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Re: Chrome

 

yes I use it all the time

On 10/26/2017 11:21 AM, kelby carlson wrote:
Is Chrome accessible with NVDA? I've tried using it but haven't had a lot of success.




switching accounts

Don H
 

Using NVDA 2017-3 on a Win 10 fall creator laptop.
Normally I run my computer on a local account but today I wanted to switch to my Microsoft account.
I went to settings, accounts and hit enter on the use a Microsoft account instead. At that point you are at a screen that has a edit box for your Email address and I was able to type it in. After that however NVDA would not allow me to get to the next button thus I could not get to the next screen to enter in my password. Any tips as how to get NVDA to work well with these account screens?
Thanks


Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Gene
 

I understand your point but at times, if something doesn't work and you go through what seems to be the likely and logical causes, you then start trying things that may not seem to be relevant but which may be.  perhaps there is something about the NVDA list that causes the rule to work when the from field is used even though it would not seem that there should be.  But at some point, you have to start trying things that seem illogical as long as they are not dangerous or destructive..
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Surely this would be the same for the address which IS working, though:
nvda@nvda.groups.io

I'm assuming (happy to be corrected if I'm wrong...) that Rosemarie has
created the same type of rule for both lists, matching on the same field.


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 23:09:47, Gene wrote:

> I just checked and one of the available fields when making a message rule
> is to.  Put the address of the list in the to field.  I don't recall ever
> seeing a list place its address in the from field.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Gene
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:00 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>
>
> I don't think that will help.  Assuming the correct address is being used,
> then the problem may be something like using the from line instead of the
> to line in the message rule.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:45 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>
>
> I'm not sure but I'll ask the owner.
>
> On 10/26/2017 1:43 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> > Does that Google group have a publicly-available message archive
> > somewhere, so we could see the emails on it without having to subscribe?
> >
> > If so, can you tell us:
> >
> > a) where the archive can be found
> >
> > b) the sender, date, time and timezone of two messages:
> >   - one which got filtered by your rule
> >  
> >   - one which did not get filtered by your rule
> >
> > Then we might be able to look at the emessages for ourselves and see if
> > we can spot a difference, and why your rule might sometimes not be
> > working.
> >
> >
> > Antony.
> >
> > On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:34:29, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >> Messages not being filtered: audioourplace@...
> >>
> >>
> >> Messages being filtered: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> >>
> >>
> >> Hope this helps somewhat.
> >>
> >> On 10/26/2017 1:29 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>> The same way you found them when you worked out what to look for in the
> >>> filter rules?
> >>>
> >>> If you don't know how to find the headers, how did you create the
> >>> filter rule?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Antony.
> >>>
> >>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:27:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>> How do I find the headers?
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>>>> I can only repeat my request:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
> >>>>> which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
> >>>>> which does not get filtered?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Antony.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>> I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but
> >>>>>> some of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>>>>>> So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match
> >>>>>>> some header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which
> >>>>>>> you expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails
> >>>>>>> which you expect to have that header are not being filtered.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the
> >>>>>>> emails which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of
> >>>>>>> the emails which does not get filtered?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Antony.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi, Anthony,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how
> >>>>>>>> they're supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I
> >>>>>>>> can be. The header isaudioourplace.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Can you give us an example of an email which did not get
> >>>>>>>>> filtered, along with the rule which you expected to filter it?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see
> >>>>>>>>> whichever part the filter was supposed to act on.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't -
> >>>>>>>>> such as the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at
> >>>>>>>>> the end don't, etc?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are
> >>>>>>>>> never filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do
> >>>>>>>>> nothing, or are you saying that some emails get filtered by the
> >>>>>>>>> rule they're supposd to match and other emails do not get
> >>>>>>>>> filtered by the same rule?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Antony.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Only some of them got filtered.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some
> >>>>>>>>>>> of them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are
> >>>>>>>>>>> not, I'd check the headers of a filtered message and an
> >>>>>>>>>>> unfiltered one to see if there are any differences. I see you
> >>>>>>>>>>> use the to: field. If somebody replies to a person and has the
> >>>>>>>>>>> list address in the cc: field, then obviously it won't get
> >>>>>>>>>>> filtered. These are the kinds of things to start checking for.
> >>>>>>>>>>> If you have a case like that, you might need to set up two or
> >>>>>>>>>>> three rules for the list to make sure every message gets
> >>>>>>>>>>> filtered and moved to its folder.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Gene,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> music list I'm on as an example.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That's the music list I'm on.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new
> >>>>>>>>>>>> messages" or something like that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> field.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an
> >>>>>>>>>>>> edit box and typed audioourplace@...
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:audioourplace@...>.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder
> >>>>>>>>>>>> for the music list and hit enter on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> new rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages
> >>>>>>>>>>>> from that list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem
> >>>>>>>>>>>> could be.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Gene
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>> work? Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to look for where you tell it to look?  Are you sure the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> spelling is exactly correct for every item you are using?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what else might account for some of the rules
> >>>>>>>>>>>> not working.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that
> >>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That is tedious but it may work.  It might be much faster and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> more likely to find the error to work with someone.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Gene
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          What do you mean some other messages from other
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          lists. If your rule only applies to messages with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          one list name, then no other messages will be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          affected.  You need to make a separate rule for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          every list.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          Gene
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          Hi, Robert,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          I already did all that. Some other messages from the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          know what else to do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              subject line is intended to change to avoid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              confusion of the thread. About your concern for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              filtering particular message into your inbox in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              focus is located to the message that is not open
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              yet, then tab several times till the focus is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              directed in the recipient column. Right click
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              then select Create Filter From. The rest of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              filters process is the same as mentioned below
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              by manually so that it will run automatically
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              into your corresponding filtered of your choice.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              Robert Mendoza
> >>>>>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Hi, John,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Let's say you want to run a filter on a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  message that comes into the inbox. I've
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  pretty muchcreated the filters but there are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  messages till coming into the inbox from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  other lists. How do you run a filter on a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  message?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      1. Go to the tools menu, pick message
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      filters.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      2. Tab to the new button.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      from in the combo box, tell it to match
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      nvda.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      4. For the next two combo boxes, it will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      and expand them. Just pick whatever you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      like, I move mine to a folder called nvda
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      that I made.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      5. To make a folder, just pick folder
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      from the new menu in the file menu, do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      that before you do a filter if you want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      to move stuff, because the folder has to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      exist for you to pick it. If you want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      the folder in the main account, i.e.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      another folder like inbox, before you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      make the folder, highlight your account
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      name with the arrows. If you want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      everything under your inbox, so you have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      to hit right arrow to expand folders,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      highlight your inbox. The difference is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      that if you highlight the account, you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      can down arrow, so you'll get inbox,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      usually starts collapsed and you have to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      hit right arrow to expand it, then you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      hit down arrow to get to those folders,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      you'll go through whatever you made,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      then you'll get back to sent, trash,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      whatever.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      If that's confusing somehow, feel free to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      ask questions.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria
> >
> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          Hi, John,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          How do you create filters in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          thunderbird or do you just delete
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          them after reading or replying to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          clunky.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              Microsoft's various mail programs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              have always been weird though. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              used to use Outlook, the one that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              came in Office. Then I had to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              upgrade or migrate machines or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              whatever. So I exported mail and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              everything just like you're
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              supposed to. Got everything
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              installed, imported into the new
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              Outlook. Suddenly none of my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              filtering rules to send messages
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              to specific folders would work.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              So I literally deleted them all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              and recreated them from scratch,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              and they still wouldn't work.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              That's when I switched to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              Thunderbird and I've been using
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              it ever since.



Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Antony Stone
 

Surely this would be the same for the address which IS working, though:
nvda@nvda.groups.io

I'm assuming (happy to be corrected if I'm wrong...) that Rosemarie has
created the same type of rule for both lists, matching on the same field.


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 23:09:47, Gene wrote:

I just checked and one of the available fields when making a message rule
is to. Put the address of the list in the to field. I don't recall ever
seeing a list place its address in the from field.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters


I don't think that will help. Assuming the correct address is being used,
then the problem may be something like using the from line instead of the
to line in the message rule.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters


I'm not sure but I'll ask the owner.

On 10/26/2017 1:43 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Does that Google group have a publicly-available message archive
somewhere, so we could see the emails on it without having to subscribe?

If so, can you tell us:

a) where the archive can be found

b) the sender, date, time and timezone of two messages:
- one which got filtered by your rule

- one which did not get filtered by your rule

Then we might be able to look at the emessages for ourselves and see if
we can spot a difference, and why your rule might sometimes not be
working.


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:34:29, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Messages not being filtered: audioourplace@googlegroups.com


Messages being filtered: nvda@nvda.groups.io


Hope this helps somewhat.

On 10/26/2017 1:29 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
The same way you found them when you worked out what to look for in the
filter rules?

If you don't know how to find the headers, how did you create the
filter rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:27:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
How do I find the headers?

On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
I can only repeat my request:

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but
some of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.

On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match
some header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which
you expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails
which you expect to have that header are not being filtered.

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the
emails which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of
the emails which does not get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Anthony,


Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how
they're supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I
can be. The header isaudioourplace.

