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Re: NVDA and the system tray

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


NVDA has a nice add on that works like the JAWS insert f11 keystroke to read the system tray items.  It is standard on the main add on page.

On 10/30/2017 6:16 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
I have a small Dell computer that does not have an applications key and fn+right control is used to invoke a simulated right click.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: 30 October 2017 0
1:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the system tray

Or if you don't have a context key, some desktop keyboards and many laptop keyboards don't for example, it's shift-f10. Note also on some laptop keyboards at least, you might need to use the fn key as well.


On 10/29/2017 18:52, Gene wrote:
Use the context menu key. Enter is double left click. Space is
single left click. the context menu key is right click.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 6:46 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] NVDA and the system tray

How do you perform a right click on something shown in the system tray?
Using NVDA 2017-3 on a Win 10 fall creator laptop.
Thanks







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Re: QUESTION

anthony borg
 

Hi john
Many thanks for your help, that is the correct answer.
Because after I sent my question I managed to find the way how to do it.
Regards
Anthony

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Isige
Sent: 30 October 2017 03:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] QUESTION

Sure. Go to the start of the text. Hit nvda-f9. Go to the end of the text.
Hit nvda-f10 twice. Go to wherever you want your text pasted and paste it.


On 10/29/2017 21:32, anthony borg wrote:

Hi list

Can somebody explain to me how to select and copy a whole text by
using NVDA f9, and NVDA f10 please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony


Re: QUESTION

anthony borg
 

Hi
Thanks for your help but I managed to find the way how to copy a text using NVDA plus f9 and NVDAf10.
Regards
Anthony

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: 30 October 2017 08:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] QUESTION

hello.
you can just use control+a if you want to select entire text!
God bless you!

On 10/30/17, John Isige <gwynn@...> wrote:
Sure. Go to the start of the text. Hit nvda-f9. Go to the end of the
text. Hit nvda-f10 twice. Go to wherever you want your text pasted and
paste it.


On 10/29/2017 21:32, anthony borg wrote:

Hi list

Can somebody explain to me how to select and copy a whole text by
using NVDA f9, and NVDA f10 please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony





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Re: NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Gene
 

And also, as has been demonstrated in this thread, there are often ways of doing things that don't rely on ribbons.  Aside from my discussion of control commands, someone discussed the context menu.  I checked and this menu or one very similar is available in earlier versions of Windows but before ribbons, people didn't use it generally and didn't know about it.  But Windows offers so many ways to do something much of the time that, if someone is having a problem figuring out how to do something using something like ribbons or wants to see if there is another way, asking will often yield results.  It shouldn't be assumed that it's ribbons or nothing or any other way or nothing. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: John Isige
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Of course both 'm' and 'v' are in the word move, and it's actually
perfectly logical. Hence the ton of sarcasm implying that Windows was
forcing us to use ancient writing systems and bizarre forms of input and
so on, to imply that I don't share that point of view at all. In fact I
agree with you that, however objectionable we might find Edge as a
browser or ribbons or the app version of Skype or what have you, they
are all in fact fairly accessible. It bothers me every time discussions
like this come up that we seem to see two related issues, IMO.

One is that if something changes, it's seen as automatically breaking
accessibility. That's why I asked what the latest Windows 10 update
broke, in terms of accessibility, in another thread, because as far as I
can tell, it broke nothing. But that claim was made, that we have yet
another update that breaks accessibility. The other is that if there's a
change that's confusing and/or frustrating enough, e.g. menus to
ribbons, this is again seen as breaking accessibility. It's nothing of
the sort however, I've heard just as many sighted people complaining
about the change from menus to ribbons, to stick with the example.

Some people seem to feel that something they don't like is equivalent to
it being inaccessible. I think that's not a useful point of view to
take. One can dislike Edge as a browser all one likes, but there's a big
difference between "Youtube works a little differently" and "nothing on
the screen is read by my screen reader". The latter is an accessibility
issue. The former might be, depending on what's happening, but probably
isn't. As you've pointed out, repeatedly now, not being able to use
ribbons isn't an accessibility issue either. I should add I find ribbons
fairly frustrating myself and generally try to do things without using
them, so I understand where people are coming from when they don't
really like them. But however clunky anybody might find them, as you've
so ably demonstrated, they are in fact quite accessible.



Re: NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

John Isige
 

Of course both 'm' and 'v' are in the word move, and it's actually perfectly logical. Hence the ton of sarcasm implying that Windows was forcing us to use ancient writing systems and bizarre forms of input and so on, to imply that I don't share that point of view at all. In fact I agree with you that, however objectionable we might find Edge as a browser or ribbons or the app version of Skype or what have you, they are all in fact fairly accessible. It bothers me every time discussions like this come up that we seem to see two related issues, IMO.

One is that if something changes, it's seen as automatically breaking accessibility. That's why I asked what the latest Windows 10 update broke, in terms of accessibility, in another thread, because as far as I can tell, it broke nothing. But that claim was made, that we have yet another update that breaks accessibility. The other is that if there's a change that's confusing and/or frustrating enough, e.g. menus to ribbons, this is again seen as breaking accessibility. It's nothing of the sort however, I've heard just as many sighted people complaining about the change from menus to ribbons, to stick with the example.

