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Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Sky,
Alright.
Thanks.

On 11/9/17, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:
Hello. Let me check with him next month, and I'll get back to you on this
subject.

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shah
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Sky,
Before we debate the security of NVDA, I think we need to get the case of
the library representative clarified. Firstly, what are the bases of this
assertion that NVDA is less secure? Secondly, assuming that the claimant has
the requisite technical knowhow, has he perused NVDA's source code to
substantiate this claim? Thirdly, are there any specific security
vulnerabilities or exploits present in NVDA that he can point us to?
Unless the library representative can provide cogent responses to the above
questions, or strengthen his claim by concrete evidence, I would dismiss
such a comment as a misinformed and groundless one which holds no water.
Thanks.

On 11/9/17, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:
Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public
library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the
screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low
vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the
group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better
for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access
staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to
address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the
Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as
we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an
option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open
Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to
lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get
somebody from FS to train them on it. Any suggestions you guys could give
me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.





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Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Sky Mundell
 

Hello. Let me check with him next month, and I'll get back to you on this subject.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Sky,
Before we debate the security of NVDA, I think we need to get the case of the library representative clarified. Firstly, what are the bases of this assertion that NVDA is less secure? Secondly, assuming that the claimant has the requisite technical knowhow, has he perused NVDA's source code to substantiate this claim? Thirdly, are there any specific security vulnerabilities or exploits present in NVDA that he can point us to?
Unless the library representative can provide cogent responses to the above questions, or strengthen his claim by concrete evidence, I would dismiss such a comment as a misinformed and groundless one which holds no water.
Thanks.

On 11/9/17, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:
Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public
library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the
screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low
vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the
group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better
for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access
staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to
address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the
Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as
we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an
option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open
Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to
lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get
somebody from FS to train them on it. Any suggestions you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.





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Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Sky,
Before we debate the security of NVDA, I think we need to get the case
of the library representative clarified. Firstly, what are the bases
of this assertion that NVDA is less secure? Secondly, assuming that
the claimant has the requisite technical knowhow, has he perused
NVDA's source code to substantiate this claim? Thirdly, are there any
specific security vulnerabilities or exploits present in NVDA that he
can point us to?
Unless the library representative can provide cogent responses to the
above questions, or strengthen his claim by concrete evidence, I would
dismiss such a comment as a misinformed and groundless one which holds
no water.
Thanks.

On 11/9/17, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:
Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public
library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the screen
reading options discussed to a new participant who had low vision. However,
the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the group that it was less
secure, and they commented that it was better for home use, rather than in
corporate environments. Would NV Access staffers like to comment on this
issue, and what can be done to address this issue? Because they were going
to settle on the Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being
updated, but as we all know it got discontinued and they did look at
Window-Eyes as an option and they were more in favour of it due to it not
being Open Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due
to lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get somebody
from FS to train them on it. Any suggestions you guys could give me would
be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.




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NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Sky Mundell
 

Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get somebody from FS to train them on it. Any suggestions you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.


Ask about using YouTube with NVDA

prem.translator@...
 

Hello Listers, 
Today, I'd like to ask about using YouTube with NVDA. 
I've heard that many YouTube clips offer subtitle. Is there any way to read the subtitle with NVDA? 
I don't know much about Using YouTube. So, if anyone know the way, please suggest me. 
 
Thank you. 


Re: Problem with my screen

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Yeah, the active window is supposed to be the top one, but for some reason, that doesn't always happen, and so sighted folks can't tell what window you're actively working in.  I have no idea why this happens, but it's not just with NVDA, this behavior was equally prevalent over 10 years ago when I used jaws as well, so don't feel bad, it's neither new, nor is it an artifact of your screen reader.

On 11/8/2017 4:10 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Tis should not happen though as the active window should always be the top one surely?
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 1:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with my screen


It's possible too that your active window was hidden behind another
window. Since you had word open with a blank document, it's likely they
were seeing that window, and the notepad window you had open working was
hidden behind one or more other windows. This happens to me all the time
when I ask for sighted help, the first thing the sighted help needs to
do is move all the windows around until they find the window I'm working
in. It's likely you experienced something similar.


On 11/7/2017 7:43 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
It could be you have some windows (like WordPad maybe?) set quite
small. NVDA can still work with it, but visually your sighted
colleague might only be able to see the ribbon etc. If you press
WINDOWS+UP ARROW it should maximise the current window to take up the
full screen.

If you often work with a sighted colleague and would like them to be
able to better tell where NVDA is working with the focus, you could
install the "Focus highlight" add-on which draws a coloured box around
the object which currently has focus. It doesn't change how NVDA
works but can make it easier for sighted users sitting next to you.