On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Can you give us an example of an email which did not get
filtered, along with the rule which you expected to filter it?

We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see
whichever part the filter was supposed to act on.

Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't -
such as the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at
the end don't, etc?

Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are
never filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do
nothing, or are you saying that some emails get filtered by the
rule they're supposd to match and other emails do not get
filtered by the same rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria
wrote:
Only some of them got filtered.

On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some
of them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are
not, I'd check the headers of a filtered message and an
unfiltered one to see if there are any differences. I see you
use the to: field. If somebody replies to a person and has the
list address in the cc: field, then obviously it won't get
filtered. These are the kinds of things to start checking for.
If you have a case like that, you might need to set up two or
three rules for the list to make sure every message gets
filtered and moved to its folder.

On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the
music list I'm on as an example.

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace.
That's the music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new
messages" or something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the
following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to"
field.

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an
edit box and typed audioourplace@googlegroups.com
<mailto:audioourplace@googlegroups.com>.

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder
for the music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a
new rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it.
The filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages
from that list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem
could be.

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On
Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't
work? Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule
to look for where you tell it to look? Are you sure the
spelling is exactly correct for every item you are using?
I'm not sure what else might account for some of the rules
not working.

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that
doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error.
That is tedious but it may work. It might be much faster and
more likely to find the error to work with someone.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
What do you mean some other messages from other
lists. If your rule only applies to messages with
one list name, then no other messages will be
affected. You need to make a separate rule for
every list.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria
<mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Hi, Robert,

I already did all that. Some other messages from the
other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't
know what else to do.

Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
subject line is intended to change to avoid
confusion of the thread. About your concern for
filtering particular message into your inbox in
Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your
focus is located to the message that is not open
yet, then tab several times till the focus is
directed in the recipient column. Right click
then select Create Filter From. The rest of the
filters process is the same as mentioned below
by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter
by manually so that it will run automatically
into your corresponding filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a
message that comes into the inbox. I've
pretty muchcreated the filters but there are
messages till coming into the inbox from
other lists. How do you run a filter on a
message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message
filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g.
from in the combo box, tell it to match
nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will
probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow
and expand them. Just pick whatever you
like, I move mine to a folder called nvda
that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder
from the new menu in the file menu, do
that before you do a filter if you want
to move stuff, because the folder has to
exist for you to pick it. If you want
the folder in the main account, i.e.
another folder like inbox, before you
make the folder, highlight your account
name with the arrows. If you want
everything under your inbox, so you have
to hit right arrow to expand folders,
highlight your inbox. The difference is
that if you highlight the account, you
can down arrow, so you'll get inbox,
your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If
you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox
usually starts collapsed and you have to
hit right arrow to expand it, then you
hit down arrow to get to those folders,
you'll go through whatever you made,
then you'll get back to sent, trash,
whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to
ask questions.

On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria
wrote:
Hi, John,


How do you create filters in
thunderbird or do you just delete
them after reading or replying to
them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit
clunky.


Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige
wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs
have always been weird though. I
used to use Outlook, the one that
came in Office. Then I had to
upgrade or migrate machines or
whatever. So I exported mail and
everything just like you're
supposed to. Got everything
installed, imported into the new
Outlook. Suddenly none of my
filtering rules to send messages
to specific folders would work.
So I literally deleted them all
and recreated them from scratch,
and they still wouldn't work.
That's when I switched to
Thunderbird and I've been using
it ever since.


Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Gene
 

I just checked and one of the available fields when making a message rule is to.  Put the address of the list in the to field.  I don't recall ever seeing a list place its address in the from field.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I don't think that will help.  Assuming the correct address is being used, then the problem may be something like using the from line instead of the to line in the message rule. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I'm not sure but I'll ask the owner.




On 10/26/2017 1:43 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> Does that Google group have a publicly-available message archive somewhere, so
> we could see the emails on it without having to subscribe?
>
> If so, can you tell us:
>
> a) where the archive can be found
>
> b) the sender, date, time and timezone of two messages:
>
>   - one which got filtered by your rule
>
>   - one which did not get filtered by your rule
>
> Then we might be able to look at the emessages for ourselves and see if we can
> spot a difference, and why your rule might sometimes not be working.
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:34:29, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>
>> Messages not being filtered: audioourplace@...
>>
>>
>> Messages being filtered: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps somewhat.
>>
>> On 10/26/2017 1:29 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
>>> The same way you found them when you worked out what to look for in the
>>> filter rules?
>>>
>>> If you don't know how to find the headers, how did you create the filter
>>> rule?
>>>
>>>
>>> Antony.
>>>
>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:27:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>> How do I find the headers?
>>>>
>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
>>>>> I can only repeat my request:
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
>>>>> which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
>>>>> which does not get filtered?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Antony.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>> I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but some
>>>>>> of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
>>>>>>> So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match
>>>>>>> some header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which
>>>>>>> you expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails
>>>>>>> which you expect to have that header are not being filtered.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
>>>>>>> which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
>>>>>>> which does not get filtered?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Antony.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi, Anthony,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how
>>>>>>>> they're supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I can
>>>>>>>> be. The header isaudioourplace.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Can you give us an example of an email which did not get filtered,
>>>>>>>>> along with the rule which you expected to filter it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see whichever
>>>>>>>>> part the filter was supposed to act on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't - such
>>>>>>>>> as the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at the end
>>>>>>>>> don't, etc?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are
>>>>>>>>> never filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do
>>>>>>>>> nothing, or are you saying that some emails get filtered by the
>>>>>>>>> rule they're supposd to match and other emails do not get filtered
>>>>>>>>> by the same rule?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Antony.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Only some of them got filtered.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some of
>>>>>>>>>>> them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are not, I'd
>>>>>>>>>>> check the headers of a filtered message and an unfiltered one to
>>>>>>>>>>> see if there are any differences. I see you use the to: field. If
>>>>>>>>>>> somebody replies to a person and has the list address in the cc:
>>>>>>>>>>> field, then obviously it won't get filtered. These are the kinds
>>>>>>>>>>> of things to start checking for. If you have a case like that,
>>>>>>>>>>> you might need to set up two or three rules for the list to make
>>>>>>>>>>> sure every message gets filtered and moved to its folder.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Gene,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the
>>>>>>>>>>>> music list I'm on as an example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's the music list I'm on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new
>>>>>>>>>>>> messages" or something like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to"
>>>>>>>>>>>> field.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit
>>>>>>>>>>>> box and typed audioourplace@...
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:audioourplace@...>.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the music list and hit enter on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new
>>>>>>>>>>>> rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages from that
>>>>>>>>>>>> list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem could be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rosemarie
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On
>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Gene
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> work? Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to
>>>>>>>>>>>> look for where you tell it to look?  Are you sure the spelling
>>>>>>>>>>>> is exactly correct for every item you are using?  I'm not sure
>>>>>>>>>>>> what else might account for some of the rules not working.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that
>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error.  That
>>>>>>>>>>>> is tedious but it may work.  It might be much faster and more
>>>>>>>>>>>> likely to find the error to work with someone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>          What do you mean some other messages from other lists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>          If your rule only applies to messages with one list
>>>>>>>>>>>>          name, then no other messages will be affected.  You
>>>>>>>>>>>>          need to make a separate rule for every list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>>          Gene
>>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>>          ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>>          *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria
>>>>>>>>>>>>          <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>>          *Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>>          *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>>          *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>>          Hi, Robert,
>>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>>          I already did all that. Some other messages from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>          other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>          know what else to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>>          Rosemarie
>>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>>          On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>              subject line is intended to change to avoid
>>>>>>>>>>>>              confusion of the thread. About your concern for
>>>>>>>>>>>>              filtering particular message into your inbox in
>>>>>>>>>>>>              Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your focus
>>>>>>>>>>>>              is located to the message that is not open yet,
>>>>>>>>>>>>              then tab several times till the focus is directed
>>>>>>>>>>>>              in the recipient column. Right click then select
>>>>>>>>>>>>              Create Filter From. The rest of the filters process
>>>>>>>>>>>>              is the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make
>>>>>>>>>>>>              sure you uncheck the filter by manually so that it
>>>>>>>>>>>>              will run automatically into your corresponding
>>>>>>>>>>>>              filtered of your choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>              Robert Mendoza
>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>              On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>                  Hi, John,
>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>                  Let's say you want to run a filter on a message
>>>>>>>>>>>>                  that comes into the inbox. I've pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>                  muchcreated the filters but there are messages
>>>>>>>>>>>>                  till coming into the inbox from other lists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                  How do you run a filter on a message?
>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>                  Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>                  Rosemarie
>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>                  On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      1. Go to the tools menu, pick message
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      filters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      2. Tab to the new button.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      from in the combo box, tell it to match
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      nvda.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      4. For the next two combo boxes, it will
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      and expand them. Just pick whatever you
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      like, I move mine to a folder called nvda
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      that I made.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      5. To make a folder, just pick folder from
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      the new menu in the file menu, do that
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      before you do a filter if you want to move
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      stuff, because the folder has to exist for
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      you to pick it. If you want the folder in
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      the main account, i.e. another folder like
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      inbox, before you make the folder,
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      highlight your account name with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      arrows. If you want everything under your
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      expand folders, highlight your inbox. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      difference is that if you highlight the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      account, you can down arrow, so you'll get
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      usually starts collapsed and you have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      hit right arrow to expand it, then you hit
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      down arrow to get to those folders, you'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      go through whatever you made, then you'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      get back to sent, trash, whatever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      If that's confusing somehow, feel free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      ask questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria
> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>                          Hi, John,
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>                          How do you create filters in thunderbird
>>>>>>>>>>>>                          or do you just delete them after
>>>>>>>>>>>>                          reading or replying to them? Outlook is
>>>>>>>>>>>>                          ok but It's a bit clunky.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>                          Rosemarie
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>                          On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              Microsoft's various mail programs
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              have always been weird though. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              used to use Outlook, the one that
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              came in Office. Then I had to
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              upgrade or migrate machines or
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              whatever. So I exported mail and
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              everything just like you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              supposed to. Got everything
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              installed, imported into the new
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              Outlook. Suddenly none of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              filtering rules to send messages to
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              specific folders would work. So I
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              literally deleted them all and
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              recreated them from scratch, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              they still wouldn't work. That's
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              when I switched to Thunderbird and
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              I've been using it ever since.
>>
>
>




Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Antony Stone
 

Yes, it would help if Rosemarie could tell us exactly what her filtering rule
says, otherwise we're just guessing, based on how we might do it.

Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 23:00:49, Gene wrote:

I don't think that will help. Assuming the correct address is being used,
then the problem may be something like using the from line instead of the
to line in the message rule.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters


I'm not sure but I'll ask the owner.

On 10/26/2017 1:43 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Does that Google group have a publicly-available message archive
somewhere, so we could see the emails on it without having to subscribe?

If so, can you tell us:

a) where the archive can be found

b) the sender, date, time and timezone of two messages:
- one which got filtered by your rule

- one which did not get filtered by your rule

Then we might be able to look at the emessages for ourselves and see if
we can spot a difference, and why your rule might sometimes not be
working.


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:34:29, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Messages not being filtered: audioourplace@googlegroups.com


Messages being filtered: nvda@nvda.groups.io


Hope this helps somewhat.

On 10/26/2017 1:29 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
The same way you found them when you worked out what to look for in the
filter rules?

If you don't know how to find the headers, how did you create the
filter rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:27:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
How do I find the headers?

On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
I can only repeat my request:

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but
some of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.

On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match
some header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which
you expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails
which you expect to have that header are not being filtered.

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the
emails which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of
the emails which does not get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Anthony,


Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how
they're supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I
can be. The header isaudioourplace.

On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Can you give us an example of an email which did not get
filtered, along with the rule which you expected to filter it?

We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see
whichever part the filter was supposed to act on.

Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't -
such as the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at
the end don't, etc?

Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are
never filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do
nothing, or are you saying that some emails get filtered by the
rule they're supposd to match and other emails do not get
filtered by the same rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria
wrote:
Only some of them got filtered.

On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some
of them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are
not, I'd check the headers of a filtered message and an
unfiltered one to see if there are any differences. I see you
use the to: field. If somebody replies to a person and has the
list address in the cc: field, then obviously it won't get
filtered. These are the kinds of things to start checking for.
If you have a case like that, you might need to set up two or
three rules for the list to make sure every message gets
filtered and moved to its folder.

On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the
music list I'm on as an example.

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace.
That's the music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new
messages" or something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the
following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to"
field.

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an
edit box and typed audioourplace@googlegroups.com
<mailto:audioourplace@googlegroups.com>.

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder
for the music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a
new rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it.
The filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages
from that list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem
could be.

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On
Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't
work? Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule
to look for where you tell it to look? Are you sure the
spelling is exactly correct for every item you are using?
I'm not sure what else might account for some of the rules
not working.

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that
doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error.
That is tedious but it may work. It might be much faster and
more likely to find the error to work with someone.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
What do you mean some other messages from other
lists. If your rule only applies to messages with
one list name, then no other messages will be
affected. You need to make a separate rule for
every list.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria
<mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Hi, Robert,

I already did all that. Some other messages from the
other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't
know what else to do.

Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
subject line is intended to change to avoid
confusion of the thread. About your concern for
filtering particular message into your inbox in
Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your
focus is located to the message that is not open
yet, then tab several times till the focus is
directed in the recipient column. Right click
then select Create Filter From. The rest of the
filters process is the same as mentioned below
by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter
by manually so that it will run automatically
into your corresponding filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a
message that comes into the inbox. I've
pretty muchcreated the filters but there are
messages till coming into the inbox from
other lists. How do you run a filter on a
message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message
filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g.
from in the combo box, tell it to match
nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will
probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow
and expand them. Just pick whatever you
like, I move mine to a folder called nvda
that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder
from the new menu in the file menu, do
that before you do a filter if you want
to move stuff, because the folder has to
exist for you to pick it. If you want
the folder in the main account, i.e.
another folder like inbox, before you
make the folder, highlight your account
name with the arrows. If you want
everything under your inbox, so you have
to hit right arrow to expand folders,
highlight your inbox. The difference is
that if you highlight the account, you
can down arrow, so you'll get inbox,
your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If
you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox
usually starts collapsed and you have to
hit right arrow to expand it, then you
hit down arrow to get to those folders,
you'll go through whatever you made,
then you'll get back to sent, trash,
whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to
ask questions.

On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria
wrote:
Hi, John,


How do you create filters in
thunderbird or do you just delete
them after reading or replying to
them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit
clunky.


Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige
wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs
have always been weird though. I
used to use Outlook, the one that
came in Office. Then I had to
upgrade or migrate machines or
whatever. So I exported mail and
everything just like you're
supposed to. Got everything
installed, imported into the new
Outlook. Suddenly none of my
filtering rules to send messages
to specific folders would work.
So I literally deleted them all
and recreated them from scratch,
and they still wouldn't work.
That's when I switched to
Thunderbird and I've been using
it ever since.


Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Gene
 

I don't think that will help.  Assuming the correct address is being used, then the problem may be something like using the from line instead of the to line in the message rule. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I'm not sure but I'll ask the owner.




