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Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

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This is a whole other angle. You choose what works in the environment you work in, and as said nobody should need to buy their own access software if a company updates its stuff so you cannot use it. Its morally wrong though that never stops companies trying to kick out blind workers but the law in many countries is now stronger on constructive dismissal and other things.
I know that libraries use Firefox quite a lot, and wonder if they realise this is open source software?
Also I bet loads of companies use Android Phones, which is hardly the most closely guarded code in the world, is it!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler Wood" <tcwood12@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions


Hi,
My workplace provided me with jaws.
Open source is nice, things get fixed, yes, but companies, especially government companies, want things that simply work and are well known and reliable. Also probably have an ongoing license with jaws, so why not use it?
Me personally, if I had a job requiring jaws, $125 every 2 years is hardly a drop in the bucket especially considering if the company pays for the license itself. Also for me, NVDA wasn’t usable in most of the cataloguing programs I worked in whereas jaws was. This was a few years back now, though, so things might change.


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: November 9, 2017 2:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Sadly this is the curse as much as it is a blessing with opensource.

Look at blind extra, there is probably nothing to stop people modifying
nvda with a virus and releasing it as something else and tricking users.

I know we have a good security review of addons, but what are ways we
can protect nvda if any from this.

Governments and such probably have a contract with vfo and need jaws
jaws or nothing.

I couldn't load anything bar jaws at university.

They simply wouldn't accept anything bar jaws.

On the other hand, if your work wants you to use jaws they should foot
the bill for it, and all upgrades, and smas, and if you suddenly have an
system upgrade and need to buy the same functionality again, then let
them pay the 600000 or so bucks for the privilage.

Not the users issue.

If they want to use a company with bad support, you just say I am not
paying for it, you pay or I just won't bother.

Users can not afford a lot of the access tech because governments and
organisations are paying for licences.

Dolphin stuff is affordable to some extent the rest naaah.




On 9/11/2017 7:52 p.m., Mike and Jenna wrote:
Hi,

I have to chime in here. My wife works for the government and they will not allow NVDA either. They said they do not allow anything on their systems ware you can get the code for it online because it forms a security risk for their systems. I love NVDA but can see due to the response form her IT department a hard line against letting NVDA into many government uses.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 1:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Sky,
I'm sure Quentin will weigh on this more, but when you meet this person next month, can you ask him the following questions:
* Please define "security".
* So it was claimed that closed source products are more secure. There are tons of examples where open-source software might offer equal or better security, not because of openness of code, but due to potential to fix issues early on through contributions. What's your opinion on that?
* Until a few years ago, using NVDA in professional setting was only a dream, but we're getting to a point where more organizations are choosing to use NVDA, and there are international examples out there. Do you have any comments on that?
* So Window-Eyes was chosen due to "perceived improved security due to close-source nature of the program". What is more secure in 2017: unsupported program that people cannot offer quality security fixes on a timely manner, or an open-source product that does have community backing, including looking out for security problems?
In case this person asks who and why these questions are asked, please tell him that a reputable NVDA developer asks these questions, and this developer is asking tough questions to get this person to think critically. If he asks, "why should I care or think critically", please tell him that thinking critically allows one to make better choices in the end, including policy decisions (yes, that's my debator side coming out). In the end, it would be much better (strategically) if you frame these questions as though you are asking them, because it also allows you to think carefully about what you are dealing with.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hello. Let me check with him next month, and I'll get back to you on this subject.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Sky,
Before we debate the security of NVDA, I think we need to get the case of the library representative clarified. Firstly, what are the bases of this assertion that NVDA is less secure? Secondly, assuming that the claimant has the requisite technical knowhow, has he perused NVDA's source code to substantiate this claim? Thirdly, are there any specific security vulnerabilities or exploits present in NVDA that he can point us to?
Unless the library representative can provide cogent responses to the above questions, or strengthen his claim by concrete evidence, I would dismiss such a comment as a misinformed and groundless one which holds no water.
Thanks.

On 11/9/17, Sky Mundell <skyt@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public
library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the
screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low
vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the
group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better
for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access
staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to
address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the
Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as
we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an
option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open
Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to
lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get
somebody from FS to train them on it. Any suggestions you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.




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Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

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I think they are way out of date with that attitude. Programs with closed source are routinely cracked by the less savoury folk out there, and so there is no point in hiding behind that particular wall. Remember it was only a couple of months ago that Ccleaner was issued with a trojan embedded in it on many web sites, and that is paid for software.

