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Re: Beware latest CD Burner XP

 

i finally found the link.
download cd burner xp from this link to prevent extra softwares.


https://cdburnerxp.se/download?more-options
or you can quit your internet connection to prevent unwanted softwares.

On 11/11/17, Chris <chrismedley@btinternet.com> wrote:
Last update October 3rd 2017
If you call that years so be it :D

From: Rob Hudson
Sent: 11 November 2017 11:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Beware latest CD Burner XP

Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I wonder if unchecky would prevent the installation in this case. I don't
know how many people know about unchecky but it should be on peoples'
machines.
How long has it been since that program has been updated, though? I was
under the impression that it has been several years.




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Re: Urgently need help (NVDA & Vocalizer addon.

Rui Fontes
 

ello!

Can you send a NVDA log file to me, at:
rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com

Thanks!

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: prem.translator@gmail.com
Data: 11 de novembro de 2017 10:06
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Urgently need help (NVDA & Vocalizer addon.

For the product, I use Vocalizer Expressive from Tiflotecnia. The problem occur during internet connection.


Re: Strange trouble, need help with a couple of classic games

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Brian,


When I first got the laptop, it was upgraded to windows 10 from 7.  The
games went on it without a hitch. My thinking is that it was repaired in
the same manner. But I have since found out that you never can tell
because when it came back this time it was set for English UK, instead
of English U.S. and this may be the second quirk along the way to
getting this thing fully back up to speed. Let me get myself some coffee
and set it back up, and send you more info once I've got it mate.


Tony

On 11/11/2017 3:43 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Was the computer updated from a previous operating system at some time
after the games were on it, ie windows7?
It might well be that during updates paths have been preserved but
when a new install is done the path used by the installer is no longer
valid or able to be created. Is the new protected folder checkbox on
though I'd expect if it was then installation would fail.
As for resources. What have they done with the virtual memory setting?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Ballou"
<cyberpro224@outlook.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:30 PM
Subject: [nvda] Strange trouble, need help with a couple of classic games


Howdy gang,


How many classic gamers are in the house? Perhaps somebody can help me
with this one. Here's what's happening.


I'm happy that the classic games like ESP Pinball Ten Pin alley, and
Silver Dollar run on windows 10 with NVDA without a hitch. Just the
other day I got my laptop back from the shop It had to be brought back
to the land of the living from a complete operating system crash. So
far, everything's gravy except for 2 things. I've installed both Ten
Pin alley, and silver and get the following errors.


For ten pin alley I get error code 76 Path not found.


For silver dollar I get error 1450, there are not enough system
resources to execute the command. Don't know how that's possible, the
laptop was running both of these programs just fine before the system
crashed.


I'm running windows 10 64 bit version 1709, and the latest version of
NVDA. Any help would be appreciated.


Tony TonyTony







Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Hi Steve, I have not experienced any issues using word tables in pages. My Mac died before I could get into Microsoft Office 2016. Anyhow, thank you very much for making my point for me again. In fact, voice-over renders tables flawlessly and has excellent features for doing so. It handles tables in almost any format.  It has configurable row and column header verbosity. It performs extremely well in tables using Safari, Chrome, and Firefox. Again, I can't speak for Microsoft Office, but it performs extremely well in tables using I work sweet. In other words, even if we dissected this one feature, and say that voice over crashes when reading a table, we go back to the Paradigm and recognize that numerous third-party applications and formats that render tables work very well with voice over without crashing. Ergo, if a table is crashing, it is the fault of the person who designed the table, or the format in which the table is rendered. That person or persons needs to go back, and fix their table. Or update their format so that it works with the accessibility api's on the Mac. This is not a voice-over issue.

Voice over and here's fairly rigorously to both International standards, and its own accessibility api's. It's actual screen reader features do primarily what they were designed to do, perform up to standard, and offer a professional level of access.

Here is a better example. Voice-over has a feature called Place markers or some such, which allows someone to configure hot spots on the screen, navigate to them, and read what is in those hot spots with a moving. This is an extremely useful screen reader feature. Many screen readers have a similar feature on Windows. Unfortunately, this feature was broken in an upgrade, and remained inoperable for an entire operating system version. In the course of the next operating system release, about 18 months, the issue that broke Place markers was eventually fixed. Of course, we do not think this is an acceptable turnaround time for fixing such a useful feature that had become relied upon by many screen reader users. Still, we have waited longer for Less productivity in other feature areas.

How long has Adobe waffled on accessibility support? Modern Adobe software for IOS and Android has been available for 5 years at least, and still is not accessible. They released some Bare Bones support last year. Hooray for a while, and where are they now? Gone again. Adobe still wants to do accessibility the way they did it 20 years ago, but nobody does that anymore.

I say again, and we'll keep saying, the tools, standards, laws, and api's, are all in place for developers to make their software accessible. In the new paradigm, it is the developer's responsibility to use the tool standards laws and everything else to make their programs accessible. It is not the responsibility of a screen reader manufacturer to make programs accessible. It is the responsibility of a screen reader manufacturer to develop tools that present information effectively using the api's and standard so that a person can read the screen. Nvda as a screen reader works extremely well as a screen reader, and has professional screen reader features and functions. If Microsoft's user-interface automation accessibility tool is broken, then it is Microsoft responsibility to fix that tool. Microsoft Outlook doesn't interface properly with user interface automation, then it is Microsoft's responsibility to fix that accessibility issue. If the same thing happens to file browsing on lower-end systems, it is Microsoft's responsibility to make sure that the primary system tools being used in windows are accessible and perform effectively when accessibility services are enabled. It is not the responsibility of a screen reader manufacturer to fix stability and performance issues in every software package released and accepted by the blind Community, particularly those that come directly built into the operating system.

As a recognized access technology specialist in your own right, I strongly suggest you go back to the drawing board, reevaluate the old and new paradigms, and completely reassess your expectations of what a screen reader is and does, and what the responsibilities of various developers are. In the new paradigm, we have very few tools such as scripts, addons, and other Specialty Products that help us both accessibility on two things where accessibility is lacking. We expect developers and manufacturers to accept responsibility for the accessibility of their products, just as they would for the security, stability, performance, and feature sets. We no longer look to a screen reader or a screen reader manufacturer to solve all the problems of the world. We hold people accountable for their own designs and their own products. The laws, standards, and tools, allow us to do this. We do not want a return to the days when everything had to be scripted, but we still have a long way to go to get to a point where accessibility is the norm. It will take determination, persistence, and a unified front, to build on the groundwork that has already been laid.

Best,

Erik

On November 11, 2017 10:22:02 AM "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

In other operating systems screen readers just work?  Where did you get that from.  Voiceover crashes just by opening a Word table, so don’t get me started on that one.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: 10 November 2017 19:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

 

Well and good, except that they never fix anything in days... ever.  The turnaround time is months, sometimes years.  Paying a lot of money is no guarantee what-so-ever of results.

