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Re: New NVDA user

John Isige
 

Well I don't know about strengths and weaknesses. But my testimonial is that I got sick of paying for jaws, so I decided to try NVDA for a month, I think it was. There were a few times, mostly with installers or the like, where I'd run into a situation where NVDA wouldn't read the screen, so I'd fire up jaws. Jaws didn't read the screen either. I realized that NVDA was doing everything I needed it to and jaws wasn't offering me any advantages that I could see, so I switched. Pretty simple really. I have nothing against jaws, used it for years, man I want to say from 3 or 4 or such.

As for addons, you might want to check out NVDA Remote. There's an addon for Winamp and VLC. I've got Vocalizer for NVDA. The SysTrayList addon is nice, but that's mostly because I can never remember if there's a quick way to get to the system tray without it. NVDA works just fine without it, you can get into the tray and right click and all, but the addon basically gives you the equivalent of jaws-F11. A couple other jaws equivalents are Virtual Review and Place Markers, the latter gives you place markers on web pages and some other documents. Hope that helps.


Re: New NVDA user

 

To be honest, my tale aint that glorious.

I have always had a screen reader through school, first keynote then hal then supernova which I continue to use from time to time especially for some older game types.

Nvda is my primary one now.

After some mismanagement of which I will not go into, I got jaws 4.5 for a university course at the end of the course.

I used it till jaws 6.0 when my sma ran out.

Jaws has always been slow for me, quite clunky, I had to update the home licence to a pro licence to use a pro os which I objected to.

I have had to reset keys and such a lot to.

Sadly, that and a lot of older non free software which I pulled from various places went with xp.

When I got 7 I decided to update supernova which I had used from year 1 and still do.

Jaws was left behind ages ago.

That was till I got the unlocked sapi voice cd from somewhere which I still do have.

But that was about it.

I have no interest to go back to it, unless ofcause someone pays for it as something I need for work, but I doubt I'd use it for general home applications.

The comercial readers do have their places but nvda handles most stuff.

I have never read the manual I have looked and found the comands I have needed.

On 1/11/2017 7:21 a.m., JM Casey wrote:
Hello folks. I'm sure other people have posted testimonials of some sort
here before, but I fancy some enjoy reading such things, so here goes with
mine. Feel free to ignore this message as I'm not posting for help or
anything like that, though I will end with a question of sorts for the list.


I've been a JAWS user since, roughly, 1999. I recently got a Windows 10
machine (upgraded from XP!) and was able to get new JAWS at a discounted
price from my former employer. I took advantage of the discount just before
they laid me off! *grins*


Well, obviously perhaps, I've been spending a lot of time looking for
employment since then. I recently had an interview where they needed me to
do a test on a computer. They had not much idea about accommodations for
blind folks but seemed very willing to give it a go. With a faint glimmer of
hope, I told them about JAWS: that it was the most professional
screen-reader around; that "yes, I know it's really expensive, but there is
a demo you can run for forty minutes at a time!", etc, etc. 'There's also
this thing called NVDA," I muttered a little under my breath, "which is a
free one; if you can't get JAWS working, I suppose I could work with that."
I showed up to the interview, foolishly hoping my ole' buddy the shark would
save me. Nope! They couldn't even get the demo to run, for some reason (the
test computer was an old one, I think, running XP). So, NVDA it was to be!


I'll back up a bit and say I've known about nVDA for quite some time. I
always thought it might come in handy and that I should get it on one of my
machines and start using it, but never got around to it. The closest I came
was using it on my ex-wife's laptop, mostly to play music. I still don't
like eSpeak, I'm afraid, and I used it on a Linux machine running Orca
before, too. Because that laptop wasn't mine I never really spent a lot of
time with it; didn't realise it would in fact be possible to change the
synthesiser to something more to my liking.


Well, there I was, sitting in this open office, sweating profusely and
feeling tense because I didn't really know what I was doing. I managed to
switch the voice to the XP narrator one, and that was reasonably ok. I found
that everything worked like a charm! I only had to use three programmes at
that time: notepad, MS Word and a programme for audio playback/transcription
that had (thankfully) native keystroke commands. A part of the test was
related to spelling and grammar, so I was able to configure NVDA, without
reference to the user guide or any prior experience, to speak the level of
punctuation I wanted and to indicate capital letters in a way that was
convenient. There was a time limit involved, so I really wasn't able to play
around as much as I should have, yet I was very pleased that I was basically
able to get everything up and working to my satisfaction.


Now I'm at home, running nVDA, and really liking it. I have no JAWS upgrades
left, and that doesn't bother me as much as I thought it would, though I'm
not abandoning it altogether as I'm sure both screen-readers have their
strengths.


So, I read the user guide. Great. A lot of very familiar keystrokes. Some
small differences, but that's fine and even welcome. I stumbled across the
"switching from jAWS to nVDA" wiki page today and read through it; it
confirmed some of what I'd already noted. I have also been looking through
the add-ons on the official page and just installed the Windows 10
Essentials one. I don't like these modern universal apps much, but, you
know, may as well get used to them if they're the up-and-coming thing, and
maybe they'll actually work better with NVDA than they do with JAWS.


What do you all think, those of you who have expereince with both
screen-readers? Any thoughts that might not have been mentioned on the wiki
over there? I'm not looking to start an argument, obviously, but I didn't
get a lot of feedback when I posted a similar message (without some of th e
sarcasm) on the JAWS list, and I thought it might actually go over better
here.


Also, what add-ons do you all like to use?


Cheers, and glad to be a part of the NVDA community.


P.S.: I didn't get the job. That's ok. I still learned something.


New NVDA user

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hello folks. I’m sure other people have posted testimonials of some sort here before, but I fancy some enjoy reading such things, so here goes with mine. Feel free to ignore this message as I’m not posting for help or anything like that, though I will end with a question of sorts for the list.