On 10/26/2017 1:43 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> Does that Google group have a publicly-available message archive somewhere, so
> we could see the emails on it without having to subscribe?
>
> If so, can you tell us:
>
> a) where the archive can be found
>
> b) the sender, date, time and timezone of two messages:
>
>   - one which got filtered by your rule
>
>   - one which did not get filtered by your rule
>
> Then we might be able to look at the emessages for ourselves and see if we can
> spot a difference, and why your rule might sometimes not be working.
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:34:29, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>
>> Messages not being filtered: audioourplace@...
>>
>>
>> Messages being filtered: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps somewhat.
>>
>> On 10/26/2017 1:29 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
>>> The same way you found them when you worked out what to look for in the
>>> filter rules?
>>>
>>> If you don't know how to find the headers, how did you create the filter
>>> rule?
>>>
>>>
>>> Antony.
>>>
>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:27:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>> How do I find the headers?
>>>>
>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
>>>>> I can only repeat my request:
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
>>>>> which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
>>>>> which does not get filtered?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Antony.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>> I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but some
>>>>>> of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
>>>>>>> So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match
>>>>>>> some header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which
>>>>>>> you expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails
>>>>>>> which you expect to have that header are not being filtered.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
>>>>>>> which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
>>>>>>> which does not get filtered?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Antony.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi, Anthony,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how
>>>>>>>> they're supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I can
>>>>>>>> be. The header isaudioourplace.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Can you give us an example of an email which did not get filtered,
>>>>>>>>> along with the rule which you expected to filter it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see whichever
>>>>>>>>> part the filter was supposed to act on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't - such
>>>>>>>>> as the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at the end
>>>>>>>>> don't, etc?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are
>>>>>>>>> never filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do
>>>>>>>>> nothing, or are you saying that some emails get filtered by the
>>>>>>>>> rule they're supposd to match and other emails do not get filtered
>>>>>>>>> by the same rule?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Antony.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Only some of them got filtered.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some of
>>>>>>>>>>> them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are not, I'd
>>>>>>>>>>> check the headers of a filtered message and an unfiltered one to
>>>>>>>>>>> see if there are any differences. I see you use the to: field. If
>>>>>>>>>>> somebody replies to a person and has the list address in the cc:
>>>>>>>>>>> field, then obviously it won't get filtered. These are the kinds
>>>>>>>>>>> of things to start checking for. If you have a case like that,
>>>>>>>>>>> you might need to set up two or three rules for the list to make
>>>>>>>>>>> sure every message gets filtered and moved to its folder.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Gene,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the
>>>>>>>>>>>> music list I'm on as an example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's the music list I'm on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new
>>>>>>>>>>>> messages" or something like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to"
>>>>>>>>>>>> field.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit
>>>>>>>>>>>> box and typed audioourplace@...
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:audioourplace@...>.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the music list and hit enter on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new
>>>>>>>>>>>> rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages from that
>>>>>>>>>>>> list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem could be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rosemarie
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On
>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Gene
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> work? Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to
>>>>>>>>>>>> look for where you tell it to look?  Are you sure the spelling
>>>>>>>>>>>> is exactly correct for every item you are using?  I'm not sure
>>>>>>>>>>>> what else might account for some of the rules not working.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that
>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error.  That
>>>>>>>>>>>> is tedious but it may work.  It might be much faster and more
>>>>>>>>>>>> likely to find the error to work with someone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>          What do you mean some other messages from other lists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>          If your rule only applies to messages with one list
>>>>>>>>>>>>          name, then no other messages will be affected.  You
>>>>>>>>>>>>          need to make a separate rule for every list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>>          Gene
>>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>>          ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>>          *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria
>>>>>>>>>>>>          <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>>          *Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>>          *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>>          *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>>          Hi, Robert,
>>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>>          I already did all that. Some other messages from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>          other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>          know what else to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>>          Rosemarie
>>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>>          On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>              subject line is intended to change to avoid
>>>>>>>>>>>>              confusion of the thread. About your concern for
>>>>>>>>>>>>              filtering particular message into your inbox in
>>>>>>>>>>>>              Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your focus
>>>>>>>>>>>>              is located to the message that is not open yet,
>>>>>>>>>>>>              then tab several times till the focus is directed
>>>>>>>>>>>>              in the recipient column. Right click then select
>>>>>>>>>>>>              Create Filter From. The rest of the filters process
>>>>>>>>>>>>              is the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make
>>>>>>>>>>>>              sure you uncheck the filter by manually so that it
>>>>>>>>>>>>              will run automatically into your corresponding
>>>>>>>>>>>>              filtered of your choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>              Robert Mendoza
>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>              On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>                  Hi, John,
>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>                  Let's say you want to run a filter on a message
>>>>>>>>>>>>                  that comes into the inbox. I've pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>                  muchcreated the filters but there are messages
>>>>>>>>>>>>                  till coming into the inbox from other lists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                  How do you run a filter on a message?
>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>                  Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>                  Rosemarie
>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>                  On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      1. Go to the tools menu, pick message
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      filters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      2. Tab to the new button.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      from in the combo box, tell it to match
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      nvda.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      4. For the next two combo boxes, it will
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      and expand them. Just pick whatever you
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      like, I move mine to a folder called nvda
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      that I made.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      5. To make a folder, just pick folder from
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      the new menu in the file menu, do that
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      before you do a filter if you want to move
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      stuff, because the folder has to exist for
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      you to pick it. If you want the folder in
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      the main account, i.e. another folder like
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      inbox, before you make the folder,
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      highlight your account name with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      arrows. If you want everything under your
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      expand folders, highlight your inbox. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      difference is that if you highlight the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      account, you can down arrow, so you'll get
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      usually starts collapsed and you have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      hit right arrow to expand it, then you hit
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      down arrow to get to those folders, you'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      go through whatever you made, then you'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      get back to sent, trash, whatever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      If that's confusing somehow, feel free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      ask questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria
> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>                          Hi, John,
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>                          How do you create filters in thunderbird
>>>>>>>>>>>>                          or do you just delete them after
>>>>>>>>>>>>                          reading or replying to them? Outlook is
>>>>>>>>>>>>                          ok but It's a bit clunky.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>                          Rosemarie
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>                          On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              Microsoft's various mail programs
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              have always been weird though. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              used to use Outlook, the one that
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              came in Office. Then I had to
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              upgrade or migrate machines or
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              whatever. So I exported mail and
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              everything just like you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              supposed to. Got everything
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              installed, imported into the new
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              Outlook. Suddenly none of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              filtering rules to send messages to
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              specific folders would work. So I
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              literally deleted them all and
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              recreated them from scratch, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              they still wouldn't work. That's
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              when I switched to Thunderbird and
>>>>>>>>>>>>                              I've been using it ever since.
>>
>
>




Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Gene
 

Are you using the from line or the to line to set up filters?  Most e-mail lists don't use the address in the from line.  the from line usually is the name and perhaps the address of the sender.  E-mail lists usually use the to line for their address.  Does the message rule dialog allow you to place an address in the to line? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Messages not being filtered: audioourplace@...


Messages being filtered: nvda@nvda.groups.io


Hope this helps somewhat.




On 10/26/2017 1:29 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> The same way you found them when you worked out what to look for in the filter
> rules?
>
> If you don't know how to find the headers, how did you create the filter rule?
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:27:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>
>> How do I find the headers?
>>
>> On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
>>> I can only repeat my request:
>>>
>>> Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
>>> which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
>>> which does not get filtered?
>>>
>>>
>>> Antony.
>>>
>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>> I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but some
>>>> of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
>>>>> So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match
>>>>> some header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which
>>>>> you expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails
>>>>> which you expect to have that header are not being filtered.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
>>>>> which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
>>>>> which does not get filtered?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Antony.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>> Hi, Anthony,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how they're
>>>>>> supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I can be. The
>>>>>> header isaudioourplace.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
>>>>>>> Can you give us an example of an email which did not get filtered,
>>>>>>> along with the rule which you expected to filter it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see whichever
>>>>>>> part the filter was supposed to act on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't - such
>>>>>>> as the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at the end
>>>>>>> don't, etc?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are
>>>>>>> never filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do
>>>>>>> nothing, or are you saying that some emails get filtered by the rule
>>>>>>> they're supposd to match and other emails do not get filtered by the
>>>>>>> same rule?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Antony.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>> Only some of them got filtered.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some of
>>>>>>>>> them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are not, I'd
>>>>>>>>> check the headers of a filtered message and an unfiltered one to
>>>>>>>>> see if there are any differences. I see you use the to: field. If
>>>>>>>>> somebody replies to a person and has the list address in the cc:
>>>>>>>>> field, then obviously it won't get filtered. These are the kinds
>>>>>>>>> of things to start checking for. If you have a case like that, you
>>>>>>>>> might need to set up two or three rules for the list to make sure
>>>>>>>>> every message gets filtered and moved to its folder.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Gene,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the music
>>>>>>>>>> list I'm on as an example.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace. That's
>>>>>>>>>> the music list I'm on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new messages"
>>>>>>>>>> or something like that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the
>>>>>>>>>> following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to"
>>>>>>>>>> field.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit
>>>>>>>>>> box and typed audioourplace@...
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:audioourplace@...>.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for
>>>>>>>>>> the music list and hit enter on it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new
>>>>>>>>>> rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The
>>>>>>>>>> filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages from that
>>>>>>>>>> list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem could be.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rosemarie
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
>>>>>>>>>> Of *Gene
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't
>>>>>>>>>> work? Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to
>>>>>>>>>> look for where you tell it to look?  Are you sure the spelling is
>>>>>>>>>> exactly correct for every item you are using?  I'm not sure what
>>>>>>>>>> else might account for some of the rules not working.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error.  That
>>>>>>>>>> is tedious but it may work.  It might be much faster and more
>>>>>>>>>> likely to find the error to work with someone.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>         What do you mean some other messages from other lists.  If
>>>>>>>>>>         your rule only applies to messages with one list name, then
>>>>>>>>>>         no other messages will be affected.  You need to make a
>>>>>>>>>>         separate rule for every list.
>>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>         Gene
>>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>         ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>         *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
>>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>         *Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM
>>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>         *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>         *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>         Hi, Robert,
>>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>         I already did all that. Some other messages from the other
>>>>>>>>>>         lists are still going into the inbox. I don't know what
>>>>>>>>>>         else to do.
>>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>         Rosemarie
>>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>         On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>             subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion
>>>>>>>>>>             of the thread. About your concern for filtering
>>>>>>>>>>             particular message into your inbox in Thunderbird. you
>>>>>>>>>>             have to make sure that your focus is located to the
>>>>>>>>>>             message that is not open yet, then tab several times
>>>>>>>>>>             till the focus is directed in the recipient column.
>>>>>>>>>>             Right click then select Create Filter From. The rest
>>>>>>>>>>             of the filters process is the same as mentioned below
>>>>>>>>>>             by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by
>>>>>>>>>>             manually so that it will run automatically into your
>>>>>>>>>>             corresponding filtered of your choice.
>>>>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>>>>             Robert Mendoza
>>>>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>>>>             On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>                 Hi, John,
>>>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>>>                 Let's say you want to run a filter on a message
>>>>>>>>>>                 that comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated
>>>>>>>>>>                 the filters but there are messages till coming
>>>>>>>>>>                 into the inbox from other lists. How do you run a
>>>>>>>>>>                 filter on a message?
>>>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>>>                 Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>>>                 Rosemarie
>>>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>>>                 On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>                     1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>                     2. Tab to the new button.
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>                     3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from
>>>>>>>>>>                     in the combo box, tell it to match nvda.
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>                     4. For the next two combo boxes, it will
>>>>>>>>>>                     probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow and
>>>>>>>>>>                     expand them. Just pick whatever you like, I
>>>>>>>>>>                     move mine to a folder called nvda that I made.
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>                     5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the
>>>>>>>>>>                     new menu in the file menu, do that before you
>>>>>>>>>>                     do a filter if you want to move stuff, because
>>>>>>>>>>                     the folder has to exist for you to pick it. If
>>>>>>>>>>                     you want the folder in the main account, i.e.
>>>>>>>>>>                     another folder like inbox, before you make the
>>>>>>>>>>                     folder, highlight your account name with the
>>>>>>>>>>                     arrows. If you want everything under your
>>>>>>>>>>                     inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to
>>>>>>>>>>                     expand folders, highlight your inbox. The
>>>>>>>>>>                     difference is that if you highlight the
>>>>>>>>>>                     account, you can down arrow, so you'll get
>>>>>>>>>>                     inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If
>>>>>>>>>>                     you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox
>>>>>>>>>>                     usually starts collapsed and you have to hit
>>>>>>>>>>                     right arrow to expand it, then you hit down
>>>>>>>>>>                     arrow to get to those folders, you'll go
>>>>>>>>>>                     through whatever you made, then you'll get
>>>>>>>>>>                     back to sent, trash, whatever.
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>                     If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask
>>>>>>>>>>                     questions.
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>                     On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>                         Hi, John,
>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>                         How do you create filters in thunderbird or
>>>>>>>>>>                         do you just delete them after reading or
>>>>>>>>>>                         replying to them? Outlook is ok but It's a
>>>>>>>>>>                         bit clunky.
>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>                         Rosemarie
>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>                         On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>                             Microsoft's various mail programs have
>>>>>>>>>>                             always been weird though. I used to use
>>>>>>>>>>                             Outlook, the one that came in Office.
>>>>>>>>>>                             Then I had to upgrade or migrate
>>>>>>>>>>                             machines or whatever. So I exported
>>>>>>>>>>                             mail and everything just like you're
>>>>>>>>>>                             supposed to. Got everything installed,
>>>>>>>>>>                             imported into the new Outlook.
>>>>>>>>>>                             Suddenly none of my filtering rules to
>>>>>>>>>>                             send messages to specific folders
>>>>>>>>>>                             would work. So I literally deleted
>>>>>>>>>>                             them all and recreated them from
>>>>>>>>>>                             scratch, and they still wouldn't work.
>>>>>>>>>>                             That's when I switched to Thunderbird
>>>>>>>>>>                             and I've been using it ever since.
>>
>
>




Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Some do and some don't.

On 10/26/2017 1:47 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Sorry, I just need to clarify something again.

Are you saying that NO messages from audioourplace@googlegroups.com get
filtered, or are you saying that some do and some don't?

It's important for us to understand whether you are saying that one of your
rules always works and another one never works, or whether you are saying that
one rule sometimes works and sometimes doesn't.


Thanks,


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:34:29, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Messages not being filtered: audioourplace@googlegroups.com


Messages being filtered: nvda@nvda.groups.io


Hope this helps somewhat.

On 10/26/2017 1:29 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
The same way you found them when you worked out what to look for in the
filter rules?

If you don't know how to find the headers, how did you create the filter
rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:27:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
How do I find the headers?

On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
I can only repeat my request:

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but some
of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.

On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match
some header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which
you expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails
which you expect to have that header are not being filtered.

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Anthony,


Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how
they're supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I can
be. The header isaudioourplace.

On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Can you give us an example of an email which did not get filtered,
along with the rule which you expected to filter it?

We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see whichever
part the filter was supposed to act on.

Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't - such
as the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at the end
don't, etc?

Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are
never filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do
nothing, or are you saying that some emails get filtered by the
rule they're supposd to match and other emails do not get filtered
by the same rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Only some of them got filtered.

On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some of
them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are not, I'd
check the headers of a filtered message and an unfiltered one to
see if there are any differences. I see you use the to: field. If
somebody replies to a person and has the list address in the cc:
field, then obviously it won't get filtered. These are the kinds
of things to start checking for. If you have a case like that,
you might need to set up two or three rules for the list to make
sure every message gets filtered and moved to its folder.

On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the
music list I'm on as an example.

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace.
That's the music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new
messages" or something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the
following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to"
field.

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit
box and typed audioourplace@googlegroups.com
<mailto:audioourplace@googlegroups.com>.

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for
the music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new
rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The
filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages from that
list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem could be.

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On
Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't
work? Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to
look for where you tell it to look? Are you sure the spelling
is exactly correct for every item you are using? I'm not sure
what else might account for some of the rules not working.

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that
doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error. That
is tedious but it may work. It might be much faster and more
likely to find the error to work with someone.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
What do you mean some other messages from other lists.
If your rule only applies to messages with one list
name, then no other messages will be affected. You
need to make a separate rule for every list.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria
<mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
*Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
Hi, Robert,
I already did all that. Some other messages from the
other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't
know what else to do.
Rosemarie
On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
subject line is intended to change to avoid
confusion of the thread. About your concern for
filtering particular message into your inbox in
Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your focus
is located to the message that is not open yet,
then tab several times till the focus is directed
in the recipient column. Right click then select
Create Filter From. The rest of the filters process
is the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make
sure you uncheck the filter by manually so that it
will run automatically into your corresponding
filtered of your choice.
Robert Mendoza
On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,
Let's say you want to run a filter on a message
that comes into the inbox. I've pretty
muchcreated the filters but there are messages
till coming into the inbox from other lists.
How do you run a filter on a message?
Thanks.
Rosemarie
On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message
filters.
2. Tab to the new button.
3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g.
from in the combo box, tell it to match
nvda.
4. For the next two combo boxes, it will
probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow
and expand them. Just pick whatever you
like, I move mine to a folder called nvda
that I made.
5. To make a folder, just pick folder from
the new menu in the file menu, do that
before you do a filter if you want to move
stuff, because the folder has to exist for
you to pick it. If you want the folder in
the main account, i.e. another folder like
inbox, before you make the folder,
highlight your account name with the
arrows. If you want everything under your
inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to
expand folders, highlight your inbox. The
difference is that if you highlight the
account, you can down arrow, so you'll get
inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever.
If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox
usually starts collapsed and you have to
hit right arrow to expand it, then you hit
down arrow to get to those folders, you'll
go through whatever you made, then you'll
get back to sent, trash, whatever.
If that's confusing somehow, feel free to
ask questions.
On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria
wrote:
Hi, John,
How do you create filters in thunderbird
or do you just delete them after
reading or replying to them? Outlook is
ok but It's a bit clunky.
Rosemarie
On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs
have always been weird though. I
used to use Outlook, the one that
came in Office. Then I had to
upgrade or migrate machines or
whatever. So I exported mail and
everything just like you're
supposed to. Got everything
installed, imported into the new
Outlook. Suddenly none of my
filtering rules to send messages to
specific folders would work. So I
literally deleted them all and
recreated them from scratch, and
they still wouldn't work. That's
when I switched to Thunderbird and
I've been using it ever since.


to Gene NZ

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene NZ.


Could you please write me off list? I'm having a dilly of a time trying to get messages to their proper folders. I've followed all your directions and even listened to the tutorial but I don't know what's going on. What am I missing?


Thanks in advance.


Rosemarie


Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Antony Stone
 

Sorry, I just need to clarify something again.

Are you saying that NO messages from audioourplace@googlegroups.com get
filtered, or are you saying that some do and some don't?

It's important for us to understand whether you are saying that one of your
rules always works and another one never works, or whether you are saying that
one rule sometimes works and sometimes doesn't.


Thanks,


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:34:29, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Messages not being filtered: audioourplace@googlegroups.com


Messages being filtered: nvda@nvda.groups.io


Hope this helps somewhat.

On 10/26/2017 1:29 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
The same way you found them when you worked out what to look for in the
filter rules?

If you don't know how to find the headers, how did you create the filter
rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:27:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
How do I find the headers?

On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
I can only repeat my request:

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but some
of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.

On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match
some header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which
you expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails
which you expect to have that header are not being filtered.

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Anthony,


Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how
they're supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I can
be. The header isaudioourplace.

On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Can you give us an example of an email which did not get filtered,
along with the rule which you expected to filter it?

We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see whichever
part the filter was supposed to act on.

Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't - such
as the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at the end
don't, etc?

Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are
never filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do
nothing, or are you saying that some emails get filtered by the
rule they're supposd to match and other emails do not get filtered
by the same rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Only some of them got filtered.

On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some of
them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are not, I'd
check the headers of a filtered message and an unfiltered one to
see if there are any differences. I see you use the to: field. If
somebody replies to a person and has the list address in the cc:
field, then obviously it won't get filtered. These are the kinds
of things to start checking for. If you have a case like that,
you might need to set up two or three rules for the list to make
sure every message gets filtered and moved to its folder.

On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the
music list I'm on as an example.

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace.
That's the music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new
messages" or something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the
following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to"
field.

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit
box and typed audioourplace@googlegroups.com
<mailto:audioourplace@googlegroups.com>.

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for
the music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new
rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The
filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages from that
list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem could be.

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On
Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't
work? Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to
look for where you tell it to look? Are you sure the spelling
is exactly correct for every item you are using? I'm not sure
what else might account for some of the rules not working.

