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Re: New NVDA user

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Welcome aboard! Sorry about not getting the job, that sucks!Their are a number of add ons that I find useful, they are clip speak, clip contents designer, OBJ Pad, review cursor copier, golden cursor, resource monitor, easy table navigator and place markers just to name a few.


Tony 


On 10/31/2017 2:21 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Hello folks. I’m sure other people have posted testimonials of some sort here before, but I fancy some enjoy reading such things, so here goes with mine. Feel free to ignore this message as I’m not posting for help or anything like that, though I will end with a question of sorts for the list.

 

I’ve been a JAWS user since, roughly, 1999. I recently got a Windows 10 machine (upgraded from XP!) and was able to get new JAWS at a discounted price from my former employer. I took advantage of the discount just before they laid me off! *grins*

 

Well, obviously perhaps, I’ve been spending a lot of time looking for employment since then. I recently had an interview where they needed me to do a test on a computer. They had not much idea about accommodations for blind folks but seemed very willing to give it a go. With a faint glimmer of hope, I told them about JAWS: that it was the most professional screen-reader around; that “yes, I know it’s really expensive, but there is a demo you can run for forty minutes at a time!”, etc, etc. ‘There’s also this thing called NVDA,” I muttered a little under my breath, “which is a free one; if you can’t get JAWS working, I suppose I could work with that.” I showed up to the interview, foolishly hoping my ole’ buddy the shark would save me. Nope! They couldn’t even get the demo to run, for some reason (the test computer was an old one, I think, running XP). So, NVDA it was to be!

 

I’ll back up a bit and say I’ve known about nVDA for quite some time. I always thought it might come in handy and that I should get it on one of my machines and start using it, but never got around to it. The closest I came was using it on my ex-wife’s laptop, mostly to play music. I still don’t like eSpeak, I’m afraid, and I used it on a Linux machine running Orca before, too. Because that laptop wasn’t mine I never really spent a lot of time with it; didn’t realise it would in fact be possible to change the synthesiser to something more to my liking.

 

Well, there I was, sitting in this open office, sweating profusely and feeling tense because I didn’t really know what I was doing. I managed to switch the voice to the XP narrator one, and that was reasonably ok. I found that everything worked like a charm! I only had to use three programmes at that time: notepad, MS Word and a programme for audio playback/transcription that had (thankfully) native keystroke commands. A part of the test was related to spelling and grammar, so I was able to configure NVDA, without reference to the user guide or any prior experience, to speak the level of punctuation I wanted and to indicate capital letters in a way that was convenient. There was a time limit involved, so I really wasn’t able to play around as much as I should have, yet I was very pleased that I was basically able to get everything up and working to my satisfaction.

 

Now I’m at home, running nVDA, and really liking it. I have no JAWS upgrades left, and that doesn’t bother me as much as I thought it would, though I’m not abandoning it altogether as I’m sure both screen-readers have their strengths.

 

So, I read the user guide. Great. A lot of very familiar keystrokes. Some small differences, but that’s fine and even welcome. I stumbled across the “switching from jAWS to nVDA” wiki page today and read through it; it confirmed some of what I’d already noted. I have also been looking through the add-ons on the official page and just installed the Windows 10 Essentials one. I don’t like these modern universal apps much, but, you know, may as well get used to them if they’re the up-and-coming thing, and maybe they’ll actually work better with NVDA than they do with JAWS.

 

What do you all think, those of you who have expereince with both screen-readers? Any thoughts that might not have been mentioned on the wiki over there? I’m not looking to start an argument, obviously, but I didn’t get a lot of feedback when I posted a similar message (without some of th e sarcasm) on the JAWS list, and I thought it might actually go over better here.

 

Also, what add-ons do you all like to use?

 

Cheers, and glad to be a part of the NVDA community.

 

P.S.: I didn’t get the job. That’s ok. I still learned something.



Re: New NVDA user

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hey Damien. No, you are right, JAWS officially has nothing like this, and it is a shame, but I guess, typical of commercial products. The closest thing would probably be the JAWS users page, which has a page with a bunch of script links, but it’s hardly everything and I never got the impression FS really encouraged people to do this.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Sykes-Lindley
Sent: November 1, 2017 2:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA user

 

Hi,

The reason I say NVDA addons are managed better than JAWS scripts is because NVDA has the addon repository. Admittedly I haven’t visited the JAWS website in some time, but last I checked they didn’t have a similar repository for JAWS scripts so you had to search high and low for them.

Cheers.

Damien.

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 8:01 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA user

 

Hi. Thanks for the awesome response.

 

Yeah, the eSpeak voice – you know, I recently got an emulator for the Apple 2 and old Echo speech synthesizer. It was really eerie to hear that singing robotic voice again after so many years. It’s weird that I have an easier time listening to that than I do eSpeak, a synth still in use today, but there you go. I don’t demand the human-sounding ones; Eloquence is really good enough for me, but I’ve gotten used to Vocalizer with JAWS now and mostly like it … only as you say, it sounds worse when you increase the  speech rate.

 

 

 

Interesting that you say NVDA add-ons work better than JAWS scripts for their respective products. Why is that? They do seem a little easier to install. I use both Goldwave and Winamp, so I’ll gladly give those ones a try.

 

Thanks again.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Sykes-Lindley
Sent: October 31, 2017 3:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA user

 

Hi,

Running JAWS in 40 minute mode was about the best I could hope for before getting NVDA. There are a whole bunch of voices you can get for NVDA, including recently Eloquence, the same voice that is generally and traditionally associated with JAWS. If you prefer the complete JAWS keyboard layout you can of course remap NVDA’s commands to your liking, as well as have separate configurations per application. A lot of this has only happened over the past few years. I have been using NVDA as my primary screen reader now for the past four or five years.

As for speech synthesisers, they are the most important component for those relying on audible feedback only and have thus opened up plenty of cans of worms for people. Especially if they are not understood.

As far as I’m concerned, though ESpeak is free, responsive and portable, I struggle to understand it due to its robotic nature, its sharpness, and it’s tonal timbre. Reminds me of a distorted version of the Dolphin Apollo 2 with a bit of feedback.