 

I’ve been a JAWS user since, roughly, 1999. I recently got a Windows 10 machine (upgraded from XP!) and was able to get new JAWS at a discounted price from my former employer. I took advantage of the discount just before they laid me off! *grins*

 

Well, obviously perhaps, I’ve been spending a lot of time looking for employment since then. I recently had an interview where they needed me to do a test on a computer. They had not much idea about accommodations for blind folks but seemed very willing to give it a go. With a faint glimmer of hope, I told them about JAWS: that it was the most professional screen-reader around; that “yes, I know it’s really expensive, but there is a demo you can run for forty minutes at a time!”, etc, etc. ‘There’s also this thing called NVDA,” I muttered a little under my breath, “which is a free one; if you can’t get JAWS working, I suppose I could work with that.” I showed up to the interview, foolishly hoping my ole’ buddy the shark would save me. Nope! They couldn’t even get the demo to run, for some reason (the test computer was an old one, I think, running XP). So, NVDA it was to be!

 

I’ll back up a bit and say I’ve known about nVDA for quite some time. I always thought it might come in handy and that I should get it on one of my machines and start using it, but never got around to it. The closest I came was using it on my ex-wife’s laptop, mostly to play music. I still don’t like eSpeak, I’m afraid, and I used it on a Linux machine running Orca before, too. Because that laptop wasn’t mine I never really spent a lot of time with it; didn’t realise it would in fact be possible to change the synthesiser to something more to my liking.

 

Well, there I was, sitting in this open office, sweating profusely and feeling tense because I didn’t really know what I was doing. I managed to switch the voice to the XP narrator one, and that was reasonably ok. I found that everything worked like a charm! I only had to use three programmes at that time: notepad, MS Word and a programme for audio playback/transcription that had (thankfully) native keystroke commands. A part of the test was related to spelling and grammar, so I was able to configure NVDA, without reference to the user guide or any prior experience, to speak the level of punctuation I wanted and to indicate capital letters in a way that was convenient. There was a time limit involved, so I really wasn’t able to play around as much as I should have, yet I was very pleased that I was basically able to get everything up and working to my satisfaction.

 

Now I’m at home, running nVDA, and really liking it. I have no JAWS upgrades left, and that doesn’t bother me as much as I thought it would, though I’m not abandoning it altogether as I’m sure both screen-readers have their strengths.

 

So, I read the user guide. Great. A lot of very familiar keystrokes. Some small differences, but that’s fine and even welcome. I stumbled across the “switching from jAWS to nVDA” wiki page today and read through it; it confirmed some of what I’d already noted. I have also been looking through the add-ons on the official page and just installed the Windows 10 Essentials one. I don’t like these modern universal apps much, but, you know, may as well get used to them if they’re the up-and-coming thing, and maybe they’ll actually work better with NVDA than they do with JAWS.

 

What do you all think, those of you who have expereince with both screen-readers? Any thoughts that might not have been mentioned on the wiki over there? I’m not looking to start an argument, obviously, but I didn’t get a lot of feedback when I posted a similar message (without some of th e sarcasm) on the JAWS list, and I thought it might actually go over better here.

 

Also, what add-ons do you all like to use?

 

Cheers, and glad to be a part of the NVDA community.

 

P.S.: I didn’t get the job. That’s ok. I still learned something.


Re: skype has gone bad

 

Yeah to get round the issue you need to hit control home to get to the top of the page, then control tab or shift tab to get back to the list box then hit control 1 and 2 again to get the tabs up.

Sadly that page is a pain and its easy to get there.

Skype 8 is worse.

Skype 7 while it does have a few issues I can still use enough that I can enjoy it.

On 1/11/2017 12:32 a.m., zahra wrote:
hi shaun.
i use skype 7.37 and in skype version 7, i have some inconvinient using it.
sometimes i loos accessibility, sometimes enter does not work when i
wanted to chat to someone.
can i be in contact with you off list?
do you mean skype version 8 is worse and have many problems with accessibility?

On 10/31/17, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:
no the desktop classic


On 10/30/2017 2:55 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Is this for the new skype interface?

I will try it again.




On 31/10/2017 7:38 a.m., The Wolf wrote:
try turning on accessibility under advanced in skype


On 10/30/2017 11:30 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Well I just decided to update skype for windows desktops.

It sadly appears that skype the new skype sadly is not even closed
to accessible.

Buttons for contacts and messages appear ok but over that there is a
lot of clickable, clickable, clickables.

The settings tab was completely inaccessible though I was able to
set it up just fine.

I really hope ms is going to keep skype classic, you can get round
this right now by typing skype setup full in google and it will find
you the old one but how long this will stay out is anyone's guess.

I can't even get the right click menu in system tray to work.

If anything else all I really want is ms to keep skype classic
available for those that want it, they don't need to do anything to
it, I'd prefur a simple classic skype for us blind people but
failing that if skype stays as it is well.

I just can't loose skype all my business and other stuff goes
through it.

Its not an option, but if skype becomes crap, I may have to use an
old version or even just no longer use skype because its crap now!

No, I can't even do that, the new interface I just can't get round
it, I have been happily able to reinstall skype classic and update
it with the latest classic version.

You need to look for the classic version now.

This is not on.

And it appears the new app won't run on the latest win10 which
itself is fine but to be honest the classic skype is really accessible.







.


.



Re: Halloween In-Process

 

I don't know I have had issues with audiogames.net and bandcamp so far.

So no, sadly also google pop seems down, and I really hate imap here, there is a lot of stuff in my well folder, still if thats the only way to get mail now thats what I will do I guess.

On 1/11/2017 1:36 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
What are  site makers doing  restricting themselves to certain versions of browsers. Sounds a bit like shooting yourself in the foot for no good reason to me.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 4:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Halloween In-Process


I just looked at that.

Sadly audiogames.net needs a version of firefox over 55.x and some other sites, bandcamp, etc do not work right.

I looked into a user agent module for firefox but couldn't figure it out, so I went back to firefox 56, so I will have to well do whatever I can to handle with 57 or whenever updates come out for 57 I will have to simply not update firefox at all.

If that can be done easily well.

Also, if there are settings in about:config I can turn off then I do that.




