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Re: Bluetooth speakers on a PC with NVDA?
Kevin Chao
I was under the false-impression that Bluetooth 5 would reduce latency, but more detailed research prooved very little audio improvements in this new version of Bluetooth.
On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 7:07 PM David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:
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Re: Bluetooth speakers on a PC with NVDA?
David Griffith
I don’t use Bluetooth speakers because of possible latency. Having said that I understand from a Podcast from Jonathan Mosen that the new Bluetooth 5 standard, if I remember correctly, might improve the situation. So checking the Bluetooth standard of the speakers and your machine might reveal if this is the Bluetooth standard. If not I would personally avoid them and stick to a wired solution. Some speakers pair with each other wirelessly but accept a wired input from a sound source into one of the speakers which may be a solution. I have some speakers which can do this but have never used them on a PC.
David Griffith My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
From: Mary Otten
Sent: 04 November 2017 00:02 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Bluetooth speakers on a PC with NVDA?
Hi all, I am considering a set up with clips ProMedia to Bluetooth speakers for my new PC. I have had less than stellar experiences with phones and Bluetooth speakers or headsets. There is latency, and with my Apple TV and sound bar, it was unusable, because the voice consistently miss the first few syllables due to the delay in the speaker kicking in. This would be totally unusable on a PC of course with the screen reader and software speech. My old PC has a hardware card for speech, and the Mac has USB speakers. So I have no experience with a PC or Mac for that matter, with Bluetooth speakers and software speech. I really like these speakers, but not if they’re going to present issues with the software speech for the screen meter. Comments? Mary
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Re: Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security setting
Gene
I suspect it is off by default. If not, we
should have seen lots of people reporting problems since Windows 10 started to
be distributed.
Gene
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From: Tyler Spivey
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of
security setting On 11/3/2017 3:40 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > Recently, I saw a message that talked about the need to disable some sort of security settings in windows 10 when you were installing NVDA. It was a folder I think that you couldn’t get access to and less you disable the setting, and NVDA needs to have that access when it installs. I’ve just spent some time looking through old messages trying to find this and I can’t. Can anybody help me out? I’m sorry to be so vague, but I just can’t find this message. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > >
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Re: Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security setting
Tyler Spivey
Controlled Folder Access. I think it's off by default.
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On 11/3/2017 3:40 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Recently, I saw a message that talked about the need to disable some sort of security settings in windows 10 when you were installing NVDA. It was a folder I think that you couldn’t get access to and less you disable the setting, and NVDA needs to have that access when it installs. I’ve just spent some time looking through old messages trying to find this and I can’t. Can anybody help me out? I’m sorry to be so vague, but I just can’t find this message.
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Re: Bluetooth speakers on a PC with NVDA?
Mary Otten <motten53@...>
Thanks. Maybe there is an alternate connection path, not just Bluetooth. I will have to look into that more.
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Mary Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 3, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io <rmkuzma@...> wrote:
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Re: Bluetooth speakers on a PC with NVDA?
Richard Kuzma
I know buddy of mine that bought them for his son for Christmas last year and they are awesomely sounding,
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However I do believe he connected them to his pc hard wired with a audio cable and they worked perfectly. Not sure about Bluetooth. Hope this helps
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 8:03 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Bluetooth speakers on a PC with NVDA? Hi all, I am considering a set up with clips ProMedia to Bluetooth speakers for my new PC. I have had less than stellar experiences with phones and Bluetooth speakers or headsets. There is latency, and with my Apple TV and sound bar, it was unusable, because the voice consistently miss the first few syllables due to the delay in the speaker kicking in. This would be totally unusable on a PC of course with the screen reader and software speech. My old PC has a hardware card for speech, and the Mac has USB speakers. So I have no experience with a PC or Mac for that matter, with Bluetooth speakers and software speech. I really like these speakers, but not if they’re going to present issues with the software speech for the screen meter. Comments? Mary Sent from my iPhone
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Bluetooth speakers on a PC with NVDA?
Mary Otten <motten53@...>
Hi all,
I am considering a set up with clips ProMedia to Bluetooth speakers for my new PC. I have had less than stellar experiences with phones and Bluetooth speakers or headsets. There is latency, and with my Apple TV and sound bar, it was unusable, because the voice consistently miss the first few syllables due to the delay in the speaker kicking in. This would be totally unusable on a PC of course with the screen reader and software speech. My old PC has a hardware card for speech, and the Mac has USB speakers. So I have no experience with a PC or Mac for that matter, with Bluetooth speakers and software speech. I really like these speakers, but not if they’re going to present issues with the software speech for the screen meter. Comments? Mary Sent from my iPhone
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NVDA says "blank" every time CTRL is pressed in VipMud 2
Joshua Tubbs
Hi all,
The subject says it all. I'm curious if it's an NVDA problem, or whether it's a bug with VipMud 2? Thanks.
