europe.  when I attempt to arrow down past this all
nvda says is blank.

On 10/25/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
> Be aware at any one time many stations simply do not work as stations are
> always changing their streaming company and protocol or restricting access
> due to copyright issues. To really get some stations it can be quite complex
>
> involving vpns and all sorts. Why anything simple has to end up so
> complicated is anybodys guess.
>  Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 1:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Web radio programs
>
>
>
> Not a program but a web site.
> Mike’s Radio Website.
> Once you have found a station you want – focus on the link to play and the
> then bring up the context menu and select save target or whatever your
> browser says.
> The resulting m3u or PLS file will be downloaded ready for you to transfer
> across to your player.
> http://www.mikesradioworld.com/
>
> I have also a large folder of streams – hundreds of them but many will not
> work now as they go offline , but many will. I can provide a sendspace link
>
> for this if you want.
> David Griffith
> Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
> My Blind hammer Blog
> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
>
> From: Tony James
> Sent: 25 October 2017 09:22
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Web radio programs
>
> Hi everybody, i’m wondering if someone could share with me the name of a
> accessible program for finding web radio stations that will run under win7.
>
> I have a Book port plus which is capable of playing web radio stations, but
>
> first I need to get them on the card. The bpp supports m3u, PLS, and aSX
> stations. Thx
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
"If we die, we will die in battle ... together"  MK2 Lu Kang
CHECK OUT MY BLOG: HOUSEOFSURPRISES.BLOGSPOT.COM




Re: Using Win 10's Mail App

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, John,


I'm having the problem that you had in outlook in thunderbird. I'm still having trouble trying to filter messages. I may end up going back to outlook.


Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs have always been weird though. I used to use Outlook, the one that came in Office. Then I had to upgrade or migrate machines or whatever. So I exported mail and everything just like you're supposed to. Got everything installed, imported into the new Outlook. Suddenly none of my filtering rules to send messages to specific folders would work. So I literally deleted them all and recreated them from scratch, and they still wouldn't work. That's when I switched to Thunderbird and I've been using it ever since.