Some people seem to feel that something they don't like is equivalent to it being inaccessible. I think that's not a useful point of view to take. One can dislike Edge as a browser all one likes, but there's a big difference between "Youtube works a little differently" and "nothing on the screen is read by my screen reader". The latter is an accessibility issue. The former might be, depending on what's happening, but probably isn't. As you've pointed out, repeatedly now, not being able to use ribbons isn't an accessibility issue either. I should add I find ribbons fairly frustrating myself and generally try to do things without using them, so I understand where people are coming from when they don't really like them. But however clunky anybody might find them, as you've so ably demonstrated, they are in fact quite accessible.


Re: nvda system error?

Gene
 

 don't know what is causing the problem but until another solution is found, if system restore is running on your machine and working properly, you can run a restore point from before the problem started.  I would imaging there are commands to register the dlls again if they are still present but unregistered.  Whatever the case, running system restore will probably restore the dlls if needed and register them if needed. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: The Wolf
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda system error?

I can't even reinstall

nvda do to these .dlls
On 10/30/2017 2:53 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> Sounds to me like either Jaws is changing a dll or its being
> deregistered.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 11:55 PM
> Subject: [nvda] nvda system error?
>
>
>> Hello
>>
>> I have nvda and jaws 2018 installed
>>
>> when ever I launch jaws 2018
>>
>> and go back to nvda I get this error
>>
>> nvda.exe - System Error
>> The program can't start because api-ms-win-core-rtlsupport-l1-2-0.dll
>> graphic 775 is missing from your computer. Try reinstalling the
>> program to fix this
>>
>> problem.
>> OK
>>
>> when I first ran in to this I uninstalled nvda and reinstalled it and
>> all was working
>>
>> but as soon as I started jaws 2018
>>
>> and go back to nvda I get that message
>>
>> I also made sure that jaws was not running.
>>
>> this just started happening out of the blue.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Hank
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Gene
 

What do you mean the letter m isn't in the word move?  Why is it more logical to use the letter v than the letter m.  They are both in the word move.  It's just a change of a letter. 
 
Also, a lot of commands in ribbon programs that use control such as control o for open, control r for reply in Windows live Mail, etc. are still available.  So for a lot of common commands, use won't change.  I'm not sure what you are moving.  If you are cutting a file, you can still use control x then control v just as previously and the control copy commands, control c and control v, are still the same. 
 
Gene
----- original message -----

From: John Isige
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

I'm with you man. What were they thinking? There's no logic there
whatsoever! The letter 'm' isn't even in the word move! Why didn't they
just use ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics while they're at it? And it's
like OK I hear some of you saying that Unicode has that, but then I feel
like we as blind people with our completely uniquely unprecedented and
special needs weren't even consulted before Microsoft decided to stick
us with pre-cuneiform Sumerian logograms, you know what I'm saying? I
hope you do and I hope you're all with us. I hope you'll give the
feedback to Microsoft that tells them enough is enough and we won't
(three sticks and a board forming a tripod with a surface on top) for
this, or we won't stand for this as we used to say in the old language
before Microsoft imposed the undeciphered signs from the Phaistos Disc
as the only form of input Windows will accept.


I mean, honestly I was a little skeptical since Windows 10 upgraded just
fine and is running just fine for me, so I can understand why not
everybody's on board with us. It took me a little while, truth be told,
to realize that I shouldn't have to speak to my computer in a pre-human
eldritch Lovecraftian tongue just to open a folder, you know what I
mean? But that's what we have to do now, and I guess I just think we
shouldn't have left the old technology behind. It worked, and if forty
columns and 64 KB of RAM was good enough for us back then, then it
should be good eternally. I don't want to have to be sealed in a
color-coded isolation sphere with buttons on every surface just to type
this email. Microsoft has gone too far, and it's time we put a stop to
it! Join us, brothers and sisters!


On 10/30/2017 0:13, Karim Lakhani wrote:

> I'm just speaking on a blind persons view.
> I wanted to change the lay out of my folder and I kept going in circles.
> I wanted the details view but it took me a lot longer to accomplish
> the task.
> I thought logic is what goes into computers?
> I'm not sure what to think any more.
> lat m for move instead of alt v?
> EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...
> $$$$
> SKYPE: goldenace4
> $$$$
> Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
> reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
> can control is your character.
> - Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
> *Jaffar Sidek
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:39 PM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser
>
> Once you take the trouble to learn to navigate through ribbons, it
> actually becomes quite comfortable.  I perswonally find Ribbons a
> rather neat concept, much neater than menus sometimes, but I am
> speaking from a programmer's viewpoint.
>
>
> On 30/10/2017 11:22 AM, Gene wrote:
>
>> You don't know that I love the ribbons.  I don't care if a program
>> uses menus or ribbons.  I simply try to convince people to try to
>> understand ribbons because much or most of the dislike of ribbons is
>> based on inadequate or improper instruction or insufficient learning
>> about them.
>> You seem to have an antiMicrosoft bias and I'm not sure what you are
>> commenting on in my last message on the subject. Edge is using a very
>> different design.  firefox is significantly changing its design as
>> well.  Why are you singling out Microsoft?  Microsoft is not perfect
>> when it comes to accessibility.  But they are much better than a lot
>> of companies.  All you have to do is consider all the complaining
>> about inaccessible or not properly accessible antimalware programs to
>> get an idea of this.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Karim Lakhani <mailto:karim.lakhani@...>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 9:00 PM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser
>>
>> And MS. still can't get it right.
>> I'm not sure if you could explain when moving messages to a folder,
>> use to be alt "M" now it's "V"
>> I know you love the ribbons but unfortunately even jaws had to put a
>> patch or to removing it.
>> I'm not sure what the logic is any more.
>> I guess that is the way of the world now.
>> EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...
>> $$$$
>> SKYPE: goldenace4
>> $$$$
>> Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
>> reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
>> can control is your character.
>> - Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
>> Of *Gene
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:54 AM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser
>>
>> I would suggest not jumping to what seem like obvious conclusions. 
>> the Edge browser is nothing like the old browsers in terms of how
>> information is presented to screen-readers or how screen-readers
>> extract information.  I don't know if anything could have been done
>> more quickly in terms of achieving accessibility but Microsoft was
>> far ahead in accessibility than Apple for over a decade.
>> Apple gets all sorts of credit but it did what it did mostly out of
>> necessity.  they were facing the prospect of losing a lot of
>> educational school contracts because there products weren't
>> accessible.  Long before that, Microsoft was doing serious work on
>> accessibility.
>> \Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Karim Lakhani <mailto:karim.lakhani@...>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 11:39 AM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser
>>
>> the MS. programs are a joke.
>> They wait until the  screen readers catch up to technology, and
>> then decide to make things as sighted friendly they can.
>> I'm not sure how Apple can produce accessibility and MS. is still
>> trying.
>> Did they have a beta tester on the team who used NVDA with Edge?
>> I'm OK, using old programs because I don't have the desire to
>> keep trying to stay up there with the latest and best.
>>  good luck!
>>
>>
>>
>> EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...
>> $$$$
>> SKYPE: goldenace4
>> $$$$
>> Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
>> reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
>> can control is your character.
>> - Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>> Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 2:16 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser
>>
>> Another case of reinventing a wheel that works for one based on
>> non rolling wheels. Baby and bathwater proverbs come to mind.
>>  Brian
>>
>> bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...>
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...>, putting
>> 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...
>> <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 5:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> There is no menu bar in Edge. I know, for many of you, this is a
>> shocker, as
>> many of you are used to such things on web browsers. In reality,
>> there is a
>> "menu bar", but it is housed in a menu (quite similar to Google
>> Chrome). To
>> get there, press Alt+X.
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>> Of Ron
>> Canazzi
>> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 10:06 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser
>>
>> Hi Group,
>>
>>
>> I normally use Firefox for my default browser.  Because of the
>> discussion
>> about Edge, I tried it and it seems to have some promise. Someone
>> just sent
>> a bunch of shortcut keys on this list and many are the same as in
>> Firefox.
>> I do have a few questions.
>>
>>
>> The biggest question is: are there any menus where in you can
>> customize Edge
>> such as there are in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer?  I
>> did see the
>> one shortcut alt + S that is supposed to open the settings
>> window.  I tried
>> this and nothing happened.  Is there some setting that I must
>> change to get
>> menus to work?
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help.
>>
>>
>> --
>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>





Re: NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Gene
 

It isn't an attack and I didn't say or imply that it was.  You said you know I love ribbons.  I never said that and you are assuming how I feel with no evidence.  So I responded by saying that you don't know how I feel because I never expressed a feeling nor implied one such as you suggest.
 
Opinions about something are fine but assuming feelings is not accurate unless there is good evidence to do so.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Hey if  you are allowed to express your opinions it's not a personal attack!
sorry!
 
 
 
EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...
$$$$
SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)
 
 
 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 9:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

You don't know that I love the ribbons.  I don't care if a program uses menus or ribbons.  I simply try to convince people to try to understand ribbons because much or most of the dislike of ribbons is based on inadequate or improper instruction or insufficient learning about them. 
 
You seem to have an antiMicrosoft bias and I'm not sure what you are commenting on in my last message on the subject.  Edge is using a very different design.  firefox is significantly changing its design as well.  Why are you singling out Microsoft?  Microsoft is not perfect when it comes to accessibility.  But they are much better than a lot of companies.  All you have to do is consider all the complaining about inaccessible or not properly accessible antimalware programs to get an idea of this. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

And MS. still can't get it right.
I'm not sure if you could explain when moving messages to a folder, use to be alt "M" now it's "V"
I know you love the ribbons but unfortunately even jaws had to put a patch or to removing it.
I'm not sure what the logic is any more.
I guess that is the way of the world now.
 
 
 
 
EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...
$$$$
SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)
 
 
 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

I would suggest not jumping to what seem like obvious conclusions.  the Edge browser is nothing like the old browsers in terms of how information is presented to screen-readers or how screen-readers extract information.  I don't know if anything could have been done more quickly in terms of achieving accessibility but Microsoft was far ahead in accessibility than Apple for over a decade. 
 
Apple gets all sorts of credit but it did what it did mostly out of necessity.  they were facing the prospect of losing a lot of educational school contracts because there products weren't accessible.  Long before that, Microsoft was doing serious work on accessibility. 
 
\Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

the MS. programs are a joke.
They wait until the  screen readers catch up to technology, and
then decide to make things as sighted friendly they can.
I'm not sure how Apple can produce accessibility and MS. is still
trying.
Did they have a beta tester on the team who used NVDA with Edge?
I'm OK, using old programs because I don't have the desire to
keep trying to stay up there with the latest and best.
 good luck!


 
EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...
$$$$
SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 2:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Another case of reinventing a wheel that works for one based on
non rolling wheels. Baby and bathwater proverbs come to mind.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 5:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser


Hi,
There is no menu bar in Edge. I know, for many of you, this is a
shocker, as
many of you are used to such things on web browsers. In reality,
there is a
"menu bar", but it is housed in a menu (quite similar to Google
Chrome). To
get there, press Alt+X.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Ron
Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Hi Group,


I normally use Firefox for my default browser.  Because of the
discussion
about Edge, I tried it and it seems to have some promise. Someone
just sent
a bunch of shortcut keys on this list and many are the same as in
Firefox.
I do have a few questions.