You can install that by pressing NVDA+n to open the NVDA menu, then T
for tools then go down to "Add-on manager" and get add-ons.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 4:51 AM, Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io <bglists@...
<mailto:bglists@...>> wrote:

    If you get a sighted person to disable nvda or turn it off does
    the screen then work. I guess what I'm saying is, is this a driver
    issue or an nvda issue. I have noted that for example the place
    you are reading in a web page is often not on screen as nvda is
    working from its own buffer, but not whole programs being hidden.
    Brian

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    ----- Original Message ----- From: <prem.translator@...
    <mailto:prem.translator@...>>
    To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
    Sent: Monday, November 06, 2017 10:13 AM
    Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with my screen


    I use Windows 7, 32 bit with NVDA 2017.1

    The situation always happens when I open many things at the same
    time and go to each of them using Alt + Tab. When I back to
    WordPad, nothing appear on my screen, but everything works well
    with screen reader.







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Re: Question about typing.

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

There are a lot to choose from; eSpeak and Microsoft voices are just the only ones usually installed by default. Go to the NVDA downloads page and I think there’s a whole page there of different commercial and non-commercial software synths you can try out.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Luke Kio
Sent: November 8, 2017 5:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about typing.

 

I use Microsoft speech api version 5 There are only a few to choose from and that one is the only one I can stand.

 

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:31 PM, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:

I’m not sure, but I have a feeling part of this might be synthesizer-dependent. What synthesizer are you using, and have you tried experimenting with different ones to see if any have a faster response time? I use the Microsoft Core voice with NVDA now and I do find it rather slow for this, but tend not to use key echo so it doesn’t really bother me. I choose this synth because I feel like I’ll never really get used to eSpeak, and I know I’m not alone. I know the Festival synth is also rather slow since I tried that on another machine.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Luke Kio
Sent: November 8, 2017 4:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Question about typing.

 

I was a Window Eyes user and am now moving to NVDA. My question is about the speed that NVDA reads the letters back to me as I type. With W.E. it read them as fast as I could type, but with NVDA it reads them back very slowly. Is there a way to speed this up, or make  NVDA read them as soon as I press the button?

Thanks for any help.


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Re: NVDA and office 2016

Quentin Christensen
 

No problem, glad I could be helpful!

Quentin.

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Mary Otten <motten53@...> wrote:
Thanks, Quentin. I guess I was too hasty on the envy access training area site. I saw the tutorial on getting started. But I missed other things. I will definitely go back and check that out.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2017, at 2:58 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi Mary,

Office 2016 is in many ways similar to Office 2013.  NVDA works very well with both, and in a couple of cases, Microsoft have fixed bugs in 2016 so there are some things that work better.  I wrote the official NV Access training material for Microsoft Word and Excel using Office 2016.  The material itself works for Office 2010 to 2016 (I found in more cases I was noting a difference in the behaviour of Office 2010 compared to the other two, rather than a new difference in Office 2016).

If you are interested, our material is available from: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Mary Otten <motten53@...> wrote:
Hi all,
I was just looking on Jean‘s website, Accessibility central.net, and there was a tutorial there for using Microsoft Word with NVDA. It mentioned office 2013. I have a friend who uses a different screen reader, and he also uses 2013. Is 2016 accessible? I hope so, because that seems to be the currently available version.
Mary


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Re: NVDA and office 2016

Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

Thanks, Quentin. I guess I was too hasty on the envy access training area site. I saw the tutorial on getting started. But I missed other things. I will definitely go back and check that out.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2017, at 2:58 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi Mary,

Office 2016 is in many ways similar to Office 2013.  NVDA works very well with both, and in a couple of cases, Microsoft have fixed bugs in 2016 so there are some things that work better.  I wrote the official NV Access training material for Microsoft Word and Excel using Office 2016.  The material itself works for Office 2010 to 2016 (I found in more cases I was noting a difference in the behaviour of Office 2010 compared to the other two, rather than a new difference in Office 2016).

If you are interested, our material is available from: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Mary Otten <motten53@...> wrote:
Hi all,
I was just looking on Jean‘s website, Accessibility central.net, and there was a tutorial there for using Microsoft Word with NVDA. It mentioned office 2013. I have a friend who uses a different screen reader, and he also uses 2013. Is 2016 accessible? I hope so, because that seems to be the currently available version.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone





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Re: NVDA and office 2016

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Mary,

Office 2016 is in many ways similar to Office 2013.  NVDA works very well with both, and in a couple of cases, Microsoft have fixed bugs in 2016 so there are some things that work better.  I wrote the official NV Access training material for Microsoft Word and Excel using Office 2016.  The material itself works for Office 2010 to 2016 (I found in more cases I was noting a difference in the behaviour of Office 2010 compared to the other two, rather than a new difference in Office 2016).

