Recently, I saw a message that talked about the need to disable some sort of security settings in windows 10 when you were installing NVDA. It was a folder I think that you couldn’t get access to and less you disable the setting, and NVDA needs to have that access when it installs. I’ve just spent some time looking through old messages trying to find this and I can’t. Can anybody help me out? I’m sorry to be so vague, but I just can’t find this message.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 3, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io <rmkuzma@...> wrote:

I know buddy of mine that bought them for his son for Christmas last year and they are awesomely sounding,
However I do believe he connected them to his pc hard wired with a audio cable and they worked perfectly.
Not sure about Bluetooth.
Hope this helps


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 8:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Bluetooth speakers on a PC with NVDA?

Hi all,
I am considering a set up with clips ProMedia to Bluetooth speakers for my new PC. I have had less than stellar experiences with phones and Bluetooth speakers or headsets. There is latency, and with my Apple TV and sound bar, it was unusable, because the voice consistently miss the first few syllables due to the delay in the speaker kicking in. This would be totally unusable on a PC of course with the screen reader and software speech. My old PC has a hardware card for speech, and the Mac has USB speakers. So I have no experience with a PC or Mac for that matter, with Bluetooth speakers and software speech. I really like these speakers, but not if they’re going to present issues with the software speech for the screen meter. Comments?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

Hi,

I had the same issue of NVDA not reading the info for older messages when I first setup Outlook 2016.  It happened more in some folders than others, with the Sent items folder being one of the worst.  The status bar clearly showed all the expected messages existed, but beyond a certain point, NVDA just wouldn’t read anything.

Eventually, I realised that there is a setting in Outlook that limits how many emails are synchronised when using MAPI or Exchange accounts.  I set the account to synchronise all messages and gave Outlook time to download the older messages.  Since then, NVDA reads everything as expected.

Not sure if it will help, but worth a try.

To make sure all messages are synchronised locally,:

1. Go to the File menu and choose Info.
2. Tab to Account Settings and press Space.
3. From the menu, choose Account Settings.
4. Tab to the “Change” button and press space.
5. Press tab until you hear “Mail to keep off line”.
6. Alter the slider to 100% and press the Ok button.  You will probably get a message about restarting Outlook.

Apologies if the above doesn’t help, but it worked for me.  <smile>

Best wishes.

Ian

Hello all,

I am running Outlook 2016 (latest update) under Windows 10 (latest update) with NVDA 2017.3

Before I raise an issue in GitHub, I would like to know if anyone else has experienced this problem.

I have 464 messages in my Sent Items folder. When I open the folder I should hear the selected fields that describe each message  as I press up-arrow and down-arrow. In fact, I hear the first message details when I first open the folder list. When I press down-arrow I hear nothing! The arrow has in fact moved to the next message in the list but NVDA does not speak. I press down-arrow again, the   cursor has moved to the next message but NVDA says nothing. I keep this up for the first 265 messages. At message 266, NVDA bursts into life and speaks all the fields! If I press up-arrow once NVDA speaks the previous message but is silent again from there to the first message.

I experimented with the list and concluded that NVDA will only speak the details of the last 200 messages in the list. To do this, I shortened the list a few times and this pattern continued. NVDA only started reacting to the arrow   keys for the final 200 messages in the list.  When I took away the last 265 messages from the  list, NVDA spoke the full list of messages as there were now only 200 messages in the list. When I brought back the original messages and built the list back up to its original 464 items, NVDA was silent again from the first message until I reached the 266^th message.

I have been experiencing this problem randomly in Outlook 2016 for over a year now. It does not happen with JAWS 2016 or with Narrator so I am happy that it is not a video problem and that it is really an exclusive NVDA problem.

I will report an issue to the NVDA team. However, they cannot take it on as a development task if I am the only user who experiences it. For that reason, I would ask anyone who has seen the same problem could reply to the list and I will then be able to make a firmer case for the issue.

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

----- Original Message -----

From: "Robert Mendoza" <lowvisiontek@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 10:31 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc

> Hi, Brian

> 

> 

> I have the same issue on the other machine, and that is the reason why I

> keep to shift instead to use the Firefox ESR version 52 but for now I will

> stick to this version because there is likely more stable in performance

> and never has a problem. And, once the issue has fix maybe I could go for

> to use and test it again.