On 31/10/2017 1:47 p.m., Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

This week, we've got an update on using NVDA with Firefox 57, the Windows
10 Fall Creators Update, getting NV Access training and support through the
NDIS in Australia, & a spooky Halloween message (& challenge)!  All in this
Halloween edition of In-Process from @NVAccess
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-halloween-2017-edition/ 🎃👻

Regards

Quentin.




Weather Plus 4.6 31.10.2017 update available

Adriano Barbieri
 


Hello to every one,
 
Important changes in this new version:
* Fixed bug; the menu "Set a city temporary..." after a check for updates was enabled even if there was no list of available cities.
* Fixed bug; unable to configure WP when the weather.ini has not been created yet,.
 
Weather Plus can update alone, however, it is possible to download
manually from the following links:
http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus4.6.nvda-addon
or from page:
http://www.nvda.it/weather-plus/
or from page:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/weatherPlus.en.html
 
Cheers
Adriano
 


Re: NVDA and sappy five voices

tina sohl <tinabir@...>
 

My husband has a gateway and it didn't have a lot of junk on it. Can you get one straight from the company like ho or whatever that they built for you or is that expensive too?
Original message:

Interesting thought, Tina. There isn't a Microsoft store anywhere near here however, just as there isn't an Apple store anywhere near here. Sigh.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 31, 2017, at 8:38 AM, tina sohl <tinabir@...> wrote:
Mary, if you shop with HSN or qvc, they have good deals on pcs. We just took ours to a microsoft store and they just put windows back on it with out the junk. Just a thought.
Original message:
Thanks, David. Do you happen to know where that alternative FileExplorer might be obtained? I am not going to have a 4 TB hard drive. I'll be lucky to have a 1 TB hard drive. In fact, a 512 GB SSD would probably do me. I was looking around on the Accessibility central site. There is definitely a lot of stuff there. Now finding a machine without crap where that won't break the bank, that's another problem. I was looking on the windows store from Microsoft. It seems that everything there is either expensive or out of stock and expensive. Smile. Oh well. Something will turn up.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:42 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@... <mailto:daj.griffith@...>> wrote:


I think my main advice, personally, if you are to rely on Free Screenreaders on windows is to keep a copy of the free Explorer ++ File Management Utility on your system. The main limitation with using NVDA for me personally with Windows 10 is the way it can grind to a halt in File Explorer with large drives. I can tab around but NVDA just will not respond for ages. This problem has persisted for me through several NVDA versions and through a complete fresh install of Windows . Luckily having a copy of Explorer ++ on your system can solve this problem nicely if you happen to experience it. I just put a copy of Explorer ++ on my Desktop and I have made a shortcut of control sshift E to it. NVDA is slick fast and snappy with this alternative to File Explorer, actually faster and more responsive than Jaws with this particular utility I find. This may not be an issue for you as NVDA I think is normally responsive to smaller size drives/folders in File Explorer but it definitely cannot cope with my secondary 4TB drive which is nearly full. It flies with Explorer ++ though. Explorer ++ can if you want completely replace File Explorer but I have not gone this route. It also has file management features not available in Explorer so might be worth having anyway.
The other great resource is the Screenreader Accessible page at www.nimite.com <http://www.nimite.com> where you can get up and running with most of all the free programs you will need, including actually NVDA, with one single unattended and silent installer. Finally the addons repository and the Accessibility Central website which I believe the moderator on this list supports is also a great resource to get up and running with the Road Tested NVDA programs sections especially useful.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ <http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/>
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ <http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/>
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts <https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts>
From: Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@...>
Sent: 30 October 2017 18:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
I had a Boot Camp Windows 7 installation on my Mac. It's actually still there. But I had some issues. Anyway, I didn't want to do fusion, because I had heard a lot about audio problems and keyboard mapping problems. I really thought if I hung on long enough, the issues I had would be solved. Are used a Mac since snow leopard. Now, I'm about done. So I will be checking into signature addition machines, even though they seem ungodly expensive and a bit more than I need in terms of horse power extra graphics etc. at least there are decent free alternative screen readers now, something that wasn't true in the past. Having been on the wrong screen reader horse numerous times, from window vision to window bridge to window eyes, I absolutely refuse to keep going down the rabbit hole of the page screenwriter but never keeps up anyway.
If anybody has any PC advice, please write me off list, since I know this is wildly off-topic.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:16 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@... <mailto:daj.griffith@...>> wrote:
I perfectly understand why you might need to move into a Windows environment from the Mac. I had to make much the same journey myself because productivity stuff was too difficult on the Mac. The good news is that Windows has improved for free access with improved support for NVDA and Narrator. In an ideal world it is good to have both machines but if money is an issue I just wondered why you have not gone either the VMWare Fusion or Boot Camp route to using Windows on a Mac?
Just a suggestion – it might save you the cost of new laptop.
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ <http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/>
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts <https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts>
From: Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@...>
Sent: 30 October 2017 16:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's another thread not for this list.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone





Re: NVDA and sappy five voices

tina sohl <tinabir@...>
 

Is there a best buy near you? They have 1 24/7 warranty for 3 compuyers you can add at any time and installs are free. I'm not sure if the prices they gave us are the same everywhere though. I think it's hard getting one with out junk on it. Is there any one who could help you? We don't have anyone, so take ours to microsoft or somewhere.
Original message:

Interesting thought, Tina. There isn't a Microsoft store anywhere near here however, just as there isn't an Apple store anywhere near here. Sigh.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 31, 2017, at 8:38 AM, tina sohl <tinabir@...> wrote:
Mary, if you shop with HSN or qvc, they have good deals on pcs. We just took ours to a microsoft store and they just put windows back on it with out the junk. Just a thought.
Original message:
Thanks, David. Do you happen to know where that alternative FileExplorer might be obtained? I am not going to have a 4 TB hard drive. I'll be lucky to have a 1 TB hard drive. In fact, a 512 GB SSD would probably do me. I was looking around on the Accessibility central site. There is definitely a lot of stuff there. Now finding a machine without crap where that won't break the bank, that's another problem. I was looking on the windows store from Microsoft. It seems that everything there is either expensive or out of stock and expensive. Smile. Oh well. Something will turn up.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:42 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@... <mailto:daj.griffith@...>> wrote:


