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Re: topics straying out of NVDA territory
Kevin Cussick
I agree, my mail is now full of stuff I don't want to read even some of the mods are now straying! we all do it but remember folks some of us get loads of mail and really hitting the delete key over and over again gets annoying.
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On 20/04/2016 05:59, Kwork wrote:
I'm noticing that we're straying away on many of these discussions from
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AW: DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK
Eigeldinger Simon
+1.
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen Simon Eigeldinger Sekretariat Nebengebäude 2 Nebengebäude 2, OG1 ------------------------- Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems Österreich Tel.: +43 (0)5576/7101-1211 Fax: +43 (0)5576/7101-1119 E-Mail: simon.eigeldinger@hohenems.at Web: www.hohenems.at Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur für den/die Adressaten bestimmt. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jacob Kruger [mailto:jacob@blindza.co.za] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. April 2016 13:15 An: nvda@groups.io Betreff: Re: [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK Christo, Am also based in SA, and, yes, eSpeak is my choice when using NVDA, partly due to it handling multiple languages, but, also, since while it's not particularly natural sounding, it is definitely very clear-sounding, makes it easy to be pretty sure what you're hearing it say, etc. - which is also pretty important when working as a programmer/software developer. In other words, while understand why some people might prefer somewhat natural sounding voices, they're definitely not of too much interest to some of us, all the time...<smile> Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Roger Wilco wants to welcome you...to the space janitor's closet..."
On 2016-04-20 10:53 AM, Christo Vorster wrote:
Hi list
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Re: DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK
Jacob Kruger
Christo,
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Am also based in SA, and, yes, eSpeak is my choice when using NVDA, partly due to it handling multiple languages, but, also, since while it's not particularly natural sounding, it is definitely very clear-sounding, makes it easy to be pretty sure what you're hearing it say, etc. - which is also pretty important when working as a programmer/software developer. In other words, while understand why some people might prefer somewhat natural sounding voices, they're definitely not of too much interest to some of us, all the time...<smile> Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Roger Wilco wants to welcome you...to the space janitor's closet..."
On 2016-04-20 10:53 AM, Christo Vorster wrote:
Hi list
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Re: ESPEAK
P. Otter
hi all,
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Despite the poor quality are a lot of languages supported intelligibility when nvda will be installed, nvda begins with the native language. after installing you always can make a choice for another synthesizer or keep espeak. it is not a good idea to remove espeak from the nvda installer. so keep espeak in the installation of nvda, that's my opinion. cheers paul otter
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From: "Eigeldinger Simon" <simon.eigeldinger@hohenems.at> To: <nvda@groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 12:52 PM Subject: AW: [nvda] ESPEAK I think espeak /espeak ng needs to stay because no other synth does support so many languages.
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Re: ESPEAK
Christo Vorster
It makes sense to me. The English world often do not comprehend the difficulty we, from non-english countries, experience with speech packages. There was a time, when I used JAWS, and it wasn't long ago, that I had to read Afrikaans documents, even books, with JAWS and the Afrikaans was genuinely terrible. I know some of my friend sometimes make use of Dutch, but that still isn't the answer.
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I don't mean to say that the English speaking people are unsympathetic or anything like that, but sometimes one don't think about it in that way. Greetings Christo
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From: Aravind R [mailto:aravind.andhrabank@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2016 12:06 PM To: nvda@groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] ESPEAK in india, eSpeak only reads most of the indian languages like tamil, marati, telugu etc and we will struggle to read languages written in indian languages. so eSpeak is necessary for us. On 4/20/16, Christo Vorster <christo.vorster@pioneerschool.org.za> wrote: Hi list -- nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so. r. aravind, Assistant manager Department of sales bank of baroda retail loan factory, Chennai. mobile no: +91 9940369593, 9710945613. email id : aravind_069@yahoo.com, aravind.andhrabank@gmail.com.
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AW: ESPEAK
Eigeldinger Simon
I think espeak /espeak ng needs to stay because no other synth does support so many languages.
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Other synths can be installed afterwards. Greetings, Simon Mit freundlichen Grüßen Simon Eigeldinger Sekretariat Nebengebäude 2 Nebengebäude 2, OG1 ------------------------- Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems Österreich Tel.: +43 (0)5576/7101-1211 Fax: +43 (0)5576/7101-1119 E-Mail: simon.eigeldinger@hohenems.at Web: www.hohenems.at Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur für den/die Adressaten bestimmt. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Aravind R [mailto:aravind.andhrabank@gmail.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. April 2016 12:06 An: nvda@groups.io Betreff: Re: [nvda] ESPEAK in india, eSpeak only reads most of the indian languages like tamil, marati, telugu etc and we will struggle to read languages written in indian languages. so eSpeak is necessary for us.
On 4/20/16, Christo Vorster <christo.vorster@pioneerschool.org.za> wrote:
Hi list --
nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so. r. aravind, Assistant manager Department of sales bank of baroda retail loan factory, Chennai. mobile no: +91 9940369593, 9710945613. email id : aravind_069@yahoo.com, aravind.andhrabank@gmail.com.