The approach in my opinion needs to be much wider than individual software, but system wide and nothing should be taken for granted.

No wonder so much hacking of commercial companies is going on if their admins are relying on others simply because they paid for the software.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike and Jenna" <schwaltze@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions


Hi,

I have to chime in here. My wife works for the government and they will not allow NVDA either. They said they do not allow anything on their systems ware you can get the code for it online because it forms a security risk for their systems. I love NVDA but can see due to the response form her IT department a hard line against letting NVDA into many government uses.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 1:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Sky,
I'm sure Quentin will weigh on this more, but when you meet this person next month, can you ask him the following questions:
* Please define "security".
* So it was claimed that closed source products are more secure. There are tons of examples where open-source software might offer equal or better security, not because of openness of code, but due to potential to fix issues early on through contributions. What's your opinion on that?
* Until a few years ago, using NVDA in professional setting was only a dream, but we're getting to a point where more organizations are choosing to use NVDA, and there are international examples out there. Do you have any comments on that?
* So Window-Eyes was chosen due to "perceived improved security due to close-source nature of the program". What is more secure in 2017: unsupported program that people cannot offer quality security fixes on a timely manner, or an open-source product that does have community backing, including looking out for security problems?
In case this person asks who and why these questions are asked, please tell him that a reputable NVDA developer asks these questions, and this developer is asking tough questions to get this person to think critically. If he asks, "why should I care or think critically", please tell him that thinking critically allows one to make better choices in the end, including policy decisions (yes, that's my debator side coming out). In the end, it would be much better (strategically) if you frame these questions as though you are asking them, because it also allows you to think carefully about what you are dealing with.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hello. Let me check with him next month, and I'll get back to you on this subject.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Sky,
Before we debate the security of NVDA, I think we need to get the case of the library representative clarified. Firstly, what are the bases of this assertion that NVDA is less secure? Secondly, assuming that the claimant has the requisite technical knowhow, has he perused NVDA's source code to substantiate this claim? Thirdly, are there any specific security vulnerabilities or exploits present in NVDA that he can point us to?
Unless the library representative can provide cogent responses to the above questions, or strengthen his claim by concrete evidence, I would dismiss such a comment as a misinformed and groundless one which holds no water.
Thanks.

On 11/9/17, Sky Mundell <skyt@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public
library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the
screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low
vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the
group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better
for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access
staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to
address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the
Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as
we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an
option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open
Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to
lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get
somebody from FS to train them on it. Any suggestions you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.





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Re: NVDA crashing

 

if you dont use java programs, you dont need to install java access briedge!
hope that help, God bless you!

On 11/9/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
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I seem to have missed a lot of messages in this thread. What exactly are you

doing to get this lock up? It seems to be attempting to read a screen which

is not being recognised and getting into a loop.

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From: "adriani.botez via Groups.Io"
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA crashing


Here is what I get from debug. I guess that those oleacc.AccessibleObjects
appear because I have pressed some keys on my keyboard while NVDA was
frozen. But I might be wrong. So does anyone have a solution in mind? In
addition, how can I make java access bridge available? And what is the user

gesture map?

DEBUG - core.main (23:14:26.414):

initializing Java Access Bridge support

WARNING - core.main (23:14:26.414):

Java Access Bridge not available



Initializing input core

DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadUserGestureMap (23:14:26.848):

No user gesture map



DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:14:37.453):

Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:14:52.469):

Core frozen in stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:15:07.484):

Core frozen in stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:15:22.500):

Core frozen in stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.316):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2124 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.318):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2125 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2126 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66130, objectID 109 and childID

0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2134 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.321):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2135 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.321):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2136 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler



Thank you for your suggestions.

Best
Adriani





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Re: ALT Text character limit

 

hello.
just press nvdadown arrow key and nvda reads text entirely.
if you use web browsers and want to set amount of characters in one
line, you can set it in nvda preferences and brows mode.
hope that help, God bless you all!

On 11/9/17, Brunella Chiarugi <spimpi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi!

Is there a pre-set maximum limit of characters the screen reader can read
in an ALT Text?
In other words, what's the maximum length of an ALT Text that NVDA
supports?