> 

> 

> Robert Mendoza

> 

> On 11/3/2017 6:00 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

>> With regard to this version of Firefox, and in addition to what Joseph

>> posted about it. Here is what me acting as the average unaware updater

>> found.

>> After installation only the menus work, no content on the page is

>> readable, you cannot go into any browse or focus mode. You just here

>> unknown.

>> Now there may well be some kind of setting that can be altered, I do not

>> know, to achieve what he got, slow but functioning. I could not find any

>> option for this. Not only that but it seemed to lose almost half of my

>> bookmarks as well.

>> 

>> So unless they fix this on the release version anyone trying to use

>> Firefox 57 when it comes out with the latest version of nvda, and I am up

>> to date with the master branch here, will not be able to do so unless

>> they know how to make it work.

>> If these people are employees then they will probably need the permission

>> of an admin to reinstall a version like 55, and turn off auto updates. I

>> have reinstalled 52 in actual fact and got my bookmarks back as well as

>> functionality. To my mind the makers of Firefox at the current state of

>> play should be able to see if screenreading software is on a machine in a

>> similar way to Adobe reader or Jarte does, and prevent it from updating

>> to an unworkable version.

>> I cannot understand why they have not done this.

>> 

>> Anyone care to comment?

>> Brian

>> 

>> bglists@...

>> Sent via blueyonder.

>> Please address personal email to:-

>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

>> in the display name field.

>> 

>> 

> 

> 

>

>

It happens with every single web site I encounter that requires input in multiple fields.  I can set NVDA to browse mode (that's the default right?) then every time I encounter an edit field, NVDA automatically switches to edit mode regardless of whether I've previously told it to be in browse mode or not.  It happens 100 percent of the time on each and every web site I encounter edit fields on, so it is definitely not a once in a while thing.  Find yourself any web site that requires logins, or perhaps one with a signup form, and the behavior is always exactly the same, whether I've set it specifically to browse mode or not.

Hi,

Re the inconsistent behaviour in Chrome, can you give some steps to reproduce please?

Eg:

1. Go to www.somesite.com

2. Press ...

3. Press ...

Re the issue of playing certain browser based games, are they self voicing?  IE: Does NVDA speak useful information while using them?  If you don't have to have NVDA, then you could put NVDA in sleep mode with NVDA+shift+s.  Note that will put NVDA to sleep while the current application is active.  EG if you are using Chrome, them NVDA will wake up when you go to another application (or the alt+tab window), but as long as you are in a Chrome window, NVDA will be "asleep".

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...> wrote:

This is the way browse mode is supposed to work, but this is not the current behavior of NVDA in chrome.  I get browse mode turning on regardless of whether I've specifically turned it off or not.  This didn't happen with earlier versions of NVDA, so it's something fairly new, though I'm not sure which version started doing this, but it definitely didn't do it in 2016.4, but it does with 2017.3.  I don't know which in between version broke it, because I upgraded directly, since I wanted the kindle functionality, and had no reason to upgrade before then.

On 11/2/2017 2:07 PM, Gene wrote:

Browse mode is supposed to stay off regardless of what happens until you turn it on again.  If you close the browser and reopen it, browse mode will be on but when you manually turn it off, it stays off for the session until you turn it on.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: John Isige

Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 12:29 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] lock NVDA + f2

Would it be the same though? I'm guessing what's being talked about here
is that NVDA will turn browse mode back on if the game changes. So you
turn it off and it's fine, but something changes, and it turns back on,
and you have to stop and turn it back off again. With a pass key lock it
could just hold until you toggled it off. Browse mode was my first
thought too, and I don't play enough web games to know what's going on,
if anybody wants to provide examples of some that cause a problem I'll
happily check them out. But that would be my guess, that browse mode is
getting toggled automatically in response to a change from the site.