In this case, both screen readers have the similar issue as I understand it.  FS was able to bolt something on to make it work.  NVDA hasn't taken steps yet.  But if the stability issue were corrected in the program itself, in this case outlook, then there would be no need for individual screen readers to bolt on solutions, and that's the issue I have with the whole mess.

In every other computer platform known to man, screen readers simply work and developers conform, or they don't.  In windows, we still think it's OK, even best case, to pay huge money, and double or tripple or quadroople up on work to get things done instead of making developers do the right thing.  We call this increased independence, but I call it quantity over quality.

Best,

Erik

On November 10, 2017 12:31:53 PM "Tyler Wood" <tcwood12@...> wrote:

You wrote:

At least with nvda, you have recourse to address issues if you want to. You can create and promote a support ticket, donate to support development, pay a developer of your choosing to examine your issue and make improvements, p or perform the work yourself if you have the skills and submit it to the community. Unfortunate as it may be to have something not work the way you want it right now, you would have none of this recourse available to you if the similar thing were happening in the paid commercial product.

 

That’s because the commercial product would fix it in double time and is why it would make itself worth that insane price.

In the workplace, if my screen reader crashed for mission critical things and, to be honest, simple things like outlook, with new versions of NVDA only being released every 90 days if even that, is that something I can live with? Whereas jaws may have it fixed in a number of days because they have the financial resources. something to think about.

 

Just my thoughts.

 

 

 

From: erik burggraaf
Sent: November 10, 2017 11:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

 

On the other hand, nvda was the first to support Microsoft Edge. Nvda has introduced substantial new features and support for modern programs before Jaws or other screen readers in the market. It's unfortunate that outlook support isn't where it needs to be yet, but I don't think that's indicative that the product is not ready for professional use.

This gets back to that terrible situation of people advocating for use of multiple screen readers.  It's an astonishingly terrible practice, but how can you blame people if they have the resources?  The fact that multiple screen readers are better at different things, is a sign of poor design, and fragmentation of the accessibility process.  In the new paradigm, developers should be forced to adhere to accessibility standards, so that screen readers who that conform to accessibility standards have everything they need to interface with programs and systems excessively. The fact that things are still so fragmented is bad for us in the long run.

At least with nvda, you have recourse to address issues if you want to. You can create and promote a support ticket, donate to support development, pay a developer of your choosing to examine your issue and make improvements, p or perform the work yourself if you have the skills and submit it to the community. Unfortunate as it may be to have something not work the way you want it right now, you would have none of this recourse available to you if the similar thing were happening in the paid commercial product.

On November 10, 2017 10:47:51 AM "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> wrote:

Hi Tyler,

 

You hit another nail there, usability.  Currently, NVDA crashes all over the place in outlook 2016, I can’t even use it.

 

If I had to rely on it for my daily bread, the fix is a long time coming.  Whereas, in JAWS 2018, they have fixed it already.

 

So to some extent, you do get what you pay for.  The fixing of MS Outlook is obviously not a high enough priority with NVDA to push out a quick update.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: 09 November 2017 08:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

 

Hi,

My workplace provided me with jaws.

Open source is nice, things get fixed, yes, but companies, especially government companies, want things that simply work and are well known and reliable. Also probably have an ongoing license with jaws, so why not use it?

Me personally, if I had a job requiring jaws, $125 every 2 years is hardly a drop in the bucket especially considering if the company pays for the license itself. Also for me, NVDA wasn’t usable in most of the cataloguing programs I worked in whereas jaws was. This was a few years back now, though, so things might change.

 

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: November 9, 2017 2:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

 

Sadly this is the curse as much as it is a blessing with opensource.

 

Look at blind extra, there is probably nothing to stop people modifying

nvda with a virus and releasing it as something else and tricking users.

 

I know we have a good security review of addons, but  what are ways we

can protect nvda if any from this.

 

Governments and such probably have a contract with vfo and need jaws

jaws or nothing.

 

I couldn't load anything bar jaws at university.

 

They simply wouldn't accept anything bar jaws.

 

On the other hand, if your work wants you to use jaws they should foot

the bill for it, and all upgrades, and smas, and if you suddenly have an

system upgrade and need to buy the same functionality again, then let

them pay the 600000 or so bucks for the privilage.

 

Not the users issue.

 

If they want to use a company with bad support, you just say I am not

paying for it, you pay or I just won't bother.

 

Users can not afford a lot of the access tech because governments and

organisations are paying for licences.

 

Dolphin stuff is affordable to some extent the rest naaah.

 

 

 

 

On 9/11/2017 7:52 p.m., Mike and Jenna wrote:

> Hi,

> I have to chime in here. My wife works for the government and they will not allow NVDA either. They said they do not allow anything on their systems ware you can get the code for it online because it forms a security risk for their systems. I love NVDA but can see due to the response form her IT department a hard line against letting NVDA into many government uses.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee

> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 1:15 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

> Hi Sky,

> I'm sure Quentin will weigh on this more, but when you meet this person next month, can you ask him the following questions:

> * Please define "security".

> * So it was claimed that closed source products are more secure. There are tons of examples where open-source software might offer equal or better security, not because of openness of code, but due to potential to fix issues early on through contributions. What's your opinion on that?

> * Until a few years ago, using NVDA in professional setting was only a dream, but we're getting to a point where more organizations are choosing to use NVDA, and there are international examples out there. Do you have any comments on that?

> * So Window-Eyes was chosen due to "perceived improved security due to close-source nature of the program". What is more secure in 2017: unsupported program that people cannot offer quality security fixes on a timely manner, or an open-source product that does have community backing, including looking out for security problems?

> In case this person asks who and why these questions are asked, please tell him that a reputable NVDA developer asks these questions, and this developer is asking tough questions to get this person to think critically. If he asks, "why should I care or think critically", please tell him that thinking critically allows one to make better choices in the end, including policy decisions (yes, that's my debator side coming out). In the end, it would be much better (strategically) if you frame these questions as though you are asking them, because it also allows you to think carefully about what you are dealing with.

> Cheers,

> Joseph

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell

> Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:04 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

> Hello. Let me check with him next month, and I'll get back to you on this subject.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah

> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:02 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

> Hi Sky,

> Before we debate the security of NVDA, I think we need to get the case of the library representative clarified. Firstly, what are the bases of this assertion that NVDA is less secure? Secondly, assuming that the claimant has the requisite technical knowhow, has he perused NVDA's source code to substantiate this claim? Thirdly, are there any specific security vulnerabilities or exploits present in NVDA that he can point us to?

> Unless the library representative can provide cogent responses to the above questions, or strengthen his claim by concrete evidence, I would dismiss such a comment as a misinformed and groundless one which holds no water.

> Thanks.

> On 11/9/17, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

>> Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public

>> library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the

>> screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low

>> vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the

>> group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better

>> for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access

>> staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to

>> address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the

>> Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as

>> we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an

>> option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open

>> Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to

>> lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get

>> somebody from FS to train them on it.  Any suggestions you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

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Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

No, but I think Tyler’s point was that JAWS runs less sluggishly on low end processors.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 11 November 2017 04:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

 

On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 05:57 pm, Tyler Wood wrote:

I’m talking intel atom, ulv celleron, Pentium.