The biggest question is: are there any menus where in you can
customize Edge
such as there are in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer?  I
did see the
one shortcut alt + S that is supposed to open the settings
window.  I tried
this and nothing happened.  Is there some setting that I must
change to get
menus to work?


Thanks in advance for any help.


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"













Re: more on the error message

 

windows7

all updates have been applied

only other screen reader I have on here is jaws

On 10/30/2017 3:14 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
What OS are other screenreaders installed and have you been updating a very very long time. Does this happen on the installer itself running from  the archive, if not then here is what I've done in the past for apparently nonsensical issues like this.
Using a running portable copy, download the version of nvda you want to install from the web site.
Then go to the installed folder the one where all 32 bit software is.
Remove all the files except the system config file.
If you cannot remove any due to them being locked, then restart the computer and restart the temp copy and try again.
Then run the archive you downloaded and let it install.
Inn most cases this seems to work, but if it fails I think somebody with more knowledge of what might be going on is required here.
Also, remember to check all your settings add ons and configs, then copy them using the button on the general settings dialogue so the system configs agree.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 3:34 AM
Subject: [nvda] more on the error message


I am also getting this message
nvda_slave.exe - System Error
The program can't start because api-ms-win-core-rtlsupport-l1-2-0.dll graphic 775 is missing from your computer. Try reinstalling the program to fix this

problem.
OK
what the heck got screwed up here?
thanks
Hank






Re: NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Gene
 

Just because you may not understand how to use something well doesn't mean it isn't efficient or reasonably so when well understood.  My point is that, instead of making that assumption, seeking out more information by asking questions if something seems unreasonably cumbersome is a good idea if you are going to use that thing enough that it matters from a standpoint of efficiency or ease of use.  For example, asking questions here earlier might have saved you considerable inconvenience and annoyance.  Since you have brought up the subject now, the following may help you considerably in understanding ribbons and finding out important information about efficient use.
 
Logic is present in the letter strings of ribbons, though not always as well executed, as desirable from a standpoint of convenience, but this is a minor drawback.  Ribbons often use more letters in a command than menus did but the commands are logical.  With ribbons, because of the longer letter strings and because there are often many more items in a ribbon than in a menu, if there is a command you will use enough to want quick access, you can make a note of it if you don't think you will remember it.
 
I don't have Windows 10 so let's look at the logic of a command or two in Windows Live Mail.  If you want to reply to a message, you can still use control r, but if you couldn't, the ribbon command is very logical.  It is h then r then r again.  What do these letters stand for?  alt h is home ribbon, where the command is located.  The first r is for the respond group, the category where the command is located.  The second r is for reply, the actual command.  In ribbons, commands are clustered in groups according to categories.  In this case, reply is in the respond category, how are you going to respond to a message, if you do.  Reply to sender is one response.  Reply to all is another possible response and tabbing once more tells you that the letter string for that command is alt h then r then a.  Alt h, for home ribbon, r for respond group, a all. 
 
You can save a lot of tabbing in ribbons if you move by category and look through the category where you think a command wwill be.  The commands to move by category are control right arrow to move forward by category and control left arrow to move bafckward. Since a lot of commands are in the home ribbon and since reply wouldn't logically be in the other ribbons such as view, you would look in the home ribbon.  You can use control right arrow to move forward from category to category.  You would move through the categories untill you get to respond.  At that point, you would stop because respond is the logical place the reply command would be.  Reply is a response and it’s the most logical place to look.  Once you stop, you would let the full speech read where you stop.  That's because in ribbons, you don't just hear the category, you hear the first item in that category.  You are on the first item.  So you hear the category because you are on the first item in the category and the first item, which you are on. You also hear the letter string, in this case, alt h then r then r again.  
 
As you tab through respond, you will get to forward, which is a split button.  I'm not sure why the split button works as it does here and I won't go into the unexpected behavior.  But note that, once you are on that split button, you hear an unusual thing for a ribbon.  You hear the control plus letter spoken.  You are told that control f is forward.  Very convenient.  
 
Menus are more obviously logical at times and the shorter letter strings make them more convenient, slightly, from a command point of view.  But issuing one extra letter and at times two really doesn't amount to any meaningful inconvenience.  And the number of commands you would regularly use in a ribbon are small so memorizing them would generally not be taxing.  So you may prefer menus for such reasons as I have given but my point in this demonstration is that ribbons are not the monstrosity so many blind people believe they are.  they may be considered a minor nuisance when compared to menus but they really aren't more than that unless someone has a problem which makes conceptualization of them difficult and that is a problem that some people may have, like a learning disability but not a general problem.  As I said in my previous message, the reasons so many blind people don't like ribbons is poor or no instruction or inadequate instruction.  
 
My message may helpe those who are using ribbons and already know something about doing so use them more efficiently and not regard them as more than a minor inconvenience when compared to menus.  
 
In your Windows 10 example. I don't have Windows 10 so I don't know what most of the letters in your example stand for.  Whatever they stand for, what they stand for and their progression in the sequence is logical. 
 
Gene   

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

I'm just speaking on a blind persons view.
I wanted to change the lay out of my folder and I kept going in circles.
I wanted the details view but it took me a lot longer to accomplish the task.
I thought logic is what goes into computers?
I'm not sure what to think any more.
lat m for move instead of alt v?
 
