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Re: Access32 addon
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
So where is it hosted exactly? I don't know much about Window Eyees. I do know that for example there used to be an add on for nvda for SAM from Dolphin that allowed dolphin synths to be used, and as sam is freeware then this was fine as you had to buy their products to get the voices then they did not really lose out.
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However one issue we are probably going to see about add ons is that the next versions of NVDA are going to require add on changes to work correctly and some of the original authors have moved on so who will update them? Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 2:22 PM Subject: [nvda] Access32 addon So early on in my switch to NVDA from Window Eyes I asked about the availability of a Syn for NVDA similar to the Access 32 speech syn I was using with Window Eyes. Someone sent me a link to the Access 32 addon for NVDA. I am somewhat confused now as to whether this is a legal addon for NVDA. It appears that it was somehow derived from the Access 32 syn from GW Micro. Anyone got any history on the Access 32 speech syn addon for NVDA?
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Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content
Gene
You can use a firefox add on like no script but
that may be more fooling around than you want to do and since it is a work
situation, I doubt you can put it on your machine, but you might want to
ask. Then, there is another possible proboem. I don't know if no
script is being updated in time to work without an interruption when the quantum
version of firefox comes out in about ninew days.
You can turn JAVA script off in the browser but
then you'd have to turn it on again when you aren't working with the
page.
Gene
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From: Adriani Botez
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic
content Best
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Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content
Gene
I meant document formatting. Sorry about the
error.
Gene
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From: Adriani Botez
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic
content Best
Adriani
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Re: a question about some buttons on websites.
Gene
Here is more information. It appears the site
allows use of both Flash and HTML5. I'd have to do more testing to find
out which is the default. But I got a Flash stream when I used
Firefox. Because I tested with XP, where browser versions aren't current,
such as the ESR Firefox version, I'm not sure what stream others might get, but
the button appears to work properly. I stayed in browse mode in Firefox
and I used the space bar. You may have a problem where, for some reason,
whatever format is being used with your browser on the site isn't being played
by your system. Using a different browser may result in a different format
being played or perhaps the other browser will play the format that isn't being
played now.
Gene
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a question about some buttons on
websites. What browser are you using and are you using a
current or reasonably current version? This is an HTML5 stream.
Because you discussed your guess that the button
wasn't working or that something else had to be worked with, I didn't try
activating the button in the most common way. I moved to the button,
turned browse mode off, then I pressed enter on the button. The video
played. I used Chrome for the test. Did you test with more than one
browser? You should always test with at least two browsers when trouble
shooting a problem where a web site doesn't do something or do it
properly.
Gene
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Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:13 AM
Subject: [nvda] a question about some buttons on
websites. Hi friends. Ken here. I have recently found a new cartoons website and I’d love to watch them. There is a problem and I’m pretty sure it’s asn NVDA issue. On videos instead of it playing automaticly there is a start playback button. I hit it with enter, space bar and even move the mouse to focuse on it and nothing happens. I have noticed the same thing on submittion buttons on CD baby and a few other sites. It is as if there is something inside the button that NVDA can’t quite see. Can anyone on list take a look at www.b99.tv, search for the flintstones and pick any or the 169 search results and find out what is inside that button that NVDA can’t seem to focuse on and activate it. It identifies it as a button and as a playback button but can’t activate it.
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Re: Firefox 57 from an NVDA user's perspective - Marco's Accessibility Blog
Stephen
Maybe it only works properly first time when you start with a brand new profile, I don't know, I am only guessing.
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At 04:34 AM 11/9/2017, you wrote:
So how come whe I downloaded it and installed it it just said unknown. the checkboxes had not been touched at all?
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Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content
Adriani Botez
I have also looked at advanced browser settings. It should not update content automatically. But though it does. I need java script for several actions on other pages. Is it possible to turn java off just for a particular webpage of a website? It is surprising that jaws does not have this problem.
