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Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content

Gene
 

If you have the setting on, as it is by default, it causes NVDA to read changes on the screen as they occur, such as if part of a screen updates with a stock market report.  This may be an incomplete explanation because if updating is done with ARIA, I don't know if the dynamic content affects reading.  The setting might also stop DOS windows from being read as well.  There is no reason to turn it off. 
 
Once you turn off scripts, web sites won't uppdate.  And if a program you use relies on dynamic content, you might make some of the program inaccessible.
 
I don't have the technical knowledge to know if my explanation is completely accurate or complete, but it more or less explains what the setting does and why there is no advantage to turning it off.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content

hello.
can you please tell me how to turn off or on dynamic content i nvda?
i did not find such setting!
i desable javascript, and any other script or active x, etc.
hope that help, God bless you all.

On 11/9/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This includes
> a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very international
> Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content.
> Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world where we
> are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking.
> Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as well.
> Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug:
>
>
> DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):
>
> Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML
> object at 0x0539B7D0>
>
>
>
> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):
>
> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already deleted
>
> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>
> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already deleted
>
> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>
> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already deleted
>
> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>
> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already deleted
>
> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>
> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already deleted
>
> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>
> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already deleted
>
>
>
> MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False
>
> MSHTML nodeName: u'A'
>
>
>
> Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.
>
>
> Any suggestions how to fix it?
>
>
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
>
>
> Best
>
> Adriani
>


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Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Pascal Lambert
 

That is the sure way to go.  I just helped, here in Knoxville Tennessee  the American Job Center install NVDA on their resource center computer for use by blind and visually impaired patrons.  Every public place ought to do the same.

Blessings

Pascal 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 3:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

 

Hi Sky

 

It is Gene from New Zealand. I noted that you said about NVDA and the teckie guy and what he said.

 

About 10 years ago a basic version of NVDA went into our library system here. it was rolled out to the rest of the country later on that year. Every year they have updated NVDA to the latest version of NVDA

 

You could not do this with a commercial version of a screen reader. I also told them about windows eyes free offer and they were not even interested. the lady or guy that pit onto the network when we got a award she had a cus who was visually impaired.

 

It covers from the top of New Zealand to pretty much the bottom of New Zealand at about 150 locations and NVDA is on about 750 computers throughout the network. If they are worried they can always lock it down and also stop portable access as well.

In my town here we have computers and i can go up to any one and there is a copy of NVDA on it.

 

The following link will show there is NVDA on there computers at http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/accessibility

 

The next link shows the locations where NVDA can be accessed throughout New Zealand at http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/statistics

It looks as though the news article goes to another page now so will either find it or remove it the same with magnification.

 

I can also put the person in contact with them and who to talk to as well.

 

My website seems to be going up and down and am wondering weather to stay with them or get another or even a new domain name.

 

Actually i just googled the article so will link it up there. The article can be found at http://www2.nzherald.co.nz/stratford-press/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503390&objectid=10973253

It is the article that went into the local news paper way back then.

I would if you do show him show the links straight to those pages as I know on my page where it is it will not help if the site is going up and down.

if he is worried about security

as i said he can always lock it down but make sure he does not remove the shortcut to start it.

NVDA is also in 2 information centres here in Taranaki and also at a training provider here in town.

When you do look at the nvda user statistics for new zealand you will notice the update feature is turned off so will not show unless people have it on.

 

I will tidy up the page tomorrow that has the info on it so it is up to date.

 

Hope it helps.

 

gene nz

 

Gene nz

On 11/9/2017 6:39 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:

Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get somebody from FS to train them on it.  Any suggestions you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.
 
 
 
 

 

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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: NVDA crashing

Adriani Botez
 

I use java programs. Anyway, at least i could solve the java problem.

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 09.11.2017 um 10:39 schrieb zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>:

if you dont use java programs, you dont need to install java access briedge!
hope that help, God bless you!

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I seem to have missed a lot of messages in this thread. What exactly are you

doing to get this lock up? It seems to be attempting to read a screen which

is not being recognised and getting into a loop.

Brian

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From: "adriani.botez via Groups.Io"
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA crashing


Here is what I get from debug. I guess that those oleacc.AccessibleObjects
appear because I have pressed some keys on my keyboard while NVDA was
frozen. But I might be wrong. So does anyone have a solution in mind? In
addition, how can I make java access bridge available? And what is the user

gesture map?