Concatenative speech synthesisers also have their drawbacks. They can pick the wrong samples, you can hear audible artefacts at faster speeds and different pitches, and they are less responsive than the formant ones.

While Eloquence is not my be-all-end-all, it is definitely one of the most readily available. What’s more, fortunately there is a legal way to use Eloquence with NVDA now.

While I believe wholeheartedly that without commercial screen readers we would probably never gotten as far as we have with such as NVDA, I also believe, just as strongly, that we shouldn’t have to pay any more than a sighted person should have to pay for a screen to be able to access information on our computers. Therefore even were I given the choice I would probably never upgrade to a commercial reader on principle, unless of course the price was significantly lowered.

As for addons. NVDA works a lot better with addons than JAWS did with scripts. NVDA has a central repository of addons that you can browse and use. While some people do create addons and host them privately, the vast majority of things that need to be scripted are available officially.

What addons you use depend on what applications you use. Personally, I use the GoldWave and Winamp addons. I used the Station Playlist addon until recently when I stopped broadcasting.

As for generic addons, again it depends what functionality you’re looking for. I wrote an addon to try and simulate, if not improve, the announcements that JAWS makes when you access the clipboard. Though it does have some known snags...

There’s also the Day of the Week addon that I’m fond of, sometimes I use NVDA Remote (though generally only to access my home PC should I be away with my laptop etc, very rare for me!), Virtual Review, System Tray etc. Of course there’s also ones that I have no need for, such as OCR, weather retrieval, speech recognition, translation, enhanced clock etc.

Hope that helps.

Cheers.
Damien.

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 6:21 PM

Subject: [nvda] New NVDA user

 

Hello folks. I’m sure other people have posted testimonials of some sort here before, but I fancy some enjoy reading such things, so here goes with mine. Feel free to ignore this message as I’m not posting for help or anything like that, though I will end with a question of sorts for the list.

 

I’ve been a JAWS user since, roughly, 1999. I recently got a Windows 10 machine (upgraded from XP!) and was able to get new JAWS at a discounted price from my former employer. I took advantage of the discount just before they laid me off! *grins*

 

Well, obviously perhaps, I’ve been spending a lot of time looking for employment since then. I recently had an interview where they needed me to do a test on a computer. They had not much idea about accommodations for blind folks but seemed very willing to give it a go. With a faint glimmer of hope, I told them about JAWS: that it was the most professional screen-reader around; that “yes, I know it’s really expensive, but there is a demo you can run for forty minutes at a time!”, etc, etc. ‘There’s also this thing called NVDA,” I muttered a little under my breath, “which is a free one; if you can’t get JAWS working, I suppose I could work with that.” I showed up to the interview, foolishly hoping my ole’ buddy the shark would save me. Nope! They couldn’t even get the demo to run, for some reason (the test computer was an old one, I think, running XP). So, NVDA it was to be!

 

I’ll back up a bit and say I’ve known about nVDA for quite some time. I always thought it might come in handy and that I should get it on one of my machines and start using it, but never got around to it. The closest I came was using it on my ex-wife’s laptop, mostly to play music. I still don’t like eSpeak, I’m afraid, and I used it on a Linux machine running Orca before, too. Because that laptop wasn’t mine I never really spent a lot of time with it; didn’t realise it would in fact be possible to change the synthesiser to something more to my liking.

 

Well, there I was, sitting in this open office, sweating profusely and feeling tense because I didn’t really know what I was doing. I managed to switch the voice to the XP narrator one, and that was reasonably ok. I found that everything worked like a charm! I only had to use three programmes at that time: notepad, MS Word and a programme for audio playback/transcription that had (thankfully) native keystroke commands. A part of the test was related to spelling and grammar, so I was able to configure NVDA, without reference to the user guide or any prior experience, to speak the level of punctuation I wanted and to indicate capital letters in a way that was convenient. There was a time limit involved, so I really wasn’t able to play around as much as I should have, yet I was very pleased that I was basically able to get everything up and working to my satisfaction.

 

Now I’m at home, running nVDA, and really liking it. I have no JAWS upgrades left, and that doesn’t bother me as much as I thought it would, though I’m not abandoning it altogether as I’m sure both screen-readers have their strengths.

 

So, I read the user guide. Great. A lot of very familiar keystrokes. Some small differences, but that’s fine and even welcome. I stumbled across the “switching from jAWS to nVDA” wiki page today and read through it; it confirmed some of what I’d already noted. I have also been looking through the add-ons on the official page and just installed the Windows 10 Essentials one. I don’t like these modern universal apps much, but, you know, may as well get used to them if they’re the up-and-coming thing, and maybe they’ll actually work better with NVDA than they do with JAWS.

 

What do you all think, those of you who have expereince with both screen-readers? Any thoughts that might not have been mentioned on the wiki over there? I’m not looking to start an argument, obviously, but I didn’t get a lot of feedback when I posted a similar message (without some of th e sarcasm) on the JAWS list, and I thought it might actually go over better here.

 

Also, what add-ons do you all like to use?

 

Cheers, and glad to be a part of the NVDA community.

 

P.S.: I didn’t get the job. That’s ok. I still learned something.


Re: Reading PDF files with NVDA using acrobat? Or a webbrowser?

Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

I have no problem paying for programs when they do what I need them to do. Free is nice, but it’s not always the best.


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On Nov 1, 2017, at 9:56 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

Personally I use  QRead for PDFs but this is not free.

As an experiment I took a Powerpoint presentation  which somebody had sent to me today  and converted it to a PDF.

I then opened it  from File Explorer in Edge with NVDA.

To a basic extent it worked very well and everything appeared to be read easily and normally in  Edge,. Certainly I could read through with line by line or  or paragraph just listen to the whole document with a say all command/ This  at least appears to be better than the say all interruption bug causing problems on the Mac at the moment.

The main downside is that although NVDA detected and announced the existence  of Headings n this document it did not navigate to them in my case with the use of the H heading command.

However as I say this was not a normal PDF so I would have to experiment further with this to see if it is a general problem.

However it seems that Edge is at least as good as if not better than the free text based PDF options like the Webbie Reader.

 

In terms of reading Tables  in PDFs Ihave in the past got around this by using Abbey Finereader which has seemed one of the best programs for detecting tables with a scan. I normally just read the tables then using Microsoft Word or save to Html to read in a browser.