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Access32 addon
Don H
So early on in my switch to NVDA from Window Eyes I asked about the availability of a Syn for NVDA similar to the Access 32 speech syn I was using with Window Eyes. Someone sent me a link to the Access 32 addon for NVDA. I am somewhat confused now as to whether this is a legal addon for NVDA. It appears that it was somehow derived from the Access 32 syn from GW Micro. Anyone got any history on the Access 32 speech syn addon for NVDA?
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Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content
Adriani Botez
Thank you alot for all suggestions. Unfortunately the problem still continues to exist. It is driving me crazy to hear this all the time. I will have to create an issue. Hopefully it gets solved soon.
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Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content
Adriani Botez
I don‘t find such a setting in presentation dialog. In document formating dialog landmarks and frames are unchecked.
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Re: a question about some buttons on websites.
Gene
What browser are you using and are you using a
current or reasonably current version? This is an HTML5 stream.
Because you discussed your guess that the button
wasn't working or that something else had to be worked with, I didn't try
activating the button in the most common way. I moved to the button,
turned browse mode off, then I pressed enter on the button. The video
played. I used Chrome for the test. Did you test with more than one
browser? You should always test with at least two browsers when trouble
shooting a problem where a web site doesn't do something or do it
properly.
Gene
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Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:13 AM
Subject: [nvda] a question about some buttons on
websites. Hi friends. Ken here. I have recently found a new cartoons website and I’d love to watch them. There is a problem and I’m pretty sure it’s asn NVDA issue. On videos instead of it playing automaticly there is a start playback button. I hit it with enter, space bar and even move the mouse to focuse on it and nothing happens. I have noticed the same thing on submittion buttons on CD baby and a few other sites. It is as if there is something inside the button that NVDA can’t quite see. Can anyone on list take a look at www.b99.tv, search for the flintstones and pick any or the 169 search results and find out what is inside that button that NVDA can’t seem to focuse on and activate it. It identifies it as a button and as a playback button but can’t activate it.
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Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content
Gene
Have you looked in advanced settings in options for
the check box that says Warn me when websites try to redirect or reload the
page? You probably have and it may have no bearing on this problem.
If you turn off JAVA script support, you will be able to look at the page
without part of it updating but you may not be able to do what you want on the
page. But if you want to see what is there just to see what you haven't
seen on that part of the page, that's an option. Or you could select all,
copy it to the clipboard and look at it in a word processor or Notepad.
But again, this is to look at the content of the page and I don't know if there
is any way to interact with any part of the page when using a word
processor. I discussed the landmarks setting in another message but I have
no idea if that will help and I suspect you've already tried it.
Gene
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From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic
content This may be a problem with announcing landmarks or
a related setting. Look for the report landmarks setting in the document
presentation dialog and try unchecking it. I don't know if that will help
but you might as well try changing it.
Gene
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From: Adriani Botez
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic
content the Problem is, the page does not refresh itself. It's just the Region
where time zones stay up to date. But NVDA speaks every update. Even if I Change
the Windows or even when I am typing this E-Mail. How to stop it?
Please have a look at the debug which I have posted here.
Best
Adriani 2017-11-09 13:39 GMT+01:00 Gene <gsasner@...>:
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Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content
Mallard <mallard@...>
Gene,
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I use a braille display, most of the time with voice turned off. What I see is constant change under my fingers, which doesn't give me time to click on links or buttons. It isn't the whole page, but just areas on some pages, like carousels, and stuff like that. I haven't found any settings in Firefox that allow me to stop that. Any suggestions, please? Again, Jaws did that years ago (I stopped using it in 2008!), so I suppose it can be done. Ciao, Ollie
Il 09/11/2017 13:27, Gene ha scritto:
If you have the setting on, as it is by default, it causes NVDA to read changes on the screen as they occur, such as if part of a screen updates with a stock market report. This may be an incomplete explanation because if updating is done with ARIA, I don't know if the dynamic content affects reading. The setting might also stop DOS windows from being read as well. There is no reason to turn it off.