I would not expect screen readers to be particularly "sprightly" on any of these processors if what they're running on top of is in any way processing intensive.
 
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Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Devin Prater
 

For me, Voiceover works fine with Word 2016 tables. Anyways, they do, surprisingly, get more stuff from OS API’s rather than hooking into video or using off-screen models. Voiceover can even tell when an app opens in the background; no screen reader on Windows can do that.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services for the Blind



On Nov 11, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

Hi,
 
In other operating systems screen readers just work?  Where did you get that from.  Voiceover crashes just by opening a Word table, so don’t get me started on that one.
 
All the best
 
Steve
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: 10 November 2017 19:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions
 

Well and good, except that they never fix anything in days... ever.  The turnaround time is months, sometimes years.  Paying a lot of money is no guarantee what-so-ever of results.

In this case, both screen readers have the similar issue as I understand it.  FS was able to bolt something on to make it work.  NVDA hasn't taken steps yet.  But if the stability issue were corrected in the program itself, in this case outlook, then there would be no need for individual screen readers to bolt on solutions, and that's the issue I have with the whole mess.

In every other computer platform known to man, screen readers simply work and developers conform, or they don't.  In windows, we still think it's OK, even best case, to pay huge money, and double or tripple or quadroople up on work to get things done instead of making developers do the right thing.  We call this increased independence, but I call it quantity over quality.

Best,

Erik

On November 10, 2017 12:31:53 PM "Tyler Wood" <tcwood12@...> wrote:

You wrote:
At least with nvda, you have recourse to address issues if you want to. You can create and promote a support ticket, donate to support development, pay a developer of your choosing to examine your issue and make improvements, p or perform the work yourself if you have the skills and submit it to the community. Unfortunate as it may be to have something not work the way you want it right now, you would have none of this recourse available to you if the similar thing were happening in the paid commercial product.
 
That’s because the commercial product would fix it in double time and is why it would make itself worth that insane price.
In the workplace, if my screen reader crashed for mission critical things and, to be honest, simple things like outlook, with new versions of NVDA only being released every 90 days if even that, is that something I can live with? Whereas jaws may have it fixed in a number of days because they have the financial resources. something to think about.
 
Just my thoughts.
 
 
 
From: erik burggraaf
Sent: November 10, 2017 11:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions
 

On the other hand, nvda was the first to support Microsoft Edge. Nvda has introduced substantial new features and support for modern programs before Jaws or other screen readers in the market. It's unfortunate that outlook support isn't where it needs to be yet, but I don't think that's indicative that the product is not ready for professional use.

This gets back to that terrible situation of people advocating for use of multiple screen readers.  It's an astonishingly terrible practice, but how can you blame people if they have the resources?  The fact that multiple screen readers are better at different things, is a sign of poor design, and fragmentation of the accessibility process.  In the new paradigm, developers should be forced to adhere to accessibility standards, so that screen readers who that conform to accessibility standards have everything they need to interface with programs and systems excessively. The fact that things are still so fragmented is bad for us in the long run.

At least with nvda, you have recourse to address issues if you want to. You can create and promote a support ticket, donate to support development, pay a developer of your choosing to examine your issue and make improvements, p or perform the work yourself if you have the skills and submit it to the community. Unfortunate as it may be to have something not work the way you want it right now, you would have none of this recourse available to you if the similar thing were happening in the paid commercial product.

On November 10, 2017 10:47:51 AM "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> wrote:

Hi Tyler,
 
You hit another nail there, usability.  Currently, NVDA crashes all over the place in outlook 2016, I can’t even use it.
 
If I had to rely on it for my daily bread, the fix is a long time coming.  Whereas, in JAWS 2018, they have fixed it already.
 
So to some extent, you do get what you pay for.  The fixing of MS Outlook is obviously not a high enough priority with NVDA to push out a quick update.
 
All the best
 
Steve
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: 09 November 2017 08:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions
 
Hi,
My workplace provided me with jaws.
Open source is nice, things get fixed, yes, but companies, especially government companies, want things that simply work and are well known and reliable. Also probably have an ongoing license with jaws, so why not use it?
Me personally, if I had a job requiring jaws, $125 every 2 years is hardly a drop in the bucket especially considering if the company pays for the license itself. Also for me, NVDA wasn’t usable in most of the cataloguing programs I worked in whereas jaws was. This was a few years back now, though, so things might change.
 
 
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: November 9, 2017 2:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions
 
Sadly this is the curse as much as it is a blessing with opensource.
 
Look at blind extra, there is probably nothing to stop people modifying 
nvda with a virus and releasing it as something else and tricking users.
 
I know we have a good security review of addons, but  what are ways we 
can protect nvda if any from this.
 
Governments and such probably have a contract with vfo and need jaws 
jaws or nothing.
 
I couldn't load anything bar jaws at university.
 
They simply wouldn't accept anything bar jaws.
 
On the other hand, if your work wants you to use jaws they should foot 
the bill for it, and all upgrades, and smas, and if you suddenly have an 
system upgrade and need to buy the same functionality again, then let 
them pay the 600000 or so bucks for the privilage.
 
Not the users issue.
 
If they want to use a company with bad support, you just say I am not 
paying for it, you pay or I just won't bother.
 
Users can not afford a lot of the access tech because governments and 
organisations are paying for licences.
 
Dolphin stuff is affordable to some extent the rest naaah.
 
 
 
 
On 9/11/2017 7:52 p.m., Mike and Jenna wrote:
> Hi,
> I have to chime in here. My wife works for the government and they will not allow NVDA either. They said they do not allow anything on their systems ware you can get the code for it online because it forms a security risk for their systems. I love NVDA but can see due to the response form her IT department a hard line against letting NVDA into many government uses.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 1:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions
> Hi Sky,
> I'm sure Quentin will weigh on this more, but when you meet this person next month, can you ask him the following questions:
> * Please define "security".
> * So it was claimed that closed source products are more secure. There are tons of examples where open-source software might offer equal or better security, not because of openness of code, but due to potential to fix issues early on through contributions. What's your opinion on that?
> * Until a few years ago, using NVDA in professional setting was only a dream, but we're getting to a point where more organizations are choosing to use NVDA, and there are international examples out there. Do you have any comments on that?
> * So Window-Eyes was chosen due to "perceived improved security due to close-source nature of the program". What is more secure in 2017: unsupported program that people cannot offer quality security fixes on a timely manner, or an open-source product that does have community backing, including looking out for security problems?
> In case this person asks who and why these questions are asked, please tell him that a reputable NVDA developer asks these questions, and this developer is asking tough questions to get this person to think critically. If he asks, "why should I care or think critically", please tell him that thinking critically allows one to make better choices in the end, including policy decisions (yes, that's my debator side coming out). In the end, it would be much better (strategically) if you frame these questions as though you are asking them, because it also allows you to think carefully about what you are dealing with.
> Cheers,
> Joseph
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
> Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions
> Hello. Let me check with him next month, and I'll get back to you on this subject.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions
> Hi Sky,
> Before we debate the security of NVDA, I think we need to get the case of the library representative clarified. Firstly, what are the bases of this assertion that NVDA is less secure? Secondly, assuming that the claimant has the requisite technical knowhow, has he perused NVDA's source code to substantiate this claim? Thirdly, are there any specific security vulnerabilities or exploits present in NVDA that he can point us to?
> Unless the library representative can provide cogent responses to the above questions, or strengthen his claim by concrete evidence, I would dismiss such a comment as a misinformed and groundless one which holds no water.
> Thanks.
> On 11/9/17, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:
>> Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public
>> library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the
>> screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low
>> vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the
>> group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better
>> for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access
>> staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to
>> address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the
>> Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as
>> we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an
>> option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open
>> Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to
>> lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get
>> somebody from FS to train them on it.  Any suggestions you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> --
> Best Regards
> Bhavya Shah
> Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
> Contacting Me
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> 
 