However it may be that Acrobat support for screen reading access to tables has improved. I would have to hunt down a PDF with tables to check this out.

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

and.

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Mary Otten
Sent: 01 November 2017 15:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading PDF files with NVDA using acrobat? Or a webbrowser?

 

So you are referring to the acrobat DC reader? I guess there is only one reader now? Just wanting to make sure I don’t get anything more complex then I need to have.

Mary

 

 

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> On Nov 1, 2017, at 8:03 AM, Domingos de Oliveira via Groups.Io <domingos20000@...> wrote:

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> Adobe Reader will tag the document automatically. When you start the programm first time, it will recognize that you are using assistive technology. You will then have to configure the Auto tagging function. When you open a document, the reader will insert the tags. After a few mintues, depends on the size of the document you can start to read. This procedure is not necessary for accessible or taged documents, but these docs are very rare.

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>> Am 01.11.2017 um 15:31 schrieb Mary Otten:

>> I am coming from an old windows XP machine where I used an old version of Adobe acrobat with good success on many PDF files. It let me navigate tables, access links, read continuously if I wanted to, page through the document, etc. i’m going to get a new Windows 10 machine, and I’m going to put NVDA on it and of course it will have narrator. I want to know which method work the best for reading PDF files. I understand they will open in edge if you want. And I assume the Adobe DC acrobat reader or whatever it’s called is also accessible. I gather the older readers are no longer supported. Anyway, I’m looking for something that will give me the best possible experience with the least possible hassle.

>> Mary

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Re: New NVDA user

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hi. Thanks for the response. This seems a friendly and helpful community.

Just a quick question, Claire....I noticed there are two possible Vocalizer
add-ons: one packaged with Eloquence and made my Code Factory, the other
simply called "Nuance Vocalizer Expressive" or something like that. I'm
thinking of getting the second one so that I can get my favourite "premium
high quality" Daniel voice working with nVDA. But which one do you use?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare
Page
Sent: November 1, 2017 6:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA user

Hi!
I was a JAWS user for ten years before I switched to using NVDA full-time. I
used JAWS 3.5 on Windows 98 to begin with, then JAWS 6.20 on Windows XP. In
2010 my XP computer started having power issues, so I started using NVDA
more regularly on that computer because it used less power. That computer
finally gave up the ghost in 2011, so, as I couldn't afford to upgrade JAWS
for Windows 7, I switched to NVDA and have used that ever since. The only
thing which would make me use JAWS again is if I needed it for a particular
job, or if I was using someone else's computer which has JAWS but not NVDA,
but neither situation seems very likely for me right now.
As for add-ons, I use several, including Vocalizer, the add-on for Winamp,
and the add-on to read emoticons and emojis which are so often used these
days. There are lots of good add-ons out there, depending on what you want,
whether it's extra voices or extra functions.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Isige
Sent: mardi 31 octobre 2017 20:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA user

Well I don't know about strengths and weaknesses. But my testimonial is that
I got sick of paying for jaws, so I decided to try NVDA for a month, I think
it was. There were a few times, mostly with installers or the like, where
I'd run into a situation where NVDA wouldn't read the screen, so I'd fire up
jaws. Jaws didn't read the screen either. I realized that NVDA was doing
everything I needed it to and jaws wasn't offering me any advantages that I
could see, so I switched. Pretty simple really. I have nothing against jaws,
used it for years, man I want to say from 3 or 4 or such.

As for addons, you might want to check out NVDA Remote. There's an addon for
Winamp and VLC. I've got Vocalizer for NVDA. The SysTrayList addon is nice,
but that's mostly because I can never remember if there's a quick way to get
to the system tray without it. NVDA works just fine without it, you can get
into the tray and right click and all, but the addon basically gives you the
equivalent of jaws-F11. A couple other jaws equivalents are Virtual Review
and Place Markers, the latter gives you place markers on web pages and some
other documents. Hope that helps.


Re: NVDA and sappy five voices

Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

Yes, we have a Best Buy. I had a bad experience a few years ago when I purchased a laptop, and they said they were going to take all the junk off and they didn’t. And I paid them 100 bucks for the privilege. Things could’ve changed I suppose. I’ll be checking their end with a couple of small shops here in town.


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On Oct 31, 2017, at 9:09 AM, tina sohl <tinabir@...> wrote:

Is there a best buy near you? They have 1 24/7 warranty for 3 compuyers you can add at any time and installs are free. I'm not sure if the prices they gave us are the same everywhere though. I think it's hard getting one with out junk on it. Is there any one who could help you? We don't have anyone, so take ours to microsoft or somewhere.
Original message:
Interesting thought, Tina. There isn't a Microsoft store anywhere near here however, just as there isn't an Apple store anywhere near here. Sigh.
Mary

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On Oct 31, 2017, at 8:38 AM, tina sohl <tinabir@...> wrote:
Mary, if you shop with HSN or qvc, they have good deals on pcs. We just took ours to a microsoft store and they just put windows back on it with out the junk. Just a thought.
Original message:
Thanks, David. Do you happen to know where that alternative FileExplorer might be obtained? I am not going to have a 4 TB hard drive. I'll be lucky to have a 1 TB hard drive. In fact, a 512 GB SSD would probably do me. I was looking around on the Accessibility central site. There is definitely a lot of stuff there. Now finding a machine without crap where that won't break the bank, that's another problem. I was looking on the windows store from Microsoft. It seems that everything there is either expensive or out of stock and expensive. Smile. Oh well. Something will turn up.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:42 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@... <mailto:daj.griffith@...>> wrote:


I think my main advice, personally, if you are to rely on Free Screenreaders on windows is to keep a copy of the free Explorer ++ File Management Utility on your system. The main limitation with using NVDA for me personally with Windows 10 is the way it can grind to a halt in File Explorer with large drives. I can tab around but NVDA just will not respond for ages. This problem has persisted for me through several NVDA versions and through a complete fresh install of Windows . Luckily having a copy of Explorer ++ on your system can solve this problem nicely if you happen to experience it. I just put a copy of Explorer ++ on my Desktop and I have made a shortcut of control sshift E to it. NVDA is slick fast and snappy with this alternative to File Explorer, actually faster and more responsive than Jaws with this particular utility I find. This may not be an issue for you as NVDA I think is normally responsive to smaller size drives/folders in File Explorer but it definitely cannot cope with my secondary 4TB drive which is nearly full. It flies with Explorer ++ though. Explorer ++ can if you want completely replace File Explorer but I have not gone this route. It also has file management features not available in Explorer so might be worth having anyway.
The other great resource is the Screenreader Accessible page at www.nimite.com <http://www.nimite.com> where you can get up and running with most of all the free programs you will need, including actually NVDA, with one single unattended and silent installer. Finally the addons repository and the Accessibility Central website which I believe the moderator on this list supports is also a great resource to get up and running with the Road Tested NVDA programs sections especially useful.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ <http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/>
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ <http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/>
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts <https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts>
From: Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@...>
Sent: 30 October 2017 18:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
I had a Boot Camp Windows 7 installation on my Mac. It's actually still there. But I had some issues. Anyway, I didn't want to do fusion, because I had heard a lot about audio problems and keyboard mapping problems. I really thought if I hung on long enough, the issues I had would be solved. Are used a Mac since snow leopard. Now, I'm about done. So I will be checking into signature addition machines, even though they seem ungodly expensive and a bit more than I need in terms of horse power extra graphics etc. at least there are decent free alternative screen readers now, something that wasn't true in the past. Having been on the wrong screen reader horse numerous times, from window vision to window bridge to window eyes, I absolutely refuse to keep going down the rabbit hole of the page screenwriter but never keeps up anyway.
If anybody has any PC advice, please write me off list, since I know this is wildly off-topic.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:16 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@... <mailto:daj.griffith@...>> wrote:
I perfectly understand why you might need to move into a Windows environment from the Mac. I had to make much the same journey myself because productivity stuff was too difficult on the Mac. The good news is that Windows has improved for free access with improved support for NVDA and Narrator. In an ideal world it is good to have both machines but if money is an issue I just wondered why you have not gone either the VMWare Fusion or Boot Camp route to using Windows on a Mac?
Just a suggestion – it might save you the cost of new laptop.
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ <http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/>
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts <https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts>
From: Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@...>
Sent: 30 October 2017 16:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's another thread not for this list.
Mary
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Re: NVDA and sappy five voices

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Mary,


Sure does! It also works with windows one core voices as well.


Tony

On 10/30/2017 12:26 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's another thread not for this list.
Mary


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Re: Reading PDF files with NVDA using acrobat? Or a web browser?

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hi.

I use qRead, as someone else mentioned below. It is not free but works with PDFs, epubs and a couple of other formats, and I like it because it loads them really, really fast, even if they are large, which isn't really the case with Adobe. I also have Adobe pro on this machine and I really like it; the oCR feature is great. Again though, it's slow as can be, even on my new Windows 10 machine, so not always a nice solution.

I tested Adobe Acrobat DC on a work machine running Windows 10 and it works pretty well with JAWS, at least. I can't speak for its funcationality with nVDA (which I myself just started using), and there's the caveat about speed I mentioned earlier, which never seems something Adobe has been interested in improving upon.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: November 1, 2017 10:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading PDF files with NVDA using acrobat? Or a web browser?

I am coming from an old windows XP machine where I used an old version of Adobe acrobat with good success on many PDF files. It let me navigate tables, access links, read continuously if I wanted to, page through the document, etc. i’m going to get a new Windows 10 machine, and I’m going to put NVDA on it and of course it will have narrator. I want to know which method work the best for reading PDF files. I understand they will open in edge if you want. And I assume the Adobe DC acrobat reader or whatever it’s called is also accessible. I gather the older readers are no longer supported. Anyway, I’m looking for something that will give me the best possible experience with the least possible hassle.
Mary


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Re: New NVDA user

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hi Brian. Thanks for the response.

I'm already finding some interesting disparity between my two
screen-readers. I use a torrent client and nVDA doesn't seem to work as well
with it as JAWS does, which also doesn't work as it used to with it on the
XP machine/an older version, but never mind. On the other hand I think I
really like using both Outlook 2010 and Firefox with NVDA more than I do
with jAWS. I'm glad to be able to switch back and forth.

I never used Windows 7 except at an old workplace, but I have to say that as
problematic as it can be, there are some things I like about Windows 10,
quite a bit in fact. The new file explorer is kind of great, and I've
enjoyed playing around a bit with powershell. And the compatibility mode
lets you run most old windows programmes that might normally give you
trouble, though the old Qbasic is a write off I guess, so no more Eamon
games for me. *grins*

And yeah, you never know when you're going to find an old XP machine. They
still use them for the kind of stuff I mentioned above. You can isolate it
from your regular network and just use it for testing/training purposes, or
whatever. In that case, a working version of NVDA would suddenly become very
important. I don't think Freedom Scientific makes JAWS 11 (or whatever)
available on their site anymore.

Cheers.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: November 1, 2017 11:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA user

Well, I have to say that I've never used Jaws, I had Supernova before, but
when I completely lost my sight, I did not really need all the magnification
stuff and as you say things start to get expensive when Windows is being
updated all the time. Up until recently I had two working machines one on 7,
this newish one, and an old updated to death one running 10. sadly that
latter one died and is beyond salvage having fried its motherboard with a
psu fault.
So I'm using 7 and will not update to 10, mainly due to what you say, all
those apps but they are all one offs and need to be made accessible, but I
will get a new windows 10 machine soon.
Nvda is great for several reasons. You can run betas and you can ask people
who know about this stuff to see if they can fix issues and they get fixed.
Also, when or if something des go awry, you can very easily roll back nvda
so you can carry on as before. this r4ecently happened for XP as you will
probably know the last version was the last to run on XP, and is being kept
available as there are as you proved old system still out there. Of course
no new software is being made for xp, so the current screenreader will be
all you really need on such machines.


I never felt I got this amount of involvement from Dolphin, despite being a
paying customer, that is not of course being too critical as they much have
a lot more people breathing down their necks over there.

