From: Mary Otten
Sent: 11 November 2017 19:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA speaking even when it’s not loaded when there’s a problem with shut down

 

I have this new machine and it has NVDA on it. But in Vda  does not load at start up. We are having some problems with the machine, and my husband thought he had narrowed it down to stuff screwing up when you restart rather than shutting down the machine. Anyway, with NVDA not loaded when the machine is shutting down, occasionally will hang up and e speak will start talking. That is not the synthesizer I have selected. But it does talk. And it is happened on a few occasions. When he took it back to the store to let the tech look at it, it did that once, and now the tech is blaming the whole thing on NVDA. I’m sure that’s not correct, but I don’t know what to tell them.

Mary

 

 

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If you only want to record in mp3 format, then mp3 Direct Cut is a great
choice.  It is free and very easy to use.  There's an nvda add on for it
to help in editing files, but for just recording, you can get by without
that if you choose.

Roger











On 11/11/2017 1:37 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> Depends what you call simple. Many do record but as often when you do
> this you next need to edit the files, then I'd still use a program
> like audacity or if you can afford a little beit Goldwave.
> There is virtual recorder but not tested it on XP as I think its aimed
> at those with sound cards that you cannot record streams from etc.
>
> If you have a mobile phone, just press record is your thing.
> Brian
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 6:46 PM
> Subject: [nvda] do you know one accessible, simple to use and free
> audio recorder?
>
>
>> hello every one.
>> i need one program which can record mp3, be freeware or opensource,
>> safe, reliable, simple to use, supports all windows versions since xp,
>> accessible and if possible, without extra software offering.
>> except jetaudio that i realy cant use, please help me.
>> God bless you all!
>>
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>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
>> indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> www.al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

Depends what you call simple. Many do record but as often when you do this
you next need to edit the files, then I'd still use a program like audacity
or if you can afford a little beit Goldwave.
 There is virtual recorder but not tested it on XP as I think its aimed at
those with sound cards that you cannot record streams from etc.

If you have a mobile phone, just press record is your thing.
 Brian

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From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 6:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] do you know one accessible, simple to use and free audio
recorder?


> hello every one.
> i need one program which can record mp3, be freeware or opensource,
> safe, reliable, simple to use, supports all windows versions since xp,
> accessible and if possible, without extra software offering.
> except jetaudio that i realy cant use, please help me.
> God bless you all!
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
> indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> www.al-islam.org
>
>
>

On 11/11/2017 1:37 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Depends what you call simple. Many do record but as often when you do this you next need to edit the files, then I'd still use a program like audacity or if you can afford a little beit Goldwave.
There is virtual recorder but not tested it on XP as I think its aimed at those with sound cards that you cannot record streams from etc.

If you have a mobile phone, just press record is your thing.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 6:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] do you know one accessible, simple to use and free audio recorder?

hello every one.
i need one program which can record mp3, be freeware or opensource,
safe, reliable, simple to use, supports all windows versions since xp,
accessible and if possible, without extra software offering.
except jetaudio that i realy cant use, please help me.
God bless you all!

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org

On 11/11/2017 12:55 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I have this new machine and it has NVDA on it. But in Vda does not load at start up. We are having some problems with the machine, and my husband thought he had narrowed it down to stuff screwing up when you restart rather than shutting down the machine. Anyway, with NVDA not loaded when the machine is shutting down, occasionally will hang up and e speak will start talking. That is not the synthesizer I have selected. But it does talk. And it is happened on a few occasions. When he took it back to the store to let the tech look at it, it did that once, and now the tech is blaming the whole thing on NVDA. I’m sure that’s not correct, but I don’t know what to tell them.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <chrismedley@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a new browser to talk about


According to their blog their website waterfox will eventually have their own add-on store

As for Mozilla they have many very old extensions still hosted which are not compatible with the latest builds of Firefox

So make of that as you wish


From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 11 November 2017 08:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a new browser to talk about

Yes this was mentioned a while ago. I was hoping somebody had found out what
their intentions were on the new Quantum code. if they are not going down
that route, the next question has to be will mozilla still host old add ons
for Firefox if they want everyone to go down the new road.
If it is the same one has to wonder what the point of it is though.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby Vinton" <vinton.bobby5277@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 8:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] a new browser to talk about


Hay I am using this browser called water fox. Just to let you all know
water fox is just like fire fox so you don’t have to learn any thing new.
You can use fire fox add ons so you don’t have to worry about finding new
add ons that will work with the water fox browser

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Hudson" <rob_hudson_3182@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Beware latest CD Burner XP


Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I wonder if unchecky would prevent the installation in this case. I don't know how many people know about unchecky but it should be on peoples' machines.

How long has it been since that program has been updated, though? I was under the impression that it has been several years.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda windows explorer windows 10 issues.

Hi,

To turn off the Preview Pane, just press Alt-P in any File Explorer window.
This is a toggle, so an Alt-P will turn it on again. If it says Not
Checked, it's off.

Yes, File Explorer is slow in anything that relies on UIA.

I don't know what FS have done, but it is significantly quicker.

All the best
Steve

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik
burggraaf
Sent: 11 November 2017 13:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda windows explorer windows 10 issues.

Hi, I just want to report that I'm seeing the poor performance in windows
10 file explorer that others are mentioning.

