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Re: Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

 

Hi,

If unchecked, it’ll behave like old versions (usable, although slower).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

 

Hi Joseph,

 

So if you leave that checkbox unchecked, how accessible is Firefox Quantum then?

 

 

On 10/25/2017 11:34 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

Well, the tests ended so fast…

 

The following is a community-based advisory that is mandatory for you all to listen up and follow:

 

If Firefox 57 is set to prevent accessibility services, you won’t be able to use Firefox at all. The following NVDA features will fail:

 

  • Browse mode and focus mode
  • Web browser features such as elements list and first letter navigation commands
  • Object navigation and review modes
  • OCR functionality

 

ADVISORY: when Firefox 57 lands, DO NOT check “prevent accessibility services” checkbox in Firefox options. By default, this checkbox is unchecked.

 

Technical: NVDA uses mixture of code injection and accessibility API routines to access Firefox. However, when accessibility services are turned off, Firefox enters a mode where the UI and browse mode functionality will not work with screen readers. This means no announcements regarding menu bar, no toolbar navigation feedback, no feedback when you type into address bar, no browse mode and so on. The only way to restore it so far is disabling the checkbox described above until NVDA finds a way to interact with Firefox Quantum.

 

Cheers,

Joseph



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Re: Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

Ron Canazzi
 

I thought he said it was unchecked by default.



On 10/25/2017 11:43 PM, Gene wrote:
How do you disable it if you can't work with menus and all the other structures you discussed?  Can you use the command alt t then o to get into the options dialog and can it be worked with?  Are you saying that we need to check this check box in the options dialog?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

Hi all,

Well, the tests ended so fast…

 

The following is a community-based advisory that is mandatory for you all to listen up and follow:

 

If Firefox 57 is set to prevent accessibility services, you won’t be able to use Firefox at all. The following NVDA features will fail:

 

  • Browse mode and focus mode
  • Web browser features such as elements list and first letter navigation commands
  • Object navigation and review modes
  • OCR functionality

 

ADVISORY: when Firefox 57 lands, DO NOT check “prevent accessibility services” checkbox in Firefox options. By default, this checkbox is unchecked.

 

Technical: NVDA uses mixture of code injection and accessibility API routines to access Firefox. However, when accessibility services are turned off, Firefox enters a mode where the UI and browse mode functionality will not work with screen readers. This means no announcements regarding menu bar, no toolbar navigation feedback, no feedback when you type into address bar, no browse mode and so on. The only way to restore it so far is disabling the checkbox described above until NVDA finds a way to interact with Firefox Quantum.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


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Re: Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Joseph,


So if you leave that checkbox unchecked, how accessible is Firefox Quantum then?



On 10/25/2017 11:34 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

Well, the tests ended so fast…

 

The following is a community-based advisory that is mandatory for you all to listen up and follow:

 

If Firefox 57 is set to prevent accessibility services, you won’t be able to use Firefox at all. The following NVDA features will fail:

 

  • Browse mode and focus mode
  • Web browser features such as elements list and first letter navigation commands
  • Object navigation and review modes
  • OCR functionality

 

ADVISORY: when Firefox 57 lands, DO NOT check “prevent accessibility services” checkbox in Firefox options. By default, this checkbox is unchecked.

 

Technical: NVDA uses mixture of code injection and accessibility API routines to access Firefox. However, when accessibility services are turned off, Firefox enters a mode where the UI and browse mode functionality will not work with screen readers. This means no announcements regarding menu bar, no toolbar navigation feedback, no feedback when you type into address bar, no browse mode and so on. The only way to restore it so far is disabling the checkbox described above until NVDA finds a way to interact with Firefox Quantum.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
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Re: Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I just downloaded the ESR version of firefox.




On 10/25/2017 7:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox Quantum due to be released on November 14th.  It is advised that the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your current personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it from automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox Quantum, as far as ScreenReader usability goes.  Go here to download FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as this version won't be updated until June of next year, by which time, it is hoped that the personal edition of Firefox and ScreenReader usability will be resolved.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/

Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus Operating Systems,  and arrow down to the appropriate language and OS of your choice.  Unfortunately, the navigation of this table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find what you need.  Cheers!