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Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content
Mallard <mallard@...>
Adriani,
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That's exactly the issue. NVDA doesn't have a way to stop refresh of some dynamic areas, which is superannoying, because it doesn't give you time to read or act on the given area. This has been going on forever, and apparently no solution is in view. Or is it? Ciao, Ollie
Il 09/11/2017 14:01, Adriani Botez ha scritto:
the Problem is, the page does not refresh itself. It's just the Region where time zones stay up to date. But NVDA speaks every update. Even if I Change the Windows or even when I am typing this E-Mail. How to stop it?
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a question about some buttons on websites.
ken lawrence
Hi friends. Ken here. I have recently found a new cartoons website and I’d love to watch them. There is a problem and I’m pretty sure it’s asn NVDA issue. On videos instead of it playing automaticly there is a start playback button. I hit it with enter, space bar and even move the mouse to focuse on it and nothing happens. I have noticed the same thing on submittion buttons on CD baby and a few other sites. It is as if there is something inside the button that NVDA can’t quite see. Can anyone on list take a look at www.b99.tv, search for the flintstones and pick any or the 169 search results and find out what is inside that button that NVDA can’t seem to focuse on and activate it. It identifies it as a button and as a playback button but can’t activate it.
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Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content
Gene
This may be a problem with announcing landmarks or
a related setting. Look for the report landmarks setting in the document
presentation dialog and try unchecking it. I don't know if that will help
but you might as well try changing it.
Gene
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From: Adriani Botez
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic
content the Problem is, the page does not refresh itself. It's just the Region
where time zones stay up to date. But NVDA speaks every update. Even if I Change
the Windows or even when I am typing this E-Mail. How to stop it?
Please have a look at the debug which I have posted here.
Best
Adriani 2017-11-09 13:39 GMT+01:00 Gene <gsasner@...>:
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Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content
Adriani Botez
the Problem is, the page does not refresh itself. It's just the Region where time zones stay up to date. But NVDA speaks every update. Even if I Change the Windows or even when I am typing this E-Mail. How to stop it? Please have a look at the debug which I have posted here. Best Adriani 2017-11-09 13:39 GMT+01:00 Gene <gsasner@...>:
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Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content
Gene
I'm not sure just What you have in mind.
Should NVDA give the user more control of what is
spoken? Can't this already be done by a combination of the dynamic content
setting and land mark settings in the browser? What do other
screen-readers do better?
If you are talking about situations where pages
refresh, JAWS, the only other screen-reader I'm familiar with in current
production where this behavior can be regulated, allows you to turn page
refreshes off but it can't stop all page refreshes. Firefox has a setting
that stops all refreshes and notifies the user when a page wants to refresh,
requiring manual permission.
This appears to me to be something the browser
should be able to be set to control.
We've seen discussion recently about an expanding
newer paradigm that screen-readers should receive accessibility
information from the browser as the main means of access. This would seem
to me to go along with the newer paradigm.
Gene
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From: Mallard
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic
content Hello, Disabling scripts doesn't always help, because it may cause other issues on certain sites. I honestly think NVDA should do something radical about solving the dynamic content issue, either within the screen reader itself, or through an add-on. If other screen readers can handle it, I'm sure NVDA can too. Sorry, I can't code... I'd love to help otherwise. Ciao, and thanks for all the great work the community is doing all the time. Ollie Il 09/11/2017 10:30, zahra ha scritto: > hello. > can you please tell me how to turn off or on dynamic content i nvda? > i did not find such setting! > i desable javascript, and any other script or active x, etc. > hope that help, God bless you all. > > On 11/9/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This includes >> a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very international >> Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content. >> Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world where we >> are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking. >> Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as well. >> Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug: >> >> >> DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27): >> >> Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML >> object at 0x0539B7D0> >> >> >> >> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32): >> >> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already deleted >> >> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33): >> >> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already deleted >> >> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33): >> >> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already deleted >> >> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33): >> >> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already deleted >> >> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33): >> >> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already deleted >> >> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33): >> >> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already deleted >> >> >> >> MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False >> >> MSHTML nodeName: u'A' >> >> >> >> Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up. >> >> >> Any suggestions how to fix it? >> >> >> >> Thank you in advance. >> >> >> >> Best >> >> Adriani >> >
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Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content
Mallard <mallard@...>
Thanks, I tried that now, but I have a feeling I'd disabled the check box in teh past, with no avail.
