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Re: can't access my messages in seamonkey
Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi
I just checked and it looks like there are extra steps you have to do now to get your g mail emails. It looks like it is in the g mail account.
The following link from Mozilla should help you and later on today i will follow the directions to set up my g mail account as well then link the extra to the page on thunder bird.
The link to this page is http://pop2imap.com/thunderbird-gmail.php Gene nz
On 11/6/2017 6:46 AM, Tony Ballou wrote:
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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers.
To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert exam.
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Firefox stuck
slery <slerythema@...>
This morning when I opened Firefox, it opened my last window and then it
kept opening new windows. Using task manager to close showed 153 open windows. I did not update when it kept bugging me to update. Cindy
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Re: Firefox 57 etc
Tony Ballou
Hi Rose Marie,
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Because I've seen this happen more than once, I wonder if we can get any answers from google about it. Tony
On 11/4/2017 9:40 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Tony,
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Re: can't access my messages in seamonkey
Tony Ballou
Hi Rose Marie,
Strange, it's not the first time that I've heard an seen on 2 separate but recent occasions that G mail, Thunderbird, and sea monkey have some sort of issue, whether it be signing in, sending or receiving messages. I wish I had an answer for you about this
but I'm at a loss.
Tony
On 11/4/2017 10:52 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
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Re: How to find the stable version of Firefox won’t be automatically updated
Gene
I doubt there is much difference. We'll see
what others have to say but if it were me, I'd use the 32 bit version because I
don't know about add on compatibility with the 64 bit version. I also
doubt there is any significant difference in performance between the two
versions. But I'm basing those opinions and comments on very little
information. I remember when Internet Explorer came outwith its 64 bit
version that there were incompatible add ons and a lot of people used the 32 bit
version for awhile.
Gene
----- Original Message
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From: Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to find the stable version of Firefox won’t
be automatically updated Thanks, Jean. I found the 64-bit version, which is what I assume I should
use for new windows 10 64-bit machine.
Mary Sent from my iPhone
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Re: How to find the stable version of Firefox won’t be automatically updated
Mary Otten <motten53@...>
Thanks, Jean. I found the 64-bit version, which is what I assume I should use for new windows 10 64-bit machine. Mary Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:17 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
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Re: How to find the stable version of Firefox won’t be automatically updated
hello.
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here you are the direct link for firefox esr 32bit the last version of firefox which contains all security updates until firefox 56 hope that help, God bless you all! https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/52.4.1esr/win32/en-US/Firefox%20Setup%2052.4.1esr.exe
On 11/5/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Look for Firefox ESR (extended release). --
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Re: How to find the stable version of Firefox won’t be automatically updated
Gene
Look for Firefox ESR (extended
release).
Gene
----- original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 11:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] How to find the stable version of Firefox won’t be
automatically updated I went looking for the stable version of Firefox, the one that’s not going to auto update to number 57 when it comes out. I did find an off-line installer for version 53 on the website. I thought I remembered somebody saying that version 52 was what I wanted. But I’m not finding that. Does this go by another name? I’m hoping to find an off-line installer that I can put on a thumb drive and give to the person that I want to have stuff installed on this new PC before I bring it home. Mary Sent from my iPhone
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How to find the stable version of Firefox won’t be automatically updated
Mary Otten <motten53@...>
Hi all,
I went looking for the stable version of Firefox, the one that’s not going to auto update to number 57 when it comes out. I did find an off-line installer for version 53 on the website. I thought I remembered somebody saying that version 52 was what I wanted. But I’m not finding that. Does this go by another name? I’m hoping to find an off-line installer that I can put on a thumb drive and give to the person that I want to have stuff installed on this new PC before I bring it home. Mary Sent from my iPhone
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Re: can't access my messages in seamonkey
Rosemarie Chavarria
I didn't think of that. I'll give it a shot and see what happens.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2017 11:51 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] can't access my messages in seamonkey
Just a thought but do you have the allow less secure apps turned on in your Gmail settings? I am not sure apps like Sea Monkey will be allowed to access your Gmail unless you specifically allow it. You may have to go to the Gmail website and check your settings/notifications. David Griffit My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, everyone,
I can't find any of my messages in seamonkey. What could I be doing wrong? I tried signing in to my gmail account but seamonkey wouldn't accept the information when I know it's correct. What am I doing wrong?