If you are interested, our material is available from: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Mary Otten <motten53@...> wrote:
Hi all,
I was just looking on Jean‘s website, Accessibility central.net, and there was a tutorial there for using Microsoft Word with NVDA. It mentioned office 2013. I have a friend who uses a different screen reader, and he also uses 2013. Is 2016 accessible? I hope so, because that seems to be the currently available version.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone





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Re: Problem with my screen

Quentin Christensen
 

Re focus highlight, I know it often doesn't show as specific an item as would be ideal - for instance highlighting the whole editable section in Word, rather than the paragraph or word, but it is better than nothing and many users have reported it as being very useful when working with sighted people.

Re the possibility of the active window getting hidden behind another window, it can happen, and invariably it's annoying when it does.  Often things like anti-virus programs for instance, will pop up a notification to warn you about a risky file.  They may or may not steal focus when they do, and particularly if they don't, it can mean what you are currently working on isn't actually visible.  Other programs do it too.



On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:10 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
Tis should not happen though as the active window should always be the top one surely?
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 1:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with my screen


It's possible too that your active window was hidden behind another
window. Since you had word open with a blank document, it's likely they
were seeing that window, and the notepad window you had open working was
hidden behind one or more other windows. This happens to me all the time
when I ask for sighted help, the first thing the sighted help needs to
do is move all the windows around until they find the window I'm working
in. It's likely you experienced something similar.


On 11/7/2017 7:43 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
It could be you have some windows (like WordPad maybe?) set quite
small. NVDA can still work with it, but visually your sighted
colleague might only be able to see the ribbon etc. If you press
WINDOWS+UP ARROW it should maximise the current window to take up the
full screen.

If you often work with a sighted colleague and would like them to be
able to better tell where NVDA is working with the focus, you could
install the "Focus highlight" add-on which draws a coloured box around
the object which currently has focus. It doesn't change how NVDA
works but can make it easier for sighted users sitting next to you.

You can install that by pressing NVDA+n to open the NVDA menu, then T
for tools then go down to "Add-on manager" and get add-ons.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 4:51 AM, Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io
<mailto:bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>> wrote:

    If you get a sighted person to disable nvda or turn it off does
    the screen then work. I guess what I'm saying is, is this a driver
    issue or an nvda issue. I have noted that for example the place
    you are reading in a web page is often not on screen as nvda is
    working from its own buffer, but not whole programs being hidden.
    Brian

    bglists@... <mailto:bglists@....uk>
    Sent via blueyonder.
    Please address personal email to:-
    briang1@... <mailto:briang1@....uk>,
    putting 'Brian Gaff'
    in the display name field.
    ----- Original Message ----- From: <prem.translator@...
    <mailto:prem.translator@gmail.com>>
    To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
    Sent: Monday, November 06, 2017 10:13 AM
    Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with my screen


    I use Windows 7, 32 bit with NVDA 2017.1

    The situation always happens when I open many things at the same
    time and go to each of them using Alt + Tab. When I back to
    WordPad, nothing appear on my screen, but everything works well
    with screen reader.







--
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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess












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Re: NVDA crashing

adriani.botez@...
 

Here is what I get from debug. I guess that those oleacc.AccessibleObjects appear because I have pressed some keys on my keyboard while NVDA was frozen. But I might be wrong. So does anyone have a solution in mind? In addition, how can I make java access bridge available? And what is the user gesture map?


DEBUG - core.main (23:14:26.414):

initializing Java Access Bridge support

WARNING - core.main (23:14:26.414):

Java Access Bridge not available

 

Initializing input core

DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadUserGestureMap (23:14:26.848):

No user gesture map

 

DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:14:37.453):

Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:

  File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

  File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

  File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

  File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

  File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

  File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

  File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper

 

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:14:52.469):

Core frozen in stack:

  File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

  File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

  File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

  File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

  File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

  File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

  File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper

 

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:15:07.484):

Core frozen in stack:

  File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

  File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

  File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

  File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

  File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

  File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

  File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper

 

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:15:22.500):

Core frozen in stack:

  File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

  File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

  File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

  File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

  File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

  File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

  File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper

 

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.316):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2124 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.318):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2125 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2126 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66130, objectID 109 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2134 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.321):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2135 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.321):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2136 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

 


Thank you for your suggestions.