On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think it's a few months from now.  but you don't have to upgrade and remain upgraded.  You can upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using now.  Then, since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again later if you wish.  I don't know the details of how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things to get everything back as it was.  Just because the free upgrade is going away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything.  How old is your machine?  How likely is it that it will still be working when support ends for whatever version of Windows you are running now?  How old are your peripherals such as printer and scanner?  Are there Windows 10 drivers for them?  The free upgrade might not be so free.
 
Is there anything in Windows 10 you want? 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Hi guys


I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.


I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.


And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.


It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.


So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.


There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/

Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.


Gene nz


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Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Ron,


I did all those steps and I still can't get messages moved to their proper folders. I've hit enter on all the folders but I'm still having some messages from other lists go to my inbox instead of their proper folders. Why isn't this working for me? In outlook, you just hit the context key and arrow down to "always move messages from" and then the name of the messages.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 7:49 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


Assuming that you have attempted to create the filters by clicking tools/filters/new, be advised that the select a folder aspect is a bit kinky with screen readers.  You must treat that list box like a combo box using alt + down arrow to open the folder list and once selecting the right folder to filter messages into, press either enter or alt + up arrow to close the box and select the folder.


Everyone who is new to Thunderbird (including me) seems to run across this and it is temporarily confusing until you figure out what is going on.



On 10/25/2017 7:25 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I tried but it didn't work. I selected the rule and tabbed to the run now button and hit enter but it didn't work. This isn't working out.




On 10/25/2017 4:20 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Thanks.


I'll give it another shot.




On 10/25/2017 4:17 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

HI, Rosemary

Under the Tool in the main menu select Message Filters. Then, you will prompted of the list of filtered folders you've created. You need to double check and uncheck the Manual Run.

Robert Mendoza
On 10/26/2017 7:09 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Robert,


I already did all that. Some other messages from the other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else to do.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of the thread. About your concern for filtering particular message into your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your focus is located to the message that is not open yet, then tab several times till the focus is directed in the recipient column. Right click then select Create Filter From. The rest of the filters process is the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by manually so that it will run automatically into your corresponding filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza
On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the filters but there are messages till coming into the inbox from other lists. How do you run a filter on a message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie



On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in the combo box, tell it to match nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow and expand them. Just pick whatever you like, I move mine to a folder called nvda that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new menu in the file menu, do that before you do a filter if you want to move stuff, because the folder has to exist for you to pick it. If you want the folder in the main account, i.e. another folder like inbox, before you make the folder, highlight your account name with the arrows. If you want everything under your inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to expand folders, highlight your inbox. The difference is that if you highlight the account, you can down arrow, so you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox usually starts collapsed and you have to hit right arrow to expand it, then you hit down arrow to get to those folders, you'll go through whatever you made, then you'll get back to sent, trash, whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask questions.


On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird or do you just delete them after reading or replying to them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit clunky.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs have always been weird though. I used to use Outlook, the one that came in Office. Then I had to upgrade or migrate machines or whatever. So I exported mail and everything just like you're supposed to. Got everything installed, imported into the new Outlook. Suddenly none of my filtering rules to send messages to specific folders would work. So I literally deleted them all and recreated them from scratch, and they still wouldn't work. That's when I switched to Thunderbird and I've been using it ever since.





















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Re: Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

 

Hi,

As for that, it is due to the fact that Firefox is using multiple processes for accessibility routines, which impacts NVDA.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 9:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

 

There will be a problem when browsing through very dense web pages with lots of links and info.  I just tried  facebook.com, talksport.com, bbcNews.com, these pages are so sluggish that it would be better to use internet explorer instead.  Cheers!

       

On 26/10/2017 12:19 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi gene

 

I downloaded the 57 beta a little while ago and found the setting he was talking about. Mine was already unchecked. I downloaded the beta of 57 and i am just looking around now.

 

The menus are been spoken. The quick navigation keys seem to be working etc.