DEBUG - core.main (23:14:26.414):

initializing Java Access Bridge support

WARNING - core.main (23:14:26.414):

Java Access Bridge not available



Initializing input core

DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadUserGestureMap (23:14:26.848):

No user gesture map



DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:14:37.453):

Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:14:52.469):

Core frozen in stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:15:07.484):

Core frozen in stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:15:22.500):

Core frozen in stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.316):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2124 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.318):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2125 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2126 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66130, objectID 109 and childID

0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2134 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.321):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2135 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.321):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2136 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler



Thank you for your suggestions.

Best
Adriani





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Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content

Adriani Botez
 

Go to nvda prefferences and then to object presentation.


Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 09.11.2017 um 10:30 schrieb zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>:

hello.
can you please tell me how to turn off or on dynamic content i nvda?
i did not find such setting!
i desable javascript, and any other script or active x, etc.
hope that help, God bless you all.

On 11/9/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,

we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This includes
a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very international
Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content.
Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world where we
are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking.
Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as well.
Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug:


DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):

Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML
object at 0x0539B7D0>



DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already deleted



MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False

MSHTML nodeName: u'A'



Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.


Any suggestions how to fix it?



Thank you in advance.



Best

Adriani

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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
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Re: NVDA crashing

Adriani Botez
 

It is all about nvda freezing when pressing windows key in windows 10.


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Am 09.11.2017 um 10:27 schrieb Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>:

I seem to have missed a lot of messages in this thread. What exactly are you doing to get this lock up? It seems to be attempting to read a screen which is not being recognised and getting into a loop.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "adriani.botez via Groups.Io" <adriani.botez=googlemail.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA crashing


Here is what I get from debug. I guess that those oleacc.AccessibleObjects appear because I have pressed some keys on my keyboard while NVDA was frozen. But I might be wrong. So does anyone have a solution in mind? In addition, how can I make java access bridge available? And what is the user gesture map?

DEBUG - core.main (23:14:26.414):

initializing Java Access Bridge support

WARNING - core.main (23:14:26.414):

Java Access Bridge not available



Initializing input core

DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadUserGestureMap (23:14:26.848):

No user gesture map



DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:14:37.453):

Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:14:52.469):

Core frozen in stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:15:07.484):

Core frozen in stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:15:22.500):

Core frozen in stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.316):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2124 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.318):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2125 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2126 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66130, objectID 109 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2134 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.321):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2135 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.321):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2136 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler



Thank you for your suggestions.

Best
Adriani




Re: Warning test of how to crash espeak on Master branch.

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Hmm interesting that this worked here but on the list of issues it crashed espeak.
Sorry normal service now resumed. Brian

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IE do not read on in case this actually does it!
This is the character.




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Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content

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I seem to recall some screenreaders have a function where a particular area of a screen can be ignored for updates, or just polled when needed.Very handy for those tickers etc.
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Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content



Hello,


Disabling scripts doesn't always help, because it may cause other issues on certain sites.


I honestly think NVDA should do something radical about solving the dynamic content issue, either within the screen reader itself, or through an add-on.


If other screen readers can handle it, I'm sure NVDA can too.


Sorry, I can't code... I'd love to help otherwise.
Ciao, and thanks for all the great work the community is doing all the time.
Ollie




Il 09/11/2017 10:30, zahra ha scritto:
hello.
can you please tell me how to turn off or on dynamic content i nvda?
i did not find such setting!
i desable javascript, and any other script or active x, etc.
hope that help, God bless you all.

On 11/9/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,

we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This includes
a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very international
Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content.
Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world where we
are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking.
Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as well.
Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug:


DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):

Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML
object at 0x0539B7D0>



DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already deleted



MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False

MSHTML nodeName: u'A'



Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.


Any suggestions how to fix it?



Thank you in advance.



Best

Adriani


Re: NVDA crashing

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And I believe there is now no bridge for 32 bit java and the new versions of 64 bit have issues with nvda.
I saw some issues tickets on this yesterday.
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA crashing


if you dont use java programs, you dont need to install java access briedge!
hope that help, God bless you!

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I seem to have missed a lot of messages in this thread. What exactly are you

doing to get this lock up? It seems to be attempting to read a screen which

is not being recognised and getting into a loop.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA crashing


Here is what I get from debug. I guess that those oleacc.AccessibleObjects
appear because I have pressed some keys on my keyboard while NVDA was
frozen. But I might be wrong. So does anyone have a solution in mind? In
addition, how can I make java access bridge available? And what is the user

gesture map?

DEBUG - core.main (23:14:26.414):

initializing Java Access Bridge support

WARNING - core.main (23:14:26.414):

Java Access Bridge not available



Initializing input core

DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadUserGestureMap (23:14:26.848):

No user gesture map



DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:14:37.453):

Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:14:52.469):

Core frozen in stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:15:07.484):

Core frozen in stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:15:22.500):

Core frozen in stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.316):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2124 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.318):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2125 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2126 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66130, objectID 109 and childID

0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2134 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.321):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2135 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.321):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2136 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler



Thank you for your suggestions.