I do however try to donate to NV Access every time a new version comes out.
sometimes its quite a lot, others not so much. I am now a pensioner, after
all!
Leans on old walking stick, well not quite yet!
So yes, nothing is perfect, as you say Espeak is a bit of a jack of all
trades and hence does have some problems, but its even quite easy to tweak
and create different voices in Espeak, Quincy is one I made for laptop use,
as its not as shrill as the other ones or indeed the default voice. It has
never been good at US accents, sounding like a cross between posh New
England and Canadian to me.
But in the UK here I find it acceptable.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 6:21 PM
Subject: [nvda] New NVDA user


Hello folks. I'm sure other people have posted testimonials of some sort
here before, but I fancy some enjoy reading such things, so here goes with
mine. Feel free to ignore this message as I'm not posting for help or
anything like that, though I will end with a question of sorts for the
list.



I've been a JAWS user since, roughly, 1999. I recently got a Windows 10
machine (upgraded from XP!) and was able to get new JAWS at a discounted
price from my former employer. I took advantage of the discount just
before
they laid me off! *grins*



Well, obviously perhaps, I've been spending a lot of time looking for
employment since then. I recently had an interview where they needed me to
do a test on a computer. They had not much idea about accommodations for
blind folks but seemed very willing to give it a go. With a faint glimmer
of
hope, I told them about JAWS: that it was the most professional
screen-reader around; that "yes, I know it's really expensive, but there
is
a demo you can run for forty minutes at a time!", etc, etc. 'There's also
this thing called NVDA," I muttered a little under my breath, "which is a
free one; if you can't get JAWS working, I suppose I could work with
that."
I showed up to the interview, foolishly hoping my ole' buddy the shark
would
save me. Nope! They couldn't even get the demo to run, for some reason
(the
test computer was an old one, I think, running XP). So, NVDA it was to be!



I'll back up a bit and say I've known about nVDA for quite some time. I
always thought it might come in handy and that I should get it on one of
my
machines and start using it, but never got around to it. The closest I
came
was using it on my ex-wife's laptop, mostly to play music. I still don't
like eSpeak, I'm afraid, and I used it on a Linux machine running Orca
before, too. Because that laptop wasn't mine I never really spent a lot of
time with it; didn't realise it would in fact be possible to change the
synthesiser to something more to my liking.



Well, there I was, sitting in this open office, sweating profusely and
feeling tense because I didn't really know what I was doing. I managed to
switch the voice to the XP narrator one, and that was reasonably ok. I
found
that everything worked like a charm! I only had to use three programmes at
that time: notepad, MS Word and a programme for audio
playback/transcription
that had (thankfully) native keystroke commands. A part of the test was
related to spelling and grammar, so I was able to configure NVDA, without
reference to the user guide or any prior experience, to speak the level of
punctuation I wanted and to indicate capital letters in a way that was
convenient. There was a time limit involved, so I really wasn't able to
play
around as much as I should have, yet I was very pleased that I was
basically
able to get everything up and working to my satisfaction.



Now I'm at home, running nVDA, and really liking it. I have no JAWS
upgrades
left, and that doesn't bother me as much as I thought it would, though I'm
not abandoning it altogether as I'm sure both screen-readers have their
strengths.



So, I read the user guide. Great. A lot of very familiar keystrokes. Some
small differences, but that's fine and even welcome. I stumbled across the
"switching from jAWS to nVDA" wiki page today and read through it; it
confirmed some of what I'd already noted. I have also been looking through
the add-ons on the official page and just installed the Windows 10
Essentials one. I don't like these modern universal apps much, but, you
know, may as well get used to them if they're the up-and-coming thing, and
maybe they'll actually work better with NVDA than they do with JAWS.



What do you all think, those of you who have expereince with both
screen-readers? Any thoughts that might not have been mentioned on the
wiki
over there? I'm not looking to start an argument, obviously, but I didn't
get a lot of feedback when I posted a similar message (without some of th
e
sarcasm) on the JAWS list, and I thought it might actually go over better
here.



Also, what add-ons do you all like to use?



Cheers, and glad to be a part of the NVDA community.



P.S.: I didn't get the job. That's ok. I still learned something.


Re: NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome

tina sohl <tinabir@...>
 

Someone was saying skype 8's a mess, what did they do with it?
Original message:

Yeah, a lot of things like the new skype has a lot of clickable repeated
buttons.
I do think we have this adjusted with sound.
Ie if something is text and is clickable a single sound or sound group
should be played, it then shouldn't matter how many times it says
clickable as long as it can be clicked.



On 2/11/2017 4:55 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Its a catch 22 though since we got these clickable items. You need to
have a noise really, but its easy to miss that.
Brian
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Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome

Hello Clare


Thank you. I shall give your suggestion a go since I too dislike hearing
line number announcements constantly.
It was the same as hearing 'Clickable' continually when browsing the
web.
Then I discovered through Document formatting how to disable this
option.
Phew


Take care and thank you once again.


Philip
!


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Clare
Page
Sent: 01 November 2017 11:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome


Hi!
I'm glad to hear that you like NVDA, Philip, but I'm sorry you have
several
problems with it.
I can't answer most of your questions, but I can say that, as far as
I know,
there are no special add-ons for Microsoft Office. I use Office 2007
myself,
specifically Word, Excel and Outlook: the latter crashes sometimes
for me,
but otherwise it works well, and the only view change I made in Outlook
after installing it was to have the newest emails at the bottom which I
prefer. I also found that disabling the reading of tables works
better for
me in emails, as the body of some emails comes up as tables and I
don't want
to hear row and column numbers all the time while reading the text:
that's
my choice, though, and you may feel differently about that.
I hope other people can answer your other questions!
Bye for now!
From Clare


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Philip
Anderson via Groups.Io
Sent: mercredi 1 novembre 2017 01:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome


Hi All




I am new to this group and wish to thank you for kindly accepting my
membership. I am very much looking forward to meeting you and hearing
your
NVDA experiences.


I am really enjoying using NVDA. It is a fabulous alternative to JAWS.
However, I have a few questions and wondered if you can help.


Please forgive me in advance if I have included two many questions in
one
email. I'm thinking most of them might simply be a case of settings;
he says
holding his breath... J


Please advise if you would rather I created a separate thread for each
question. Here goes...
Operating System: Windows 7 Home
MS Office 2007


Q1. Are there any NVDA add ons for MS Office 2007?