 

There is a little lag some times when you go to the menus and or left or right arrow. I was just having a look in the options section it looks like only 4 tabs now

 

I have read a couple of articles so far from our stuff website and gone back and forth between pages.

 

as mentioned there is a little lag at times seems no worser than 56 actually at a few times seemed quicker.

 

Now and again you have to refresh the page as like the page does not load and using the f5 key lets it load.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 10/26/2017 4:43 PM, Gene wrote:

How do you disable it if you can't work with menus and all the other structures you discussed?  Can you use the command alt t then o to get into the options dialog and can it be worked with?  Are you saying that we need to check this check box in the options dialog?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:34 PM

Subject: [nvda] Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

 

Hi all,

Well, the tests ended so fast…

 

The following is a community-based advisory that is mandatory for you all to listen up and follow:

 

If Firefox 57 is set to prevent accessibility services, you won’t be able to use Firefox at all. The following NVDA features will fail:

 

  • Browse mode and focus mode
  • Web browser features such as elements list and first letter navigation commands
  • Object navigation and review modes
  • OCR functionality

 

ADVISORY: when Firefox 57 lands, DO NOT check “prevent accessibility services” checkbox in Firefox options. By default, this checkbox is unchecked.

 

Technical: NVDA uses mixture of code injection and accessibility API routines to access Firefox. However, when accessibility services are turned off, Firefox enters a mode where the UI and browse mode functionality will not work with screen readers. This means no announcements regarding menu bar, no toolbar navigation feedback, no feedback when you type into address bar, no browse mode and so on. The only way to restore it so far is disabling the checkbox described above until NVDA finds a way to interact with Firefox Quantum.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

 


Re: Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

 

Hi everyone,

It is there as part of a foundation for a very huge work that’ll fundamentally change how screen readers think about communicating with web browsers. The story goes like this (and if you want, please do pass this onto others):

In the early days of web accessibility for screen reader users (back when there was no UIA, no visible standards organizations for accessibility, etc.), the only effective way for screen readers to present web content was sending out “scouts” who’ll bring back envelopes containing the entire HTML code for a webpage. These scouts would use a highway called “code injection” to speed up their travel. Once the envelopes are opened, screen readers will thread the contents together into a “navigable document”. In other words, a web document was constructed twice for you: once on the web browser window, and rendered by your screen reader a second time on top of that.

The advantage of this method is that screen readers knew where things were, because they had a “map” in front of them that pointed to where the next given element was, listing postings with routes to links on the document and so on. This meant navigating around a page was simple and very fast. However, this opened a chasm: if a screen reader was walking along a path and was “kidnapped” one day, the “kidnapper” would force the screen reader to give commands to “scouts”, whose only job was to fetch something on behalf of their leader.

Fast forward almost two decades, and current screen reader and web browser landscape is filled with those who travel by the code injection highway, and those who send and receive “letters” and “beacons”. The former is the case with Internet Explorer and older versions of Firefox, and the latter is for Microsoft Edge. These days, more web browsers are asking screen readers to send more letters than scouts, which has huge implications for users and developers.

Technical (if you want, please do send this out to others): first, some definitions:

  • Scout: code injection routines, typically a DLL from a screen reader that inserts a piece of screen reader code inside a web browser to construct webpages.
  • Code injection: programs inserting code into each other’s workspaces with or without others (including operating systems) noticing it.
  • Workspace: memory used by programs. Typically called “address space”.
  • Letters: API and other well-documented routines or contracts.
  • Beacons: instructions from web browsers for screen readers, especially referring to document movement routines.

With this in mind, the geeky version is as follows:

When MSAA first came out in late 1990’s, it was designed to let screen readers receive information about program controls, mostly static ones. Hence, it wasn’t really designed for places such as web browsers where document content can change without notice. For this case, screen readers will inject part of their code (typically in the form of a DLL) inside a web browser process to monitor events such as when a website is being loaded. Once the DLL realizes that you’ve navigated to a new page, it’ll fetch the entire HTML code for that page and send it back to main screen reader code. This main code, typically in the form of a document formatting library, will construct (technically, reconstruct) a webpage according to rules it knows best.