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Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security setting
Mary Otten <motten53@...>
Recently, I saw a message that talked about the need to disable some sort of security settings in windows 10 when you were installing NVDA. It was a folder I think that you couldn’t get access to and less you disable the setting, and NVDA needs to have that access when it installs. I’ve just spent some time looking through old messages trying to find this and I can’t. Can anybody help me out? I’m sorry to be so vague, but I just can’t find this message.
Mary Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Avg anti-virus and nvda
Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Mary,
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I used to use AVG years ago and didn't like it because it interfered with speech. I use windows defender now and it works great for me. Rosemarie
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 2:40 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Avg anti-virus and nvda Hi all, I had a consultation with a local custom PC builder. We were talking about the various software that I would like to use, and I mentioned windows defender as the virus program. He said they generally recommend and install AVG. A long long time ago, I use that program, and missed a virus. And subsequently I heard it had become inaccessible. What is the status of this program with respect to Accessibility with NVDA? Have any of you have experience is good or bad with it? Mary Sent from my iPhone
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Re: NVDA not speaking message details in Outlook 2016
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Ian,
I had not heard of this feature so thanks for bringing it out into the light!
What you describe seems to be that the messages are not all physically present in the folder until you set the option to download all the older messages.
In the situation that I am describing, the messages are all physically present and even where the arrow keys are met with silence, you can “read” the message that is under the cursor by pressing tab once and the shift tab back again. On returning to the message NVDA speaks that specific message fully. However, the arrow keys will still remain silent. I should also point out that your experience shows that the older messages are not spoken. My problem is that the last 200 messages are fully spoken no matter whether they are old or new. The first messages from the beginning to the start of the block of the last 200 messages is silent.
All the best,
Cearbhall
m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ian Robinson
Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 5:43 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not speaking message details in Outlook 2016
Hi,
I had the same issue of NVDA not reading the info for older messages when I first setup Outlook 2016. It happened more in some folders than others, with the Sent items folder being one of the worst. The status bar clearly showed all the expected messages existed, but beyond a certain point, NVDA just wouldn’t read anything.
Eventually, I realised that there is a setting in Outlook that limits how many emails are synchronised when using MAPI or Exchange accounts. I set the account to synchronise all messages and gave Outlook time to download the older messages. Since then, NVDA reads everything as expected.
Not sure if it will help, but worth a try.
To make sure all messages are synchronised locally,:
Apologies if the above doesn’t help, but it worked for me. <smile>
Best wishes.
Ian
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Hello all,
I am running Outlook 2016 (latest update) under Windows 10 (latest update) with NVDA 2017.3
Before I raise an issue in GitHub, I would like to know if anyone else has experienced this problem.
I have 464 messages in my Sent Items folder. When I open the folder I should hear the selected fields that describe each message as I press up-arrow and down-arrow. In fact, I hear the first message details when I first open the folder list. When I press down-arrow I hear nothing! The arrow has in fact moved to the next message in the list but NVDA does not speak. I press down-arrow again, the cursor has moved to the next message but NVDA says nothing. I keep this up for the first 265 messages. At message 266, NVDA bursts into life and speaks all the fields! If I press up-arrow once NVDA speaks the previous message but is silent again from there to the first message.
I experimented with the list and concluded that NVDA will only speak the details of the last 200 messages in the list. To do this, I shortened the list a few times and this pattern continued. NVDA only started reacting to the arrow keys for the final 200 messages in the list. When I took away the last 265 messages from the list, NVDA spoke the full list of messages as there were now only 200 messages in the list. When I brought back the original messages and built the list back up to its original 464 items, NVDA was silent again from the first message until I reached the 266th message.
I have been experiencing this problem randomly in Outlook 2016 for over a year now. It does not happen with JAWS 2016 or with Narrator so I am happy that it is not a video problem and that it is really an exclusive NVDA problem.
I will report an issue to the NVDA team. However, they cannot take it on as a development task if I am the only user who experiences it. For that reason, I would ask anyone who has seen the same problem could reply to the list and I will then be able to make a firmer case for the issue.