Thanks for your help in advance.
Rosemarie
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Re: Using Slack?
Arthur BREUNEVAL
Hello,
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I find the desktop app has been improved since the last year. It was not usable at all before, but now I'm able to use it. I met some difficulties to connect to the workspace, but playing with tab, arrow keys and such, I was able to connect. When it was done, the navigation is acceptable, I find. I've seen better accessibility in applications, of course, but it still acceptable. I don't use the web app now, it is quite slow for me in Firefox and I was not able to enable notifications. Finallx, Slack offers a lot of shortcuts to navigate ùith the keyboard. You can, for example, hit Alt + T to place the cursor into the text area to type messages. You can review all keyboard shortcuts by hitting Alt + A in Slack (at least, in the desktop app) : an accessible menu will pop on, and here you can browse until you find "Keyboard Shortcuts...", or such. Regards. Arthur BREUNEVAL Sent with Mozilla Thunderbird.
Le 05/11/2017 à 14:55, Bhavya shah a écrit :
Hi Brandon,
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Re: Firefox 57 etc
Gene
Exploits are only one reason these changes are
being made. Wasn't it to this list that an article was sent yesterday from
a site that specializes in accessibility issues explaining why old methods must
be replaced by newer ones? As sites become increasingly interactive, the
old methods are increasingly inadequate. I just remembered the name of the
site. It's Marcos Accessibility blog. (spelling)) Evidently,
these changes in accessibility can't be just completely implemented in new
versions of Firefox but are under development. We cannot assume that they
are being implemented as they are for lack of prior planning. The article
Implies that their implementation is in some way, part of their
development. We see constant examples of programs becoming inaccessible or
less accessible in new versions.
We see constant examples of accessibility being added after a program is released rather than being developed with the program. That doesn't mean that we should assume a reflexive attitude that every such seeming occurrence is one. This case may be an exception that people will be very glad of as things develop. In addition, people can experiment with new
versions of Firefox and use the ESR version on the same machine without losing
access to either whenever they wish. Use the portable versions of both or
the installed version of one and the portable version of the other.
Gene
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Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc software. I'm also saying this, if somebody said that this' ere screen dis[play is a way in to Firefox lets make it invisible then it would not be changed to stop the exploit. That is the thrust I'm going for. Unfortunately it is a known fact that any code will have ways to get in and exploit it. Everything man or woman does has an up side and a down side as there are always crooks around. However these issues have been around for years and years and nobody did sod all about it, till recently, and now its a mess because they did not actually think about it they simply did a fix and we have to take the left overs till they fix it for us. Lets hope that checkbox does end up unchecked in the release version as I could not even find it so how con one alter it, I know! Hack the registry! grin. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Isige" <gwynn@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 1:57 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc Ah. Rhetoric. Like this. http://blog.trendmicro.com/mozilla-firefox-exploit-enlists-pcs-advanced-botnet/ And this: https://www.welivesecurity.com/2015/08/11/firefox-under-fire-anatomy-of-latest-0-day-attack/ The reason you're not hacked any more than other people is because Firefox updates for security, i.e. the very thing people are complaining about now because it's updating in a way that happens to mess with screen readers. It's true that, so far as I know, neither of these injection attacks are the kind of code injection screen readers do. That's because screen readers are local though and not using something like JavaScript, but that's about the only difference. And you should particularly note from the second link that the particular code injection attack being discussed