But imagine a malware comes along and takes over a screen reader (which can actually happen if a malware holds special privileges and exploits a weakness in screen readers). Unless the malware doesn’t know about it, it now has a way to inject itself into other processes (not just web browsers) in the form of a screen reader DLL or redirecting the DLL’s operation to the malware module. This is made more possible by the fact that screen readers are deemed TRUSTED by operating systems, which means screen readers can perform tasks other programs are envious of (including starting early). This is perhaps one of the most critical security holes that can be opened by anyone (besides taking over an operating system routine or an important DLL or a driver). In theory, you can get around this by starting a pristine (clean) screen reader, but even that can be attacked if the malware wishes to do so.

These days, web browsers are taking the initiative to close the code injection gateway. An early start was some old browsers, including Internet Explorer 7, but even then, screen readers have found a way to open the gateway. Due to security concerns, Microsoft Edge will not allow code injection; instead, screen readers are asked to use UIA to communicate with Edge and to yield document navigation routines to Edge itself. Same will happen with a future version of Firefox, but we don’t know when that’ll happen. NV Access is taking this possibility seriously and are actively working with Mozilla to rectify this as soon as possible (also, don’t forget that a former NVDA developer is now working for Mozilla Foundation, and NV Access and Mozilla have a good relationship regarding mutual support, especially when it comes to web standards and accessibility).

Reference:

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 9:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

 

Hi Joseph

 

Why would they put in such a setting?

 

I am guessing if checked it would speed up the browser for the sighted but be use less if checked for us.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 10/26/2017 4:50 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

You need to keep this checkbox unchecked. And I haven’t found an easy way to reverse this at the moment (Alt+T, O won’t work here).

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 8:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

 

How do you disable it if you can't work with menus and all the other structures you discussed?  Can you use the command alt t then o to get into the options dialog and can it be worked with?  Are you saying that we need to check this check box in the options dialog?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:34 PM

Subject: [nvda] Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

 

Hi all,

Well, the tests ended so fast…

 

The following is a community-based advisory that is mandatory for you all to listen up and follow:

 

If Firefox 57 is set to prevent accessibility services, you won’t be able to use Firefox at all. The following NVDA features will fail:

 

  • Browse mode and focus mode
  • Web browser features such as elements list and first letter navigation commands
  • Object navigation and review modes
  • OCR functionality

 

ADVISORY: when Firefox 57 lands, DO NOT check “prevent accessibility services” checkbox in Firefox options. By default, this checkbox is unchecked.

 

Technical: NVDA uses mixture of code injection and accessibility API routines to access Firefox. However, when accessibility services are turned off, Firefox enters a mode where the UI and browse mode functionality will not work with screen readers. This means no announcements regarding menu bar, no toolbar navigation feedback, no feedback when you type into address bar, no browse mode and so on. The only way to restore it so far is disabling the checkbox described above until NVDA finds a way to interact with Firefox Quantum.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

There will be a problem when browsing through very dense web pages with lots of links and info.  I just tried  facebook.com, talksport.com, bbcNews.com, these pages are so sluggish that it would be better to use internet explorer instead.  Cheers!

       

On 26/10/2017 12:19 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi gene


I downloaded the 57 beta a little while ago and found the setting he was talking about. Mine was already unchecked. I downloaded the beta of 57 and i am just looking around now.


The menus are been spoken. The quick navigation keys seem to be working etc.


There is a little lag some times when you go to the menus and or left or right arrow. I was just having a look in the options section it looks like only 4 tabs now


I have read a couple of articles so far from our stuff website and gone back and forth between pages.


as mentioned there is a little lag at times seems no worser than 56 actually at a few times seemed quicker.


Now and again you have to refresh the page as like the page does not load and using the f5 key lets it load.