On 11/2/2017 10:20, Gene wrote:
> If you are saying that turning browse mode off isn't consistent in how
> well it works, using the key pass through command will be no more
> consistent.  All that command is doing in that context is bypassing
> the screen-reader.  Turning off browse mode on a web page does exactly
> the same thing except you don't have to keep using an extra command. 
> When browse mode is off, keys you press work directly with the web
> page.  When browse mode is on, they don't.  That's why browse mode is
> off when working in an edit field in a form, for example.  You are
> working directly with the field.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Adriani Botez <mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 02, 2017 9:52 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] lock NVDA + f2
>
> It does not work very reliable in browser games, especially when
> dealing with types of browser games in java and php. It is also not
> very consistent in flash player, for example there are still lots of
> webinars which can be accessed in flashplayer by some keystrokes.
>
> *I have noticed this in different browsers. May the grafics driver
> have any impact on this? I have only tested it with my dell notebook
> on a nvidia gtx graphic card.*
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *Best*
>
> *Adriani*
>
> **
>
> *Von:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *Im Auftrag von
> *Gene
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 2. November 2017 15:35
> *An:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> *Betreff:* Re: [nvda] lock NVDA + f2
>
> Turn off browse mode.  Do you know the comand t6o toggle it off and
> on?  NVDA key space. Also, I don't recall if NVDA has a command to
> pass keys to the application when browsing.  But even in the youtube
> example, it is often much more convenient to turn off browse mode than
> use the key pass through command.
>
> Gene
>
> *From:*adriani.botez via Groups.Io
> <mailto:adriani.botez=googlemail.com@groups.io>
>
> *Sent:*Thursday, November 02, 2017 9:15 AM
>
> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
> *Subject:*[nvda] lock NVDA + f2
>
> Dear Community,
>
> Is it possible to create an addon which locks the keystroke NVDA + f2
> so that every key which will be pressed will be sent through to the
> application? It would make sense for example in browser games or in
> some browser videoplayers. It should just offer the possibility to
> disable and enable this licking feature whenever needed.
>
> Best
> Adriani
>
>
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Hi list. Does Goldwave work with windows ten? If it does. That would be great.

Yes I saw a message on the issues list from James, about some fixing for

version 58, so maybe it will get resolved from the currently unusable state.

Its new users of any screenreader I feel sorry for, especially where its a

shared machine and the sighted member just lets firefox update.

There are a couple of other issues. It disabled both my add ons,

navigational sounds and Ublock Origin ad blocker and even when I put the

version 52 back on I had to re download both add ons and install them again.

Not only that but nvda after the update could not read the screen of the add

ons manager, I had to exit  firefox completely and go back in again to see

if they had installed correctly, I'm sure this was not the case prior to up

and down dating the version I had, which was 55. How also does one set 52 to

get security updates without letting it update to 57 as I see it wants to do

till I set updates to no, ie not recommended.

Brian

bglists@...

Sent via blueyonder.

Please address personal email to:-

briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Robert Mendoza" <lowvisiontek@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 10:31 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc

> Hi, Brian

> 

> 

> I have the same issue on the other machine, and that is the reason why I

> keep to shift instead to use the Firefox ESR version 52 but for now I will

> stick to this version because there is likely more stable in performance

> and never has a problem. And, once the issue has fix maybe I could go for

> to use and test it again.

> 

> 

> Robert Mendoza

> 

> On 11/3/2017 6:00 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

>> With regard to this version of Firefox, and in addition to what Joseph

>> posted about it. Here is what me acting as the average unaware updater

>> found.

>> After installation only the menus work, no content on the page is

>> readable, you cannot go into any browse or focus mode. You just here

>> unknown.

>> Now there may well be some kind of setting that can be altered, I do not

>> know, to achieve what he got, slow but functioning. I could not find any

>> option for this. Not only that but it seemed to lose almost half of my

>> bookmarks as well.

>> 

>> So unless they fix this on the release version anyone trying to use

>> Firefox 57 when it comes out with the latest version of nvda, and I am up

>> to date with the master branch here, will not be able to do so unless

>> they know how to make it work.

>> If these people are employees then they will probably need the permission

>> of an admin to reinstall a version like 55, and turn off auto updates. I

>> have reinstalled 52 in actual fact and got my bookmarks back as well as

>> functionality. To my mind the makers of Firefox at the current state of

>> play should be able to see if screenreading software is on a machine in a

>> similar way to Adobe reader or Jarte does, and prevent it from updating

>> to an unworkable version.