I think my main advice, personally, if you are to rely on Free Screenreaders on windows is to keep a copy of the free Explorer ++ File Management Utility on your system. The main limitation with using NVDA for me personally with Windows 10 is the way it can grind to a halt in File Explorer with large drives. I can tab around but NVDA just will not respond for ages. This problem has persisted for me through several NVDA versions and through a complete fresh install of Windows . Luckily having a copy of Explorer ++ on your system can solve this problem nicely if you happen to experience it. I just put a copy of Explorer ++ on my Desktop and I have made a shortcut of control sshift E to it. NVDA is slick fast and snappy with this alternative to File Explorer, actually faster and more responsive than Jaws with this particular utility I find. This may not be an issue for you as NVDA I think is normally responsive to smaller size drives/folders in File Explorer but it definitely cannot cope with my secondary 4TB drive which is nearly full. It flies with Explorer ++ though. Explorer ++ can if you want completely replace File Explorer but I have not gone this route. It also has file management features not available in Explorer so might be worth having anyway.
The other great resource is the Screenreader Accessible page at www.nimite.com <http://www.nimite.com> where you can get up and running with most of all the free programs you will need, including actually NVDA, with one single unattended and silent installer. Finally the addons repository and the Accessibility Central website which I believe the moderator on this list supports is also a great resource to get up and running with the Road Tested NVDA programs sections especially useful.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ <http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/>
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ <http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/>
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts <https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts>
From: Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@...>
Sent: 30 October 2017 18:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
I had a Boot Camp Windows 7 installation on my Mac. It's actually still there. But I had some issues. Anyway, I didn't want to do fusion, because I had heard a lot about audio problems and keyboard mapping problems. I really thought if I hung on long enough, the issues I had would be solved. Are used a Mac since snow leopard. Now, I'm about done. So I will be checking into signature addition machines, even though they seem ungodly expensive and a bit more than I need in terms of horse power extra graphics etc. at least there are decent free alternative screen readers now, something that wasn't true in the past. Having been on the wrong screen reader horse numerous times, from window vision to window bridge to window eyes, I absolutely refuse to keep going down the rabbit hole of the page screenwriter but never keeps up anyway.
If anybody has any PC advice, please write me off list, since I know this is wildly off-topic.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:16 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@... <mailto:daj.griffith@...>> wrote:
I perfectly understand why you might need to move into a Windows environment from the Mac. I had to make much the same journey myself because productivity stuff was too difficult on the Mac. The good news is that Windows has improved for free access with improved support for NVDA and Narrator. In an ideal world it is good to have both machines but if money is an issue I just wondered why you have not gone either the VMWare Fusion or Boot Camp route to using Windows on a Mac?
Just a suggestion – it might save you the cost of new laptop.
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ <http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/>
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts <https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts>
From: Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@...>
Sent: 30 October 2017 16:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's another thread not for this list.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone





Re: NVDA and sappy five voices

Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

Interesting thought, Tina. There isn't a Microsoft store anywhere near here however, just as there isn't an Apple store anywhere near here. Sigh.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 31, 2017, at 8:38 AM, tina sohl <tinabir@...> wrote:

Mary, if you shop with HSN or qvc, they have good deals on pcs. We just took ours to a microsoft store and they just put windows back on it with out the junk. Just a thought.
Original message:
Thanks, David. Do you happen to know where that alternative FileExplorer might be obtained? I am not going to have a 4 TB hard drive. I'll be lucky to have a 1 TB hard drive. In fact, a 512 GB SSD would probably do me. I was looking around on the Accessibility central site. There is definitely a lot of stuff there. Now finding a machine without crap where that won't break the bank, that's another problem. I was looking on the windows store from Microsoft. It seems that everything there is either expensive or out of stock and expensive. Smile. Oh well. Something will turn up.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:42 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@... <mailto:daj.griffith@...>> wrote:


I think my main advice, personally, if you are to rely on Free Screenreaders on windows is to keep a copy of the free Explorer ++ File Management Utility on your system. The main limitation with using NVDA for me personally with Windows 10 is the way it can grind to a halt in File Explorer with large drives. I can tab around but NVDA just will not respond for ages. This problem has persisted for me through several NVDA versions and through a complete fresh install of Windows . Luckily having a copy of Explorer ++ on your system can solve this problem nicely if you happen to experience it. I just put a copy of Explorer ++ on my Desktop and I have made a shortcut of control sshift E to it. NVDA is slick fast and snappy with this alternative to File Explorer, actually faster and more responsive than Jaws with this particular utility I find. This may not be an issue for you as NVDA I think is normally responsive to smaller size drives/folders in File Explorer but it definitely cannot cope with my secondary 4TB drive which is nearly full. It flies with Explorer ++ though. Explorer ++ can if you want completely replace File Explorer but I have not gone this route. It also has file management features not available in Explorer so might be worth having anyway.
The other great resource is the Screenreader Accessible page at www.nimite.com <http://www.nimite.com> where you can get up and running with most of all the free programs you will need, including actually NVDA, with one single unattended and silent installer. Finally the addons repository and the Accessibility Central website which I believe the moderator on this list supports is also a great resource to get up and running with the Road Tested NVDA programs sections especially useful.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ <http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/>
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ <http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/>
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts <https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts>
From: Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@...>
Sent: 30 October 2017 18:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
I had a Boot Camp Windows 7 installation on my Mac. It's actually still there. But I had some issues. Anyway, I didn't want to do fusion, because I had heard a lot about audio problems and keyboard mapping problems. I really thought if I hung on long enough, the issues I had would be solved. Are used a Mac since snow leopard. Now, I'm about done. So I will be checking into signature addition machines, even though they seem ungodly expensive and a bit more than I need in terms of horse power extra graphics etc. at least there are decent free alternative screen readers now, something that wasn't true in the past. Having been on the wrong screen reader horse numerous times, from window vision to window bridge to window eyes, I absolutely refuse to keep going down the rabbit hole of the page screenwriter but never keeps up anyway.
If anybody has any PC advice, please write me off list, since I know this is wildly off-topic.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:16 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@... <mailto:daj.griffith@...>> wrote:
I perfectly understand why you might need to move into a Windows environment from the Mac. I had to make much the same journey myself because productivity stuff was too difficult on the Mac. The good news is that Windows has improved for free access with improved support for NVDA and Narrator. In an ideal world it is good to have both machines but if money is an issue I just wondered why you have not gone either the VMWare Fusion or Boot Camp route to using Windows on a Mac?
Just a suggestion – it might save you the cost of new laptop.
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ <http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/>
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts <https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts>
From: Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@...>
Sent: 30 October 2017 16:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's another thread not for this list.
Mary
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Re: NVDA and sappy five voices