there allows reading and writing of local files as well as uploading them. Have a credit card number written down somewhere for easy access? Get infected by that thing and it could very well be uploaded to a site for somebody else to try and use. My point is, injection attacks happen, they're bad, and this is another way to try and stop them. There's a real purpose to this change, whether or not anybody happens to like or agree with it. It's not just rhetoric, there are real examples of it, as I've just demonstrated. There's also a way for screen readers to deal with browsers that doesn't involve code injection, I believe this is how NVDA deals with Microsoft Edge because Edge doesn't allow code injection. That's also part of why everybody's still working on Edge accessibility, sure, that way doesn't materialize overnight, it has to be implemented and I'm sure issues have to be worked out with it, e.g. if a browser needs to expose certain things it doesn't currently. I get that the change Firefox is making isn't ideal for us, I'm just saying, there's a reason for it, and there are a lot of alternatives to using the new Firefox, including an older accessible version of Firefox if you don't feel like trying to change browsers and use Chrome or Edge until better accessibility for the new version of Firefox is worked out. There's no reason to assume that the sky is falling and that nothing will ever get better because clearly, Firefox is going down the road of hating blind people and ignoring them entirely and thus we're all crewed. On 11/4/2017 19:13, Ron Canazzi wrote: > Hi John, > > > Besides all that rhetoric, Mozilla has set the 'disable all > accessibility features' item to unchecked by default. As long as you > don't turn it on by accident, there shouldn't be any problem. I don't > know what the chance of you getting infected or hacked by something is > when this item is turned off, but I would imagine it isn't very high > because I don't see any greater number of blind people getting hacked > proportionately than sighted folks. Still there is an issue with > security now of days and it probably won't get any better for years. > Some people have already tested 57 with screen readers and were > careful not to check the box and things seem reasonably good. > > > > On 11/4/2017 6:08 PM, John Isige wrote: >> If you'd read all of the stuff in Freedom Scientific's post, you would >> have seen this link. >> >> >> https://www.marcozehe.de/2017/09/29/rethinking-web-accessibility-on-windows/ >> >> >> >> Code injection is a horrible idea from a security standpoint and also a >> coding one. It was something that was necessary back in the day, but >> probably isn't anymore. So that was a change that probably should have >> happened long before now anyway. It makes sense as a change and it was >> going to cause this issue whenever it happened. Not only do we have >> several accessible browsers to choose from, we have an accessible >> version of the one with the problem and one assumes work will be done to >> make the current version accessible. Seriously, do you people do >> anything other than bitch about stuff? I'm beginning to wonder. I get >> that the transition is annoying, sure. but some times there are actually >> good reasons to change things, however annoying the transition happens >> to be, and honestly, this one isn't all that bad in the grand scheme of >> things. >> >> >> On 11/4/2017 4:14, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: >>> Indeed, However I am critical of Mozillas handling of this. Its not >>> often that the makers of Jaws put up a page about the pitfalls and >>> also criticise a particular company for being unthinking about their >>> policy toward the VI community. >>> >>> Let us hope that somebody in the management at that organisation takes >>> us more seriously, however I'm not holding my breath, and I'm not sure >>> if jamie working for them will help much if the culture is going down >>> the road toward making all software inaccessible to stop hacking. He >>> is probably not the most tactful person in the world as indeed neither >>> am I. I can now afford to grow old disgracefully. Age has its >>> advantages as history does tend to repeat itself and we have all been >>> here before, sadly. >>> Brian >>> >>> bglists@... >>> Sent via blueyonder. >>> Please address personal email to:- >>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >>> in the display name field. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "никита тарасов" >>> <ntarasov29@...> >>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 6:41 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello. I don't think it's worth installing Mozila 57 until she's fully >>> available to NVDA. >>> Отправлено из Почты для Windows 10 >>> >>> От: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io >>> Отправлено: 3 ноября 2017 г. в 21:17 >>> Кому: nvda@nvda.groups.io >>> Тема: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc >>> >>> Yes I saw a message on the issues list from James, about some fixing >>> for >>> version 58, so maybe it will get resolved from the currently unusable >>> state. >>> Its new users of any screenreader I feel sorry for, especially where >>> its a >>> shared machine and the sighted member just lets firefox update. >>> There are a couple of other issues. It disabled both my add ons, >>> navigational sounds and Ublock Origin ad blocker and even when I put >>> the >>> version 52 back on I had to re download both add ons and install them >>> again. >>> Not only that but nvda after the update could not read the screen of >>> the add >>> ons manager, I had to exit firefox completely and go back in again to >>> see >>> if they had installed correctly, I'm sure this was not the case prior >>> to up >>> and down dating the version I had, which was 55. How also does one set >>> 52 to >>> get security updates without letting it update to 57 as I see it wants >>> to do >>> till I set updates to no, ie not recommended. >>> Brian >>> >>> bglists@... >>> Sent via blueyonder. >>> Please address personal email to:- >>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >>> in the display name field. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Mendoza" >>> <lowvisiontek@...> >>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 10:31 AM >>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc >>> >>> >>>> Hi, Brian >>>> >>>> >>>> I have the same issue on the other machine, and that is the reason >>>> why I >>>> keep to shift instead to use the Firefox ESR version 52 but for now I >>>> will >>>> stick to this version because there is likely more stable in >>>> performance >>>> and never has a problem. And, once the issue has fix maybe I could go >>>> for >>>> to use and test it again. >>>> >>>> >>>> Robert Mendoza >>>> >>>> On 11/3/2017 6:00 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: >>>>> With regard to this version of Firefox, and in addition to what >>>>> Joseph >>>>> posted about it. Here is what me acting as the average unaware >>>>> updater >>>>> found. >>>>> After installation only the menus work, no content on the page is >>>>> readable, you cannot go into any browse or focus mode. You just here >>>>> unknown. >>>>> Now there may well be some kind of setting that can be altered, I do >>>>> not >>>>> know, to achieve what he got, slow but functioning. I could not find >>>>> any >>>>> option for this. Not only that but it seemed to lose almost half >>>>> of my >>>>> bookmarks as well. >>>>> >>>>> So unless they fix this on the release version anyone trying to use >>>>> Firefox 57 when it comes out with the latest version of nvda, and I >>>>> am up >>>>> to date with the master branch here, will not be able to do so unless >>>>> they know how to make it work. >>>>> If these people are employees then they will probably need the >>>>> permission >>>>> of an admin to reinstall a version like 55, and turn off auto >>>>> updates. I >>>>> have reinstalled 52 in actual fact and got my bookmarks back as >>>>> well as >>>>> functionality. To my mind the makers of Firefox at the current >>>>> state of >>>>> play should be able to see if screenreading software is on a machine >>>>> in a >>>>> similar way to Adobe reader or Jarte does, and prevent it from >>>>> updating >>>>> to an unworkable version. >>>>> I cannot understand why they have not done this. >>>>> >>>>> Anyone care to comment? >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>>> bglists@... >>>>> Sent via blueyonder. >>>>> Please address personal email to:- >>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >>>>> in the display name field. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >
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Re: Using Slack?
Bhavya shah
Hi Brandon,
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Slack with NVDA and Chrome is an accessible experience. What problems are you facing specifically? Thanks.