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DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK
Christo Vorster
Hi list
I do not necessarily agree with the idea to do away with ESpeak. I believe that is a case of "horses for causes."
In South Africa, more specifically, at the Institute for the Blind in Worcester where I am a lecturer, we extensively use ESpeak to read Afrikaans. And may I say, the quality of ESpeak's Afrikaans is actually very good.
I won't mind if the developers do away with ESpeak, but before that happens I want definite proof that the replacement program has, at least, the same quality, preferably, better.
Cheers
Christo
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Re: ESPEAK
Aravind R
in india, eSpeak only reads most of the indian languages like tamil,
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marati, telugu etc and we will struggle to read languages written in indian languages. so eSpeak is necessary for us.
On 4/20/16, Christo Vorster <christo.vorster@pioneerschool.org.za> wrote:
Hi list --
nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so. r. aravind, Assistant manager Department of sales bank of baroda retail loan factory, Chennai. mobile no: +91 9940369593, 9710945613. email id : aravind_069@yahoo.com, aravind.andhrabank@gmail.com.
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ESPEAK
Christo Vorster
Hi list
I do not necessarily agree with the idea to do away with ESpeak. I believe that is a case of "horses for causes."
In South Africa, more specifically, at the Institute for the Blind in Worcester where I am a lecturer, we extensively use ESpeak to read Afrikaans. And may I say, the quality of ESpeak's Afrikaans is actually very good.
I won't mind if the developers do away with ESpeak, but before that happens I want definite proof that the replacement program has, at least, the same quality, preferably, better.
Cheers
Christo
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AW: AW: Question/Do You Hear a Difference with ESpeak with the new Master and Next Versions?
Eigeldinger Simon
Agreed on this.
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen Simon Eigeldinger Sekretariat Nebengebäude 2 Nebengebäude 2, OG1 ------------------------- Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems Österreich Tel.: +43 (0)5576/7101-1211 Fax: +43 (0)5576/7101-1119 E-Mail: simon.eigeldinger@hohenems.at Web: www.hohenems.at Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur für den/die Adressaten bestimmt. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Brian's Mail list account [mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. April 2016 11:46 An: nvda@groups.io Betreff: Re: [nvda] AW: Question/Do You Hear a Difference with ESpeak with the new Master and Next Versions? I've not heard much change in the English side of it. I use Quincy. It depends very much on language though as we know many from the US find Espeak us does not sound american enough. Its a very hard thing to pin down Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Eigeldinger Simon" <simon.eigeldinger@hohenems.at> To: <nvda@groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 9:56 AM Subject: AW: [nvda] AW: Question/Do You Hear a Difference with ESpeak with the new Master and Next Versions? Hi, Realy? Seems i got used to espeak so much that i even not notice that. I use the german language and max as the voice variant. Greetings, Simon Mit freundlichen Grüßen Simon Eigeldinger Sekretariat Nebengebäude 2 Nebengebäude 2, OG1 ------------------------- Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems Österreich Tel.: +43 (0)5576/7101-1211 Fax: +43 (0)5576/7101-1119 E-Mail: simon.eigeldinger@hohenems.at Web: www.hohenems.at Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur für den/die Adressaten bestimmt. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: enes sarıbaş [mailto:enes.saribas@gmail.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. April 2016 10:40 An: nvda@groups.io Betreff: Re: [nvda] AW: Question/Do You Hear a Difference with ESpeak with the new Master and Next Versions? hi, yes, it does sound very different. On 4/20/2016 8:28 AM, Eigeldinger Simon wrote: Hi David,
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Re: AW: AW: Question/Do You Hear a Difference with ESpeak with the new Master and Next Versions?
Enida Skaljo
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On 20. travnja 2016. 10:56:21 "Eigeldinger Simon" <simon.eigeldinger@hohenems.at> wrote:
Hi,
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Re: AW: Question/Do You Hear a Difference with ESpeak with the new Master and Next Versions?
Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
I've not heard much change in the English side of it. I use Quincy. It depends very much on language though as we know many from the US find Espeak us does not sound american enough.
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Its a very hard thing to pin down Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Eigeldinger Simon" <simon.eigeldinger@hohenems.at> To: <nvda@groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 9:56 AM Subject: AW: [nvda] AW: Question/Do You Hear a Difference with ESpeak with the new Master and Next Versions? Hi, Realy? Seems i got used to espeak so much that i even not notice that. I use the german language and max as the voice variant. Greetings, Simon Mit freundlichen Grüßen Simon Eigeldinger Sekretariat Nebengebäude 2 Nebengebäude 2, OG1 ------------------------- Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems Österreich Tel.: +43 (0)5576/7101-1211 Fax: +43 (0)5576/7101-1119 E-Mail: simon.eigeldinger@hohenems.at Web: www.hohenems.at Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur für den/die Adressaten bestimmt. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: enes sarıbaş [mailto:enes.saribas@gmail.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. April 2016 10:40 An: nvda@groups.io Betreff: Re: [nvda] AW: Question/Do You Hear a Difference with ESpeak with the new Master and Next Versions? hi, yes, it does sound very different. On 4/20/2016 8:28 AM, Eigeldinger Simon wrote: Hi David,
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Re: voice question
Gene
Just because it is developed by Microsoft does not mean it is compatible
with newer versions of Windows if it is too old. I don’t know if
installing a version of SAPI that is too old might damage something in new or
recent versions of Windows. But you can’t assume when you install
something like that that is like eighteen or twenty years old.