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Once you take the trouble to learn to navigate through ribbons, it actually becomes quite comfortable.  I perswonally find Ribbons a rather neat concept, much neater than menus sometimes, but I am speaking from a programmer's viewpoint.


On 30/10/2017 11:22 AM, Gene wrote:

You don't know that I love the ribbons.  I don't care if a program uses menus or ribbons.  I simply try to convince people to try to understand ribbons because much or most of the dislike of ribbons is based on inadequate or improper instruction or insufficient learning about them. 
 
You seem to have an antiMicrosoft bias and I'm not sure what you are commenting on in my last message on the subject.  Edge is using a very different design.  firefox is significantly changing its design as well.  Why are you singling out Microsoft?  Microsoft is not perfect when it comes to accessibility.  But they are much better than a lot of companies.  All you have to do is consider all the complaining about inaccessible or not properly accessible antimalware programs to get an idea of this. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

And MS. still can't get it right.
I'm not sure if you could explain when moving messages to a folder, use to be alt "M" now it's "V"
I know you love the ribbons but unfortunately even jaws had to put a patch or to removing it.
I'm not sure what the logic is any more.
I guess that is the way of the world now.
 
 
 
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

I would suggest not jumping to what seem like obvious conclusions.  the Edge browser is nothing like the old browsers in terms of how information is presented to screen-readers or how screen-readers extract information.  I don't know if anything could have been done more quickly in terms of achieving accessibility but Microsoft was far ahead in accessibility than Apple for over a decade. 
 
Apple gets all sorts of credit but it did what it did mostly out of necessity.  they were facing the prospect of losing a lot of educational school contracts because there products weren't accessible.  Long before that, Microsoft was doing serious work on accessibility. 
 
\Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

the MS. programs are a joke.
They wait until the  screen readers catch up to technology, and
then decide to make things as sighted friendly they can.
I'm not sure how Apple can produce accessibility and MS. is still
trying.
Did they have a beta tester on the team who used NVDA with Edge?
I'm OK, using old programs because I don't have the desire to
keep trying to stay up there with the latest and best.
 good luck!


 
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Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 2:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Another case of reinventing a wheel that works for one based on
non rolling wheels. Baby and bathwater proverbs come to mind.
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Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 5:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser


Hi,
There is no menu bar in Edge. I know, for many of you, this is a
shocker, as
many of you are used to such things on web browsers. In reality,
there is a
"menu bar", but it is housed in a menu (quite similar to Google
Chrome). To
get there, press Alt+X.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Of Ron
Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Hi Group,


I normally use Firefox for my default browser.  Because of the
discussion
about Edge, I tried it and it seems to have some promise. Someone
just sent
a bunch of shortcut keys on this list and many are the same as in
Firefox.
I do have a few questions.


The biggest question is: are there any menus where in you can
customize Edge
such as there are in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer?  I
did see the
one shortcut alt + S that is supposed to open the settings
window.  I tried
this and nothing happened.  Is there some setting that I must
change to get
menus to work?


Thanks in advance for any help.


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Re: nvda system error?

 

I can't even reinstall

nvda do to these .dlls

On 10/30/2017 2:53 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Sounds to me like either Jaws is changing a dll or its being deregistered.
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Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 11:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] nvda system error?


Hello

I have nvda and jaws 2018 installed

when ever I launch jaws 2018

and go back to nvda I get this error

nvda.exe - System Error
The program can't start because api-ms-win-core-rtlsupport-l1-2-0.dll graphic 775 is missing from your computer. Try reinstalling the program to fix this

problem.
OK

when I first ran in to this I uninstalled nvda and reinstalled it and all was working

but as soon as I started jaws 2018

and go back to nvda I get that message

I also made sure that jaws was not running.

this just started happening out of the blue.

thanks

Hank







Re: more on the error message

 

2017.3

On 10/30/2017 12:31 AM, zahra wrote:
hello.
which version of nvda do you want to install?

i heard this problem occures in windows xp using nvda 2017.4
snapshots, masters, etc.

On 10/30/17, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:
I am also getting this message
nvda_slave.exe - System Error
The program can't start because api-ms-win-core-rtlsupport-l1-2-0.dll
graphic 775  is missing from your computer. Try reinstalling the program
to fix this

problem.
OK
what the heck got screwed up here?
thanks
Hank





Re: NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

David Griffith
 

 

I have not read all this thread but in terms of the problem you are experiencing you can get a simple menu system to achieve what you want in Windows and actually many other applications like Outlook.

Specifically for achieving detailed view.

In the File Explorer window focus on any file.

Now hit control plus space to de-select it so no files  are selected in the folder.

Now hit the application key or shift F10 and an  easy NVDA friendly menu system whill open up, abit like the old menu interface of windows. Here you can easily change the view and sort characteristics of  the folder in the way you used to in XP etc.

The same trick works in the Outlook message list as well.

 

David Griffith

 

 

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https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Karim Lakhani
Sent: 30 October 2017 05:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

 

I'm just speaking on a blind persons view.

I wanted to change the lay out of my folder and I kept going in circles.

I wanted the details view but it took me a lot longer to accomplish the task.

I thought logic is what goes into computers?

I'm not sure what to think any more.

lat m for move instead of alt v?

 

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Once you take the trouble to learn to navigate through ribbons, it actually becomes quite comfortable.  I perswonally find Ribbons a rather neat concept, much neater than menus sometimes, but I am speaking from a programmer's viewpoint.