I have searched, but cannot seem to find any.


In addition, what's the best configuration settings for viewing MS
office
2007 Outlook messages in table view, only I am finding response time
terribly slow and crashes and programme closures frequent?
I have tried enabling 'tables' in 'settings' and selecting anything else
seemingly likely to resolve the problem, but without joy.


Furthermore, I am presently encountering problems sending and
replying to
messages. I am having to launch the 'new message or 'reply' options
twice
before I can write anything that NVDA will read back to me in all edit
fields from 'address, subject and body.'


* Attempt 1 merely keeps saying 'blank' whenever I type into the fields,
then freezes and I am forced to exit and try again.


* Works perfectly second time round.


NVDA, Google Chrome & Ebay


Q3. Similarly, I am experiencing one or two issues revising my Ebay
listings. While I am able to edit 'Product Title' and 'General Item
Specifics', there seems to be compatibility issues when it comes to
updating
'Price' & 'Quantities' in listings with multiple variations when
'drag and
drop' is required. What do you recommend?


Q4. In Paypal, while I can generally find work arounds for most things,
accessing the buttons in 'packing slips' is a problem.


A Packing slip is a consignment note businesses can print off and
include in
with their products they are sending out to their customers.
To access 'Packing Slips':
* first select 'Summary'
* arrow down to payments received
* select recipient and press enter
* search for 'print packing slip' and press enter.


Here you should see three buttons:


* Button 1 allows you to 'print the slip
* button 2, edit your personalised customer message
& * button 3, Done.


NVDA recognises and echos the associated text for these buttons, but
simply
refuses to display them as clickable options.


Finally...
Q5. What possibly could be the underlining reason why NVDA's general key
stroke options  keeps malfunctioning on my machine, leaving me with
delayed
speech recognition and no means of restarting the programme using the
standard shortcut option other than a 'hard system boot?'


Thank you in anticipation for your help in this regard.


Cordially


Philip









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Re: down pot player

Marten Post Uiterweer
 

Zahra,

I am using Pot player now for a few months and I like it.
The only thing I don't like is that when it starts a song, the volume is
automaticly highered. Feeded is the name I thought.
Volume in the beginning of a song goes from low to high.

Do you know how tu turn this off? I cannot find it.

Marten

On Wed, 1 Nov 2017 23:34:04 +0430 "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hello.
i always use it and its completely accessible.
God bless you!

On 11/1/17, Bobby Vinton <vinton.bobby5277@...> wrote:
Hay I was wondering if any one uses pot player and if so how good is it.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: This is what my version says

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Sakina,


Go to the Microsoft software download website

 

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10


you can download the upgrade assistant and update your system from there.

Tony

On 11/1/2017 1:10 PM, Sakina wrote:

Dear Gene and All,

Please can you kindly check for me if my window ten is up to date or do I need to do anything else  for I do not know where else to ask.

It says like this when I checked

Window ten

Microsoft Window version 1703

Os build 15063.674

C o 1017 Microsoft corporation all rights reserved.

 

Thank you  all very much and if I do need to do anything , than please any help, support and advise will be greately appreciated. For I do not want to loose out on any forth coming updates

Thanking you all once again

Sakina

 



Re: down pot player

 

hello.
i always use it and its completely accessible.
God bless you!

On 11/1/17, Bobby Vinton <vinton.bobby5277@...> wrote:
Hay I was wondering if any one uses pot player and if so how good is it.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: Using NVDA with Pontes Media Downloader

 

Hello guys, I haven't known up to now that Pontes Media Downloader is a known software out of Romania. Anyway, I'm glad to see that.
I can say that I also have this problem when using Pontes Media Downloader. When I'm focused on that combo box, its options aren't read by NVDA.
Regarding the download of playlists, I can confirm the crashes of the program.
As I remember, Bobby wondered if the software is still updating. Bobby, unfortunately it isn't. The latest version available on www.pontes.ro was released on October 28, 2014. There is a topic about this software on the Pontes Forum, but it's in Romanian, not in English. I'm thinking to write about this bug there.
Cheers,
Florian


Re: I have a couple questions regarding NVDA and braille, please.

Aman Singer
 

Hello Quentin and all,

 

                Thank you, Quentin, for the explanation of the context fill option, I did not understand it before but understand it perfectly now. Permit me to add something for the original poster, if I may, though, about braille input commands. Quentin writes:

 

Re input, we haven't setup any Windows or NVDA commands to use gestures from the Braille display out of the box, but you can go to Input Gestures and assign new gestures to any command.

 

                I'm not sure if this will work with the original poster's device, but the braille extender add-on

https://andreabc.net/projects/NVDA_addons/BrailleExtender/

                allows those displays with which it works to be set up as full, or very nearly full, keyboard replacements. The original poster may wish to look into this and see if it is helpful for his device.

HTH,

Aman

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I have a couple questions regarding NVDA and braille, please.

 

Hi Christopher,

 

Ok firstly re the "Focus Context Presentation" option.  There isn't a direct link to it in the User Guide, but if you go to "Braille settings" https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#BrailleSettings and scroll down, or just search for the phrase, it lists:

 

"Focus context presentation

 

This option allows you to choose what context information NVDA will show on the braille display when an object gets focus. Context information refers to the hierarchy of objects containing the focus. For example, when you focus a list item, this list item is part of a list. This list might be contained by a dialog, etc. Please consult the section about object navigation for more information about the hierarchy that applies to objects in NVDA.

 

When set to fill display for context changes, NVDA will try to display as much context information as possible on the braille display, but only for the parts of the context that have changed. For the example above, this means that when changing focus to the list, NVDA will show the list item on the braille display. Furthermore, if there is enough space left on the braille display, NVDA will try to show that the list item is part of a list. If you then start moving through the list with your arrow keys, it is assumed that you are aware that you are still in the list. Thus, for the remaining list items you focus, NVDA will only show the focused list item on the display. In order for you to read the context again (i.e. that you are in a list and that the list is part of a dialog), you will have to scroll your braille display back.