Gene nz



On 10/26/2017 4:43 PM, Gene wrote:
How do you disable it if you can't work with menus and all the other structures you discussed?  Can you use the command alt t then o to get into the options dialog and can it be worked with?  Are you saying that we need to check this check box in the options dialog?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

Hi all,

Well, the tests ended so fast…

 

The following is a community-based advisory that is mandatory for you all to listen up and follow:

 

If Firefox 57 is set to prevent accessibility services, you won’t be able to use Firefox at all. The following NVDA features will fail:

 

  • Browse mode and focus mode
  • Web browser features such as elements list and first letter navigation commands
  • Object navigation and review modes
  • OCR functionality

 

ADVISORY: when Firefox 57 lands, DO NOT check “prevent accessibility services” checkbox in Firefox options. By default, this checkbox is unchecked.

 

Technical: NVDA uses mixture of code injection and accessibility API routines to access Firefox. However, when accessibility services are turned off, Firefox enters a mode where the UI and browse mode functionality will not work with screen readers. This means no announcements regarding menu bar, no toolbar navigation feedback, no feedback when you type into address bar, no browse mode and so on. The only way to restore it so far is disabling the checkbox described above until NVDA finds a way to interact with Firefox Quantum.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Code Factory Voices Does Not Remained Installed After Being Registered Several Times

Andy
 

This has happened to me as well. I am concerned that I will run out of installations.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Robinson" <jardatalearningcenter@jardata.biz>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 9:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Code Factory Voices Does Not Remained Installed After Being Registered Several Times


Hello!

I purchased, installed, and registered the CodeFactory Eloquence and
Vocalizer voices into NVDA and, during the times I remain on my PC, the
voices are active and working. However, after I turn off my computer and
turn it back on again, when I load NVDA, the voices are no longer there and
the system asks me to register them again; I have done this three or four
times; what is going on!

James Robinson re



Re: Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

It affects NVDA too.  Cheers!


On 26/10/2017 11:36 AM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


I thought that was only for jaws users? as where the message came into my inbox referred to it.


That was why i was asking the question. I just downloaded the beta version on this machine but is a quad core and will also try it on a duel core to see how well or not nvda goes with it. I am guessing our developers might be ahead with the work on it.


I will also sus out the link as well.


Gene nz



On 10/26/2017 3:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox Quantum due to be released on November 14th.  It is advised that the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your current personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it from automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox Quantum, as far as ScreenReader usability goes.  Go here to download FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as this version won't be updated until June of next year, by which time, it is hoped that the personal edition of Firefox and ScreenReader usability will be resolved.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/

Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus Operating Systems,  and arrow down to the appropriate language and OS of your choice.  Unfortunately, the navigation of this table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find what you need.  Cheers!


On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think it's a few months from now.  but you don't have to upgrade and remain upgraded.  You can upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using now.  Then, since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again later if you wish.  I don't know the details of how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things to get everything back as it was.  Just because the free upgrade is going away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything.  How old is your machine?  How likely is it that it will still be working when support ends for whatever version of Windows you are running now?  How old are your peripherals such as printer and scanner?  Are there Windows 10 drivers for them?  The free upgrade might not be so free.
 
Is there anything in Windows 10 you want? 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Hi guys


I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.


I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.


And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.


It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.


So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.


There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/

Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.


Gene nz


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

This version is written for organizations and institutions.  It is safe.


On 26/10/2017 10:57 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi again Group,


I noticed that this is Firefox 52--a full 5 versions behind the 57 version due to be released in November.  Is this at all safe?



On 10/25/2017 10:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox Quantum due to be released on November 14th.  It is advised that the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your current personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it from automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox Quantum, as far as ScreenReader usability goes.  Go here to download FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as this version won't be updated until June of next year, by which time, it is hoped that the personal edition of Firefox and ScreenReader usability will be resolved.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/

Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus Operating Systems,  and arrow down to the appropriate language and OS of your choice.  Unfortunately, the navigation of this table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find what you need.  Cheers!


On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think it's a few months from now.  but you don't have to upgrade and remain upgraded.  You can upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using now.  Then, since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again later if you wish.  I don't know the details of how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things to get everything back as it was.  Just because the free upgrade is going away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything.  How old is your machine?  How likely is it that it will still be working when support ends for whatever version of Windows you are running now?  How old are your peripherals such as printer and scanner?  Are there Windows 10 drivers for them?  The free upgrade might not be so free.
 