Thanks!
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Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

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I think they misunderstand open source. So they won't use Firefox then and various other programs. I think the point is their system needs to be secure in the first place. I'm sure many countries do use NVDA in libraries and I'd dispute its any less secure than many other programs open source or not. Tools exist nowadays to crack open any software so really they seem to be a bit out of date and maybe a bit complacent about their existing security as well in the current climate of criminality.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sky Mundell" <skyt@shaw.ca>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 5:39 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions


Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get somebody from FS to train them on it. Any suggestions you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.


Re: Ask about using YouTube with NVDA

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I gues it all depends how the subtitles are displayed. if its part of the image I doubt its going to be possible, but I have seen some clips where the captions aare a kind of text stream and although sometimes I hear those, whether it actually mucks up the video keeps pagce or not is debatable!
The You tube interface seems to have changed recently, for the worse so no idea if this is still even possible.
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----- Original Message -----
From: <prem.translator@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 4:05 AM
Subject: [nvda] Ask about using YouTube with NVDA


Hello Listers,
Today, I'd like to ask about using YouTube with NVDA.
I've heard that many YouTube clips offer subtitle. Is there any way to read the subtitle with NVDA?
I don't know much about Using YouTube. So, if anyone know the way, please suggest me.

Thank you.


Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content

 

hello.
can you please tell me how to turn off or on dynamic content i nvda?
i did not find such setting!
i desable javascript, and any other script or active x, etc.
hope that help, God bless you all.

On 11/9/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,

we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This includes
a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very international
Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content.
Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world where we
are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking.
Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as well.
Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug:


DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):

Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML
object at 0x0539B7D0>



DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already deleted



MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False

MSHTML nodeName: u'A'



Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.


Any suggestions how to fix it?



Thank you in advance.



Best

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Re: NVDA crashing

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I seem to have missed a lot of messages in this thread. What exactly are you doing to get this lock up? It seems to be attempting to read a screen which is not being recognised and getting into a loop.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA crashing


Here is what I get from debug. I guess that those oleacc.AccessibleObjects appear because I have pressed some keys on my keyboard while NVDA was frozen. But I might be wrong. So does anyone have a solution in mind? In addition, how can I make java access bridge available? And what is the user gesture map?

DEBUG - core.main (23:14:26.414):

initializing Java Access Bridge support

WARNING - core.main (23:14:26.414):

Java Access Bridge not available



Initializing input core

DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadUserGestureMap (23:14:26.848):

No user gesture map



DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:14:37.453):

Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:14:52.469):

Core frozen in stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:15:07.484):

Core frozen in stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:15:22.500):

Core frozen in stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper



DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.316):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2124 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.318):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2125 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2126 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66130, objectID 109 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2134 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.321):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2135 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.321):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2136 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler



Thank you for your suggestions.

Best
Adriani


Re: Question about typing.

 

hello.
i use espeak iven3, its speed is excellent and its a very friendly,
lovely and acceptable voice for me.
God bless you all!

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Subject: [nvda] Question about typing.


I was a Window Eyes user and am now moving to NVDA. My question is about
the speed that NVDA reads the letters back to me as I type. With W.E. it
read them as fast as I could type, but with NVDA it reads them back very
slowly. Is there a way to speed this up, or make NVDA read them as soon
as
I press the button?
Thanks for any help.

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Re: Question about typing.

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The point is that those are really designed to read text like books and other things that have grammar, if you want quick you usually end up with robotic, like eloquence or one of the espeak varients like Quincy or similar. The Microsoft voices are known to be slow based on real speech.
What were you using on window Eyes?
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about typing.


I use Microsoft speech api version 5 There are only a few to choose from
and that one is the only one I can stand.

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:31 PM, JM Casey <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> wrote:

I’m not sure, but I have a feeling part of this might be
synthesizer-dependent. What synthesizer are you using, and have you tried
experimenting with different ones to see if any have a faster response
time? I use the Microsoft Core voice with NVDA now and I do find it rather
slow for this, but tend not to use key echo so it doesn’t really bother me.
I choose this synth because I feel like I’ll never really get used to
eSpeak, and I know I’m not alone. I know the Festival synth is also rather
slow since I tried that on another machine.







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*Subject:* [nvda] Question about typing.



I was a Window Eyes user and am now moving to NVDA. My question is about
the speed that NVDA reads the letters back to me as I type. With W.E. it
read them as fast as I could type, but with NVDA it reads them back very
slowly. Is there a way to speed this up, or make NVDA read them as soon as
I press the button?