On 11/5/17, Robert Kingett <kingettr@...> wrote:
Get them to enable IRC support and get them to give you the IRC --
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Re: Weather Plus 4.6 03.11.2017 update available
Akbar S. Currim <raahzam@...>
Hi,
Here is the log after selecting the debug level. Please do help. Thanks, Akbar INFO - __main__ (19:16:21.479): Starting NVDA INFO - core.main (19:16:21.986): Config dir: C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (19:16:21.987): Loading config: C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (19:16:22.000): Config loaded (after upgrade, and in the state it will be used by NVDA): {u'schemaVersion': u'2', u'upgrade': {}, u'update': {u'autoCheck': u'True'}, u'general': {u'showWelcomeDialogAtStartup': u'False', u'language': u'Windows', u'saveConfigurationOnExit': u'True', u'askToExit': u'True', u'playStartAndExitSounds': u'True', u'loggingLevel': u'DEBUG'}, u'speech': {u'synth': u'eloquence', u'outputDevice': u'Speakers (Realtek High Definiti', u'autoDialectSwitching': u'False', u'symbolLevel': u'100', u'autoLanguageSwitching': u'False', u'espeak': {u'voice': u'en', u'variant': u'max', u'rate': u'20', u'pitch': u'40', u'inflection': u'75', u'volume': u'100'}, u'eloquence': {u'voice': u'65536', u'variant': u'1', u'pitch': u'62', u'inflection': u'30', u'volume': u'92', u'rate': u'29', u'useSpellingFunctionality': u'False'}, u'sapi5': {u'voice': u'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech\\Voices\\Tokens\\TTS_MS_EN-US_DAVID_11.0', u'volume': u'100', u'rate': u'55', u'useSpellingFunctionality': u'False', u'capPitchChange': u'40'}, u'vocalizer_expressive2': {u'voice': u'Oliver', u'variant': u'premium-high', u'volume': u'92', u'pitch': u'68', u'rate': u'60', u'capPitchChange': u'40'}, u'sv': {u'variant': u'0', u'voice': u'1', u'pitch': u'4', u'inflection': u'25', u'perturb': u'0', u'vfactor': u'20', u'avbias': u'45', u'afbias': u'45', u'ahbias': u'45', u'intstyle': u'0', u'vmode': u'0', u'gender': u'0', u'glot': u'0', u'smode': u'0'}}, u'braille': {u'noBraille': {u'port': u''}}, u'keyboard': {u'useCapsLockAsNVDAModifierKey': u'True', u'keyboardLayout': u'laptop', u'speakCommandKeys': u'False', u'alertForSpellingErrors': u'False', u'speakTypedCharacters': u'True', u'speakTypedWords': u'False'}, u'mouse': {u'enableMouseTracking': u'False'}, u'documentFormatting': {u'autoLanguageSwitching': u'False', u'reportSpellingErrors': u'False', u'reportLineIndentation': u'False', u'reportLineIndentationWithTones': u'False', u'reportClickable': u'False', u'reportLandmarks': u'True'}, u'speechViewer': {u'x': u'85', u'y': u'55', u'width': u'500', u'height': u'500', u'displays': [u'(3200, 1800)'], u'autoPositionWindow': u'False'}, u'presentation': {u'guessObjectPositionInformationWhenUnavailable': u'True', u'reportDynamicContentChanges': u'False', u'reportObjectDescriptions': u'True', u'reportTooltips': u'True', u'progressBarUpdates': {u'progressBarOutputMode': u'both', u'reportBackgroundProgressBars': u'True'}}, u'virtualBuffers': {u'useScreenLayout': u'False'}, u'audio': {u'audioDuckingMode': u'0'}, u'uwpOcr': {u'language': u'en-GB'}, u'wintenApps': {u'updateCheckTime': u'1510302132'}} DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.125): setting language to Windows INFO - core.main (19:16:22.125): NVDA version 2017.3 INFO - core.main (19:16:22.127): Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation INFO - core.main (19:16:22.127): Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] INFO - core.main (19:16:22.127): Using comtypes version 0.6.2 DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.160): Initializing add-ons system DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.loadModule (19:16:22.163): Importing module installTasks from plugin Weather Plus DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.332): Listing add-ons from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.332): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\bitChe DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.338): Found add-on bitChe DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.338): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\clipContentsDesigner DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.342): Found add-on clipContentsDesigner DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.342): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\dayOfTheWeek DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.348): Found add-on dayOfTheWeek DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.348): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\easyTableNavigator DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.352): Found add-on easyTableNavigator DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.352): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Eloquence DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.358): Found add-on Eloquence DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.358): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\instantTranslate DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.362): Found add-on instantTranslate DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.364): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\mp3DirectCut DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.368): Found add-on mp3DirectCut DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.368): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\ocr DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.372): Found add-on ocr DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.372): Disabling add-on ocr DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.374): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\placeMarkers DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.378): Found add-on placeMarkers DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.378): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\reportSymbols DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.384): Found add-on reportSymbols DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.384): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\reviewCursorCopier DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.388): Found add-on reviewCursorCopier DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.388): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Softvoice DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.394): Found add-on Softvoice DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.394): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\speakPasswords DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.398): Found add-on speakPasswords DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.398): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\systrayList DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.404): Found add-on systrayList DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.404): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\tipOfTheDay DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.408): Found add-on tipOfTheDay DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.408): Disabling