Gene
From: Arianna Sepulveda
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 9:28 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] voice question It's
freakin' SAPI. I seriously doubt that it's going to damage windows in any way.
After all, wasn't SAPI created by
Microsoft? Thanks, Ari > On Apr 19, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote: > > Well I have old realspeak voices, speech platform is free. > Sapi4 stuff can still be installed so ms and lh voices will still work. > While I wouldn't recomend it if you can get the home page reader 3.02 demo there are fully working viavoices. > The reason I don't recomend it is that even in old xp their installers didn't always work to remove them later. > Finally if you do have version 7 of windoweyes maybe later their version of eloquence is on the disk its a sapi4 program and its legal as far as I know. > However, I am wary of loading older synths, and older things even the ms sapi5.1 synths as I have heard that some of the old resource kits can do bad things to the os. > For nvda I'd actually be inclined to spend the cash for the acapella nvda voices, they are specially configured for nvda and you get access to every voice for the 1 price and that is an attraction for me that I may take up. > > > >> On 20/04/2016 9:39 a.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm using the e-speak synthesizer and it's really great. Anna is the only >> sapi 5 voice that comes with windows 7 but you can buy more voices. >> >> Rosemarie >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jamie Prater [mailto:jdprater@...] >> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 1:56 PM >> To: nvda@groups.io >> Subject: [nvda] voice question >> >> Hi, is Anna the only voice you can use with nvda unless you purchase more? I >> only have Microsoft voice Anna as my only voice option and would like >> something a bit better. Thanks for any help and have a blessed day. PS: I'm >> using the latest nvda with windows 7 and am very very much a beginner and >> know very little about nvda. Thanks again and have a blessed day. >> >> >> >> >> >> . > > >
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Re: installation failure, still
Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
Did you say that it used to work?
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If not then I'd be suspicious that Vista has not got the latest service pack installed. Not having anything running Vista here, that is the best I can offer you. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "marvin kotler" <m.kotler53@gmail.com> To: <nvda@groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 8:45 AM Subject: [nvda] installation failure, still Good evening/morning list. This is Marv here. First, I am running a laptop with the latest nvda file and vista home premium. I cannot get nvda to install. I keep getting a failure message in the log file. I really does not tell me very much. Any ideas on what I might try would be appreciated; thanks in advance.
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Re: Anyone used Portable apps.com with NVDA?
Mr. Wong Chi Wai <cwwong.pro@...>
Oh really? Let me check about the setting, thanks.
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Re: Anyone used Portable apps.com with NVDA?
aah ok, a friend of mine uses portable apps.com I may try to look at this.
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On 20/04/2016 9:26 p.m., Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
Hi, there is a setting to turn on accessibility mode in the Portable Apps.com setting, which, after turning it on, you can select apps to install normally.
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Re: Anyone used Portable apps.com with NVDA?
Hi, there is a setting to turn on accessibility mode in the Portable Apps.com setting, which, after turning it on, you can select apps to install normally.
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Anyone used Portable apps.com with NVDA?
Mr. Wong Chi Wai <cwwong.pro@...>
Hi,
I have problem in selecting apps from the portable apps.com software interface. When first launch or later, you can select some apps to download as portable but it seems it cannot be selected by pressing space bar.... Any advice? thanks.
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AW: AW: Question/Do You Hear a Difference with ESpeak with the new Master and Next Versions?
Eigeldinger Simon
Hi,
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Realy? Seems i got used to espeak so much that i even not notice that. I use the german language and max as the voice variant. Greetings, Simon Mit freundlichen Grüßen Simon Eigeldinger Sekretariat Nebengebäude 2 Nebengebäude 2, OG1 ------------------------- Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems Österreich Tel.: +43 (0)5576/7101-1211 Fax: +43 (0)5576/7101-1119 E-Mail: simon.eigeldinger@hohenems.at Web: www.hohenems.at Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur für den/die Adressaten bestimmt. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: enes sarıbaş [mailto:enes.saribas@gmail.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. April 2016 10:40 An: nvda@groups.io Betreff: Re: [nvda] AW: Question/Do You Hear a Difference with ESpeak with the new Master and Next Versions? hi, yes, it does sound very different.
On 4/20/2016 8:28 AM, Eigeldinger Simon wrote:
Hi David,
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LIST UNDER EMERGENCY
Christo Vorster
Hello Joseph, and list
I am one of the guilty parties and wish to apologise if my posts was out of line as far as this list is concerned. I will refrain from off topic discussions in futere.
Having said that, I support the suggestion of a possible sub-list to be used for off topic chats.
Cheers
Christo
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