Best
Adriani


NVDA and office 2016

Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

Hi all,
I was just looking on Jean‘s website, Accessibility central.net, and there was a tutorial there for using Microsoft Word with NVDA. It mentioned office 2013. I have a friend who uses a different screen reader, and he also uses 2013. Is 2016 accessible? I hope so, because that seems to be the currently available version.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


Re: Question about typing.

Luke Kio <jameslukekio@...>
 

I use Microsoft speech api version 5 There are only a few to choose from and that one is the only one I can stand.

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:31 PM, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:

I’m not sure, but I have a feeling part of this might be synthesizer-dependent. What synthesizer are you using, and have you tried experimenting with different ones to see if any have a faster response time? I use the Microsoft Core voice with NVDA now and I do find it rather slow for this, but tend not to use key echo so it doesn’t really bother me. I choose this synth because I feel like I’ll never really get used to eSpeak, and I know I’m not alone. I know the Festival synth is also rather slow since I tried that on another machine.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Luke Kio
Sent: November 8, 2017 4:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Question about typing.

 

I was a Window Eyes user and am now moving to NVDA. My question is about the speed that NVDA reads the letters back to me as I type. With W.E. it read them as fast as I could type, but with NVDA it reads them back very slowly. Is there a way to speed this up, or make  NVDA read them as soon as I press the button?

Thanks for any help.


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Re: Question about typing.

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

I’m not sure, but I have a feeling part of this might be synthesizer-dependent. What synthesizer are you using, and have you tried experimenting with different ones to see if any have a faster response time? I use the Microsoft Core voice with NVDA now and I do find it rather slow for this, but tend not to use key echo so it doesn’t really bother me. I choose this synth because I feel like I’ll never really get used to eSpeak, and I know I’m not alone. I know the Festival synth is also rather slow since I tried that on another machine.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Luke Kio
Sent: November 8, 2017 4:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Question about typing.

 

I was a Window Eyes user and am now moving to NVDA. My question is about the speed that NVDA reads the letters back to me as I type. With W.E. it read them as fast as I could type, but with NVDA it reads them back very slowly. Is there a way to speed this up, or make  NVDA read them as soon as I press the button?

Thanks for any help.


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Bad Dog Audio Production
850-294-3998


Question about typing.

Luke Kio <jameslukekio@...>
 

I was a Window Eyes user and am now moving to NVDA. My question is about the speed that NVDA reads the letters back to me as I type. With W.E. it read them as fast as I could type, but with NVDA it reads them back very slowly. Is there a way to speed this up, or make  NVDA read them as soon as I press the button?
Thanks for any help.

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Luke Kio
Bad Dog Audio Production
850-294-3998


ALT Text character limit

Brunella Chiarugi
 

Hi!

Is there a pre-set maximum limit of characters the screen reader can read in an ALT Text?
In other words, what's the maximum length of an ALT Text that NVDA supports?

Thanks!


Re: Firefox 57 from an NVDA user's perspective - Marco's Accessibility Blog

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So why do not firefox put in some sounds themwselves. It seems to me to be bonkers to have no indication that some things have happened, ie end of page load end of download, link or button pressed etc. Its something I like but since I do not get on with Microsoft browsers otherwise, mainly due to the apparent strange logic of the downloading rules etc that its not in there.
Does Chrome have sounds? it did not seem to last time I tested it.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 from an NVDA user's perspective - Marco's Accessibility Blog


Well the legacy addons are changing to web extentions like chrome is now but the interface is more powerfull.

For me better privacy is gone and also classic themes are gone.

These are no biggies.

Navigational sounds is gone and I really liked that.

The big thing noscript is a hybred in transition to upgrade, ublock is not listed as legacy, neither is privacy badger and https anywhere which are the other 2 I use.

Sadly the navigational sounds stuff is not duplicated in any other addon.

So I suggest before you say its a show stopper you search for items that are going to work.

As another example this is no different from apple switching from 32 to 64 bit apps.

We had time to upgrade our apps and or find what didn't work.

When I switched to 64 bit I found about 5 apps didn't work, my nokia software, graille to the thief, 2 versions of soundrts, and silent steel.

None of these were exactly show stoppers, the nokia one well if I need to run that one, I think I can buypass it or run that in a 32 bit vm or another 32 bit system its not like I need to bother to much the only things I would need a sightling to do is to get the files for talks onto another folder to run if I ever got a new device and to be honest its more than likely with the way things are going with skype, and communications in general as well as what I do with sonnar that I am going to be pushed to a touch device of some description, probably apple for its access and the fact I don't need to modify my device though who knows.