Is there anything in Windows 10 you want? 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Hi guys


I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.


I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.


And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.


It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.


So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.


There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/

Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.


Gene nz


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

Hi.  It's not easy to explainthis without avoiding technecal issues. Suffice it to say that the Mozilla web engine is undergoing a change.  In the past, it is mozilla that is issuing all the information to Screenreaders.  Now with the new browser, it is up to the Screenreader to extract the information from the browser through a user interface.  Complicated but so it goes with new technology.  Cheers!


On 26/10/2017 10:52 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


I thought 57 was supposed to solve accessibility issues--not create more.  Back when 56 was released, some people were talking about an issue where the place was not kept when moving back and forth between web pages and/or tabs.  On another list, I saw that this was to be fixed in version 57.  Now what's all this stuff about a totally new design that breaks screen accessibility?


On 10/25/2017 10:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox Quantum due to be released on November 14th.  It is advised that the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your current personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it from automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox Quantum, as far as ScreenReader usability goes.  Go here to download FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as this version won't be updated until June of next year, by which time, it is hoped that the personal edition of Firefox and ScreenReader usability will be resolved.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/

Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus Operating Systems,  and arrow down to the appropriate language and OS of your choice.  Unfortunately, the navigation of this table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find what you need.  Cheers!


On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think it's a few months from now.  but you don't have to upgrade and remain upgraded.  You can upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using now.  Then, since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again later if you wish.  I don't know the details of how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things to get everything back as it was.  Just because the free upgrade is going away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything.  How old is your machine?  How likely is it that it will still be working when support ends for whatever version of Windows you are running now?  How old are your peripherals such as printer and scanner?  Are there Windows 10 drivers for them?  The free upgrade might not be so free.
 
Is there anything in Windows 10 you want? 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Hi guys


I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.


I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.


And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.


It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.


So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.


There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/

Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.


Gene nz


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Joseph


Why would they put in such a setting?


I am guessing if checked it would speed up the browser for the sighted but be use less if checked for us.


Gene nz



On 10/26/2017 4:50 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

You need to keep this checkbox unchecked. And I haven’t found an easy way to reverse this at the moment (Alt+T, O won’t work here).

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 8:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

 

How do you disable it if you can't work with menus and all the other structures you discussed?  Can you use the command alt t then o to get into the options dialog and can it be worked with?  Are you saying that we need to check this check box in the options dialog?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:34 PM

Subject: [nvda] Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

 

Hi all,

Well, the tests ended so fast…

 

The following is a community-based advisory that is mandatory for you all to listen up and follow:

 

If Firefox 57 is set to prevent accessibility services, you won’t be able to use Firefox at all. The following NVDA features will fail:

 

  • Browse mode and focus mode
  • Web browser features such as elements list and first letter navigation commands
  • Object navigation and review modes
  • OCR functionality

 

ADVISORY: when Firefox 57 lands, DO NOT check “prevent accessibility services” checkbox in Firefox options. By default, this checkbox is unchecked.

 

Technical: NVDA uses mixture of code injection and accessibility API routines to access Firefox. However, when accessibility services are turned off, Firefox enters a mode where the UI and browse mode functionality will not work with screen readers. This means no announcements regarding menu bar, no toolbar navigation feedback, no feedback when you type into address bar, no browse mode and so on. The only way to restore it so far is disabling the checkbox described above until NVDA finds a way to interact with Firefox Quantum.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi gene


I downloaded the 57 beta a little while ago and found the setting he was talking about. Mine was already unchecked. I downloaded the beta of 57 and i am just looking around now.


The menus are been spoken. The quick navigation keys seem to be working etc.


There is a little lag some times when you go to the menus and or left or right arrow. I was just having a look in the options section it looks like only 4 tabs now


I have read a couple of articles so far from our stuff website and gone back and forth between pages.


as mentioned there is a little lag at times seems no worser than 56 actually at a few times seemed quicker.