tina sohl <tinabir@...>
 

Mary, if you shop with HSN or qvc, they have good deals on pcs. We just took ours to a microsoft store and they just put windows back on it with out the junk. Just a thought.
Original message:

Thanks, David. Do you happen to know where that alternative FileExplorer might be obtained? I am not going to have a 4 TB hard drive. I'll be lucky to have a 1 TB hard drive. In fact, a 512 GB SSD would probably do me. I was looking around on the Accessibility central site. There is definitely a lot of stuff there. Now finding a machine without crap where that won't break the bank, that's another problem. I was looking on the windows store from Microsoft. It seems that everything there is either expensive or out of stock and expensive. Smile. Oh well. Something will turn up.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:42 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@... <mailto:daj.griffith@...>> wrote:


I think my main advice, personally, if you are to rely on Free Screenreaders on windows is to keep a copy of the free Explorer ++ File Management Utility on your system. The main limitation with using NVDA for me personally with Windows 10 is the way it can grind to a halt in File Explorer with large drives. I can tab around but NVDA just will not respond for ages. This problem has persisted for me through several NVDA versions and through a complete fresh install of Windows . Luckily having a copy of Explorer ++ on your system can solve this problem nicely if you happen to experience it. I just put a copy of Explorer ++ on my Desktop and I have made a shortcut of control sshift E to it. NVDA is slick fast and snappy with this alternative to File Explorer, actually faster and more responsive than Jaws with this particular utility I find. This may not be an issue for you as NVDA I think is normally responsive to smaller size drives/folders in File Explorer but it definitely cannot cope with my secondary 4TB drive which is nearly full. It flies with Explorer ++ though. Explorer ++ can if you want completely replace File Explorer but I have not gone this route. It also has file management features not available in Explorer so might be worth having anyway.
The other great resource is the Screenreader Accessible page at www.nimite.com <http://www.nimite.com> where you can get up and running with most of all the free programs you will need, including actually NVDA, with one single unattended and silent installer. Finally the addons repository and the Accessibility Central website which I believe the moderator on this list supports is also a great resource to get up and running with the Road Tested NVDA programs sections especially useful.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ <http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/>
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ <http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/>
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts <https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts>
From: Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@...>
Sent: 30 October 2017 18:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
I had a Boot Camp Windows 7 installation on my Mac. It's actually still there. But I had some issues. Anyway, I didn't want to do fusion, because I had heard a lot about audio problems and keyboard mapping problems. I really thought if I hung on long enough, the issues I had would be solved. Are used a Mac since snow leopard. Now, I'm about done. So I will be checking into signature addition machines, even though they seem ungodly expensive and a bit more than I need in terms of horse power extra graphics etc. at least there are decent free alternative screen readers now, something that wasn't true in the past. Having been on the wrong screen reader horse numerous times, from window vision to window bridge to window eyes, I absolutely refuse to keep going down the rabbit hole of the page screenwriter but never keeps up anyway.
If anybody has any PC advice, please write me off list, since I know this is wildly off-topic.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:16 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@... <mailto:daj.griffith@...>> wrote:
I perfectly understand why you might need to move into a Windows environment from the Mac. I had to make much the same journey myself because productivity stuff was too difficult on the Mac. The good news is that Windows has improved for free access with improved support for NVDA and Narrator. In an ideal world it is good to have both machines but if money is an issue I just wondered why you have not gone either the VMWare Fusion or Boot Camp route to using Windows on a Mac?
Just a suggestion – it might save you the cost of new laptop.
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ <http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/>
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts <https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts>
From: Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@...>
Sent: 30 October 2017 16:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's another thread not for this list.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone


Re: fixing error message?

 

I uninstalled nvda, removed all freedom scientific products
I then re installed nvda, and jaws 18 and thus far it appears to be fixed.
at this point I am not going to touch jaws 2018
at least on windows7
I have no idea what was going on with it but from what I can determan jaws2018
seems to be the colprate
any idea why jaws 2018 breaks nvda?
Hank

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I thought I read he was using Windows 7, and the error could be due to so many things of course. often rolling back only works till the offending update is reinstalled by whatever put it on before, so it will pay in the long run to attempt to pin it down I think.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] fixing error message?


Its unfortunate that so many people either turn off system restore or never check to make sure if its on.  it's one thing if people have another way to revert the machine such as disk images or a program like Roll Back.  But it's a bad idea not to have System Restore on if you aren't using any reversion program.

You said you registered the files but are you sure they are still there in the first place?  Did you check to see if there is anything to register?  In Windows 10, as I understand it, you can reload Windows and keep all your programs installed.  I don't know anything about that option but I've seen discussions that it is available.  My impression is that it places a clean version of
Windows on your machine but keeps everything from the old installation that is necessary to run your already installed programs including the old programs.  Others who know more about all this may wish to comment.  But I would strongly urge anyone who isn't using another reversion program to make sure system restore is on.  I don't know how many times I've seen instances when System Restore would be likely or very likely to quickly solve a problem but it isn't available.

Another option may be System File Checker but I don't know enough about that option to discuss it.  Perhaps someone else will.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: The Wolf
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 4:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] fixing error message?