 
 
 
 



Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

In other operating systems screen readers just work?  Where did you get that from.  Voiceover crashes just by opening a Word table, so don’t get me started on that one.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: 10 November 2017 19:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

 

Well and good, except that they never fix anything in days... ever.  The turnaround time is months, sometimes years.  Paying a lot of money is no guarantee what-so-ever of results.

In this case, both screen readers have the similar issue as I understand it.  FS was able to bolt something on to make it work.  NVDA hasn't taken steps yet.  But if the stability issue were corrected in the program itself, in this case outlook, then there would be no need for individual screen readers to bolt on solutions, and that's the issue I have with the whole mess.

In every other computer platform known to man, screen readers simply work and developers conform, or they don't.  In windows, we still think it's OK, even best case, to pay huge money, and double or tripple or quadroople up on work to get things done instead of making developers do the right thing.  We call this increased independence, but I call it quantity over quality.

Best,

Erik

On November 10, 2017 12:31:53 PM "Tyler Wood" <tcwood12@...> wrote:

You wrote:

At least with nvda, you have recourse to address issues if you want to. You can create and promote a support ticket, donate to support development, pay a developer of your choosing to examine your issue and make improvements, p or perform the work yourself if you have the skills and submit it to the community. Unfortunate as it may be to have something not work the way you want it right now, you would have none of this recourse available to you if the similar thing were happening in the paid commercial product.

 

That’s because the commercial product would fix it in double time and is why it would make itself worth that insane price.

In the workplace, if my screen reader crashed for mission critical things and, to be honest, simple things like outlook, with new versions of NVDA only being released every 90 days if even that, is that something I can live with? Whereas jaws may have it fixed in a number of days because they have the financial resources. something to think about.

 

Just my thoughts.

 

 

 

From: erik burggraaf
Sent: November 10, 2017 11:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

 

On the other hand, nvda was the first to support Microsoft Edge. Nvda has introduced substantial new features and support for modern programs before Jaws or other screen readers in the market. It's unfortunate that outlook support isn't where it needs to be yet, but I don't think that's indicative that the product is not ready for professional use.

This gets back to that terrible situation of people advocating for use of multiple screen readers.  It's an astonishingly terrible practice, but how can you blame people if they have the resources?  The fact that multiple screen readers are better at different things, is a sign of poor design, and fragmentation of the accessibility process.  In the new paradigm, developers should be forced to adhere to accessibility standards, so that screen readers who that conform to accessibility standards have everything they need to interface with programs and systems excessively. The fact that things are still so fragmented is bad for us in the long run.

At least with nvda, you have recourse to address issues if you want to. You can create and promote a support ticket, donate to support development, pay a developer of your choosing to examine your issue and make improvements, p or perform the work yourself if you have the skills and submit it to the community. Unfortunate as it may be to have something not work the way you want it right now, you would have none of this recourse available to you if the similar thing were happening in the paid commercial product.

On November 10, 2017 10:47:51 AM "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> wrote:

Hi Tyler,

 

You hit another nail there, usability.  Currently, NVDA crashes all over the place in outlook 2016, I can’t even use it.

 

If I had to rely on it for my daily bread, the fix is a long time coming.  Whereas, in JAWS 2018, they have fixed it already.

 

So to some extent, you do get what you pay for.  The fixing of MS Outlook is obviously not a high enough priority with NVDA to push out a quick update.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: 09 November 2017 08:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

 

Hi,

My workplace provided me with jaws.

Open source is nice, things get fixed, yes, but companies, especially government companies, want things that simply work and are well known and reliable. Also probably have an ongoing license with jaws, so why not use it?

Me personally, if I had a job requiring jaws, $125 every 2 years is hardly a drop in the bucket especially considering if the company pays for the license itself. Also for me, NVDA wasn’t usable in most of the cataloguing programs I worked in whereas jaws was. This was a few years back now, though, so things might change.

 

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: November 9, 2017 2:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

 

Sadly this is the curse as much as it is a blessing with opensource.

 

Look at blind extra, there is probably nothing to stop people modifying

nvda with a virus and releasing it as something else and tricking users.

 

I know we have a good security review of addons, but  what are ways we

can protect nvda if any from this.

 

Governments and such probably have a contract with vfo and need jaws

jaws or nothing.

 

I couldn't load anything bar jaws at university.

 

They simply wouldn't accept anything bar jaws.

 

On the other hand, if your work wants you to use jaws they should foot

the bill for it, and all upgrades, and smas, and if you suddenly have an

system upgrade and need to buy the same functionality again, then let

them pay the 600000 or so bucks for the privilage.

 

Not the users issue.

 

If they want to use a company with bad support, you just say I am not

paying for it, you pay or I just won't bother.

 

Users can not afford a lot of the access tech because governments and

organisations are paying for licences.

 

Dolphin stuff is affordable to some extent the rest naaah.

 

 

 

 

On 9/11/2017 7:52 p.m., Mike and Jenna wrote:

> Hi,

> I have to chime in here. My wife works for the government and they will not allow NVDA either. They said they do not allow anything on their systems ware you can get the code for it online because it forms a security risk for their systems. I love NVDA but can see due to the response form her IT department a hard line against letting NVDA into many government uses.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee

> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 1:15 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

> Hi Sky,

> I'm sure Quentin will weigh on this more, but when you meet this person next month, can you ask him the following questions:

> * Please define "security".

> * So it was claimed that closed source products are more secure. There are tons of examples where open-source software might offer equal or better security, not because of openness of code, but due to potential to fix issues early on through contributions. What's your opinion on that?

> * Until a few years ago, using NVDA in professional setting was only a dream, but we're getting to a point where more organizations are choosing to use NVDA, and there are international examples out there. Do you have any comments on that?

> * So Window-Eyes was chosen due to "perceived improved security due to close-source nature of the program". What is more secure in 2017: unsupported program that people cannot offer quality security fixes on a timely manner, or an open-source product that does have community backing, including looking out for security problems?