All the best,
Cearbhall
m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
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Avg anti-virus and nvda
Mary Otten <motten53@...>
Hi all,
I had a consultation with a local custom PC builder. We were talking about the various software that I would like to use, and I mentioned windows defender as the virus program. He said they generally recommend and install AVG. A long long time ago, I use that program, and missed a virus. And subsequently I heard it had become inaccessible. What is the status of this program with respect to Accessibility with NVDA? Have any of you have experience is good or bad with it? Mary Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Firefox 57 etc
ntarasov29@...
Hello. I don't think it's worth installing Mozila 57 until she's fully available to NVDA. Отправлено из Почты для Windows 10
От: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Yes I saw a message on the issues list from James, about some fixing for version 58, so maybe it will get resolved from the currently unusable state. Its new users of any screenreader I feel sorry for, especially where its a shared machine and the sighted member just lets firefox update. There are a couple of other issues. It disabled both my add ons, navigational sounds and Ublock Origin ad blocker and even when I put the version 52 back on I had to re download both add ons and install them again. Not only that but nvda after the update could not read the screen of the add ons manager, I had to exit firefox completely and go back in again to see if they had installed correctly, I'm sure this was not the case prior to up and down dating the version I had, which was 55. How also does one set 52 to get security updates without letting it update to 57 as I see it wants to do till I set updates to no, ie not recommended. Brian
bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Mendoza" <lowvisiontek@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc
> Hi, Brian > > > I have the same issue on the other machine, and that is the reason why I > keep to shift instead to use the Firefox ESR version 52 but for now I will > stick to this version because there is likely more stable in performance > and never has a problem. And, once the issue has fix maybe I could go for > to use and test it again. > > > Robert Mendoza > > On 11/3/2017 6:00 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: >> With regard to this version of Firefox, and in addition to what Joseph >> posted about it. Here is what me acting as the average unaware updater >> found. >> After installation only the menus work, no content on the page is >> readable, you cannot go into any browse or focus mode. You just here >> unknown. >> Now there may well be some kind of setting that can be altered, I do not >> know, to achieve what he got, slow but functioning. I could not find any >> option for this. Not only that but it seemed to lose almost half of my >> bookmarks as well. >> >> So unless they fix this on the release version anyone trying to use >> Firefox 57 when it comes out with the latest version of nvda, and I am up >> to date with the master branch here, will not be able to do so unless >> they know how to make it work. >> If these people are employees then they will probably need the permission >> of an admin to reinstall a version like 55, and turn off auto updates. I >> have reinstalled 52 in actual fact and got my bookmarks back as well as >> functionality. To my mind the makers of Firefox at the current state of >> play should be able to see if screenreading software is on a machine in a >> similar way to Adobe reader or Jarte does, and prevent it from updating >> to an unworkable version. >> I cannot understand why they have not done this. >> >> Anyone care to comment? >> Brian >> >> bglists@... >> Sent via blueyonder. >> Please address personal email to:- >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >> in the display name field. >> >> > > > >
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Re: lock NVDA + f2
Gene
That isn't what I described. What I said is
that if you manually turn forms mode on, it will stay on. You are
discussing behavior in browse mode. If you turn browse mode on, then the
behavior you describe will occur unless you set NVDA not to change to forms mode
automatically. It doesn't matter if you turn browse mode on manually or if
it is on because it is on when you start browsing, the behavior doesn't
change. Controling this behavior is available in the Browse Mode
settings. I believe the check box you uncheck is
Automatic focus mode for focus changes. There is another check box,
Automatic focus mode for caret movement, which I also have unchecked. I
don't remember what it does but others will probably explain it.
Gene
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It happens with every single web site I encounter that requires input in
multiple fields. I can set NVDA to browse mode (that's the default right?)
then every time I encounter an edit field, NVDA automatically switches to edit
mode regardless of whether I've previously told it to be in browse mode or
not. It happens 100 percent of the time on each and every web site I
encounter edit fields on, so it is definitely not a once in a while thing.
Find yourself any web site that requires logins, or perhaps one with a signup
form, and the behavior is always exactly the same, whether I've set it
specifically to browse mode or not. On 11/3/2017 12:43 AM, Quentin Christensen
wrote:
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Re: goldwave
Arlene
Great stuff. I’m glad it works for ten. That’s why I asked. Thanks a lot.Going to get the addon for it.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: November-03-17 11:17 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] goldwave
Sure does! I've been using Win 10 for a couple years and Goldwave is right here for me. The add on makes it work all the better so I'd recommend installing that as well.