Hello I reregistered the dlls and tried to get nvda up and running still
same problem

I can't do a system restore I forgot I turned it off a long time ago

can any one suggest anything else?

I don't want to reload windows unless I have to

really need to get this issue resolved







.


Re: NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Devin Prater
 

Ribbons remind me of using Emacs, the "Extensible, advanced, self-documenting text editor," or something like that. To open the tutorial, you press Control+H, then T. That's how it reminds me of the ribbon, because of the layered keystrokes. It's actually pretty accessible, since everything, that I've come across, has a keystroke attached to it, so if one wants to memorize lists of keys, you can do that. If you like exploring, you can do that too.

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 9:02 AM Ian Robinson <ian228@...> wrote:

Hi David,

 

Thank you for the tip about bringing up a context menu when no item is selected.  I use that feature on the windows Desktop, but it never occurred to me to use it in Outlook or File Explorer.  Very handy indeed.

 

Regards.

 

Ian

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: 30 October 2017 10:30


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

 

 

I have not read all this thread but in terms of the problem you are experiencing you can get a simple menu system to achieve what you want in Windows and actually many other applications like Outlook.

Specifically for achieving detailed view.

In the File Explorer window focus on any file.

Now hit control plus space to de-select it so no files  are selected in the folder.

Now hit the application key or shift F10 and an  easy NVDA friendly menu system whill open up, abit like the old menu interface of windows. Here you can easily change the view and sort characteristics of  the folder in the way you used to in XP etc.

The same trick works in the Outlook message list as well.

 

David Griffith

 

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Karim Lakhani
Sent: 30 October 2017 05:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

 

I'm just speaking on a blind persons view.

I wanted to change the lay out of my folder and I kept going in circles.

I wanted the details view but it took me a lot longer to accomplish the task.

I thought logic is what goes into computers?

I'm not sure what to think any more.

lat m for move instead of alt v?

 

 

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reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Once you take the trouble to learn to navigate through ribbons, it actually becomes quite comfortable.  I perswonally find Ribbons a rather neat concept, much neater than menus sometimes, but I am speaking from a programmer's viewpoint.

 

On 30/10/2017 11:22 AM, Gene wrote:

You don't know that I love the ribbons.  I don't care if a program uses menus or ribbons.  I simply try to convince people to try to understand ribbons because much or most of the dislike of ribbons is based on inadequate or improper instruction or insufficient learning about them. 

 

You seem to have an antiMicrosoft bias and I'm not sure what you are commenting on in my last message on the subject.  Edge is using a very different design.  firefox is significantly changing its design as well.  Why are you singling out Microsoft?  Microsoft is not perfect when it comes to accessibility.  But they are much better than a lot of companies.  All you have to do is consider all the complaining about inaccessible or not properly accessible antimalware programs to get an idea of this. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 9:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

 

And MS. still can't get it right.

I'm not sure if you could explain when moving messages to a folder, use to be alt "M" now it's "V"

I know you love the ribbons but unfortunately even jaws had to put a patch or to removing it.

I'm not sure what the logic is any more.

I guess that is the way of the world now.

 

 

 

 

EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...

$$$$

SKYPE: goldenace4

$$$$

Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

I would suggest not jumping to what seem like obvious conclusions.  the Edge browser is nothing like the old browsers in terms of how information is presented to screen-readers or how screen-readers extract information.  I don't know if anything could have been done more quickly in terms of achieving accessibility but Microsoft was far ahead in accessibility than Apple for over a decade. 

 

Apple gets all sorts of credit but it did what it did mostly out of necessity.  they were facing the prospect of losing a lot of educational school contracts because there products weren't accessible.  Long before that, Microsoft was doing serious work on accessibility. 

 

\Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 11:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

 

the MS. programs are a joke.
They wait until the  screen readers catch up to technology, and
then decide to make things as sighted friendly they can.
I'm not sure how Apple can produce accessibility and MS. is still
trying.
Did they have a beta tester on the team who used NVDA with Edge?
I'm OK, using old programs because I don't have the desire to
keep trying to stay up there with the latest and best.
 good luck!


 
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reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 2:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Another case of reinventing a wheel that works for one based on
non rolling wheels. Baby and bathwater proverbs come to mind.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 5:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser


Hi,
There is no menu bar in Edge. I know, for many of you, this is a
shocker, as
many of you are used to such things on web browsers. In reality,
there is a
"menu bar", but it is housed in a menu (quite similar to Google
Chrome). To
get there, press Alt+X.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Ron
Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Hi Group,


I normally use Firefox for my default browser.  Because of the
discussion
about Edge, I tried it and it seems to have some promise. Someone
just sent
a bunch of shortcut keys on this list and many are the same as in
Firefox.
I do have a few questions.


The biggest question is: are there any menus where in you can
customize Edge
such as there are in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer?  I
did see the
one shortcut alt + S that is supposed to open the settings
window.  I tried
this and nothing happened.  Is there some setting that I must
change to get
menus to work?


Thanks in advance for any help.


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Re: NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Ian Robinson <ian228@...>
 

Hi David,

 

Thank you for the tip about bringing up a context menu when no item is selected.  I use that feature on the windows Desktop, but it never occurred to me to use it in Outlook or File Explorer.  Very handy indeed.

 

Regards.

 

Ian

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: 30 October 2017 10:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

 

 

I have not read all this thread but in terms of the problem you are experiencing you can get a simple menu system to achieve what you want in Windows and actually many other applications like Outlook.

Specifically for achieving detailed view.

In the File Explorer window focus on any file.

Now hit control plus space to de-select it so no files  are selected in the folder.

Now hit the application key or shift F10 and an  easy NVDA friendly menu system whill open up, abit like the old menu interface of windows. Here you can easily change the view and sort characteristics of  the folder in the way you used to in XP etc.

The same trick works in the Outlook message list as well.

 

David Griffith

 

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Karim Lakhani
Sent: 30 October 2017 05:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

 

I'm just speaking on a blind persons view.

I wanted to change the lay out of my folder and I kept going in circles.

I wanted the details view but it took me a lot longer to accomplish the task.