>> I cannot understand why they have not done this.

>> 

>> Anyone care to comment?

>> Brian

>> 

>> bglists@...

>> Sent via blueyonder.

>> Please address personal email to:-

>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

>> in the display name field.

>> 

>> 

> 

> 

>

>

Hi, Brian


I have the same issue on the other machine, and that is the reason why I keep to shift instead to use the Firefox ESR version 52 but for now I will stick to this version because there is likely more stable in performance and never has a problem. And, once the issue has fix maybe I could go for to use and test it again.


Robert Mendoza

On 11/3/2017 6:00 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

With regard to this version of Firefox, and in addition to what Joseph posted about it. Here is what me acting as the average unaware updater found.
After installation only the menus work, no content on the page is readable, you cannot go into any browse or focus mode. You just here unknown.
Now there may well be some kind of setting that can be altered, I do not know, to achieve what he got, slow but functioning. I could not find any option for this. Not only that but it seemed to lose almost half of my bookmarks as well.

So unless they fix this on the release version anyone trying to use Firefox 57 when it comes out with the latest version of nvda, and I am up to date with the master branch here, will not be able to do so unless they know how to make it work.
If these people are employees then they will probably need the permission of an admin to reinstall a version like 55, and turn off auto updates. I have reinstalled 52 in actual fact and got my bookmarks back as well as functionality. To my mind the makers of Firefox at the current state of play should be able to see if screenreading software is on a machine in a similar way to Adobe reader or Jarte does, and prevent it from updating to an unworkable version.
I cannot understand why they have not done this.

Anyone care to comment?
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

Hi list. Does Goldwave work with windows ten? If it does. That would be great.

Hi,

Re the inconsistent behaviour in Chrome, can you give some steps to reproduce please?

Eg:

1. Go to www.somesite.com

2. Press ...

3. Press ...

Re the issue of playing certain browser based games, are they self voicing?  IE: Does NVDA speak useful information while using them?  If you don't have to have NVDA, then you could put NVDA in sleep mode with NVDA+shift+s.  Note that will put NVDA to sleep while the current application is active.  EG if you are using Chrome, them NVDA will wake up when you go to another application (or the alt+tab window), but as long as you are in a Chrome window, NVDA will be "asleep".

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...> wrote:

This is the way browse mode is supposed to work, but this is not the current behavior of NVDA in chrome.  I get browse mode turning on regardless of whether I've specifically turned it off or not.  This didn't happen with earlier versions of NVDA, so it's something fairly new, though I'm not sure which version started doing this, but it definitely didn't do it in 2016.4, but it does with 2017.3.  I don't know which in between version broke it, because I upgraded directly, since I wanted the kindle functionality, and had no reason to upgrade before then.

On 11/2/2017 2:07 PM, Gene wrote:

Browse mode is supposed to stay off regardless of what happens until you turn it on again.  If you close the browser and reopen it, browse mode will be on but when you manually turn it off, it stays off for the session until you turn it on.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: John Isige

Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 12:29 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] lock NVDA + f2

Would it be the same though? I'm guessing what's being talked about here
is that NVDA will turn browse mode back on if the game changes. So you
turn it off and it's fine, but something changes, and it turns back on,
and you have to stop and turn it back off again. With a pass key lock it
could just hold until you toggled it off. Browse mode was my first
thought too, and I don't play enough web games to know what's going on,
if anybody wants to provide examples of some that cause a problem I'll
happily check them out. But that would be my guess, that browse mode is
getting toggled automatically in response to a change from the site.