Thanks for any help.


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Re: Question about typing.

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It can go as fast as you can understand your synth really which one are you using?
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Subject: [nvda] Question about typing.


I was a Window Eyes user and am now moving to NVDA. My question is about
the speed that NVDA reads the letters back to me as I type. With W.E. it
read them as fast as I could type, but with NVDA it reads them back very
slowly. Is there a way to speed this up, or make NVDA read them as soon as
I press the button?
Thanks for any help.

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NVDA Problems with dynamic content

Adriani Botez
 

Dear all,

we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This includes a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very international Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content. Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world where we are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking. Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as well. Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug:


DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):

Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML object at 0x0539B7D0>

 

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already deleted

 

MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False

MSHTML nodeName: u'A'



Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.


Any suggestions how to fix it?



Thank you in advance.



Best

Adriani


Re: Problem with my screen

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Well, I've never seen this on normal apps, some apps can be run this way quite often but normally these are things that might suddenly steal focus when you do not want them to, not things like text editors which are dormant till you need to use them.
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Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with my screen


Yeah, the active window is supposed to be the top one, but for some reason, that doesn't always happen, and so sighted folks can't tell what window you're actively working in. I have no idea why this happens, but it's not just with NVDA, this behavior was equally prevalent over 10 years ago when I used jaws as well, so don't feel bad, it's neither new, nor is it an artifact of your screen reader.


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Tis should not happen though as the active window should always be the top one surely?
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with my screen


It's possible too that your active window was hidden behind another
window. Since you had word open with a blank document, it's likely they
were seeing that window, and the notepad window you had open working was
hidden behind one or more other windows. This happens to me all the time
when I ask for sighted help, the first thing the sighted help needs to
do is move all the windows around until they find the window I'm working
in. It's likely you experienced something similar.


On 11/7/2017 7:43 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
It could be you have some windows (like WordPad maybe?) set quite
small. NVDA can still work with it, but visually your sighted
colleague might only be able to see the ribbon etc. If you press
WINDOWS+UP ARROW it should maximise the current window to take up the
full screen.

If you often work with a sighted colleague and would like them to be
able to better tell where NVDA is working with the focus, you could
install the "Focus highlight" add-on which draws a coloured box around
the object which currently has focus. It doesn't change how NVDA
works but can make it easier for sighted users sitting next to you.

You can install that by pressing NVDA+n to open the NVDA menu, then T
for tools then go down to "Add-on manager" and get add-ons.

Kind regards

Quentin.

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If you get a sighted person to disable nvda or turn it off does
the screen then work. I guess what I'm saying is, is this a driver
issue or an nvda issue. I have noted that for example the place
you are reading in a web page is often not on screen as nvda is
working from its own buffer, but not whole programs being hidden.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with my screen


I use Windows 7, 32 bit with NVDA 2017.1

The situation always happens when I open many things at the same
time and go to each of them using Alt + Tab. When I back to
WordPad, nothing appear on my screen, but everything works well
with screen reader.







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Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

My workplace provided me with jaws.

Open source is nice, things get fixed, yes, but companies, especially government companies, want things that simply work and are well known and reliable. Also probably have an ongoing license with jaws, so why not use it?

Me personally, if I had a job requiring jaws, $125 every 2 years is hardly a drop in the bucket especially considering if the company pays for the license itself. Also for me, NVDA wasn’t usable in most of the cataloguing programs I worked in whereas jaws was. This was a few years back now, though, so things might change.

 

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: November 9, 2017 2:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

 

Sadly this is the curse as much as it is a blessing with opensource.

 

Look at blind extra, there is probably nothing to stop people modifying

nvda with a virus and releasing it as something else and tricking users.

 

I know we have a good security review of addons, but  what are ways we

can protect nvda if any from this.

 

Governments and such probably have a contract with vfo and need jaws

jaws or nothing.

 

I couldn't load anything bar jaws at university.

 

They simply wouldn't accept anything bar jaws.

 

On the other hand, if your work wants you to use jaws they should foot

the bill for it, and all upgrades, and smas, and if you suddenly have an

system upgrade and need to buy the same functionality again, then let

them pay the 600000 or so bucks for the privilage.

 

Not the users issue.

 

If they want to use a company with bad support, you just say I am not

paying for it, you pay or I just won't bother.

 

Users can not afford a lot of the access tech because governments and

organisations are paying for licences.

 

Dolphin stuff is affordable to some extent the rest naaah.