Best
Adriani





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Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content

Mallard
 

Hello,


Disabling scripts doesn't always help, because it may cause other issues on certain sites.


I honestly think NVDA should do something radical about solving the dynamic content issue, either within the screen reader itself, or through an add-on.


If other screen readers can handle it, I'm sure NVDA can too.


Sorry, I can't code... I'd love to help otherwise.
Ciao, and thanks for all the great work the community is doing all the time.
Ollie

Il 09/11/2017 10:30, zahra ha scritto:
hello.
can you please tell me how to turn off or on dynamic content i nvda?
i did not find such setting!
i desable javascript, and any other script or active x, etc.
hope that help, God bless you all.

On 11/9/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,

we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This includes
a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very international
Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content.
Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world where we
are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking.
Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as well.
Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug:


DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):

Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML
object at 0x0539B7D0>



DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already deleted



MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False

MSHTML nodeName: u'A'



Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.


Any suggestions how to fix it?



Thank you in advance.



Best

Adriani


Re: ALT Text character limit

Brunella Chiarugi
 

Hi!

Thanks a lot!
This is of great help! :)

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:35 AM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello.
just press nvdadown arrow key and nvda reads text entirely.
if you use web browsers and want to set amount of characters in one
line, you can set it in nvda preferences and brows mode.
hope that help, God bless you all!

On 11/9/17, Brunella Chiarugi <spimpi@...> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Is there a pre-set maximum limit of characters the screen reader can read
> in an ALT Text?
> In other words, what's the maximum length of an ALT Text that NVDA
> supports?
>
> Thanks!
>


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Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

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This is a whole other angle. You choose what works in the environment you work in, and as said nobody should need to buy their own access software if a company updates its stuff so you cannot use it. Its morally wrong though that never stops companies trying to kick out blind workers but the law in many countries is now stronger on constructive dismissal and other things.
I know that libraries use Firefox quite a lot, and wonder if they realise this is open source software?
Also I bet loads of companies use Android Phones, which is hardly the most closely guarded code in the world, is it!
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From: "Tyler Wood" <tcwood12@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions


Hi,
My workplace provided me with jaws.
Open source is nice, things get fixed, yes, but companies, especially government companies, want things that simply work and are well known and reliable. Also probably have an ongoing license with jaws, so why not use it?
Me personally, if I had a job requiring jaws, $125 every 2 years is hardly a drop in the bucket especially considering if the company pays for the license itself. Also for me, NVDA wasn’t usable in most of the cataloguing programs I worked in whereas jaws was. This was a few years back now, though, so things might change.


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: November 9, 2017 2:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Sadly this is the curse as much as it is a blessing with opensource.

Look at blind extra, there is probably nothing to stop people modifying
nvda with a virus and releasing it as something else and tricking users.

I know we have a good security review of addons, but what are ways we
can protect nvda if any from this.

Governments and such probably have a contract with vfo and need jaws
jaws or nothing.

I couldn't load anything bar jaws at university.

They simply wouldn't accept anything bar jaws.

On the other hand, if your work wants you to use jaws they should foot
the bill for it, and all upgrades, and smas, and if you suddenly have an
system upgrade and need to buy the same functionality again, then let
them pay the 600000 or so bucks for the privilage.

Not the users issue.

If they want to use a company with bad support, you just say I am not
paying for it, you pay or I just won't bother.

Users can not afford a lot of the access tech because governments and
organisations are paying for licences.

Dolphin stuff is affordable to some extent the rest naaah.