Now and again you have to refresh the page as like the page does not load and using the f5 key lets it load.


Gene nz



On 10/26/2017 4:43 PM, Gene wrote:
How do you disable it if you can't work with menus and all the other structures you discussed?  Can you use the command alt t then o to get into the options dialog and can it be worked with?  Are you saying that we need to check this check box in the options dialog?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

Hi all,

Well, the tests ended so fast…

 

The following is a community-based advisory that is mandatory for you all to listen up and follow:

 

If Firefox 57 is set to prevent accessibility services, you won’t be able to use Firefox at all. The following NVDA features will fail:

 

  • Browse mode and focus mode
  • Web browser features such as elements list and first letter navigation commands
  • Object navigation and review modes
  • OCR functionality

 

ADVISORY: when Firefox 57 lands, DO NOT check “prevent accessibility services” checkbox in Firefox options. By default, this checkbox is unchecked.

 

Technical: NVDA uses mixture of code injection and accessibility API routines to access Firefox. However, when accessibility services are turned off, Firefox enters a mode where the UI and browse mode functionality will not work with screen readers. This means no announcements regarding menu bar, no toolbar navigation feedback, no feedback when you type into address bar, no browse mode and so on. The only way to restore it so far is disabling the checkbox described above until NVDA finds a way to interact with Firefox Quantum.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Code Factory Voices Does Not Remained Installed After Being Registered Several Times

James Robinson
 

Hello!

I purchased, installed, and registered the CodeFactory Eloquence and
Vocalizer voices into NVDA and, during the times I remain on my PC, the
voices are active and working. However, after I turn off my computer and
turn it back on again, when I load NVDA, the voices are no longer there and
the system asks me to register them again; I have done this three or four
times; what is going on!

James Robinson re


Re: Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

 

Hi,

You need to keep this checkbox unchecked. And I haven’t found an easy way to reverse this at the moment (Alt+T, O won’t work here).

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 8:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

 

How do you disable it if you can't work with menus and all the other structures you discussed?  Can you use the command alt t then o to get into the options dialog and can it be worked with?  Are you saying that we need to check this check box in the options dialog?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:34 PM

Subject: [nvda] Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

 

Hi all,

Well, the tests ended so fast…

 

The following is a community-based advisory that is mandatory for you all to listen up and follow:

 

If Firefox 57 is set to prevent accessibility services, you won’t be able to use Firefox at all. The following NVDA features will fail:

 

  • Browse mode and focus mode
  • Web browser features such as elements list and first letter navigation commands
  • Object navigation and review modes
  • OCR functionality

 

ADVISORY: when Firefox 57 lands, DO NOT check “prevent accessibility services” checkbox in Firefox options. By default, this checkbox is unchecked.

 

Technical: NVDA uses mixture of code injection and accessibility API routines to access Firefox. However, when accessibility services are turned off, Firefox enters a mode where the UI and browse mode functionality will not work with screen readers. This means no announcements regarding menu bar, no toolbar navigation feedback, no feedback when you type into address bar, no browse mode and so on. The only way to restore it so far is disabling the checkbox described above until NVDA finds a way to interact with Firefox Quantum.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

Gene
 

How do you disable it if you can't work with menus and all the other structures you discussed?  Can you use the command alt t then o to get into the options dialog and can it be worked with?  Are you saying that we need to check this check box in the options dialog?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

Hi all,

Well, the tests ended so fast…

 

The following is a community-based advisory that is mandatory for you all to listen up and follow:

 

If Firefox 57 is set to prevent accessibility services, you won’t be able to use Firefox at all. The following NVDA features will fail:

 

  • Browse mode and focus mode
  • Web browser features such as elements list and first letter navigation commands
  • Object navigation and review modes
  • OCR functionality

 

ADVISORY: when Firefox 57 lands, DO NOT check “prevent accessibility services” checkbox in Firefox options. By default, this checkbox is unchecked.