 

 

 

 

On 9/11/2017 7:52 p.m., Mike and Jenna wrote:

> Hi,

> I have to chime in here. My wife works for the government and they will not allow NVDA either. They said they do not allow anything on their systems ware you can get the code for it online because it forms a security risk for their systems. I love NVDA but can see due to the response form her IT department a hard line against letting NVDA into many government uses.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee

> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 1:15 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

> Hi Sky,

> I'm sure Quentin will weigh on this more, but when you meet this person next month, can you ask him the following questions:

> * Please define "security".

> * So it was claimed that closed source products are more secure. There are tons of examples where open-source software might offer equal or better security, not because of openness of code, but due to potential to fix issues early on through contributions. What's your opinion on that?

> * Until a few years ago, using NVDA in professional setting was only a dream, but we're getting to a point where more organizations are choosing to use NVDA, and there are international examples out there. Do you have any comments on that?

> * So Window-Eyes was chosen due to "perceived improved security due to close-source nature of the program". What is more secure in 2017: unsupported program that people cannot offer quality security fixes on a timely manner, or an open-source product that does have community backing, including looking out for security problems?

> In case this person asks who and why these questions are asked, please tell him that a reputable NVDA developer asks these questions, and this developer is asking tough questions to get this person to think critically. If he asks, "why should I care or think critically", please tell him that thinking critically allows one to make better choices in the end, including policy decisions (yes, that's my debator side coming out). In the end, it would be much better (strategically) if you frame these questions as though you are asking them, because it also allows you to think carefully about what you are dealing with.

> Cheers,

> Joseph

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell

> Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:04 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

> Hello. Let me check with him next month, and I'll get back to you on this subject.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah

> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:02 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

> Hi Sky,

> Before we debate the security of NVDA, I think we need to get the case of the library representative clarified. Firstly, what are the bases of this assertion that NVDA is less secure? Secondly, assuming that the claimant has the requisite technical knowhow, has he perused NVDA's source code to substantiate this claim? Thirdly, are there any specific security vulnerabilities or exploits present in NVDA that he can point us to?

> Unless the library representative can provide cogent responses to the above questions, or strengthen his claim by concrete evidence, I would dismiss such a comment as a misinformed and groundless one which holds no water.

> Thanks.

> On 11/9/17, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

>> Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public

>> library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the

>> screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low

>> vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the

>> group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better

>> for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access

>> staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to

>> address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the

>> Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as

>> we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an

>> option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open

>> Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to

>> lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get

>> somebody from FS to train them on it.  Any suggestions you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

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Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

 

Sadly this is the curse as much as it is a blessing with opensource.

Look at blind extra, there is probably nothing to stop people modifying nvda with a virus and releasing it as something else and tricking users.

I know we have a good security review of addons, but  what are ways we can protect nvda if any from this.

Governments and such probably have a contract with vfo and need jaws jaws or nothing.

I couldn't load anything bar jaws at university.

They simply wouldn't accept anything bar jaws.

On the other hand, if your work wants you to use jaws they should foot the bill for it, and all upgrades, and smas, and if you suddenly have an system upgrade and need to buy the same functionality again, then let them pay the 600000 or so bucks for the privilage.

Not the users issue.

If they want to use a company with bad support, you just say I am not paying for it, you pay or I just won't bother.

Users can not afford a lot of the access tech because governments and organisations are paying for licences.

Dolphin stuff is affordable to some extent the rest naaah.