I thought logic is what goes into computers?

I'm not sure what to think any more.

lat m for move instead of alt v?

 

 

EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...

$$$$

SKYPE: goldenace4

$$$$

Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Once you take the trouble to learn to navigate through ribbons, it actually becomes quite comfortable.  I perswonally find Ribbons a rather neat concept, much neater than menus sometimes, but I am speaking from a programmer's viewpoint.

 

On 30/10/2017 11:22 AM, Gene wrote:

You don't know that I love the ribbons.  I don't care if a program uses menus or ribbons.  I simply try to convince people to try to understand ribbons because much or most of the dislike of ribbons is based on inadequate or improper instruction or insufficient learning about them. 

 

You seem to have an antiMicrosoft bias and I'm not sure what you are commenting on in my last message on the subject.  Edge is using a very different design.  firefox is significantly changing its design as well.  Why are you singling out Microsoft?  Microsoft is not perfect when it comes to accessibility.  But they are much better than a lot of companies.  All you have to do is consider all the complaining about inaccessible or not properly accessible antimalware programs to get an idea of this. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 9:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

 

And MS. still can't get it right.

I'm not sure if you could explain when moving messages to a folder, use to be alt "M" now it's "V"

I know you love the ribbons but unfortunately even jaws had to put a patch or to removing it.

I'm not sure what the logic is any more.

I guess that is the way of the world now.

 

 

 

 

EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...

$$$$

SKYPE: goldenace4

$$$$

Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

I would suggest not jumping to what seem like obvious conclusions.  the Edge browser is nothing like the old browsers in terms of how information is presented to screen-readers or how screen-readers extract information.  I don't know if anything could have been done more quickly in terms of achieving accessibility but Microsoft was far ahead in accessibility than Apple for over a decade. 

 

Apple gets all sorts of credit but it did what it did mostly out of necessity.  they were facing the prospect of losing a lot of educational school contracts because there products weren't accessible.  Long before that, Microsoft was doing serious work on accessibility. 

 

\Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 11:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

 

the MS. programs are a joke.
They wait until the  screen readers catch up to technology, and
then decide to make things as sighted friendly they can.
I'm not sure how Apple can produce accessibility and MS. is still
trying.
Did they have a beta tester on the team who used NVDA with Edge?
I'm OK, using old programs because I don't have the desire to
keep trying to stay up there with the latest and best.
 good luck!


 
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SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 2:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Another case of reinventing a wheel that works for one based on
non rolling wheels. Baby and bathwater proverbs come to mind.
 Brian

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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 5:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser


Hi,
There is no menu bar in Edge. I know, for many of you, this is a
shocker, as
many of you are used to such things on web browsers. In reality,
there is a
"menu bar", but it is housed in a menu (quite similar to Google
Chrome). To
get there, press Alt+X.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Ron
Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Using The Edge Browser

Hi Group,


I normally use Firefox for my default browser.  Because of the
discussion
about Edge, I tried it and it seems to have some promise. Someone
just sent
a bunch of shortcut keys on this list and many are the same as in
Firefox.
I do have a few questions.


The biggest question is: are there any menus where in you can
customize Edge
such as there are in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer?  I
did see the
one shortcut alt + S that is supposed to open the settings
window.  I tried
this and nothing happened.  Is there some setting that I must
change to get
menus to work?


Thanks in advance for any help.


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Re: backing up nvda addons?

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After that you need to set it up so it will work everywhere by copying the set up on the general settings screen.
I also have custom punctuation and levels and lots of voice dictionaries which will be a real pain for some come the next nvda update as Espeak has changed its storage methodology and names from what went before, losing all your espeak dictionary files in some cases.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] backing up nvda addons?


Yes, What I normally is that I copied the file folder in the roaming directory and place it to my desktop, or flash drive. then once the reinstallation process is done I go directly to paste the addons folder to roaming directory again.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/31/2017 8:27 AM, The Wolf wrote:
Hello can any one tell me if it is posible to back up installed nvda addons?

I am just going to reload windows reinstall everything but I want to back up my nvda addd ons

and this time I am going to do what I should have done leave restore on and make sure windows7 image is backed up with active@disk image

I did some googling and didn't come up with any fix

fore my dll issue.





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All very nice but the browser issues are seriously annoying for many people and also no doubt for trainers and new screenreader users. It just shows how decisions made for no doubt laudible reasons can be seen as autocratic and completely stupid by a particular class of user, ie us.
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Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 12:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] Halloween In-Process


Hi everyone,

This week, we've got an update on using NVDA with Firefox 57, the Windows
10 Fall Creators Update, getting NV Access training and support through the
NDIS in Australia, & a spooky Halloween message (& challenge)! All in this
Halloween edition of In-Process from @NVAccess
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-halloween-2017-edition/ 🎃👻

Regards

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What are site makers doing restricting themselves to certain versions of browsers. Sounds a bit like shooting yourself in the foot for no good reason to me.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Halloween In-Process


I just looked at that.

Sadly audiogames.net needs a version of firefox over 55.x and some other sites, bandcamp, etc do not work right.

I looked into a user agent module for firefox but couldn't figure it out, so I went back to firefox 56, so I will have to well do whatever I can to handle with 57 or whenever updates come out for 57 I will have to simply not update firefox at all.

If that can be done easily well.

Also, if there are settings in about:config I can turn off then I do that.




On 31/10/2017 1:47 p.m., Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

This week, we've got an update on using NVDA with Firefox 57, the Windows
10 Fall Creators Update, getting NV Access training and support through the
NDIS in Australia, & a spooky Halloween message (& challenge)! All in this
Halloween edition of In-Process from @NVAccess
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-halloween-2017-edition/ 🎃👻

Regards

Quentin.


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It depends how dirty the way they make the software accessible is, Often if a program is important and the maker won't fix it, screenreader makers need to find a working solution outside of the established norms, and that iswhen odd things start to happen. which is what worries me about the Firefox idea and indeed about edge and universal Apps, we may have lived through the reliable access times and be embarking on a new voyage of discovery.
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Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] fixing error message?