> In case this person asks who and why these questions are asked, please tell him that a reputable NVDA developer asks these questions, and this developer is asking tough questions to get this person to think critically. If he asks, "why should I care or think critically", please tell him that thinking critically allows one to make better choices in the end, including policy decisions (yes, that's my debator side coming out). In the end, it would be much better (strategically) if you frame these questions as though you are asking them, because it also allows you to think carefully about what you are dealing with.

> Cheers,

> Joseph

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell

> Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:04 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

> Hello. Let me check with him next month, and I'll get back to you on this subject.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah

> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:02 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

> Hi Sky,

> Before we debate the security of NVDA, I think we need to get the case of the library representative clarified. Firstly, what are the bases of this assertion that NVDA is less secure? Secondly, assuming that the claimant has the requisite technical knowhow, has he perused NVDA's source code to substantiate this claim? Thirdly, are there any specific security vulnerabilities or exploits present in NVDA that he can point us to?

> Unless the library representative can provide cogent responses to the above questions, or strengthen his claim by concrete evidence, I would dismiss such a comment as a misinformed and groundless one which holds no water.

> Thanks.

> On 11/9/17, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

>> Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public

>> library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the

>> screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low

>> vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the

>> group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better

>> for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access

>> staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to

>> address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the

>> Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as

>> we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an

>> option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open

>> Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to

>> lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get

>> somebody from FS to train them on it.  Any suggestions you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> --

> Best Regards

> Bhavya Shah

> Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

> Contacting Me

> E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@... Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125 Mobile Number: +91 7506221750

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA and office 2016

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Ian,

 

Thanks for the Shift-F6 option, but I can still make it crash using that.  But it is not all the time.

 

Outlook is definitely not pretty with NVDA, which brings me back to my point that I couldn’t use it at work.

 

Word is also pretty sluggish with large documents, but at least it doesn’t crash.  NVDA is simply not up there yet, except on the web.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ian Robinson
Sent: 10 November 2017 18:54
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and office 2016

 

Hi,

 

If I press Control+y, select a folder and press Enter, then Outlook will crash.

If I press Shift+F6, select a folder and press Enter, then all works just fine.

 

If I press Control plus a number to select another part of Outlook, such as Calendar or People, then outlook will crash.

If I press Shift+F6 twice to get to the Navigation bar and use the cursor keys and Enter to select another part of Outlook then there is no crash.

 

Regards.

 

Ian

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 10 November 2017 18:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and office 2016

 

How are you switching to folders?  I've seen this discussed before either here or on another list and crashing doesn't occur if you switch to folders in one way and it does if you switch in another.  I suspect that your expression crashing all over the place is extreme hyperbole as the only complaint I remember  seen is when switching folders and you are discussing it as well.  If a problem is a general one, it's fine to say so but if, as I suspect, it occurs only in switching folders, overstating the extent is misleading.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 11:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and office 2016

 

Sorry joseph, but that answer is nonsense.

 

I have the latest build of Office 365 on the fast ring and it is still not fixed.

 

So I just opened NVDA, then I opened Outlook, then read some Email.  All was fine.  Then I switched to a folder, and Crash!  Outlook Has Stopped Working.

 

I don’t call that fixed, do you?

 

Now if the only screen reader I had was NVDA, and I was trying to earn a crust, what kind of support would I get?

 

Let me see, JAWS and Supernova have fixed the problem in Outlook, so what’s the difference?  Oh wait, they are paid for programs.

 

In the case of JAWS, I Emailed FS, and they told me it would be fixed very soon.  Then they released a patch for JAWS 18, which specifically fixed these folder crashes.

 

Now again, I’m in the workplace and I want to get my job done.  I Email nvaccess, and say help I can’t use my tool with NVDA that I could use before.  How long would I expect to wait to get a fix?

 

It’s been a long time guys for this fix to happen.

 

My point really is that in order to get that level of support in the workplace from NVAccess, I am guessing they’d have to pay a considerable amount.

 

So wouldn’t that be the same as buying a screen reader?  I come back to what I’ve always said, and before Laz pipes in, I know I am a supplier of access tech, including JAWS, I believe NVDA really only is for the hobbiest and is not a mission critical app.

 

Of course, I’d love to be proven wrong on this, but when the rubber hits the road, in terms of work, NVDA just doesn’t cut it.

 

Quickbooks is another example, there is no add-on for it, but there are JAWS scripts.  Most of the addons are for consumer products.

 

I personally would love to see the day when NVDA is good enough to use 24-7, but for me that day is not here yet.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 10 November 2017 17:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and office 2016

 

Hi,

It also depends on which build of Office 365 you’ve got, because sometimes that makes a difference (fixes are in Outlook, for instance).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 7:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and office 2016

 

Hi Quentin,

 

Now if we could persuade NVDA to stop crashing every time you change Outlook folders, Office would be usable again.

 

I know Freedom Sci had to hack around this problem with MS, something to do with UIA calls.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 08 November 2017 22:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and office 2016

 

Hi Mary,

 

Office 2016 is in many ways similar to Office 2013.  NVDA works very well with both, and in a couple of cases, Microsoft have fixed bugs in 2016 so there are some things that work better.  I wrote the official NV Access training material for Microsoft Word and Excel using Office 2016.  The material itself works for Office 2010 to 2016 (I found in more cases I was noting a difference in the behaviour of Office 2010 compared to the other two, rather than a new difference in Office 2016).

 

If you are interested, our material is available from: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Mary Otten <motten53@...> wrote:

Hi all,
I was just looking on Jean‘s website, Accessibility central.net, and there was a tutorial there for using Microsoft Word with NVDA. It mentioned office 2013. I have a friend who uses a different screen reader, and he also uses 2013. Is 2016 accessible? I hope so, because that seems to be the currently available version.
Mary


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--

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Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA and office 2016

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Please clarify the way to switch folders without a crash then?  If I do it from the navigation pane, crash.  If I do it with Control-Y, crash.  What other way is there to do it?

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 10 November 2017 18:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and office 2016

 

How are you switching to folders?  I've seen this discussed before either here or on another list and crashing doesn't occur if you switch to folders in one way and it does if you switch in another.  I suspect that your expression crashing all over the place is extreme hyperbole as the only complaint I remember  seen is when switching folders and you are discussing it as well.  If a problem is a general one, it's fine to say so but if, as I suspect, it occurs only in switching folders, overstating the extent is misleading.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 11:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and office 2016

 

Sorry joseph, but that answer is nonsense.

 

I have the latest build of Office 365 on the fast ring and it is still not fixed.

 

So I just opened NVDA, then I opened Outlook, then read some Email.  All was fine.  Then I switched to a folder, and Crash!  Outlook Has Stopped Working.

 

I don’t call that fixed, do you?

 

Now if the only screen reader I had was NVDA, and I was trying to earn a crust, what kind of support would I get?

 

Let me see, JAWS and Supernova have fixed the problem in Outlook, so what’s the difference?  Oh wait, they are paid for programs.

 

In the case of JAWS, I Emailed FS, and they told me it would be fixed very soon.  Then they released a patch for JAWS 18, which specifically fixed these folder crashes.