On 9/11/2017 7:52 p.m., Mike and Jenna wrote:
Hi,

I have to chime in here. My wife works for the government and they will not allow NVDA either. They said they do not allow anything on their systems ware you can get the code for it online because it forms a security risk for their systems. I love NVDA but can see due to the response form her IT department a hard line against letting NVDA into many government uses.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 1:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Sky,
I'm sure Quentin will weigh on this more, but when you meet this person next month, can you ask him the following questions:
* Please define "security".
* So it was claimed that closed source products are more secure. There are tons of examples where open-source software might offer equal or better security, not because of openness of code, but due to potential to fix issues early on through contributions. What's your opinion on that?
* Until a few years ago, using NVDA in professional setting was only a dream, but we're getting to a point where more organizations are choosing to use NVDA, and there are international examples out there. Do you have any comments on that?
* So Window-Eyes was chosen due to "perceived improved security due to close-source nature of the program". What is more secure in 2017: unsupported program that people cannot offer quality security fixes on a timely manner, or an open-source product that does have community backing, including looking out for security problems?
In case this person asks who and why these questions are asked, please tell him that a reputable NVDA developer asks these questions, and this developer is asking tough questions to get this person to think critically. If he asks, "why should I care or think critically", please tell him that thinking critically allows one to make better choices in the end, including policy decisions (yes, that's my debator side coming out). In the end, it would be much better (strategically) if you frame these questions as though you are asking them, because it also allows you to think carefully about what you are dealing with.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hello. Let me check with him next month, and I'll get back to you on this subject.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Sky,
Before we debate the security of NVDA, I think we need to get the case of the library representative clarified. Firstly, what are the bases of this assertion that NVDA is less secure? Secondly, assuming that the claimant has the requisite technical knowhow, has he perused NVDA's source code to substantiate this claim? Thirdly, are there any specific security vulnerabilities or exploits present in NVDA that he can point us to?
Unless the library representative can provide cogent responses to the above questions, or strengthen his claim by concrete evidence, I would dismiss such a comment as a misinformed and groundless one which holds no water.
Thanks.

On 11/9/17, Sky Mundell <skyt@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public
library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the
screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low
vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the
group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better
for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access
staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to
address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the
Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as
we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an
option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open
Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to
lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get
somebody from FS to train them on it. Any suggestions you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.




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Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Sky


It is Gene from New Zealand. I noted that you said about NVDA and the teckie guy and what he said.


About 10 years ago a basic version of NVDA went into our library system here. it was rolled out to the rest of the country later on that year. Every year they have updated NVDA to the latest version of NVDA


You could not do this with a commercial version of a screen reader. I also told them about windows eyes free offer and they were not even interested. the lady or guy that pit onto the network when we got a award she had a cus who was visually impaired.

 

It covers from the top of New Zealand to pretty much the bottom of New Zealand at about 150 locations and NVDA is on about 750 computers throughout the network. If they are worried they can always lock it down and also stop portable access as well.

In my town here we have computers and i can go up to any one and there is a copy of NVDA on it.


The following link will show there is NVDA on there computers at http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/accessibility


The next link shows the locations where NVDA can be accessed throughout New Zealand at http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/statistics

It looks as though the news article goes to another page now so will either find it or remove it the same with magnification.


I can also put the person in contact with them and who to talk to as well.


My website seems to be going up and down and am wondering weather to stay with them or get another or even a new domain name.


Actually i just googled the article so will link it up there. The article can be found at http://www2.nzherald.co.nz/stratford-press/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503390&objectid=10973253

It is the article that went into the local news paper way back then.

I would if you do show him show the links straight to those pages as I know on my page where it is it will not help if the site is going up and down.

if he is worried about security

as i said he can always lock it down but make sure he does not remove the shortcut to start it.

NVDA is also in 2 information centres here in Taranaki and also at a training provider here in town.

When you do look at the nvda user statistics for new zealand you will notice the update feature is turned off so will not show unless people have it on.


I will tidy up the page tomorrow that has the info on it so it is up to date.


Hope it helps.


gene nz


Gene nz

On 11/9/2017 6:39 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get somebody from FS to train them on it.  Any suggestions you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.





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Spellchecker Microsoft office word 2017

Jo Collingwood
 

Can anyone tell me how to make the wrongly spelt word in spellchecker be announced before moving to suggestions please? On office 10 NVDA read the word and sentence so you knew which word was highlighted in the dialogue box. I’ve tried read current line, say word , spell word but nothing reads so my student doesn’t know which word he is correcting at the time. The layout is different too as are the shortcuts for change and ignore


itunes and nvda

Daniel Wolak <danielwolak97@...>
 

Hi all,
A quick question regarding itunes and NVDA. Whilst most of itunes works
quite well, there's one snag I'm running into with it and nvda.
As far as accessing podcasts go, whenever I enter that part of the
program the only thing I can see is the "podcasts introduction" even
though I have subscriptions ETC that should show up. Anyone have any
tips on getting rid of this?
Thanks much,

Daniel


Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Mike and Jenna <schwaltze@...>
 