 

On 30/10/2017 11:22 AM, Gene wrote:

You don't know that I love the ribbons.  I don't care if a program uses menus or ribbons.  I simply try to convince people to try to understand ribbons because much or most of the dislike of ribbons is based on inadequate or improper instruction or insufficient learning about them. 

 

You seem to have an antiMicrosoft bias and I'm not sure what you are commenting on in my last message on the subject.  Edge is using a very different design.  firefox is significantly changing its design as well.  Why are you singling out Microsoft?  Microsoft is not perfect when it comes to accessibility.  But they are much better than a lot of companies.  All you have to do is consider all the complaining about inaccessible or not properly accessible antimalware programs to get an idea of this. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 9:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

 

And MS. still can't get it right.

I'm not sure if you could explain when moving messages to a folder, use to be alt "M" now it's "V"

I know you love the ribbons but unfortunately even jaws had to put a patch or to removing it.

I'm not sure what the logic is any more.

I guess that is the way of the world now.

 

 

 

 

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reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

I would suggest not jumping to what seem like obvious conclusions.  the Edge browser is nothing like the old browsers in terms of how information is presented to screen-readers or how screen-readers extract information.  I don't know if anything could have been done more quickly in terms of achieving accessibility but Microsoft was far ahead in accessibility than Apple for over a decade. 

 

Apple gets all sorts of credit but it did what it did mostly out of necessity.  they were facing the prospect of losing a lot of educational school contracts because there products weren't accessible.  Long before that, Microsoft was doing serious work on accessibility. 

 

\Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 11:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

 

the MS. programs are a joke.
They wait until the  screen readers catch up to technology, and
then decide to make things as sighted friendly they can.
I'm not sure how Apple can produce accessibility and MS. is still
trying.
Did they have a beta tester on the team who used NVDA with Edge?
I'm OK, using old programs because I don't have the desire to
keep trying to stay up there with the latest and best.
 good luck!


 
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Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 2:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Another case of reinventing a wheel that works for one based on
non rolling wheels. Baby and bathwater proverbs come to mind.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 5:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser


Hi,
There is no menu bar in Edge. I know, for many of you, this is a
shocker, as
many of you are used to such things on web browsers. In reality,
there is a
"menu bar", but it is housed in a menu (quite similar to Google
Chrome). To
get there, press Alt+X.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Of Ron
Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Hi Group,


I normally use Firefox for my default browser.  Because of the
discussion
about Edge, I tried it and it seems to have some promise. Someone
just sent
a bunch of shortcut keys on this list and many are the same as in
Firefox.
I do have a few questions.


The biggest question is: are there any menus where in you can
customize Edge
such as there are in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer?  I
did see the
one shortcut alt + S that is supposed to open the settings
window.  I tried
this and nothing happened.  Is there some setting that I must
change to get
menus to work?


Thanks in advance for any help.


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Re: NVDA saying roman numeral numbers

ChrisLeo
 

Hi,
Before to telL about regular expressions we need know some things:

Which voice synthesizer you are referring to?
Some synthesizer speak already roman numbers as native behavior.

Also the language is important, in some countries roman numbers are read as ordinal numbers, in others as numbers.
In english I think that read the roman number one, "I" (capital latin letter I), is a little problem...

Cheers,



Chris.

Rosemarie Chavarria, 29/10/2017 22:22:

Hi, everyone,



I'm asking this question for someone on another list. How do you get NVDA to
say roman numeral numbers?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Rosemarie






Re: Excel Macro editing

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Pranav

It would be great if you would do that thankyou.  Is the problem just with Excel macro editing because I would assume all macro capable office products would use the same editor.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: 30 October 2017 01:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excel Macro editing

 

The macro editors are across all versions of Excel. I am happy to raise this as an issue unless someone gets to it before I do.

 

Pranav


Re: NVDA and the system tray

Chris Mullins
 

I have a small Dell computer that does not have an applications key and fn+right control is used to invoke a simulated right click.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: 30 October 2017 0
1:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the system tray

Or if you don't have a context key, some desktop keyboards and many laptop keyboards don't for example, it's shift-f10. Note also on some laptop keyboards at least, you might need to use the fn key as well.


On 10/29/2017 18:52, Gene wrote:
Use the context menu key. Enter is double left click. Space is
single left click. the context menu key is right click.
Gene
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*Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 6:46 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] NVDA and the system tray

How do you perform a right click on something shown in the system tray?
Using NVDA 2017-3 on a Win 10 fall creator laptop.
Thanks




Re: more on the error message

Brian's Mail list account
 

What OS are other screenreaders installed and have you been updating a very very long time. Does this happen on the installer itself running from the archive, if not then here is what I've done in the past for apparently nonsensical issues like this.
Using a running portable copy, download the version of nvda you want to install from the web site.
Then go to the installed folder the one where all 32 bit software is.
Remove all the files except the system config file.
If you cannot remove any due to them being locked, then restart the computer and restart the temp copy and try again.
Then run the archive you downloaded and let it install.
Inn most cases this seems to work, but if it fails I think somebody with more knowledge of what might be going on is required here.
Also, remember to check all your settings add ons and configs, then copy them using the button on the general settings dialogue so the system configs agree.