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that
doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error. That
is tedious but it may work. It might be much faster and more
likely to find the error to work with someone.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
What do you mean some other messages from other lists.
If your rule only applies to messages with one list
name, then no other messages will be affected. You
need to make a separate rule for every list.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria
<mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Hi, Robert,

I already did all that. Some other messages from the
other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't
know what else to do.

Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
subject line is intended to change to avoid
confusion of the thread. About your concern for
filtering particular message into your inbox in
Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your focus
is located to the message that is not open yet,
then tab several times till the focus is directed
in the recipient column. Right click then select
Create Filter From. The rest of the filters process
is the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make
sure you uncheck the filter by manually so that it
will run automatically into your corresponding
filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message
that comes into the inbox. I've pretty
muchcreated the filters but there are messages
till coming into the inbox from other lists.
How do you run a filter on a message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message
filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g.
from in the combo box, tell it to match
nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will
probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow
and expand them. Just pick whatever you
like, I move mine to a folder called nvda
that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from
the new menu in the file menu, do that
before you do a filter if you want to move
stuff, because the folder has to exist for
you to pick it. If you want the folder in
the main account, i.e. another folder like
inbox, before you make the folder,
highlight your account name with the
arrows. If you want everything under your
inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to
expand folders, highlight your inbox. The
difference is that if you highlight the
account, you can down arrow, so you'll get
inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever.
If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox
usually starts collapsed and you have to
hit right arrow to expand it, then you hit
down arrow to get to those folders, you'll
go through whatever you made, then you'll
get back to sent, trash, whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to
ask questions.

On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria
wrote:
Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird
or do you just delete them after
reading or replying to them? Outlook is
ok but It's a bit clunky.


Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs
have always been weird though. I
used to use Outlook, the one that
came in Office. Then I had to
upgrade or migrate machines or
whatever. So I exported mail and
everything just like you're
supposed to. Got everything
installed, imported into the new
Outlook. Suddenly none of my
filtering rules to send messages to
specific folders would work. So I
literally deleted them all and
recreated them from scratch, and
they still wouldn't work. That's
when I switched to Thunderbird and
I've been using it ever since.


Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I'm not sure but I'll ask the owner.

On 10/26/2017 1:43 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Does that Google group have a publicly-available message archive somewhere, so
we could see the emails on it without having to subscribe?

If so, can you tell us:

a) where the archive can be found

b) the sender, date, time and timezone of two messages:

- one which got filtered by your rule

- one which did not get filtered by your rule

Then we might be able to look at the emessages for ourselves and see if we can
spot a difference, and why your rule might sometimes not be working.


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:34:29, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Messages not being filtered: audioourplace@googlegroups.com


Messages being filtered: nvda@nvda.groups.io


Hope this helps somewhat.

On 10/26/2017 1:29 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
The same way you found them when you worked out what to look for in the
filter rules?

If you don't know how to find the headers, how did you create the filter
rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:27:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
How do I find the headers?

On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
I can only repeat my request:

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but some
of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.

On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match
some header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which
you expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails
which you expect to have that header are not being filtered.

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Anthony,


Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how
they're supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I can
be. The header isaudioourplace.

On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Can you give us an example of an email which did not get filtered,
along with the rule which you expected to filter it?

We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see whichever
part the filter was supposed to act on.

Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't - such
as the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at the end
don't, etc?

Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are
never filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do
nothing, or are you saying that some emails get filtered by the
rule they're supposd to match and other emails do not get filtered
by the same rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Only some of them got filtered.

On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some of
them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are not, I'd
check the headers of a filtered message and an unfiltered one to
see if there are any differences. I see you use the to: field. If
somebody replies to a person and has the list address in the cc:
field, then obviously it won't get filtered. These are the kinds
of things to start checking for. If you have a case like that,
you might need to set up two or three rules for the list to make
sure every message gets filtered and moved to its folder.

On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the
music list I'm on as an example.

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace.
That's the music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new
messages" or something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the
following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to"
field.

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit
box and typed audioourplace@googlegroups.com
<mailto:audioourplace@googlegroups.com>.

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for
the music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new
rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The
filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages from that
list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem could be.

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On
Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't
work? Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to
look for where you tell it to look? Are you sure the spelling
is exactly correct for every item you are using? I'm not sure
what else might account for some of the rules not working.

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that
doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error. That
is tedious but it may work. It might be much faster and more
likely to find the error to work with someone.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
What do you mean some other messages from other lists.
If your rule only applies to messages with one list
name, then no other messages will be affected. You
need to make a separate rule for every list.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria
<mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
*Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
Hi, Robert,
I already did all that. Some other messages from the
other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't
know what else to do.
Rosemarie
On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
subject line is intended to change to avoid
confusion of the thread. About your concern for
filtering particular message into your inbox in
Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your focus
is located to the message that is not open yet,
then tab several times till the focus is directed
in the recipient column. Right click then select
Create Filter From. The rest of the filters process
is the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make
sure you uncheck the filter by manually so that it
will run automatically into your corresponding
filtered of your choice.
Robert Mendoza
On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,
Let's say you want to run a filter on a message
that comes into the inbox. I've pretty
muchcreated the filters but there are messages
till coming into the inbox from other lists.
How do you run a filter on a message?
Thanks.
Rosemarie
On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message
filters.
2. Tab to the new button.
3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g.
from in the combo box, tell it to match
nvda.
4. For the next two combo boxes, it will
probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow
and expand them. Just pick whatever you
like, I move mine to a folder called nvda
that I made.
5. To make a folder, just pick folder from
the new menu in the file menu, do that
before you do a filter if you want to move
stuff, because the folder has to exist for
you to pick it. If you want the folder in
the main account, i.e. another folder like
inbox, before you make the folder,
highlight your account name with the
arrows. If you want everything under your
inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to
expand folders, highlight your inbox. The
difference is that if you highlight the
account, you can down arrow, so you'll get
inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever.
If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox
usually starts collapsed and you have to
hit right arrow to expand it, then you hit
down arrow to get to those folders, you'll
go through whatever you made, then you'll
get back to sent, trash, whatever.
If that's confusing somehow, feel free to
ask questions.
On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria
wrote:
Hi, John,
How do you create filters in thunderbird
or do you just delete them after
reading or replying to them? Outlook is
ok but It's a bit clunky.
Rosemarie
On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs
have always been weird though. I
used to use Outlook, the one that
came in Office. Then I had to
upgrade or migrate machines or
whatever. So I exported mail and
everything just like you're
supposed to. Got everything
installed, imported into the new
Outlook. Suddenly none of my
filtering rules to send messages to
specific folders would work. So I
literally deleted them all and
recreated them from scratch, and
they still wouldn't work. That's
when I switched to Thunderbird and
I've been using it ever since.


Re: Weather Plus 4.6 25.10.2017 update available

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Hi Adriano,
 
I downloaded the zip file from the link in this e mail.  Since it’s a zip file how do I install it into nvda?  thanks for any help.
 

From: Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Weather Plus 4.6 25.10.2017 update available
 
Hi to every one,
 
Finally fixed the server issues.
It is important that you download it from:
Thanks
 
Cheers
Adriano


Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Antony Stone
 

Does that Google group have a publicly-available message archive somewhere, so
we could see the emails on it without having to subscribe?

If so, can you tell us:

a) where the archive can be found

b) the sender, date, time and timezone of two messages:

- one which got filtered by your rule

- one which did not get filtered by your rule

Then we might be able to look at the emessages for ourselves and see if we can
spot a difference, and why your rule might sometimes not be working.


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:34:29, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Messages not being filtered: audioourplace@googlegroups.com


Messages being filtered: nvda@nvda.groups.io


Hope this helps somewhat.

On 10/26/2017 1:29 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
The same way you found them when you worked out what to look for in the
filter rules?

If you don't know how to find the headers, how did you create the filter
rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:27:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
How do I find the headers?

On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
I can only repeat my request:

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but some
of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.

On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match
some header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which
you expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails
which you expect to have that header are not being filtered.

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Anthony,


Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how
they're supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I can
be. The header isaudioourplace.

On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Can you give us an example of an email which did not get filtered,
along with the rule which you expected to filter it?

We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see whichever
part the filter was supposed to act on.

Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't - such
as the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at the end
don't, etc?

Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are
never filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do
nothing, or are you saying that some emails get filtered by the
rule they're supposd to match and other emails do not get filtered
by the same rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Only some of them got filtered.

On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some of
them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are not, I'd
check the headers of a filtered message and an unfiltered one to
see if there are any differences. I see you use the to: field. If
somebody replies to a person and has the list address in the cc:
field, then obviously it won't get filtered. These are the kinds
of things to start checking for. If you have a case like that,
you might need to set up two or three rules for the list to make
sure every message gets filtered and moved to its folder.

On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the
music list I'm on as an example.

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace.
That's the music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new
messages" or something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the
following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to"
field.

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit
box and typed audioourplace@googlegroups.com
<mailto:audioourplace@googlegroups.com>.

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for
the music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new
rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The
filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages from that
list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem could be.

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On
Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't
work? Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to
look for where you tell it to look? Are you sure the spelling
is exactly correct for every item you are using? I'm not sure
what else might account for some of the rules not working.