Hi,

I have to chime in here. My wife works for the government and they will not allow NVDA either. They said they do not allow anything on their systems ware you can get the code for it online because it forms a security risk for their systems. I love NVDA but can see due to the response form her IT department a hard line against letting NVDA into many government uses.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 1:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Sky,
I'm sure Quentin will weigh on this more, but when you meet this person next month, can you ask him the following questions:
* Please define "security".
* So it was claimed that closed source products are more secure. There are tons of examples where open-source software might offer equal or better security, not because of openness of code, but due to potential to fix issues early on through contributions. What's your opinion on that?
* Until a few years ago, using NVDA in professional setting was only a dream, but we're getting to a point where more organizations are choosing to use NVDA, and there are international examples out there. Do you have any comments on that?
* So Window-Eyes was chosen due to "perceived improved security due to close-source nature of the program". What is more secure in 2017: unsupported program that people cannot offer quality security fixes on a timely manner, or an open-source product that does have community backing, including looking out for security problems?
In case this person asks who and why these questions are asked, please tell him that a reputable NVDA developer asks these questions, and this developer is asking tough questions to get this person to think critically. If he asks, "why should I care or think critically", please tell him that thinking critically allows one to make better choices in the end, including policy decisions (yes, that's my debator side coming out). In the end, it would be much better (strategically) if you frame these questions as though you are asking them, because it also allows you to think carefully about what you are dealing with.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hello. Let me check with him next month, and I'll get back to you on this subject.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Sky,
Before we debate the security of NVDA, I think we need to get the case of the library representative clarified. Firstly, what are the bases of this assertion that NVDA is less secure? Secondly, assuming that the claimant has the requisite technical knowhow, has he perused NVDA's source code to substantiate this claim? Thirdly, are there any specific security vulnerabilities or exploits present in NVDA that he can point us to?
Unless the library representative can provide cogent responses to the above questions, or strengthen his claim by concrete evidence, I would dismiss such a comment as a misinformed and groundless one which holds no water.
Thanks.

On 11/9/17, Sky Mundell <skyt@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public
library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the
screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low
vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the
group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better
for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access
staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to
address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the
Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as
we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an
option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open
Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to
lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get
somebody from FS to train them on it. Any suggestions you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.





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Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Sky Mundell
 

Hello Joseph. I totally agree with you about Open Source products being community driven. You are definitely right about Open Sorce and I totally agree with you. I have come across organisations and things for NVDA for sure. When I heard him speak, I was going to ask those questions myself but we were on a schedule because we had other things to cover in the meeting. But I will ask him them next moth for sure!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Sky,
I'm sure Quentin will weigh on this more, but when you meet this person next month, can you ask him the following questions:
* Please define "security".
* So it was claimed that closed source products are more secure. There are tons of examples where open-source software might offer equal or better security, not because of openness of code, but due to potential to fix issues early on through contributions. What's your opinion on that?
* Until a few years ago, using NVDA in professional setting was only a dream, but we're getting to a point where more organizations are choosing to use NVDA, and there are international examples out there. Do you have any comments on that?
* So Window-Eyes was chosen due to "perceived improved security due to close-source nature of the program". What is more secure in 2017: unsupported program that people cannot offer quality security fixes on a timely manner, or an open-source product that does have community backing, including looking out for security problems?
In case this person asks who and why these questions are asked, please tell him that a reputable NVDA developer asks these questions, and this developer is asking tough questions to get this person to think critically. If he asks, "why should I care or think critically", please tell him that thinking critically allows one to make better choices in the end, including policy decisions (yes, that's my debator side coming out). In the end, it would be much better (strategically) if you frame these questions as though you are asking them, because it also allows you to think carefully about what you are dealing with.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hello. Let me check with him next month, and I'll get back to you on this subject.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Sky,
Before we debate the security of NVDA, I think we need to get the case of the library representative clarified. Firstly, what are the bases of this assertion that NVDA is less secure? Secondly, assuming that the claimant has the requisite technical knowhow, has he perused NVDA's source code to substantiate this claim? Thirdly, are there any specific security vulnerabilities or exploits present in NVDA that he can point us to?
Unless the library representative can provide cogent responses to the above questions, or strengthen his claim by concrete evidence, I would dismiss such a comment as a misinformed and groundless one which holds no water.
Thanks.

On 11/9/17, Sky Mundell <skyt@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public
library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the
screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low
vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the
group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better
for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access
staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to
address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the
Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as
we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an
option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open
Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to
lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get
somebody from FS to train them on it. Any suggestions you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.





--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Contacting Me
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125 Mobile Number: +91 7506221750