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From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 3:34 AM
Subject: [nvda] more on the error message


I am also getting this message
nvda_slave.exe - System Error
The program can't start because api-ms-win-core-rtlsupport-l1-2-0.dll graphic 775 is missing from your computer. Try reinstalling the program to fix this

problem.
OK
what the heck got screwed up here?
thanks
Hank



Re: NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Chris Mullins
 

Hi
In this context 1709 is referring to the Windows 1709 Creators update of
Windows 10. The 1709 equates to the ninth month of the year 2017, which is
when it was released. To check which Windows 10 version you are on, press
Windows+r then type in "winver" (without the quotes) and press enter.


Cheers
Chris

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karim
Lakhani
Sent: 30 October 2017 01:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

what does 1709 mean?



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Hi,
I think it might be best to have a conversation offlist about this, but I'd
say try 1709.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karim
Lakhani
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

the MS. programs are a joke.
They wait until the screen readers catch up to technology, and then decide
to make things as sighted friendly they can.
I'm not sure how Apple can produce accessibility and MS. is still trying.
Did they have a beta tester on the team who used NVDA with Edge?
I'm OK, using old programs because I don't have the desire to keep trying to
stay up there with the latest and best.
good luck!



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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Another case of reinventing a wheel that works for one based on non rolling
wheels. Baby and bathwater proverbs come to mind.
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Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 5:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser


Hi,
There is no menu bar in Edge. I know, for many of you, this is a shocker, as
many of you are used to such things on web browsers.
In reality, there is a "menu bar", but it is housed in a menu (quite similar
to Google Chrome). To get there, press Alt+X.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron
Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Hi Group,


I normally use Firefox for my default browser. Because of the discussion
about Edge, I tried it and it seems to have some promise. Someone just sent
a bunch of shortcut keys on this list and many are the same as in Firefox.
I do have a few questions.


The biggest question is: are there any menus where in you can customize Edge
such as there are in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer? I did see the
one shortcut alt + S that is supposed to open the settings window. I tried
this and nothing happened. Is there some setting that I must change to get
menus to work?


Thanks in advance for any help.


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Re: Windows 10 Lock Screen Tip - Prevent NVDA From Saying Ratio While Reading The Time

Chris
 

Hmm, really? Hazel doent do that, nor does xeara  

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 30 October 2017 09:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Lock Screen Tip - Prevent NVDA From Saying Ratio While Reading The Time

 

Sappi 5 and speech platform are notorious for odd abreviations expansion.

One of the most annoying is that in the uk a post code say, KT3 8NY is said

as 8 New York.

Brian

 

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From: "Laughingthunder" <laughingthunder26@...>

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Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 1:53 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Lock Screen Tip - Prevent NVDA From Saying

Ratio While Reading The Time

 

 

> Yes. If you have a synth-specific dictionary, place the line I provided

> at the end of it instead.

> On 10/29/2017 6:59 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:

>> 

>> Hi

>> 

>> Surely NVDA will only use this default.dic file if there is no synth

>> specific .dic file available for the synth you have configured for

>> use with the log-on/secure screens. I.E if you have a synth specific

>> .dic file in your user settings and elected to copy over your own

>> settings using the facility in the General settings dialog.

>> 

>> Cheers

>> 

>> Chris

>> 

>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of

>> *Laughingthunder

>> *Sent:* 29 October 2017 20:18

>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Lock Screen Tip - Prevent NVDA From

>> Saying Ratio While Reading The Time

>> 

>> No. The default dictionary is the file located at C:\Program Files

>> (x86)\nvda\builtin.dic, which should not be modified. In the case of

>> my instructions, the word "default" in the file name simply refers to

>> the dictionary that will be used by all synthesizers installed in the

>> configuration used on the logon screen and other secure screens.

>> 

>> On 10/29/2017 10:34 AM, Gene wrote:

>> 

>>     Your instructions appear to replace the default dictionary in

>>     NVDA. Is that the case?

>> 

>>     Gene

>> 

>>     ----- original message -----

>> 

>>     *From:*Laughingthunder <mailto:laughingthunder26@...>

>> 

>>     *Sent:*Sunday, October 29, 2017 9:21 AM

>> 

>>     *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> 

>>     *Subject:*[nvda] Windows 10 Lock Screen Tip - Prevent NVDA From

>>     Saying Ratio While Reading The Time

>> 

>>     NOTE: The following instructions assume that you are comfortable with

>>     making technical modifications to NVDA's configuration. If you are

>>     not

>>     comfortable with these types of changes, do not attempt these steps.

>> 

>>     I was experimenting with NVDA's speech dictionaries yesterday, and

>>     stumbled upon a way to stop NVDA from saying the word "ratio" when

>>     reading the time on my Windows 10 lock screen. Here's what I did.

>> 

>>     1. Paste the following line into a new notepad window.

>> 

>> 

>>     ∶ : 0 0

>> 

>> 

>>     2. Save the file on the desktop as default.dic.

>> 

>>     3. Copy the file to C:\Program Files

>>     (x86)\NVDA\systemConfig\speechDicts.

>> 

>>     4. NVDA no longer says ratio when reading the time on the Windows 10

>>     lock screen.

>> 

>> 

>>     Thought some of you may find this tip useful.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 


Re: Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

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That is certainly exactly how I read it. I'm glad its not just me.
To be honest though how often do these exploits occur, and if anti virus programs were themselves all accessible and took screenreaders into account it should be possible for them to police machines with no screenreaeder installed to stop exploits and to interrogate something in a screenreader to make sure its kosha.

The sledgehammer to crack a nut approach seems to be always being used to our detriment.
Brian

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QWell it does make sence, I just wish uia gets more stable.