 

Technical: NVDA uses mixture of code injection and accessibility API routines to access Firefox. However, when accessibility services are turned off, Firefox enters a mode where the UI and browse mode functionality will not work with screen readers. This means no announcements regarding menu bar, no toolbar navigation feedback, no feedback when you type into address bar, no browse mode and so on. The only way to restore it so far is disabling the checkbox described above until NVDA finds a way to interact with Firefox Quantum.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I thought that was only for jaws users? as where the message came into my inbox referred to it.


That was why i was asking the question. I just downloaded the beta version on this machine but is a quad core and will also try it on a duel core to see how well or not nvda goes with it. I am guessing our developers might be ahead with the work on it.


I will also sus out the link as well.


Gene nz



On 10/26/2017 3:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox Quantum due to be released on November 14th.  It is advised that the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your current personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it from automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox Quantum, as far as ScreenReader usability goes.  Go here to download FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as this version won't be updated until June of next year, by which time, it is hoped that the personal edition of Firefox and ScreenReader usability will be resolved.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/

Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus Operating Systems,  and arrow down to the appropriate language and OS of your choice.  Unfortunately, the navigation of this table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find what you need.  Cheers!


On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think it's a few months from now.  but you don't have to upgrade and remain upgraded.  You can upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using now.  Then, since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again later if you wish.  I don't know the details of how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things to get everything back as it was.  Just because the free upgrade is going away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything.  How old is your machine?  How likely is it that it will still be working when support ends for whatever version of Windows you are running now?  How old are your peripherals such as printer and scanner?  Are there Windows 10 drivers for them?  The free upgrade might not be so free.
 
Is there anything in Windows 10 you want? 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Hi guys


I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.


I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.


And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.


It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.


So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.


There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/

Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.


Gene nz


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

 

Hi all,

Well, the tests ended so fast…

 

The following is a community-based advisory that is mandatory for you all to listen up and follow:

 

If Firefox 57 is set to prevent accessibility services, you won’t be able to use Firefox at all. The following NVDA features will fail:

 

  • Browse mode and focus mode
  • Web browser features such as elements list and first letter navigation commands
  • Object navigation and review modes
  • OCR functionality

 

ADVISORY: when Firefox 57 lands, DO NOT check “prevent accessibility services” checkbox in Firefox options. By default, this checkbox is unchecked.

 

Technical: NVDA uses mixture of code injection and accessibility API routines to access Firefox. However, when accessibility services are turned off, Firefox enters a mode where the UI and browse mode functionality will not work with screen readers. This means no announcements regarding menu bar, no toolbar navigation feedback, no feedback when you type into address bar, no browse mode and so on. The only way to restore it so far is disabling the checkbox described above until NVDA finds a way to interact with Firefox Quantum.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Gene
 

It's the ESR, extended release version.  it receives security updates for two years after its release.  At that time, another extended release version is released.  the purpose is for businesses and organizations that use firefox in their networks and need a stable, unchanging version for long periods.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Hi again Group,


I noticed that this is Firefox 52--a full 5 versions behind the 57 version due to be released in November.  Is this at all safe?



On 10/25/2017 10:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox Quantum due to be released on November 14th.  It is advised that the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your current personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it from automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox Quantum, as far as ScreenReader usability goes.  Go here to download FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as this version won't be updated until June of next year, by which time, it is hoped that the personal edition of Firefox and ScreenReader usability will be resolved.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/

Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus Operating Systems,  and arrow down to the appropriate language and OS of your choice.  Unfortunately, the navigation of this table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find what you need.  Cheers!


On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think it's a few months from now.  but you don't have to upgrade and remain upgraded.  You can upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using now.  Then, since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again later if you wish.  I don't know the details of how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things to get everything back as it was.  Just because the free upgrade is going away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything.  How old is your machine?  How likely is it that it will still be working when support ends for whatever version of Windows you are running now?  How old are your peripherals such as printer and scanner?  Are there Windows 10 drivers for them?  The free upgrade might not be so free.
 
Is there anything in Windows 10 you want? 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Hi guys


I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.


I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.


And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.


It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.


So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.


There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/

Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.


Gene nz


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