 

Now again, I’m in the workplace and I want to get my job done.  I Email nvaccess, and say help I can’t use my tool with NVDA that I could use before.  How long would I expect to wait to get a fix?

 

It’s been a long time guys for this fix to happen.

 

My point really is that in order to get that level of support in the workplace from NVAccess, I am guessing they’d have to pay a considerable amount.

 

So wouldn’t that be the same as buying a screen reader?  I come back to what I’ve always said, and before Laz pipes in, I know I am a supplier of access tech, including JAWS, I believe NVDA really only is for the hobbiest and is not a mission critical app.

 

Of course, I’d love to be proven wrong on this, but when the rubber hits the road, in terms of work, NVDA just doesn’t cut it.

 

Quickbooks is another example, there is no add-on for it, but there are JAWS scripts.  Most of the addons are for consumer products.

 

I personally would love to see the day when NVDA is good enough to use 24-7, but for me that day is not here yet.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 10 November 2017 17:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and office 2016

 

Hi,

It also depends on which build of Office 365 you’ve got, because sometimes that makes a difference (fixes are in Outlook, for instance).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 7:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and office 2016

 

Hi Quentin,

 

Now if we could persuade NVDA to stop crashing every time you change Outlook folders, Office would be usable again.

 

I know Freedom Sci had to hack around this problem with MS, something to do with UIA calls.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 08 November 2017 22:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and office 2016

 

Hi Mary,

 

Office 2016 is in many ways similar to Office 2013.  NVDA works very well with both, and in a couple of cases, Microsoft have fixed bugs in 2016 so there are some things that work better.  I wrote the official NV Access training material for Microsoft Word and Excel using Office 2016.  The material itself works for Office 2010 to 2016 (I found in more cases I was noting a difference in the behaviour of Office 2010 compared to the other two, rather than a new difference in Office 2016).

 

If you are interested, our material is available from: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Mary Otten <motten53@...> wrote:

Hi all,
I was just looking on Jean‘s website, Accessibility central.net, and there was a tutorial there for using Microsoft Word with NVDA. It mentioned office 2013. I have a friend who uses a different screen reader, and he also uses 2013. Is 2016 accessible? I hope so, because that seems to be the currently available version.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA and office 2016

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Joseph,

 

OK, you got me there.  It does happen with Narrator as well.

 

But interestingly, it doesn’t happen with the paid for screen readers, at least not JAWS and Supernova anyway.

 

So I guess the moral of that is you gets what you pay for? <Smile>.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 10 November 2017 17:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and office 2016

 

Hi,

Can you try one more thing for me: what about Narrator? If it does not happen with Narrator, then I’ll remind Mick to give this the highest of highest of priorities.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 9:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and office 2016

 

Sorry joseph, but that answer is nonsense.

 

I have the latest build of Office 365 on the fast ring and it is still not fixed.

 

So I just opened NVDA, then I opened Outlook, then read some Email.  All was fine.  Then I switched to a folder, and Crash!  Outlook Has Stopped Working.

 

I don’t call that fixed, do you?

 

Now if the only screen reader I had was NVDA, and I was trying to earn a crust, what kind of support would I get?

 

Let me see, JAWS and Supernova have fixed the problem in Outlook, so what’s the difference?  Oh wait, they are paid for programs.

 

In the case of JAWS, I Emailed FS, and they told me it would be fixed very soon.  Then they released a patch for JAWS 18, which specifically fixed these folder crashes.

 

Now again, I’m in the workplace and I want to get my job done.  I Email nvaccess, and say help I can’t use my tool with NVDA that I could use before.  How long would I expect to wait to get a fix?

 

It’s been a long time guys for this fix to happen.

 

My point really is that in order to get that level of support in the workplace from NVAccess, I am guessing they’d have to pay a considerable amount.

 

So wouldn’t that be the same as buying a screen reader?  I come back to what I’ve always said, and before Laz pipes in, I know I am a supplier of access tech, including JAWS, I believe NVDA really only is for the hobbiest and is not a mission critical app.

 

Of course, I’d love to be proven wrong on this, but when the rubber hits the road, in terms of work, NVDA just doesn’t cut it.

 

Quickbooks is another example, there is no add-on for it, but there are JAWS scripts.  Most of the addons are for consumer products.

 

I personally would love to see the day when NVDA is good enough to use 24-7, but for me that day is not here yet.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 10 November 2017 17:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and office 2016

 

Hi,

It also depends on which build of Office 365 you’ve got, because sometimes that makes a difference (fixes are in Outlook, for instance).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 7:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and office 2016

 

Hi Quentin,

 

Now if we could persuade NVDA to stop crashing every time you change Outlook folders, Office would be usable again.

 

I know Freedom Sci had to hack around this problem with MS, something to do with UIA calls.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 08 November 2017 22:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and office 2016

 

Hi Mary,

 

Office 2016 is in many ways similar to Office 2013.  NVDA works very well with both, and in a couple of cases, Microsoft have fixed bugs in 2016 so there are some things that work better.  I wrote the official NV Access training material for Microsoft Word and Excel using Office 2016.  The material itself works for Office 2010 to 2016 (I found in more cases I was noting a difference in the behaviour of Office 2010 compared to the other two, rather than a new difference in Office 2016).

 

If you are interested, our material is available from: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Mary Otten <motten53@...> wrote:

Hi all,
I was just looking on Jean‘s website, Accessibility central.net, and there was a tutorial there for using Microsoft Word with NVDA. It mentioned office 2013. I have a friend who uses a different screen reader, and he also uses 2013. Is 2016 accessible? I hope so, because that seems to be the currently available version.
Mary


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Re: nvda windows explorer windows 10 issues.

Rod Hutton <rod_hutton@...>
 

Hi,

 

You can confirm the Preview Pane status as follows:

  1. Open any explorer window as usual, and press Alt-V.
  2. Press tab twice to focus the Preview Pane control and, if you hear that it is “pressed”, then press space to toggle it off.

 

Best,

 

Rod

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: November 11, 2017 8:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda windows explorer windows 10 issues.

 

The way I got better performance was by ensuring that the Preview option was turned off.

I think you can toggle this by a shortcut – perhaps alt P but I  think  the easiest way to accessibly do this for certain is to go to the traditional control panel and then select file Explorer Options and in the tree view of settings make sure that Preview Pane is not checked. It was in my case and turning it off caused a big improvement.

Hope that is the case for you as well.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: erik burggraaf
Sent: 11 November 2017 13:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda windows explorer windows 10 issues.

 

Hi,  I just want to report that I'm seeing the poor performance in windows

10 file explorer that others are mentioning.

 

Symptims include:

Extremely long load times for file browsing windows, over 10 seconds on

average.

Extremely long times to access files and folders, about 5 seconds to open a

folder on average.  Longer to access a file using it's associated program.

Windows explorer frequently reports not responding when tabbing between

multiple file windows.

NVDA disappears when arrowing or tabbing and has to be brought back with

control alt N.