As for thunderbird I do hope that it doesn't go that way, after my issues with dad's outlook and having to use cloud services for attachments and the fact I can't read half the main screen not mentioning how much it costs I do really hope thunderbird does not go that way till that is we can get the new uia access up to par, I understand why mozilla are doing it code injection attacks are just no good.

The fact screen reader manufacturers no longer need to try to make the os do what they want and just call a lib is really good.

However I do wish that mozilla rephrased their announcement.

This is how I read into it, blind people are a problem, screen readers are malware, we don't care about accessibility.

Thats not what they meant ofcause, and the old way can't stay there for ever as bad as it is, a screen reader could be subverted just like other programs and we do need some system level access so its valid.

My issue is the fact the newer systems have not been adopted, now don't get me wrong win10 is basically uia and while I have issues with slow copying of files the fact progress bars are not beeping the fact there are ribbons, the fact things are in weird places and not as fast as previous oses take all that out and the system is easy enough to use.

So take it or leave it I guess.

I have downgraded to firefox 52 though till mozilla get their act together.

This uia thing is not just mozilla and in a way I am happy mozilla is doing this, the biggest critisism about screen readers and blindness spaciffic software was and still is to a point that they need their own procedures, you don't ask the system to do something you put your own code there and do it and just make it do like a virus does.

Granted for a while its been that way but not now, there is a way to make the system handle that and we should all use that system.

And unless ms wripps that out for any reason, the fact they seem to be trying to become more accessible to a point is a big step, not fully the biggest yet but its quite a lot.

Everything will eventually use uia and eventually the old access libs will just die and be gone and thats fine.

Badly implimented solutions just like badly coded pdf documents or web pages are a major issue for all of us and thats a thing we should all watch out going forward.

The only bad issue will come ifa company like mozilla just doesn't do anything about it, if they don't then feel free to jump on their toes till lunch time.

The announcements just a bit of a shock is all though with uia going in its a given that everyone is trying to take the next standard and when it works its really good.

I liked the speed of msaa but to be honest as slow as the new system is, it won't matter if the computers themselves have higher spec and thats changing.

Eventually win10 won't run on lower spec boxes and the higher speced boxes are win10 only so things will get better.




On 27/10/2017 9:19 a.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I sure hope thunderbird doesn't go the way firefox is going. At least I do have outlook if that should happen.




On 10/26/2017 1:11 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmmm so basically mozilla is becoming a problem, I am going away but I am going to have to move to firefox 52 at least till they fix this.

After that its either chrome which doesn't have noscript and to be honest has issues all over or back to ie which is crap but if mozilla want to screw the blind over who knows.

I will try 57 when it comes out but to be honest if it remains that slow who knows.

Noscript is just about the only reason I use firefox at all these days.

It used to be webvisum but with the new google capcha and bots method once you are varified you continue to be some how so who knows.

Most audio captchas work well enough something like webvisum aint needed.




On 26/10/2017 11:54 p.m., Jaffar Sidek wrote:
I was using Firefox quantum beta. Seems to be slower than usual. , almost to the point of lagging sometimes.
On 26/10/2017 12:57 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

As for that, it is due to the fact that Firefox is using multiple processes for accessibility routines, which impacts NVDA.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Jaffar Sidek
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2017 9:49 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

There will be a problem when browsing through very dense web pages with lots of links and info. I just tried facebook.com, talksport.com, bbcNews.com, these pages are so sluggish that it would be better to use internet explorer instead. Cheers!

On 26/10/2017 12:19 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi gene

I downloaded the 57 beta a little while ago and found the setting
he was talking about. Mine was already unchecked. I downloaded the
beta of 57 and i am just looking around now.

The menus are been spoken. The quick navigation keys seem to be
working etc.

There is a little lag some times when you go to the menus and or
left or right arrow. I was just having a look in the options
section it looks like only 4 tabs now

I have read a couple of articles so far from our stuff website and
gone back and forth between pages.

as mentioned there is a little lag at times seems no worser than
56 actually at a few times seemed quicker.

Now and again you have to refresh the page as like the page does
not load and using the f5 key lets it load.

Gene nz

On 10/26/2017 4:43 PM, Gene wrote:

How do you disable it if you can't work with menus and all the
other structures you discussed? Can you use the command alt t
then o to get into the options dialog and can it be worked
with? Are you saying that we need to check this check box in
the options dialog?

Gene

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*From:*Joseph Lee <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>

*Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:34 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do
NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

Hi all,

Well, the tests ended so fast…

The following is a community-based advisory that is mandatory
for you all to listen up and follow:

If Firefox 57 is set to prevent accessibility services, you
won’t be able to use Firefox at all. The following NVDA
features will fail:

* Browse mode and focus mode
* Web browser features such as elements list and first
letter navigation commands
* Object navigation and review modes
* OCR functionality

ADVISORY: when Firefox 57 lands, DO NOT check “prevent
accessibility services” checkbox in Firefox options. By
default, this checkbox is unchecked.

Technical: NVDA uses mixture of code injection and
accessibility API routines to access Firefox. However, when
accessibility services are turned off, Firefox enters a mode
where the UI and browse mode functionality will not work with
screen readers. This means no announcements regarding menu
bar, no toolbar navigation feedback, no feedback when you type
into address bar, no browse mode and so on. The only way to
restore it so far is disabling the checkbox described above
until NVDA finds a way to interact with Firefox Quantum.

Cheers,

Joseph

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contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from
around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert exam.





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