 

When this option is set to always fill the display, NVDA will try to show as much context information as possible on the braille display, regardless of whether you have seen the same context information before. This has the advantage that NVDA will fit as much information as possible on the display. However, the downside is that there is always a difference in the position where the focus starts on the braille display. This can make it difficult to skim a long list of items, for example, as you will need to continually move your finger to find the start of the item. This was the default behavior for NVDA 2017.2 and before.

 

When you set the focus context presentation option to only show the context information when scrolling back, NVDA never shows context information on your braille display by default. Thus, in the example above, NVDA will display that you focused a list item. However, in order for you to read the context (i.e. that you are in a list and that the list is part of a dialog), you will have to scroll your braille display back.

 

To toggle focus context presentation from anywhere, please assign a custom gesture using the Input Gestures dialog."

 

Re input, we haven't setup any Windows or NVDA commands to use gestures from the Braille display out of the box, but you can go to Input Gestures and assign new gestures to any command.  The section from the user guide (which is also relavent for the last line of the focus context presentation bit above if you are interested) is: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#InputGestures

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:33 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:

Good morning guys.

 

I have a couple of questions that I am hoping you all can help me with.

 

1. I am using a Packmate Omni 3.70 firmware BX 20 braille display via USB. I am not understanding one of the options under the braille settings dialog box, and hope someone can explain what it does.

 

There is an option, it's the very very last one in the screen. It says Focus context presentation.

 

Right now, it's on fill display for context.

 

Can one of you please explain to me what the different options are, and what they do in that context menu?

 

My other question is, I saw that there are two combo boxes for setting your braille table. One for input, and one for output.

 

I own an old Braille Sense Onhand from Hymns, with the most up to date 8.5 firmware.

 

Obviously, being this is a full notetaker, it has a full braille keyboard on it.

 

So, I'm curious where might I be able to find a list of the commands which I can use with an 8 dot enabled braille keyboard. This way, if I chose to use my braille keyboard instead of my regular computer keyboard, I could.

 

I think that would be just totally totally awesome!

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

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down pot player

Bobby Vinton <vinton.bobby5277@...>
 

Hay I was wondering if any one uses pot player and if so how good is it.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


NVDA and multimedia keys

Aman Singer
 

Hi all,

 

                I am very pleased to note that NVDA can use the multimedia keys, like volume up/down and previous/next track, as input gestures. This is most helpful for those of us using small remote controls to work with our systems, and is, so far as I can recall, unique among accessible applications. Obviously, lots of multimedia programs can do it, but the keys are, in that case, simply performing their usual functions.

                Anyhow, though it is possible to assign multimedia keys to gestures, this is a bit unreliable. Specifically, there are some commands which don't seem to work with the multimedia keys, the volume keys are particularly finicky. For example, I have tried to assign the down arrow to the volume down key. The assignment is fine, but the key doesn't seem to properly emulate the down arrow key when I press it. Rather, it reduces the volume. However, if I assign the emulated down arrow to the next track key, for example, the emulation works fine, pressing next track on the remote control is exactly the same as pressing the down arrow on the keyboard. Similarly, the volume up key can't be assigned to the up arrow, but it certainly can be assigned to the "load braille display" command in braille extender. There are just some commands where the volume keys can't be assigned and some where they can, and work fine. If I may ask, does anyone know why this is and whether it can be corrected? Is there a way to log commands so that I can see what is happening as I press the keys?

                The second issue, which is even odder, is that sometimes it is necessary to restart NVDA to get the multimedia keys to work. That is, I will sometimes press the homepage key, which I have set to say the time, and this will, rather than saying the time as usual, take me to the home page as if NVDA is not intercepting the key. When I restart NVDA, though, NVDA will start intercepting that key again and pressing the homepage key will give me the time as expected. Any ideas on how to fix this would be gratefully received.

                Finally, I don't seem to be able to use the multimedia keys in multi-key commands. For example, I would like to assign an input gesture as volume down+volume up or previous track+next track. This doesn't seem to be possible in the input gestures dialogue. Am I doing something wrong or is it in fact impossible?

                I am using Windows 10 home and Windows 7 Pro, but there is no difference in the results I get so far as I can see.

Thanks,

Aman


Re: New NVDA user

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hey. Makes sense to me. I haven't really played with Edge, because up until very recently it didn't work at all with JAWS. I'm still not all that fussed about it, but as it turns out, my browser of choice, Firefox, is going to start giving us problems soon, and I'm not sure, but I have a feeling that it'll end up working with NVDA again before I can even contemplate a JAWS upgrade. We shall see. When I'm not officially working, probably a good 85% of my computer usage is on the web, so robust and strong browser support is important to me.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of tina sohl
Sent: November 1, 2017 12:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA user

I also have known of NVVDA for a few years, but have or did, use the shark, jaws, as we affectionately call jaws, from 1997 til 2013. In
2009 at home, I changed to system access, which I used pretty much until a week ago at home, and due to several reasons decided a new screen reader might be good to play with. I've been using NVDA some with the other 2 on my ngow windows 10 laptop and like it, it works ok with edge, which I played with a couple nights ago. My husband just got the jaws 20 upgrade, but we won't be getting anymore ande will be using NVDA wich works as well, maybe better than the shark Original message:

Hello folks. I’m sure other people have posted testimonials of some
sort here before, but I fancy some enjoy reading such things, so here
goes with mine. Feel free to ignore this message as I’m not posting
for help or anything like that, though I will end with a question of
sorts for the list.
I’ve been a JAWS user since, roughly, 1999. I recently got a Windows
10 machine (upgraded from XP!) and was able to get new JAWS at a
discounted price from my former employer. I took advantage of the
discount just before they laid me off! *grins*
Well, obviously perhaps, I’ve been spending a lot of time looking for
employment since then. I recently had an interview where they needed
me to do a test on a computer. They had not much idea about
accommodations for blind folks but seemed very willing to give it a
go. With a faint glimmer of hope, I told them about JAWS: that it was
the most professional screen-reader around; that “yes, I know it’s
really expensive, but there is a demo you can run for forty minutes at
a time!”, etc, etc. ‘There’s also this thing called NVDA,” I muttered
a little under my breath, “which is a free one; if you can’t get JAWS
working, I suppose I could work with that.” I showed up to the
interview, foolishly hoping my ole’ buddy the shark would save me.
Nope! They couldn’t even get the demo to run, for some reason (the
test computer was an old one, I think, running XP). So, NVDA it was to be!
I’ll back up a bit and say I’ve known about nVDA for quite some time.
I always thought it might come in handy and that I should get it on
one of my machines and start using it, but never got around to it. The
closest I came was using it on my ex-wife’s laptop, mostly to play
music. I still don’t like eSpeak, I’m afraid, and I used it on a Linux
machine running Orca before, too. Because that laptop wasn’t mine I
never really spent a lot of time with it; didn’t realise it would in
fact be possible to change the synthesiser to something more to my liking.
Well, there I was, sitting in this open office, sweating profusely and
feeling tense because I didn’t really know what I was doing. I managed
to switch the voice to the XP narrator one, and that was reasonably ok.
I found that everything worked like a charm! I only had to use three
programmes at that time: notepad, MS Word and a programme for audio
playback/transcription that had (thankfully) native keystroke commands.
A part of the test was related to spelling and grammar, so I was able
to configure NVDA, without reference to the user guide or any prior
experience, to speak the level of punctuation I wanted and to indicate
capital letters in a way that was convenient. There was a time limit
involved, so I really wasn’t able to play around as much as I should
have, yet I was very pleased that I was basically able to get
everything up and working to my satisfaction.
Now I’m at home, running nVDA, and really liking it. I have no JAWS
upgrades left, and that doesn’t bother me as much as I thought it
would, though I’m not abandoning it altogether as I’m sure both
screen-readers have their strengths.
So, I read the user guide. Great. A lot of very familiar keystrokes.
Some small differences, but that’s fine and even welcome. I stumbled
across the “switching from jAWS to nVDA” wiki page today and read
through it; it confirmed some of what I’d already noted. I have also
been looking through the add-ons on the official page and just
installed the Windows 10 Essentials one. I don’t like these modern
universal apps much, but, you know, may as well get used to them if
they’re the up-and-coming thing, and maybe they’ll actually work
better with NVDA than they do with JAWS.
What do you all think, those of you who have expereince with both
screen-readers? Any thoughts that might not have been mentioned on the
wiki over there? I’m not looking to start an argument, obviously, but
I didn’t get a lot of feedback when I posted a similar message
(without some of th e sarcasm) on the JAWS list, and I thought it
might actually go over better here.
Also, what add-ons do you all like to use?
Cheers, and glad to be a part of the NVDA community.
P.S.: I didn’t get the job. That’s ok. I still learned something.


Re: Accessibility (Re: [nvda] Dropbox.)

 

Well dropbox does what I want it to, as long as I can use it to share links and update my backups of important files I havn't issue with it.

At least its better than g oogle drive.

Problem is we need to fight for our rights we can't just quit using cloud software entirely its the future for one thing.

Skype is another thing I am going to have to use just like dropbox as its something I use daily so I can't just walk away.

I do agree sadly that a lot of newer software just hasn't got that usability it once did.

On 2/11/2017 6:38 a.m., Damien Sykes-Lindley wrote:
Hi,
To be honest, I stopped using Dropbox ages ago for the very reasons you mention. I see no reason why it should launch three of the same executable, nor can I find what I need to, with client or website. I've given it up as a waste of space.
Not just Dropbox either. My trust in mainstream GUI-driven software is quickly diminishing thanks to other products which seem to be going backwards in accessibility. Avast, BTSync, Free Download Manager...The list is goes on. And the list is practically endless regarding software that could be accessible but never has been and never plans to be...Makes me mighty mad.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 5:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Dropbox.

Does anyone know if the recent new Dropbox versions have the problem that
you cannot access the preferences with or without the add on  and if you do
have this, has anyone reported it to tthem.They used to be quite up on
access but of late their web site has become messy and the desktop utility
has change version for nearly every week for months.
I also notice that in task manager I appear to have three copies of the
executable running all with different lengths, but with the same process
name.
Is this expected or should I take steps to reininstall it. I do rely on it
for my web site updating so I'm loathe to do this unless I have to and in
case logging in has become inaccessible as well.
Brian

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Re: This is what my version says

Chris
 

The easiest way is to go to settings > update and security > windows update

And manually check for updates and if its available then it should show in there

 

 

From: Sakina
Sent: 01 November 2017 17:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] This is what my version says

 

Please what do I have to do or get done to be  on on build 1709

For I have no idea and no other help. Your advise and guidance will help me or someone who will try to help.

Thank you always

Sakina

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 5:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] This is what my version says

 

                                                No, 1709 is the latest build

 

 

From: Sakina
Sent: 01 November 2017 17:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] This is what my version says

 

Dear Gene and All,

Please can you kindly check for me if my window ten is up to date or do I need to do anything else  for I do not know where else to ask.

It says like this when I checked

Window ten

Microsoft Window version 1703

Os build 15063.674

C o 1017 Microsoft corporation all rights reserved.

 

Thank you  all very much and if I do need to do anything , than please any help, support and advise will be greately appreciated. For I do not want to loose out on any forth coming updates

Thanking you all once again

Sakina

 

 

 


Looking for Hims Sync Braille users to test native driver

Leonard de Ruijter
 

Dear NVDA users,


I've been able to create a new Hims braille display driver on behalf of Babbage, the company where I'm employed. This driver is meant to replace the current Hims driver as well as the Sync Braille driver. As I don't have a Sync Braille to test, I'm looking for Sync Braille users who would be able to give some details about whether this new driver works correctly. Nevertheless, comments from other Hims braille display users are welcome of course.


There is a test build of NVDA to try for this at https://ci.appveyor.com/api/buildjobs/5dcmf2ctol5e417r/artifacts/output%2Fnvda_snapshot_try-hims-native-14573%2C8dd4b89a.exe

As the new driver adds port selection capabilities, it is strongly recommended to use this try version as a portable version, otherwise you might not be able to get your hims device working again after a restore to a release, master or next version of NVDA.


The corresponding ticket for the new Hims driver lives at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7459 and the pull request is at https://github.comnvaccess/nvda/pull/7712.


Kind regards and thanks for testing,

Leonard de Ruijter