On 9/11/2017 7:52 p.m., Mike and Jenna wrote:
Hi,

I have to chime in here. My wife works for the government and they will not allow NVDA either. They said they do not allow anything on their systems ware you can get the code for it online because it forms a security risk for their systems. I love NVDA but can see due to the response form her IT department a hard line against letting NVDA into many government uses.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 1:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Sky,
I'm sure Quentin will weigh on this more, but when you meet this person next month, can you ask him the following questions:
* Please define "security".
* So it was claimed that closed source products are more secure. There are tons of examples where open-source software might offer equal or better security, not because of openness of code, but due to potential to fix issues early on through contributions. What's your opinion on that?
* Until a few years ago, using NVDA in professional setting was only a dream, but we're getting to a point where more organizations are choosing to use NVDA, and there are international examples out there. Do you have any comments on that?
* So Window-Eyes was chosen due to "perceived improved security due to close-source nature of the program". What is more secure in 2017: unsupported program that people cannot offer quality security fixes on a timely manner, or an open-source product that does have community backing, including looking out for security problems?
In case this person asks who and why these questions are asked, please tell him that a reputable NVDA developer asks these questions, and this developer is asking tough questions to get this person to think critically. If he asks, "why should I care or think critically", please tell him that thinking critically allows one to make better choices in the end, including policy decisions (yes, that's my debator side coming out). In the end, it would be much better (strategically) if you frame these questions as though you are asking them, because it also allows you to think carefully about what you are dealing with.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hello. Let me check with him next month, and I'll get back to you on this subject.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Sky,
Before we debate the security of NVDA, I think we need to get the case of the library representative clarified. Firstly, what are the bases of this assertion that NVDA is less secure? Secondly, assuming that the claimant has the requisite technical knowhow, has he perused NVDA's source code to substantiate this claim? Thirdly, are there any specific security vulnerabilities or exploits present in NVDA that he can point us to?
Unless the library representative can provide cogent responses to the above questions, or strengthen his claim by concrete evidence, I would dismiss such a comment as a misinformed and groundless one which holds no water.
Thanks.

On 11/9/17, Sky Mundell <skyt@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public
library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the
screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low
vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the
group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better
for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access
staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to
address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the
Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as
we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an
option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open
Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to
lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get
somebody from FS to train them on it. Any suggestions you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.




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Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

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I think they are way out of date with that attitude. Programs with closed source are routinely cracked by the less savoury folk out there, and so there is no point in hiding behind that particular wall. Remember it was only a couple of months ago that Ccleaner was issued with a trojan embedded in it on many web sites, and that is paid for software.

The approach in my opinion needs to be much wider than individual software, but system wide and nothing should be taken for granted.

No wonder so much hacking of commercial companies is going on if their admins are relying on others simply because they paid for the software.
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From: "Mike and Jenna" <schwaltze@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions


Hi,

I have to chime in here. My wife works for the government and they will not allow NVDA either. They said they do not allow anything on their systems ware you can get the code for it online because it forms a security risk for their systems. I love NVDA but can see due to the response form her IT department a hard line against letting NVDA into many government uses.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 1:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Sky,
I'm sure Quentin will weigh on this more, but when you meet this person next month, can you ask him the following questions:
* Please define "security".
* So it was claimed that closed source products are more secure. There are tons of examples where open-source software might offer equal or better security, not because of openness of code, but due to potential to fix issues early on through contributions. What's your opinion on that?
* Until a few years ago, using NVDA in professional setting was only a dream, but we're getting to a point where more organizations are choosing to use NVDA, and there are international examples out there. Do you have any comments on that?
* So Window-Eyes was chosen due to "perceived improved security due to close-source nature of the program". What is more secure in 2017: unsupported program that people cannot offer quality security fixes on a timely manner, or an open-source product that does have community backing, including looking out for security problems?
In case this person asks who and why these questions are asked, please tell him that a reputable NVDA developer asks these questions, and this developer is asking tough questions to get this person to think critically. If he asks, "why should I care or think critically", please tell him that thinking critically allows one to make better choices in the end, including policy decisions (yes, that's my debator side coming out). In the end, it would be much better (strategically) if you frame these questions as though you are asking them, because it also allows you to think carefully about what you are dealing with.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hello. Let me check with him next month, and I'll get back to you on this subject.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Sky,
Before we debate the security of NVDA, I think we need to get the case of the library representative clarified. Firstly, what are the bases of this assertion that NVDA is less secure? Secondly, assuming that the claimant has the requisite technical knowhow, has he perused NVDA's source code to substantiate this claim? Thirdly, are there any specific security vulnerabilities or exploits present in NVDA that he can point us to?
Unless the library representative can provide cogent responses to the above questions, or strengthen his claim by concrete evidence, I would dismiss such a comment as a misinformed and groundless one which holds no water.
Thanks.

On 11/9/17, Sky Mundell <skyt@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public
library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the
screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low
vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the
group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better
for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access
staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to
address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the
Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as
we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an
option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open
Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to
lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get
somebody from FS to train them on it. Any suggestions you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.





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Re: NVDA crashing

 

if you dont use java programs, you dont need to install java access briedge!
hope that help, God bless you!

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I seem to have missed a lot of messages in this thread. What exactly are you

doing to get this lock up? It seems to be attempting to read a screen which

is not being recognised and getting into a loop.

Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA crashing


Here is what I get from debug. I guess that those oleacc.AccessibleObjects
appear because I have pressed some keys on my keyboard while NVDA was
frozen. But I might be wrong. So does anyone have a solution in mind? In
addition, how can I make java access bridge available? And what is the user

gesture map?

DEBUG - core.main (23:14:26.414):

initializing Java Access Bridge support

WARNING - core.main (23:14:26.414):

Java Access Bridge not available



Initializing input core

DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadUserGestureMap (23:14:26.848):

No user gesture map



DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:14:37.453):

Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:14:52.469):

Core frozen in stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:15:07.484):

Core frozen in stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:15:22.500):

Core frozen in stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.316):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2124 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.318):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2125 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2126 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66130, objectID 109 and childID

0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2134 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.321):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2135 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.321):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2136 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler



Thank you for your suggestions.

Best
Adriani





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Re: ALT Text character limit

 

hello.
just press nvdadown arrow key and nvda reads text entirely.
if you use web browsers and want to set amount of characters in one
line, you can set it in nvda preferences and brows mode.
hope that help, God bless you all!

On 11/9/17, Brunella Chiarugi <spimpi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi!

Is there a pre-set maximum limit of characters the screen reader can read
in an ALT Text?
In other words, what's the maximum length of an ALT Text that NVDA
supports?

Thanks!
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Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

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I think they misunderstand open source. So they won't use Firefox then and various other programs. I think the point is their system needs to be secure in the first place. I'm sure many countries do use NVDA in libraries and I'd dispute its any less secure than many other programs open source or not. Tools exist nowadays to crack open any software so really they seem to be a bit out of date and maybe a bit complacent about their existing security as well in the current climate of criminality.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 5:39 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions


Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get somebody from FS to train them on it. Any suggestions you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.


Re: Ask about using YouTube with NVDA

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I gues it all depends how the subtitles are displayed. if its part of the image I doubt its going to be possible, but I have seen some clips where the captions aare a kind of text stream and although sometimes I hear those, whether it actually mucks up the video keeps pagce or not is debatable!
The You tube interface seems to have changed recently, for the worse so no idea if this is still even possible.
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 4:05 AM
Subject: [nvda] Ask about using YouTube with NVDA


Hello Listers,
Today, I'd like to ask about using YouTube with NVDA.
I've heard that many YouTube clips offer subtitle. Is there any way to read the subtitle with NVDA?
I don't know much about Using YouTube. So, if anyone know the way, please suggest me.

Thank you.


Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content

 

hello.
can you please tell me how to turn off or on dynamic content i nvda?
i did not find such setting!
i desable javascript, and any other script or active x, etc.
hope that help, God bless you all.

On 11/9/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,

we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This includes
a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very international
Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content.
Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world where we
are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking.
Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as well.
Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug:


DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):

Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML
object at 0x0539B7D0>



DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already deleted



MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False

MSHTML nodeName: u'A'



Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.


Any suggestions how to fix it?



Thank you in advance.



Best

Adriani
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Re: NVDA crashing

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I seem to have missed a lot of messages in this thread. What exactly are you doing to get this lock up? It seems to be attempting to read a screen which is not being recognised and getting into a loop.

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA crashing


Here is what I get from debug. I guess that those oleacc.AccessibleObjects appear because I have pressed some keys on my keyboard while NVDA was frozen. But I might be wrong. So does anyone have a solution in mind? In addition, how can I make java access bridge available? And what is the user gesture map?

DEBUG - core.main (23:14:26.414):

initializing Java Access Bridge support

WARNING - core.main (23:14:26.414):

Java Access Bridge not available



Initializing input core

DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadUserGestureMap (23:14:26.848):

No user gesture map



DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:14:37.453):

Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:14:52.469):

Core frozen in stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:15:07.484):

Core frozen in stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:15:22.500):

Core frozen in stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.316):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2124 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.318):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2125 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2126 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66130, objectID 109 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2134 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.321):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2135 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.321):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2136 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler



Thank you for your suggestions.

Best
Adriani


Re: Question about typing.

 

hello.
i use espeak iven3, its speed is excellent and its a very friendly,
lovely and acceptable voice for me.
God bless you all!

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It can go as fast as you can understand your synth really which one are you

using?
Brian

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From: "Luke Kio" <jameslukekio@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 9:17 PM
Subject: [nvda] Question about typing.


I was a Window Eyes user and am now moving to NVDA. My question is about
the speed that NVDA reads the letters back to me as I type. With W.E. it
read them as fast as I could type, but with NVDA it reads them back very
slowly. Is there a way to speed this up, or make NVDA read them as soon
as
I press the button?
Thanks for any help.

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in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
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best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org