 

This is an intel cherry trail 2.0 ghz machine with 2 gb ram and 32 gb solid

state storage.  I don't run much on it.  It was primarily designated to be

a file and cloud server and works very well for the purpose.

 

I have enhanced performance by taking the following steps.

Switch back to espeak from the microsoft voices.

Switch to chrome for browsing.

Turn off unnecessary services.  I don't use one drive on this machine for

example so it went.

 

Even so, file browsing still performs poorly.  It also performs poorly with

narrater running.  In fact, I think it's worse with narrater because of the

performance of the microsoft voice.

 

So yes, I'm seeing it, but no, I'm not convinced it's an NVDA issue as

such.  Sorry, I don't have time to install jaws to see if it works better.

 

I read earlier on in the week that some one got better performance from

file browsers by disabling UIA for file browsing.  They didn't mention how

they did that though.  I poked around,m but nothing jumped right out at me.

 I'm not in favour of disabling accessibility api's to get better

performance, but I am in favour of doing what works.  If it works, then

maybe it's an option for those of us using low end systems.

 

I also looked for the option to turn off windows explorer's preview peign,

but I can't find it in the ribbon.  It should be in the view tab but I

haven't found it yet.

 

Best,

 

Erik

 

 

 

 

 


Re: nvda windows explorer windows 10 issues.

David Griffith
 

The way I got better performance was by ensuring that the Preview option was turned off.

I think you can toggle this by a shortcut – perhaps alt P but I  think  the easiest way to accessibly do this for certain is to go to the traditional control panel and then select file Explorer Options and in the tree view of settings make sure that Preview Pane is not checked. It was in my case and turning it off caused a big improvement.

Hope that is the case for you as well.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: erik burggraaf
Sent: 11 November 2017 13:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda windows explorer windows 10 issues.

 

Hi,  I just want to report that I'm seeing the poor performance in windows

10 file explorer that others are mentioning.

 

Symptims include:

Extremely long load times for file browsing windows, over 10 seconds on

average.

Extremely long times to access files and folders, about 5 seconds to open a

folder on average.  Longer to access a file using it's associated program.

Windows explorer frequently reports not responding when tabbing between

multiple file windows.

NVDA disappears when arrowing or tabbing and has to be brought back with

control alt N.

 

This is an intel cherry trail 2.0 ghz machine with 2 gb ram and 32 gb solid

state storage.  I don't run much on it.  It was primarily designated to be

a file and cloud server and works very well for the purpose.

 

I have enhanced performance by taking the following steps.

Switch back to espeak from the microsoft voices.

Switch to chrome for browsing.

Turn off unnecessary services.  I don't use one drive on this machine for

example so it went.

 

Even so, file browsing still performs poorly.  It also performs poorly with

narrater running.  In fact, I think it's worse with narrater because of the

performance of the microsoft voice.

 

So yes, I'm seeing it, but no, I'm not convinced it's an NVDA issue as

such.  Sorry, I don't have time to install jaws to see if it works better.

 

I read earlier on in the week that some one got better performance from

file browsers by disabling UIA for file browsing.  They didn't mention how

they did that though.  I poked around,m but nothing jumped right out at me.

 I'm not in favour of disabling accessibility api's to get better

performance, but I am in favour of doing what works.  If it works, then

maybe it's an option for those of us using low end systems.

 

I also looked for the option to turn off windows explorer's preview peign,

but I can't find it in the ribbon.  It should be in the view tab but I

haven't found it yet.

 

Best,

 

Erik

 

 

 

 

 


Re: nvda windows explorer windows 10 issues.

 

Hi,
If you do turn off UIA support, you'll lose UIA support EVERYWHERE (note all
caps).
For people experiencing performance issues, I suggest trying out latest
master branch snapshot to see if it improves things. If it doesn't, then it
might be time to remind MS about UIA performance problems. Any fixes for
performance issues from Microsoft side will be going to next Windows 10
release (unfortunately).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik
burggraaf
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 5:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda windows explorer windows 10 issues.

Hi, I just want to report that I'm seeing the poor performance in windows
10 file explorer that others are mentioning.

Symptims include:
Extremely long load times for file browsing windows, over 10 seconds on
average.
Extremely long times to access files and folders, about 5 seconds to open a
folder on average. Longer to access a file using it's associated program.
Windows explorer frequently reports not responding when tabbing between
multiple file windows.
NVDA disappears when arrowing or tabbing and has to be brought back with
control alt N.

This is an intel cherry trail 2.0 ghz machine with 2 gb ram and 32 gb solid
state storage. I don't run much on it. It was primarily designated to be a
file and cloud server and works very well for the purpose.

I have enhanced performance by taking the following steps.
Switch back to espeak from the microsoft voices.
Switch to chrome for browsing.
Turn off unnecessary services. I don't use one drive on this machine for
example so it went.

Even so, file browsing still performs poorly. It also performs poorly with
narrater running. In fact, I think it's worse with narrater because of the
performance of the microsoft voice.

So yes, I'm seeing it, but no, I'm not convinced it's an NVDA issue as such.
Sorry, I don't have time to install jaws to see if it works better.

I read earlier on in the week that some one got better performance from file
browsers by disabling UIA for file browsing. They didn't mention how they
did that though. I poked around,m but nothing jumped right out at me.
I'm not in favour of disabling accessibility api's to get better
performance, but I am in favour of doing what works. If it works, then
maybe it's an option for those of us using low end systems.

I also looked for the option to turn off windows explorer's preview peign,
but I can't find it in the ribbon. It should be in the view tab but I
haven't found it yet.

Best,

Erik


nvda windows explorer windows 10 issues.

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Hi, I just want to report that I'm seeing the poor performance in windows 10 file explorer that others are mentioning.

Symptims include:
Extremely long load times for file browsing windows, over 10 seconds on average.
Extremely long times to access files and folders, about 5 seconds to open a folder on average. Longer to access a file using it's associated program.
Windows explorer frequently reports not responding when tabbing between multiple file windows.
NVDA disappears when arrowing or tabbing and has to be brought back with control alt N.

This is an intel cherry trail 2.0 ghz machine with 2 gb ram and 32 gb solid state storage. I don't run much on it. It was primarily designated to be a file and cloud server and works very well for the purpose.

I have enhanced performance by taking the following steps.
Switch back to espeak from the microsoft voices.
Switch to chrome for browsing.
Turn off unnecessary services. I don't use one drive on this machine for example so it went.

Even so, file browsing still performs poorly. It also performs poorly with narrater running. In fact, I think it's worse with narrater because of the performance of the microsoft voice.

So yes, I'm seeing it, but no, I'm not convinced it's an NVDA issue as such. Sorry, I don't have time to install jaws to see if it works better.

I read earlier on in the week that some one got better performance from file browsers by disabling UIA for file browsing. They didn't mention how they did that though. I poked around,m but nothing jumped right out at me. I'm not in favour of disabling accessibility api's to get better performance, but I am in favour of doing what works. If it works, then maybe it's an option for those of us using low end systems.