On 11/2/2017 10:20, Gene wrote:
> If you are saying that turning browse mode off isn't consistent in how
> well it works, using the key pass through command will be no more
> consistent.  All that command is doing in that context is bypassing
> the screen-reader.  Turning off browse mode on a web page does exactly
> the same thing except you don't have to keep using an extra command. 
> When browse mode is off, keys you press work directly with the web
> page.  When browse mode is on, they don't.  That's why browse mode is
> off when working in an edit field in a form, for example.  You are
> working directly with the field.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Adriani Botez <mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 02, 2017 9:52 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] lock NVDA + f2
>
> It does not work very reliable in browser games, especially when
> dealing with types of browser games in java and php. It is also not
> very consistent in flash player, for example there are still lots of
> webinars which can be accessed in flashplayer by some keystrokes.
>
> *I have noticed this in different browsers. May the grafics driver
> have any impact on this? I have only tested it with my dell notebook
> on a nvidia gtx graphic card.*
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *Best*
>
> *Adriani*
>
> **
>
> *Von:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *Im Auftrag von
> *Gene
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 2. November 2017 15:35
> *An:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> *Betreff:* Re: [nvda] lock NVDA + f2
>
> Turn off browse mode.  Do you know the comand t6o toggle it off and
> on?  NVDA key space. Also, I don't recall if NVDA has a command to
> pass keys to the application when browsing.  But even in the youtube
> example, it is often much more convenient to turn off browse mode than
> use the key pass through command.
>
> Gene
>
> *From:*adriani.botez via Groups.Io
> <mailto:adriani.botez=googlemail.com@groups.io>
>
> *Sent:*Thursday, November 02, 2017 9:15 AM
>
> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
> *Subject:*[nvda] lock NVDA + f2
>
> Dear Community,
>
> Is it possible to create an addon which locks the keystroke NVDA + f2
> so that every key which will be pressed will be sent through to the
> application? It would make sense for example in browser games or in
> some browser videoplayers. It should just offer the possibility to
> disable and enable this licking feature whenever needed.
>
> Best
> Adriani
>
>
> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
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>
>
>

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www.nvaccess.org 

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Twitter: @NVAccess 

Hello all,

I am running Outlook 2016 (latest update) under Windows 10 (latest update) with NVDA 2017.3

Before I raise an issue in GitHub, I would like to know if anyone else has experienced this problem.

I have 464 messages in my Sent Items folder. When I open the folder I should hear the selected fields that describe each message  as I press up-arrow and down-arrow. In fact, I hear the first message details when I first open the folder list. When I press down-arrow I hear nothing! The arrow has in fact moved to the next message in the list but NVDA does not speak. I press down-arrow again, the   cursor has moved to the next message but NVDA says nothing. I keep this up for the first 265 messages. At message 266, NVDA bursts into life and speaks all the fields! If I press up-arrow once NVDA speaks the previous message but is silent again from there to the first message.

I experimented with the list and concluded that NVDA will only speak the details of the last 200 messages in the list. To do this, I shortened the list a few times and this pattern continued. NVDA only started reacting to the arrow   keys for the final 200 messages in the list.  When I took away the last 265 messages from the  list, NVDA spoke the full list of messages as there were now only 200 messages in the list. When I brought back the original messages and built the list back up to its original 464 items, NVDA was silent again from the first message until I reached the 266^th message.

I have been experiencing this problem randomly in Outlook 2016 for over a year now. It does not happen with JAWS 2016 or with Narrator so I am happy that it is not a video problem and that it is really an exclusive NVDA problem.

I will report an issue to the NVDA team. However, they cannot take it on as a development task if I am the only user who experiences it. For that reason, I would ask anyone who has seen the same problem could reply to the list and I will then be able to make a firmer case for the issue.

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

I had not heard of QRead before so went to their website to check it out. I downloaded the demo version and within 5 mins had returned to the website to purchase the full version! I think it's fantastic! I use a HIMS Blaze ET book reader and one thing that does annoy me is that Bookshare books cannot be navigated word by word or character by character which, if you want to know how a word is spelled is troublesome. When I read a html webpage, such as a newspaper, there is the word and character navigation, but apparently not in Daisy format books.

The QRead program will open Daisy books from Bookshare right from the zipped download, and I can navigate by word or character as I desire. Although Bookshare books can be read online, having to press the next page button at the end of a page gets a little tiring in a few hundred page book!

I tried QRead out on a PDF file too and can confirm it does open the PDF very quickly and is far simpler to navigate than using Acrobat DC. With PDF files I always either save them as text from Acrobat, or OCR them using Abbyy Finereader because I find that the best way to turn a PDF into a plain text file.

I'll be using QRead as my first port of call for PDFs and Daisy reading, and several other formats it handles :)