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that
doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error. That
is tedious but it may work. It might be much faster and more
likely to find the error to work with someone.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
What do you mean some other messages from other lists.
If your rule only applies to messages with one list
name, then no other messages will be affected. You
need to make a separate rule for every list.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria
<mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Hi, Robert,

I already did all that. Some other messages from the
other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't
know what else to do.

Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
subject line is intended to change to avoid
confusion of the thread. About your concern for
filtering particular message into your inbox in
Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your focus
is located to the message that is not open yet,
then tab several times till the focus is directed
in the recipient column. Right click then select
Create Filter From. The rest of the filters process
is the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make
sure you uncheck the filter by manually so that it
will run automatically into your corresponding
filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message
that comes into the inbox. I've pretty
muchcreated the filters but there are messages
till coming into the inbox from other lists.
How do you run a filter on a message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message
filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g.
from in the combo box, tell it to match
nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will
probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow
and expand them. Just pick whatever you
like, I move mine to a folder called nvda
that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from
the new menu in the file menu, do that
before you do a filter if you want to move
stuff, because the folder has to exist for
you to pick it. If you want the folder in
the main account, i.e. another folder like
inbox, before you make the folder,
highlight your account name with the
arrows. If you want everything under your
inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to
expand folders, highlight your inbox. The
difference is that if you highlight the
account, you can down arrow, so you'll get
inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever.
If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox
usually starts collapsed and you have to
hit right arrow to expand it, then you hit
down arrow to get to those folders, you'll
go through whatever you made, then you'll
get back to sent, trash, whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to
ask questions.

On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria
wrote:
Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird
or do you just delete them after
reading or replying to them? Outlook is
ok but It's a bit clunky.


Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs
have always been weird though. I
used to use Outlook, the one that
came in Office. Then I had to
upgrade or migrate machines or
whatever. So I exported mail and
everything just like you're
supposed to. Got everything
installed, imported into the new
Outlook. Suddenly none of my
filtering rules to send messages to
specific folders would work. So I
literally deleted them all and
recreated them from scratch, and
they still wouldn't work. That's
when I switched to Thunderbird and
I've been using it ever since.


Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Messages not being filtered: audioourplace@googlegroups.com


Messages being filtered: nvda@nvda.groups.io


Hope this helps somewhat.

On 10/26/2017 1:29 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
The same way you found them when you worked out what to look for in the filter
rules?

If you don't know how to find the headers, how did you create the filter rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:27:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

How do I find the headers?

On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
I can only repeat my request:

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but some
of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.

On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match
some header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which
you expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails
which you expect to have that header are not being filtered.

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Anthony,


Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how they're
supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I can be. The
header isaudioourplace.

On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Can you give us an example of an email which did not get filtered,
along with the rule which you expected to filter it?

We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see whichever
part the filter was supposed to act on.

Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't - such
as the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at the end
don't, etc?

Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are
never filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do
nothing, or are you saying that some emails get filtered by the rule
they're supposd to match and other emails do not get filtered by the
same rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Only some of them got filtered.

On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some of
them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are not, I'd
check the headers of a filtered message and an unfiltered one to
see if there are any differences. I see you use the to: field. If
somebody replies to a person and has the list address in the cc:
field, then obviously it won't get filtered. These are the kinds
of things to start checking for. If you have a case like that, you
might need to set up two or three rules for the list to make sure
every message gets filtered and moved to its folder.

On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the music
list I'm on as an example.

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace. That's
the music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new messages"
or something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the
following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to"
field.

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit
box and typed audioourplace@googlegroups.com
<mailto:audioourplace@googlegroups.com>.

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for
the music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new
rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The
filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages from that
list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem could be.

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of *Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't
work? Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to
look for where you tell it to look? Are you sure the spelling is
exactly correct for every item you are using? I'm not sure what
else might account for some of the rules not working.

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that
doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error. That
is tedious but it may work. It might be much faster and more
likely to find the error to work with someone.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
What do you mean some other messages from other lists. If
your rule only applies to messages with one list name, then
no other messages will be affected. You need to make a
separate rule for every list.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
*Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
Hi, Robert,
I already did all that. Some other messages from the other
lists are still going into the inbox. I don't know what
else to do.
Rosemarie
On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion
of the thread. About your concern for filtering
particular message into your inbox in Thunderbird. you
have to make sure that your focus is located to the
message that is not open yet, then tab several times
till the focus is directed in the recipient column.
Right click then select Create Filter From. The rest
of the filters process is the same as mentioned below
by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by
manually so that it will run automatically into your
corresponding filtered of your choice.
Robert Mendoza
On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,
Let's say you want to run a filter on a message
that comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated
the filters but there are messages till coming
into the inbox from other lists. How do you run a
filter on a message?
Thanks.
Rosemarie
On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.
2. Tab to the new button.
3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from
in the combo box, tell it to match nvda.
4. For the next two combo boxes, it will
probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow and
expand them. Just pick whatever you like, I
move mine to a folder called nvda that I made.
5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the
new menu in the file menu, do that before you
do a filter if you want to move stuff, because
the folder has to exist for you to pick it. If
you want the folder in the main account, i.e.
another folder like inbox, before you make the
folder, highlight your account name with the
arrows. If you want everything under your
inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to
expand folders, highlight your inbox. The
difference is that if you highlight the
account, you can down arrow, so you'll get
inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If
you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox
usually starts collapsed and you have to hit
right arrow to expand it, then you hit down
arrow to get to those folders, you'll go
through whatever you made, then you'll get
back to sent, trash, whatever.
If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask
questions.
On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,
How do you create filters in thunderbird or
do you just delete them after reading or
replying to them? Outlook is ok but It's a
bit clunky.
Rosemarie
On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs have
always been weird though. I used to use
Outlook, the one that came in Office.
Then I had to upgrade or migrate
machines or whatever. So I exported
mail and everything just like you're
supposed to. Got everything installed,
imported into the new Outlook.
Suddenly none of my filtering rules to
send messages to specific folders
would work. So I literally deleted
them all and recreated them from
scratch, and they still wouldn't work.
That's when I switched to Thunderbird
and I've been using it ever since.


Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Antony Stone
 

The same way you found them when you worked out what to look for in the filter
rules?

If you don't know how to find the headers, how did you create the filter rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:27:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

How do I find the headers?

On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
I can only repeat my request:

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but some
of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.

On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match
some header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which
you expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails
which you expect to have that header are not being filtered.

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Anthony,


Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how they're
supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I can be. The
header isaudioourplace.

On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Can you give us an example of an email which did not get filtered,
along with the rule which you expected to filter it?

We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see whichever
part the filter was supposed to act on.

Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't - such
as the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at the end
don't, etc?

Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are
never filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do
nothing, or are you saying that some emails get filtered by the rule
they're supposd to match and other emails do not get filtered by the
same rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Only some of them got filtered.

On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some of
them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are not, I'd
check the headers of a filtered message and an unfiltered one to
see if there are any differences. I see you use the to: field. If
somebody replies to a person and has the list address in the cc:
field, then obviously it won't get filtered. These are the kinds
of things to start checking for. If you have a case like that, you
might need to set up two or three rules for the list to make sure
every message gets filtered and moved to its folder.

On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the music
list I'm on as an example.

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace. That's
the music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new messages"
or something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the
following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to"
field.

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit
box and typed audioourplace@googlegroups.com
<mailto:audioourplace@googlegroups.com>.

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for
the music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new
rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The
filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages from that
list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem could be.

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of *Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't
work? Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to
look for where you tell it to look? Are you sure the spelling is
exactly correct for every item you are using? I'm not sure what
else might account for some of the rules not working.

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that
doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error. That
is tedious but it may work. It might be much faster and more
likely to find the error to work with someone.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
What do you mean some other messages from other lists. If
your rule only applies to messages with one list name, then
no other messages will be affected. You need to make a
separate rule for every list.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Hi, Robert,

I already did all that. Some other messages from the other
lists are still going into the inbox. I don't know what
else to do.

Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion
of the thread. About your concern for filtering
particular message into your inbox in Thunderbird. you
have to make sure that your focus is located to the
message that is not open yet, then tab several times
till the focus is directed in the recipient column.
Right click then select Create Filter From. The rest
of the filters process is the same as mentioned below
by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by
manually so that it will run automatically into your
corresponding filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message
that comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated
the filters but there are messages till coming
into the inbox from other lists. How do you run a
filter on a message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from
in the combo box, tell it to match nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will
probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow and
expand them. Just pick whatever you like, I
move mine to a folder called nvda that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the
new menu in the file menu, do that before you
do a filter if you want to move stuff, because
the folder has to exist for you to pick it. If
you want the folder in the main account, i.e.
another folder like inbox, before you make the
folder, highlight your account name with the
arrows. If you want everything under your
inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to
expand folders, highlight your inbox. The
difference is that if you highlight the
account, you can down arrow, so you'll get
inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If
you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox
usually starts collapsed and you have to hit
right arrow to expand it, then you hit down
arrow to get to those folders, you'll go
through whatever you made, then you'll get
back to sent, trash, whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask
questions.