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Re: Firefox 57 etc
David Griffith
I thought the whole point of the ESR version was that it would not update to 57 until about June next year, when hopefully the accessibility issues will have improved. According to the FS Blog on this they say that people using ESR will however continue to get the latest security updates installed into Firefox ESR but will not be vulnerable to the main upgrade to 57 until next year. David Griffith .
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 03 November 2017 18:17 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc
Yes I saw a message on the issues list from James, about some fixing for version 58, so maybe it will get resolved from the currently unusable state. Its new users of any screenreader I feel sorry for, especially where its a shared machine and the sighted member just lets firefox update. There are a couple of other issues. It disabled both my add ons, navigational sounds and Ublock Origin ad blocker and even when I put the version 52 back on I had to re download both add ons and install them again. Not only that but nvda after the update could not read the screen of the add ons manager, I had to exit firefox completely and go back in again to see if they had installed correctly, I'm sure this was not the case prior to up and down dating the version I had, which was 55. How also does one set 52 to get security updates without letting it update to 57 as I see it wants to do till I set updates to no, ie not recommended. Brian
bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Mendoza" <lowvisiontek@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc
> Hi, Brian > > > I have the same issue on the other machine, and that is the reason why I > keep to shift instead to use the Firefox ESR version 52 but for now I will > stick to this version because there is likely more stable in performance > and never has a problem. And, once the issue has fix maybe I could go for > to use and test it again. > > > Robert Mendoza > > On 11/3/2017 6:00 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: >> With regard to this version of Firefox, and in addition to what Joseph >> posted about it. Here is what me acting as the average unaware updater >> found. >> After installation only the menus work, no content on the page is >> readable, you cannot go into any browse or focus mode. You just here >> unknown. >> Now there may well be some kind of setting that can be altered, I do not >> know, to achieve what he got, slow but functioning. I could not find any >> option for this. Not only that but it seemed to lose almost half of my >> bookmarks as well. >> >> So unless they fix this on the release version anyone trying to use >> Firefox 57 when it comes out with the latest version of nvda, and I am up >> to date with the master branch here, will not be able to do so unless >> they know how to make it work. >> If these people are employees then they will probably need the permission >> of an admin to reinstall a version like 55, and turn off auto updates. I >> have reinstalled 52 in actual fact and got my bookmarks back as well as >> functionality. To my mind the makers of Firefox at the current state of >> play should be able to see if screenreading software is on a machine in a >> similar way to Adobe reader or Jarte does, and prevent it from updating >> to an unworkable version. >> I cannot understand why they have not done this. >> >> Anyone care to comment? >> Brian >> >> bglists@... >> Sent via blueyonder. >> Please address personal email to:- >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >> in the display name field. >> >> > > > >
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Re: Firefox 57 etc
Brian's Mail list account
Yes I saw a message on the issues list from James, about some fixing for version 58, so maybe it will get resolved from the currently unusable state. Its new users of any screenreader I feel sorry for, especially where its a shared machine and the sighted member just lets firefox update.
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There are a couple of other issues. It disabled both my add ons, navigational sounds and Ublock Origin ad blocker and even when I put the version 52 back on I had to re download both add ons and install them again. Not only that but nvda after the update could not read the screen of the add ons manager, I had to exit firefox completely and go back in again to see if they had installed correctly, I'm sure this was not the case prior to up and down dating the version I had, which was 55. How also does one set 52 to get security updates without letting it update to 57 as I see it wants to do till I set updates to no, ie not recommended. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Robert Mendoza" <lowvisiontek@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc Hi, Brian
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Re: goldwave
Roger Stewart
Sure does! I've been using Win 10 for
a couple years and Goldwave is right here for me. The add on
makes it work all the better so I'd recommend installing that as
well. Roger
On 11/3/2017 1:13 PM, Arlene wrote:
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goldwave
Arlene
Hi list. Does Goldwave work with windows ten? If it does. That would be great.
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Re: lock NVDA + f2
Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
It happens with every single web site I encounter that requires
input in multiple fields. I can set NVDA to browse mode (that's
the default right?) then every time I encounter an edit field,
NVDA automatically switches to edit mode regardless of whether
I've previously told it to be in browse mode or not. It happens
100 percent of the time on each and every web site I encounter
edit fields on, so it is definitely not a once in a while thing.
Find yourself any web site that requires logins, or perhaps one
with a signup form, and the behavior is always exactly the same,
whether I've set it specifically to browse mode or not.
On 11/3/2017 12:43 AM, Quentin
Christensen wrote:
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