I had a similar issue early on, I was doing some beta map testing for dolphin and found that the reader when running with some games well I could easily get past the game window, ie it just wasn't there, the reader lost focus, I alt tab away from the thing or switched windows and it was gone.

I read online, did a virus scan, did a full reformat.

That did not fix it.

So I pulled up a folder of the test maps, installed them and kept deleting the maps till I found the one that caused the issue.

I was able to report the issue to dolphin and they fixed it.

After that time though I was put off testing maps.




On 31/10/2017 7:45 p.m., John Isige wrote:
What happens if you uninstall JFW 2018 and reregister the .DLL files? If
you really want to isolate this issue, you need to do one thing at a
time, i.e. reinstall Windows if necessary, then install NVDA. if NVDA
works, install JFW 18. Run it. Then run NVDA. If NVDA still works, you
can assume it's JFW 2018 causing some sort of problem, or you can
install it and run it and then run NVDA and see if it breaks again. To
be fair, I have no answer for you at any step. If you install Windows
and then install NVDA and you still get the error, I don't have the
solution, though I'd register the .DLL files at that point and see if it
fixes it myself. But at least you'll be able to find out where the
problem is. If it's JFW 2018 causing it I'd imagine that would be
something they should provide a fix for, as it could very well affect
other things besides NVDA.


On 10/31/2017 0:00, The Wolf wrote:
I reloaded windows and the same thing happened

see my other post
something is broke some where

On 10/30/2017 9:58 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I agree, A full reformat will work, resets I am not sure if that
fixes fully or not, and since the windows install disks talk a full
reformat is probably best especially if your user stored stuff is on
another drive.




On 31/10/2017 3:45 p.m., Austin Pinto wrote:
i would say.
if the condition has gone so far that you cant even run nvda properly
its time to reload windows or restore from an image.
you may be able to patch the wound but there may be others which may
show up once you patch this one.
i would not waste time on reg backup restores and all

On 10/31/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi


Not sure but up on my nvda audio tutorials page under trouble
shooting try
the fix for the unknown issue It will have to be typed in exactly
the way it
is on the page. it might fix your issue as it registers a few files
that are
needed. If you are lucky it might fix your problem.


there is a link in this email to my website. I know it does it for
certain
files that are needed by nvda.


Gene nz

On 10/31/2017 10:25 AM, The Wolf wrote:
Hello I reregistered the dlls and tried to get nvda up and running
still
same problem

I can't do a system restore I forgot I turned it off a long time ago

can any one suggest anything else?

I don't want to reload windows unless I have to

really need to get this issue resolved






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Use 52 as it is still being updated for security patches.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Halloween In-Process


hi shaun.
i decided to never update firefox too!
i used firefox 52 for months and then decided to never update and
returned back to firefox 51 and use 51 forever!
just i promise to do so!
if you need any settings in about:config to explane you, just let me
know or contact me off list.
God bless you!

On 10/31/17, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:
Hi Quentin,

I can’t get to the in process page. I get an error of page not found. I
just wanted you to know.

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 8:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Halloween In-Process

Hi everyone,

This week, we've got an update on using NVDA with Firefox 57, the Windows 10
Fall Creators Update, getting NV Access training and support through the
NDIS in Australia, & a spooky Halloween message (& challenge)! All in this
Halloween edition of In-Process from @NVAccess
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-halloween-2017-edition/ 🎃👻


Regards

Quentin.
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http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/


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Re: skype has gone bad

 

hi shaun.
i use skype 7.37 and in skype version 7, i have some inconvinient using it.
sometimes i loos accessibility, sometimes enter does not work when i
wanted to chat to someone.
can i be in contact with you off list?
do you mean skype version 8 is worse and have many problems with accessibility?

On 10/31/17, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:
no the desktop classic


On 10/30/2017 2:55 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Is this for the new skype interface?

I will try it again.




On 31/10/2017 7:38 a.m., The Wolf wrote:
try turning on accessibility under advanced in skype


On 10/30/2017 11:30 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Well I just decided to update skype for windows desktops.

It sadly appears that skype the new skype sadly is not even closed
to accessible.

Buttons for contacts and messages appear ok but over that there is a
lot of clickable, clickable, clickables.

The settings tab was completely inaccessible though I was able to
set it up just fine.

I really hope ms is going to keep skype classic, you can get round
this right now by typing skype setup full in google and it will find
you the old one but how long this will stay out is anyone's guess.

I can't even get the right click menu in system tray to work.

If anything else all I really want is ms to keep skype classic
available for those that want it, they don't need to do anything to
it, I'd prefur a simple classic skype for us blind people but
failing that if skype stays as it is well.

I just can't loose skype all my business and other stuff goes
through it.

Its not an option, but if skype becomes crap, I may have to use an
old version or even just no longer use skype because its crap now!

No, I can't even do that, the new interface I just can't get round
it, I have been happily able to reinstall skype classic and update
it with the latest classic version.

You need to look for the classic version now.

This is not on.

And it appears the new app won't run on the latest win10 which
itself is fine but to be honest the classic skype is really accessible.








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Re: Halloween In-Process

 

hi quentin, i could open your post without problem.
may i ask whats the meaning of [nvda] Halloween?
i did not understand whats is it.
God bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you.

On 10/31/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi shaun.
i decided to never update firefox too!
i used firefox 52 for months and then decided to never update and
returned back to firefox 51 and use 51 forever!
just i promise to do so!
if you need any settings in about:config to explane you, just let me
know or contact me off list.
God bless you!

On 10/31/17, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:
Hi Quentin,

I can’t get to the in process page. I get an error of page not found. I
just wanted you to know.

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 8:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Halloween In-Process

Hi everyone,

This week, we've got an update on using NVDA with Firefox 57, the Windows
10
Fall Creators Update, getting NV Access training and support through the
NDIS in Australia, & a spooky Halloween message (& challenge)! All in
this
Halloween edition of In-Process from @NVAccess
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-halloween-2017-edition/ 🎃👻


Regards

Quentin.
--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/


www.nvaccess.org

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org