add-on tipOfTheDay DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.408): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Daniel-PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.414): Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Daniel-PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.414): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Kate-PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.418): Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Kate-PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.418): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Malcolm-PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.424): Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Malcolm-PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.426): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Oliver-PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.430): Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Oliver-PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.430): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Serena-PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.434): Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Serena-PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.436): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Ava-PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.440): Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Ava-PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.440): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Nathan-PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.444): Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Nathan-PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.444): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Samantha-PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.450): Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Samantha-PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.450): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Susan-PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.454): Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Susan-PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.454): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Tom-PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.460): Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Tom-PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.460): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Zoe-PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.464): Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Zoe-PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.466): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer_expressive2_driver DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.470): Found add-on vocalizer_expressive2_driver DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.470): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather Plus DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.470): Found add-on Weather Plus DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.470): Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\wintenApps DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.476): Found add-on wintenApps DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.717): Initializing appModule Handler DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:22.717): Addon bitChe added to appModules package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:22.717): Addon mp3DirectCut added to appModules package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:22.719): Addon wintenApps added to appModules package path DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.719): Initializing NVDAHelper DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.749): Speech Dictionary processing DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (19:16:22.749): Loading speech dictionary 'C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic'... DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (19:16:22.759): 35 loaded records. DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (19:16:22.759): Loading speech dictionary 'builtin.dic'... DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (19:16:22.766): 3 loaded records. DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.767): Initializing speech DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:22.767): Addon Eloquence added to synthDrivers package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:22.767): Addon Softvoice added to synthDrivers package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:22.769): Addon vocalizer_expressive2_driver added to synthDrivers package path DEBUG - external:synthDrivers.eloquence.SynthDriver.__init__ (19:16:22.920): Using Eloquence version 6.1.0.0 DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (19:16:22.924): Loading speech dictionary 'C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\eloquence-American English.dic'... DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (19:16:22.924): file 'C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\eloquence-American English.dic' not found. INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (19:16:22.926): Loaded synthDriver eloquence INFO - core.main (19:16:22.926): Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic) DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.927): Initializing braille input INFO - brailleInput.initialize (19:16:22.927): Braille input initialized DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.927): Initializing braille INFO - braille.initialize (19:16:22.928): Using liblouis version 3.2.0 INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (19:16:22.930): Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells. DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.930): Initializing displayModel DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.930): Initializing GUI DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.976): initializing Java Access Bridge support WARNING - core.main (19:16:22.976): Java Access Bridge not available DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.977): Initializing winConsole support DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.977): Initializing UIA support INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (19:16:22.980): UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3 DEBUG - core.main (19:16:23.246): Initializing IAccessible support DEBUG - core.main (19:16:23.246): Initializing input core DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (19:16:23.246): No locale gesture map for language en DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadUserGestureMap (19:16:23.246): No user gesture map DEBUG - core.main (19:16:23.246): Initializing keyboard handler DEBUG - core.main (19:16:23.247): initializing mouse handler DEBUG - core.main (19:16:23.279): Initializing touchHandler DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.initialize (19:16:23.279): No touch devices found DEBUG - core.main (19:16:23.279): Initializing global plugin handler DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.279): Addon clipContentsDesigner added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.279): Addon dayOfTheWeek added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.279): Addon easyTableNavigator added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.280): Addon instantTranslate added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.280): Addon mp3DirectCut added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.280): Addon placeMarkers added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.280): Addon reportSymbols added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.280): Addon reviewCursorCopier added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.282): Addon speakPasswords added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.282): Addon systrayList added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.282): Addon vocalizer_expressive2_driver added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.282): Addon Weather Plus added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.282): Addon wintenApps added to globalPlugins package path DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.342): C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:67: SyntaxWarning: name 'samplesvolumes_dic' is assigned to before global declaration DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.342): C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:228: SyntaxWarning: name 'volume' is assigned to before global declaration DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.342): C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:228: SyntaxWarning: name 'samplesvolumes_dic' is assigned to before global declaration DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.342): C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:380: SyntaxWarning: name '_addonBaseUrl' is assigned to before global declaration DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.344): C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:851: SyntaxWarning: name 'curSample' is assigned to before global declaration DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.344): C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:870: SyntaxWarning: name 'handle' is assigned to before global declaration DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.344): C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:968: SyntaxWarning: name 'handle' is assigned to before global declaration DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.344): C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:968: SyntaxWarning: name 'curSample' is assigned to before global declaration DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.344): C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:968: SyntaxWarning: name 'volume' is assigned to before global declaration DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.344): C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:1012: SyntaxWarning: name 'handle' is assigned to before global declaration DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.344): C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:1012: SyntaxWarning: name 'curSample' is assigned to before global declaration DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.344): C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:1012: SyntaxWarning: name 'volume' is assigned to before global declaration DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.345): C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:2310: SyntaxWarning: name 'samplesvolumes_dic' is used prior to global declaration DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.345): C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:2317: SyntaxWarning: name 'volume' is assigned to before global declaration DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.345): C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:2542: SyntaxWarning: name '_addonBaseUrl' is assigned to before global declaration DEBUG - external:synthDrivers.vocalizer_expressive2._vocalizer.preInitialize (19:16:24.802): installed voice add-ons: [u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Daniel-PremiumHigh', u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Kate-PremiumHigh', u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Malcolm-PremiumHigh', u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Oliver-PremiumHigh', u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Serena-PremiumHigh', u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Ava-PremiumHigh', u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Nathan-PremiumHigh', u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Samantha-PremiumHigh', u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Susan-PremiumHigh', u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Tom-PremiumHigh', u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Zoe-PremiumHigh'] DEBUG - core.main (19:16:25.250): Initializing core pump DEBUG - core.main (19:16:25.252): Initializing watchdog DEBUG - core.main (19:16:25.253): initializing updateCheck INFO - core.main (19:16:25.253): NVDA initialized DEBUG - core.main (19:16:25.253): entering wx application main loop IO - speech.speak (19:16:25.312): Speaking [u'Notice! dialog An upgrade is available for Weather Plus.\r\nClick on the Check for upgrades menu to download it.'] IO - speech.speak (19:16:25.336): Speaking [u'OK button'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (19:16:26.977): Input: kb(laptop):enter DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (19:16:26.996): accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None)) IO - speech.speak (19:16:27.052): Speaking [u'English (United States) - US'] IO - speech.speak (19:16:27.128): Speaking [u'Downloads window'] IO - speech.speak (19:16:27.138): Speaking [u'Items View list'] IO - speech.speak (19:16:27.145): Speaking [u'weather_plus4.6(1).nvda-addon 2 of 86'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (19:16:35.911): Input: kb(laptop):NVDA+n IO - speech.speak (19:16:35.996): Speaking [u'NVDA menu'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (19:16:36.888): Input: kb(laptop):downArrow IO - speech.speak (19:16:36.915): Speaking [u'Preferences subMenu p'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (19:16:37.921): Input: kb(laptop):downArrow IO - speech.speak (19:16:37.936): Speaking [u'Tools subMenu t'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (19:16:39.007): Input: kb(laptop):enter IO - speech.speak (19:16:39.036): Speaking [u'View log v 1 of 7'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (19:16:39.654): Input: kb(laptop):downArrow IO - speech.speak (19:16:39.680): Speaking [u'Speech viewer s 2 of 7'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (19:16:40.430): Input: kb(laptop):upArrow IO - speech.speak (19:16:40.464): Speaking [u'View log v 1 of 7'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (19:16:40.979): Input: kb(laptop):enter On 11/3/17, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io <adrianobarb@...> wrote: Hi to every one,
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Re: Using Slack?