On 9/11/2017 6:34 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
So how come whe I downloaded it and installed it it just said unknown. the checkboxes had not been touched at all?
I think this is the main problem. some get it to work while others say only its menus do not also of course the show stopper for me is add ons as well.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 from an NVDA user's perspective - Marco's Accessibility Blog


Hi!
I just upgraded to beta 14 of Firefox 57 to get a first-hand impression of
the slowness, or performance issue, that seems to be plaguing early
adopters. While I agree that it seems to be slower where page loading and
general responsiveness are concerned, I also find that stability and
reliability are great, including complex web pages. It takes some getting
used to but isn't altogether an unpleasant experience as it is quite
deterministic.
Greetings,
Felix

Michel Such <michel.such@...> schrieb am Di., 7. Nov. 2017 um 16:43 Uhr:

Very interesting article:

https://www.marcozehe.de/2017/11/07/firefox-57-nvda-users-perspective/


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Re: Question about using quick books with NVDA

 

Thanks man. I enjoy that I could help the author of this topic.


Re: NVDA and Win10 App Essentials.

 

To be honest I had the simular issue as you semi describe on a home server box that handles odds and ends non critical things.

My uncle just couldn't get sound and I found after something went that the sound drivers got mangled.

I reinstalled them and sound worked except windows wouldn't play any sound files, or even user sounds for events though sound did work.

I found out the system had got some malware and once removed the program happily took out some critical system files.

I had to delete the user accounts and put them back in and transfer all the data over.

and in 99.9% of the cases rerunning your apps again most of them just made another profile and it was sweet.

Cloud software like dropbox had to be reinstalled though as they didn't work.

It still took me 3 hours to do it all.

On 9/11/2017 6:39 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I guess it might be sortable by a driver update or something, but we have many machines running different flavours of windows and its often hard to know where the fault itself lies. I mean one might be forgiven for thinking that as long as the usb device was connected nothing would alter but that is often not the case for some weird reason. I lost a recording of a meeting like this as it basically disconnected the mixer.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Win10 App Essentials.


Thanks Brian.  I guess, just have to put up with it!
Blessings
Pascal

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I've had this happen on a usb sound card going back to internal and this I think is a windows problem not an nvda one, as even the input moves as well as the output.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Win10 App Essentials.


Hi Quentin,

First I would like to thank you for the kind and gentle manner you answer
questions on this list.  Second, (issue previously reported) each time I
update the Win10 App Essentials, my synthesizer defaults to the MSFT Sound
Mapper and I am left without speech.  It is annoying but fixable. However,
I am helping a newly blind person and It is happening on her computer and
the experience is more frustrating.  It usually happens after a reboot.  I
would appreciate someone looks into the issue.

Very much appreciated

Blessings

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 7:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] update on sapi 5 problem



Anna should be able to be used by other programs, but if your talk clip
program is loading anna and preventing it from being used by NVDA as well.
If Narrator is able to use Anna where NVDA isn't, maybe it's found a way of
accessing it that we aren't using.



On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Tony James <megatronjames@...
<mailto:megatronjames@...> > wrote:

Hi, I typically use the sapi4 mike voice.  I was actually asking because
another program uses the sapi5 anna voice to generate talk clips for my clip
zip, oh me recently and hasn’t been able to access the anna voice even
though narrator uses her fine.  Is it possible that some setting is blocking
this voice from being used by any other programs?



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Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 7:28:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] update on sapi 5 problem



Hi Tony,



Do you have sluggishness using NVDA with the default eSpeak NG voice?  NVDA
should be able to use most SAPI 5 voices.  Microsoft Anna is a voice that
Microsoft included with Windows 7 and should definitely work.  If you have
commercial software installed which comes with other SAPI 5 voices, it's
possible NVDA may see those but the voice might give an error when you try
to use it.  I've encountered this with programs such as Zoomtext and Talking
Typer.  The issue with those is they install the voices as standard SAPI 5
voices, but then restrict them so that they won't work if being used by a
program other than the one they came with.



Otherwise, do you have any other programs running which may want to use the
SAPI 5 synthesizer?  NVDA can run into problems if another program is trying
to use the same synthesizer at the same time (if they are both running, even
if both are not trying to speak at once).  The workaround is to set one
program to use a different synthesizer.



Kind regards



Quentin.



On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 5:57 AM, Tony James <megatronjames@...
<mailto:megatronjames@...> > wrote:

Hi, a while ago I posted about not being able to use SPAI5 with nvda.  last
week I had to launch narrator because nvda was being sluggish and narrator
started without a single problem.  I ran it again a few minutes ago without
a single hitch.  narrator is set to use anna, but i can't seem to use this
voice with any other programs.  does anyone no whats going on?