I also looked for the option to turn off windows explorer's preview peign, but I can't find it in the ribbon. It should be in the view tab but I haven't found it yet.

Best,

Erik


Re: enhance touch gestures not working

 

Hi,

I see. Web mode will work in places where browse mode can be used (such as web browsers).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 4:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Hi, as I deeply tested the addon, I realise that, some of the gestures are working, and some are not, the web mode is not working at all, test it on your machine as well to verify, anyways, thanks for help. I have the prier version someware in my hdd, I’m just installing it

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
BlindHelp.net

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 11:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Hi,

Which one do you want? But before that, is this happening with latest version or did it happen before in old releases?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Can you send the old version of this addon?

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
BlindHelp.net

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Hi,

I have no idea at this point. Sorry.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 9:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Then what to do? The addon gestures are not working, but standard gestures are working instead

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
BlindHelp.net

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Hi,

Sorry, that add-on doesn’t support passing touch gestures.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 9:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Will you do me a faver? Connect with me via NVDA remote, and check what’s rong

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
BlindHelp.net

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Hi,

In that case, gestures are recognized. Now what about putting a finger around the screen and moving around? If that’s recognized, it might be sensitivity or other issues.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 9:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Yes, it says, tap, reports the objects directly under your finger

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
BlindHelp.net

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Hi,

That’s odd indeed. So when you go into input help (NVDA+number row 1) and touch the touchscreen, do you hear NVDA announce touch gestures?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 9:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Hi, I’m using windows 10 1709. All of the gestures are not working, even I think the addon is enabled, but its gestures are disabled

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
BlindHelp.net

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 6:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Hi,

Can you tell me what’s not working and what version of Windows you’ve got?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 2:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Hi all. I’ve recently downloaded enhance touch gesture addon from https://addons.nvda-project.org/, but its not working, how to activate it? using NVDA 2017.3

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
BlindHelp.net

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: enhance touch gestures not working

abdul muhamin
 

Hi, as I deeply tested the addon, I realise that, some of the gestures are working, and some are not, the web mode is not working at all, test it on your machine as well to verify, anyways, thanks for help. I have the prier version someware in my hdd, I’m just installing it

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
BlindHelp.net

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 11:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Hi,

Which one do you want? But before that, is this happening with latest version or did it happen before in old releases?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Can you send the old version of this addon?

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
BlindHelp.net

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Hi,

I have no idea at this point. Sorry.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 9:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Then what to do? The addon gestures are not working, but standard gestures are working instead

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
BlindHelp.net

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Hi,

Sorry, that add-on doesn’t support passing touch gestures.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 9:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Will you do me a faver? Connect with me via NVDA remote, and check what’s rong

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
BlindHelp.net

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Hi,

In that case, gestures are recognized. Now what about putting a finger around the screen and moving around? If that’s recognized, it might be sensitivity or other issues.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 9:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Yes, it says, tap, reports the objects directly under your finger

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
BlindHelp.net

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Hi,

That’s odd indeed. So when you go into input help (NVDA+number row 1) and touch the touchscreen, do you hear NVDA announce touch gestures?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 9:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Hi, I’m using windows 10 1709. All of the gestures are not working, even I think the addon is enabled, but its gestures are disabled

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
BlindHelp.net

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 6:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Hi,

Can you tell me what’s not working and what version of Windows you’ve got?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 2:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] enhance touch gestures not working

 

Hi all. I’ve recently downloaded enhance touch gesture addon from https://addons.nvda-project.org/, but its not working, how to activate it? using NVDA 2017.3

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
BlindHelp.net

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Beware latest CD Burner XP

Chris
 

Last update October 3rd 2017

If you call that years so be it :D

 

From: Rob Hudson
Sent: 11 November 2017 11:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Beware latest CD Burner XP

 

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> I wonder if unchecky would prevent the installation in this case.  I don't know how many people know about unchecky but it should be on peoples' machines.

 

How long has it been since that program has been updated, though? I was under the impression that it has been several years.

 

 

 


Re: Beware latest CD Burner XP

Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@...>
 

Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I wonder if unchecky would prevent the installation in this case. I don't know how many people know about unchecky but it should be on peoples' machines.
How long has it been since that program has been updated, though? I was under the impression that it has been several years.


Re: a new browser to talk about

Chris
 

According to their blog their website waterfox will eventually have their own add-on store

 

As for Mozilla they have many very old extensions still hosted which are not compatible with the latest builds of Firefox

 

So make of that as you wish

 

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 11 November 2017 08:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a new browser to talk about

 

Yes this was mentioned a while ago. I was hoping somebody had found out what

their intentions were on the new Quantum code. if they are not going down

that route, the next question has to be will mozilla still host old add ons

for Firefox if they want everyone to go down the new road.

If it is the same one has to wonder what the point of it is though.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Bobby Vinton" <vinton.bobby5277@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 8:34 PM

Subject: [nvda] a new browser to talk about

 

 

Hay I am using this browser called water fox.  Just to let you all know

water fox is just like fire fox so you don’t have to learn any thing new.

You can use fire fox add ons so you don’t have to worry about finding new

add ons that will work with the water fox browser

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Beware latest CD Burner XP

Gene
 

I wonder if unchecky would prevent the installation in this case.  I don't know how many people know about unchecky but it should be on peoples' machines.  If a site or a program installer tries to download potentially unwanted programs, in connection with an installation, it blocks the download or installation in many cases.  It doesn't block all of them, it doesn't know about all of them, but it gives a good deal of protection against inadvertently downloading programs that are bundled with free software.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Beware latest CD Burner XP

An alternative way is to use the ninite installerto avoid this type of stuff

 

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 11 November 2017 10:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Beware latest CD Burner XP

 

Right to get it to install for us blind folk you have to ignore the

download page it sends you to and take the, other download choices. Look for

the minimal installer for all flavours of windows. This does not carry the

extra code  asking you to download other software as the default one does.

 

Its a shame they don't mention this, but I guess they have a sponsorship

deal with Avast the most inaccessible anti virus to put their installer into

the front end installer of cdburner, and its hardly surprising that their

installer is also inaccessible I guess.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"

<bglists@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 9:42 AM

Subject: [nvda] Beware latest CD Burner XP

 

 

> It of course does run on later systems and is a very easy to use bit of

> software, but they just pushed the latest version to me, and it wants to

> install Avast anti virus. You have to use Screen navigation to find the

> boxes to check and uncheck to stop this and one little error will install

> avast and as we are all probably aware, it is inaccessible and hard to

> remove without sighted help and in some cases extra software. My advice is

> to not let it do anything. they had assured me that this interface on

> installing extra software was accessible, indeed it has been for some  of

> the recent updates but for some unknown reason they seem to have reverted

> to the old installer with the inaccessible boxes and text. I only noticed

> it when nothing would work so I did an nvda/b and heard the text. Its a

> real swine also to try and get object or screen nav to see this text. Hit

> and miss.

> So beware, if you do click something, it will install avast and you will

> be stuffed. Brian

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> in the display name field.

>

>