Get them to enable IRC support and get them to give you the IRC information. I would suggest Miranda NG, Not Miranda IM, for an accessible IRC client. That is the only way to use slack accessibly on the desktop as of now. Slack says they have an accessibility team but they are taking their sweet time to make accessibility changes. 2 years now and they just added a colorblind theme. Compared to, say, Microsoft.
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Re: can't access my messages in seamonkey
David Griffith
To be fair on more modern clients it is no problem. So in Windows Mail on Windows 10 and my Mac machine you simply get passed through to the Gmail website where you have to confirm that this is a change that you wreally want to make. Then you are returned to your app and all works well but you get a security email telling you that your email is being accessed in another client/machine which in these days when so many email accounts get hacked, is probably understandable. I saw a thread on another list only yesterday where somebody has had their email hacked and spam mails were being sent out in his name. David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 05 November 2017 09:04 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] can't access my messages in seamonkey
I always turn this off as it seems to be a menace rather than a feature, what they seem to mean is that unless you use their online system it might not work. Brian
bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] can't access my messages in seamonkey
Just a thought but do you have the allow less secure apps turned on in your Gmail settings? I am not sure apps like Sea Monkey will be allowed to access your Gmail unless you specifically allow it. You may have to go to the Gmail website and check your settings/notifications. David Griffit My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ My Blind hammer Blog https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
From: Rosemarie Chavarria Sent: 05 November 2017 02:52 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] can't access my messages in seamonkey
Hi, everyone,
I can't find any of my messages in seamonkey. What could I be doing wrong? I tried signing in to my gmail account but seamonkey wouldn't accept the information when I know it's correct. What am I doing wrong?
Thanks for your help in advance.
Rosemarie
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Using Slack?
Hello, Are there any good clients to use NVDA with Slack? My school has a lot of activity that goes on using Slack and I have the hardest time navigating through the different channels and figuring out what is what. Thanks,
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Re: can't access my messages in seamonkey
Brian's Mail list account
I always turn this off as it seems to be a menace rather than a feature, what they seem to mean is that unless you use their online system it might not work.
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] can't access my messages in seamonkey Just a thought but do you have the allow less secure apps turned on in your Gmail settings? I am not sure apps like Sea Monkey will be allowed to access your Gmail unless you specifically allow it. You may have to go to the Gmail website and check your settings/notifications. David Griffit My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ My Blind hammer Blog https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts From: Rosemarie Chavarria Sent: 05 November 2017 02:52 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] can't access my messages in seamonkey Hi, everyone, I can't find any of my messages in seamonkey. What could I be doing wrong? I tried signing in to my gmail account but seamonkey wouldn't accept the information when I know it's correct. What am I doing wrong? Thanks for your help in advance. Rosemarie
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Re: Firefox 57 etc
Brian's Mail list account
Remember many do not use windows 10.
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So if you all say it works but it does not work here, is there a further bug on windows 7 and firefox 57. A friend with windows 10 tells me its very very sluggish at times compared to 55 his last version. I'm suspecting a problem with it on windows 7, but instead of point scoring between the two camps and I know I'm as guilty of being in the stupid people putting it out half baked camp, could somebpody install it on windows 7, and tell us exactly how to stop it not working at all. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc Hi John,
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Re: Firefox 57 etc
Brian's Mail list account
This is clearly not the case when I tried it as only the menus worked.
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From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc Hi John,
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