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I hope this helps... Ciao, Ollie
Il 09/11/2017 11:40, Adriani Botez ha scritto:
Go to nvda prefferences and then to object presentation.
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Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content
Gene
If you have the setting on, as it is by default, it
causes NVDA to read changes on the screen as they occur, such as if part of a
screen updates with a stock market report. This may be an incomplete
explanation because if updating is done with ARIA, I don't know if the dynamic
content affects reading. The setting might also stop DOS windows from
being read as well. There is no reason to turn it off.
Once you turn off scripts, web sites won't
uppdate. And if a program you use relies on dynamic content, you might
make some of the program inaccessible.
I don't have the technical knowledge to know if my
explanation is completely accurate or complete, but it more or less explains
what the setting does and why there is no advantage to turning it
off.
Gene
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From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic
content can you please tell me how to turn off or on dynamic content i nvda? i did not find such setting! i desable javascript, and any other script or active x, etc. hope that help, God bless you all. On 11/9/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote: > Dear all, > > we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This includes > a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very international > Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content. > Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world where we > are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking. > Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as well. > Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug: > > > DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27): > > Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML > object at 0x0539B7D0> > > > > DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32): > > COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already deleted > > DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33): > > COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already deleted > > DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33): > > COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already deleted > > DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33): > > COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already deleted > > DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33): > > COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already deleted > > DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33): > > COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already deleted > > > > MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False > > MSHTML nodeName: u'A' > > > > Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up. > > > Any suggestions how to fix it? > > > > Thank you in advance. > > > > Best > > Adriani > -- we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation. holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107. in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is: indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation. best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org
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Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions
Pascal Lambert
That is the sure way to go. I just helped, here in Knoxville Tennessee the American Job Center install NVDA on their resource center computer for use by blind and visually impaired patrons. Every public place ought to do the same. Blessings Pascal
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 3:16 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions
Hi Sky
It is Gene from New Zealand. I noted that you said about NVDA and the teckie guy and what he said.
About 10 years ago a basic version of NVDA went into our library system here. it was rolled out to the rest of the country later on that year. Every year they have updated NVDA to the latest version of NVDA
You could not do this with a commercial version of a screen reader. I also told them about windows eyes free offer and they were not even interested. the lady or guy that pit onto the network when we got a award she had a cus who was visually impaired.
It covers from the top of New Zealand to pretty much the bottom of New Zealand at about 150 locations and NVDA is on about 750 computers throughout the network. If they are worried they can always lock it down and also stop portable access as well. In my town here we have computers and i can go up to any one and there is a copy of NVDA on it.
The following link will show there is NVDA on there computers at http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/accessibility
The next link shows the locations where NVDA can be accessed throughout New Zealand at http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/statistics It looks as though the news article goes to another page now so will either find it or remove it the same with magnification.
I can also put the person in contact with them and who to talk to as well.
My website seems to be going up and down and am wondering weather to stay with them or get another or even a new domain name.
Actually i just googled the article so will link it up there. The article can be found at http://www2.nzherald.co.nz/stratford-press/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503390&objectid=10973253 It is the article that went into the local news paper way back then. I would if you do show him show the links straight to those pages as I know on my page where it is it will not help if the site is going up and down. if he is worried about security as i said he can always lock it down but make sure he does not remove the shortcut to start it. NVDA is also in 2 information centres here in Taranaki and also at a training provider here in town. When you do look at the nvda user statistics for new zealand you will notice the update feature is turned off so will not show unless people have it on.
I will tidy up the page tomorrow that has the info on it so it is up to date.
Hope it helps.
gene nz
Gene nz On 11/9/2017 6:39 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
-- Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
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