On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird or
do you just delete them after reading or
replying to them? Outlook is ok but It's a
bit clunky.


Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs have
always been weird though. I used to use
Outlook, the one that came in Office.
Then I had to upgrade or migrate
machines or whatever. So I exported
mail and everything just like you're
supposed to. Got everything installed,
imported into the new Outlook.
Suddenly none of my filtering rules to
send messages to specific folders
would work. So I literally deleted
them all and recreated them from
scratch, and they still wouldn't work.
That's when I switched to Thunderbird
and I've been using it ever since.


Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

How do I find the headers?

On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
I can only repeat my request:

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails which
does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails which does not
get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but some
of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.

On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match some
header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which you
expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails which
you expect to have that header are not being filtered.

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Anthony,


Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how they're
supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I can be. The
header isaudioourplace.

On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Can you give us an example of an email which did not get filtered,
along with the rule which you expected to filter it?

We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see whichever
part the filter was supposed to act on.

Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't - such as
the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at the end don't,
etc?

Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are never
filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do nothing, or
are you saying that some emails get filtered by the rule they're
supposd to match and other emails do not get filtered by the same
rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Only some of them got filtered.

On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some of
them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are not, I'd
check the headers of a filtered message and an unfiltered one to see
if there are any differences. I see you use the to: field. If
somebody replies to a person and has the list address in the cc:
field, then obviously it won't get filtered. These are the kinds of
things to start checking for. If you have a case like that, you
might need to set up two or three rules for the list to make sure
every message gets filtered and moved to its folder.

On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the music
list I'm on as an example.

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace. That's
the music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new messages"
or something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the following"
and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to" field.

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit box
and typed audioourplace@googlegroups.com
<mailto:audioourplace@googlegroups.com>.

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for the
music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new
rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The
filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages from that
list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem could be.

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of *Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't work?
Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to look for
where you tell it to look? Are you sure the spelling is exactly
correct for every item you are using? I'm not sure what else might
account for some of the rules not working.

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that doesn't
work, that someone will be able to find the error. That is tedious
but it may work. It might be much faster and more likely to find
the error to work with someone.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
What do you mean some other messages from other lists. If
your rule only applies to messages with one list name, then
no other messages will be affected. You need to make a
separate rule for every list.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
*Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
Hi, Robert,
I already did all that. Some other messages from the other
lists are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else
to do.
Rosemarie
On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of
the thread. About your concern for filtering particular
message into your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make
sure that your focus is located to the message that is
not open yet, then tab several times till the focus is
directed in the recipient column. Right click then select
Create Filter From. The rest of the filters process is
the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make sure you
uncheck the filter by manually so that it will run
automatically into your corresponding filtered of your
choice.
Robert Mendoza
On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,
Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that
comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the
filters but there are messages till coming into the
inbox from other lists. How do you run a filter on a
message?
Thanks.
Rosemarie
On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.
2. Tab to the new button.
3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in
the combo box, tell it to match nvda.
4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably
be easiest to hit alt-down arrow and expand them.
Just pick whatever you like, I move mine to a
folder called nvda that I made.
5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new
menu in the file menu, do that before you do a
filter if you want to move stuff, because the
folder has to exist for you to pick it. If you
want the folder in the main account, i.e. another
folder like inbox, before you make the folder,
highlight your account name with the arrows. If
you want everything under your inbox, so you have
to hit right arrow to expand folders, highlight
your inbox. The difference is that if you
highlight the account, you can down arrow, so
you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash,
whatever. If you do it highlighting the inbox,
inbox usually starts collapsed and you have to
hit right arrow to expand it, then you hit down
arrow to get to those folders, you'll go through
whatever you made, then you'll get back to sent,
trash, whatever.
If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask
questions.
On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,
How do you create filters in thunderbird or do
you just delete them after reading or replying
to them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit clunky.
Rosemarie
On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs have
always been weird though. I used to use
Outlook, the one that came in Office.
Then I had to upgrade or migrate machines
or whatever. So I exported mail and
everything just like you're supposed to.
Got everything installed, imported into
the new Outlook. Suddenly none of my
filtering rules to send messages to
specific folders would work. So I
literally deleted them all and recreated
them from scratch, and they still
wouldn't work. That's when I switched to
Thunderbird and I've been using it ever
since.


Re: Code Factory Voices Does Not Remained Installed After Being Registered Several Times

Sarah k Alawami
 

Have you guys contacted the  company and tell them what's going on? If you have what has their response ben?

On Oct 25, 2017, at 9:46 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:

This has happened to me as well. I am concerned that I will run out of installations.

Andy

----- Original Message ----- From: "James Robinson" <jardatalearningcenter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 9:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Code Factory Voices Does Not Remained Installed After Being Registered Several Times


Hello!

I purchased, installed, and registered the CodeFactory Eloquence and
Vocalizer voices into NVDA and, during the times I remain on my PC, the
voices are active and working.  However, after I turn off my computer and
turn it back on again, when I load NVDA, the voices are no longer there and
the system asks me to register them again; I have done this three or four
times; what is going on!

James Robinson  re






Re: heading level spoken

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


You can also set up a profile so it works say in word but not in your browsers etc Except it would be 3 profiles.


I like the idea of them as i turn off tables when on the net but use them else where.


Same sort of idea.


Gene nz



On 10/27/2017 9:11 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi Gene,
 
Thank you that worked like a charm.
 
From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 5:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] heading level spoken
 

Hi

 

under the document formatting section in NVDA uncheck the reporting of headings in it.

 

Save your settings to take effect if that is what you want.

 

Gene nz

 


On 10/26/2017 10:46 PM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi All,
 
I am using the latest windows and nvda.  For some reason I am hearing the words heading level when I go to some lines.  What setting do I need to change to stop this from happening?  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox

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Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Antony Stone
 

I can only repeat my request:

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails which
does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails which does not
get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but some
of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.

On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match some
header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which you
expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails which
you expect to have that header are not being filtered.

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Anthony,


Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how they're
supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I can be. The
header isaudioourplace.

On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Can you give us an example of an email which did not get filtered,
along with the rule which you expected to filter it?

We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see whichever
part the filter was supposed to act on.

Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't - such as
the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at the end don't,
etc?

Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are never
filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do nothing, or
are you saying that some emails get filtered by the rule they're
supposd to match and other emails do not get filtered by the same
rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Only some of them got filtered.

On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some of
them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are not, I'd
check the headers of a filtered message and an unfiltered one to see
if there are any differences. I see you use the to: field. If
somebody replies to a person and has the list address in the cc:
field, then obviously it won't get filtered. These are the kinds of
things to start checking for. If you have a case like that, you
might need to set up two or three rules for the list to make sure
every message gets filtered and moved to its folder.

On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the music
list I'm on as an example.

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace. That's
the music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new messages"
or something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the following"
and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to" field.

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit box
and typed audioourplace@googlegroups.com
<mailto:audioourplace@googlegroups.com>.

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for the
music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new
rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The
filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages from that
list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem could be.

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of *Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't work?
Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to look for
where you tell it to look? Are you sure the spelling is exactly
correct for every item you are using? I'm not sure what else might
account for some of the rules not working.

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that doesn't
work, that someone will be able to find the error. That is tedious
but it may work. It might be much faster and more likely to find
the error to work with someone.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
What do you mean some other messages from other lists. If
your rule only applies to messages with one list name, then
no other messages will be affected. You need to make a
separate rule for every list.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Hi, Robert,

I already did all that. Some other messages from the other
lists are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else
to do.

Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of
the thread. About your concern for filtering particular
message into your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make
sure that your focus is located to the message that is
not open yet, then tab several times till the focus is
directed in the recipient column. Right click then select
Create Filter From. The rest of the filters process is
the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make sure you
uncheck the filter by manually so that it will run
automatically into your corresponding filtered of your
choice.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that
comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the
filters but there are messages till coming into the
inbox from other lists. How do you run a filter on a
message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in
the combo box, tell it to match nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably
be easiest to hit alt-down arrow and expand them.
Just pick whatever you like, I move mine to a
folder called nvda that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new
menu in the file menu, do that before you do a
filter if you want to move stuff, because the
folder has to exist for you to pick it. If you
want the folder in the main account, i.e. another
folder like inbox, before you make the folder,
highlight your account name with the arrows. If
you want everything under your inbox, so you have
to hit right arrow to expand folders, highlight
your inbox. The difference is that if you
highlight the account, you can down arrow, so
you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash,
whatever. If you do it highlighting the inbox,
inbox usually starts collapsed and you have to
hit right arrow to expand it, then you hit down
arrow to get to those folders, you'll go through
whatever you made, then you'll get back to sent,
trash, whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask
questions.

On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird or do
you just delete them after reading or replying
to them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit clunky.


Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs have
always been weird though. I used to use
Outlook, the one that came in Office.
Then I had to upgrade or migrate machines
or whatever. So I exported mail and
everything just like you're supposed to.
Got everything installed, imported into
the new Outlook. Suddenly none of my
filtering rules to send messages to
specific folders would work. So I
literally deleted them all and recreated
them from scratch, and they still
wouldn't work. That's when I switched to
Thunderbird and I've been using it ever
since.