Symptims include:
Extremely long load times for file browsing windows, over 10 seconds on
average.
Extremely long times to access files and folders, about 5 seconds to open a
folder on average. Longer to access a file using it's associated program.
Windows explorer frequently reports not responding when tabbing between
multiple file windows.
NVDA disappears when arrowing or tabbing and has to be brought back with
control alt N.

This is an intel cherry trail 2.0 ghz machine with 2 gb ram and 32 gb solid
state storage. I don't run much on it. It was primarily designated to be a
file and cloud server and works very well for the purpose.

I have enhanced performance by taking the following steps.
Switch back to espeak from the microsoft voices.
Switch to chrome for browsing.
Turn off unnecessary services. I don't use one drive on this machine for
example so it went.

Even so, file browsing still performs poorly. It also performs poorly with
narrater running. In fact, I think it's worse with narrater because of the
performance of the microsoft voice.

So yes, I'm seeing it, but no, I'm not convinced it's an NVDA issue as such.
Sorry, I don't have time to install jaws to see if it works better.

I read earlier on in the week that some one got better performance from file
browsers by disabling UIA for file browsing. They didn't mention how they
did that though. I poked around,m but nothing jumped right out at me.
I'm not in favour of disabling accessibility api's to get better
performance, but I am in favour of doing what works. If it works, then
maybe it's an option for those of us using low end systems.

I also looked for the option to turn off windows explorer's preview peign,
but I can't find it in the ribbon. It should be in the view tab but I
haven't found it yet.

Best,

Erik

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark" <mark@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] come to my rescue


Hi yes this is normal on lots of laptops now
For example if you press f6 and F7 on a acer laptop it will turn the volume up and down you have to press fn key to get F6 on its one
Mark.

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From: Marisane Moruthanyana
Sent: 11 November 2017 18:43
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] come to my rescue

Evening gentlemen

I recently bought an HP laptop running win10.

I'm, however confused by the behaviour of the function keys.

All the F1-12 keys are inverted. I mean the following:

All the F-keys have a symbol on it. Normally you would press Fn + your to use it. On this laptop, it's reversed. The symbol is what you get when you press the button normally and you have to press Fn + F-key to get the usual action and sometimes even after pressing the fn key, nothing does what one knows.

The function keys with this laptop either mute or unmute the system with function key F6, for instance, and other function keys just do what one would not want them to do.

So, if I want to refresh a webpage, instead of just F5, I have to do Fn + F5

I want to change this to regular behavior. Would you please help?

Thanking you in advance.

Marisane from SA

----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 6:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] do you know one accessible, simple to use and free audio recorder?

hello every one.
i need one program which can record mp3, be freeware or opensource,
safe, reliable, simple to use, supports all windows versions since xp,
accessible and if possible, without extra software offering.
except jetaudio that i realy cant use, please help me.
God bless you all!

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 7:25 PM
Subject: [nvda] cdbxp

Hi.

Just looked and manually got cdbxp it wanted to install some bit defence software, unchecky was on and that seemed to have got it.

To be honest though they hardly update it and to be honest I really don't use this much.

Evening gentlemen

 

I recently bought an HP laptop running win10.

 

I'm, however confused by the behaviour of the function keys.

 

All the F1-12 keys are inverted. I mean the following:

 

All the F-keys have a symbol on it. Normally you would press Fn + your to use it. On this laptop, it's reversed. The symbol is what you get when you press the button normally and you have to press Fn + F-key to get the usual action and sometimes even after pressing the fn key, nothing does what one knows.

 

The function keys with this laptop either mute or unmute the system with function key F6, for instance, and other function keys just do what one would not want them to do.

 

So, if I want to refresh a webpage, instead of just F5, I have to do Fn + F5

 

I want to change this to regular behavior. Would you please help?

 

Thanking you in advance.

 

Marisane from SA

From: Marisane Moruthanyana
Sent: 11 November 2017 18:43
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] come to my rescue

 

Evening gentlemen

 

I recently bought an HP laptop running win10.

 

I'm, however confused by the behaviour of the function keys.

 

All the F1-12 keys are inverted. I mean the following:

 

All the F-keys have a symbol on it. Normally you would press Fn + your to use it. On this laptop, it's reversed. The symbol is what you get when you press the button normally and you have to press Fn + F-key to get the usual action and sometimes even after pressing the fn key, nothing does what one knows.

 

The function keys with this laptop either mute or unmute the system with function key F6, for instance, and other function keys just do what one would not want them to do.

 

So, if I want to refresh a webpage, instead of just F5, I have to do Fn + F5

 

I want to change this to regular behavior. Would you please help?

 

Thanking you in advance.

 

Marisane from SA

On November 11, 2017 1:08:23 PM "Mike and Jenna" <schwaltze@...> wrote:

Lol You better have a long talk with the top guys at the government as they
do not follow your logic. They want software that comes from insured
companys and other things like that nvda could never afford to be insured
like that here in Canada or the use. There is many reasons that nvda will
not be part of the government unless somethings changes and money is raised
to get them insured over here. Also that still wouldn't work as they need to
be insured every year. There is nothing that holds nvda labial if something
goes wrong like there is with freedom.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik
burggraaf
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Steve, anyone can alter the code of an open source project, true. a what
I fail to understand is, how is this an inherent ecurity concern? The
altered code must be installed in order to do what you author it to do. You
can blow up the code five ways from Sunday, but if you are installing
official builds, no one will ever see your damaged code. In theory, I
suppose someone could hack the update server, place a damaged update into
the update queue, and roll it out to other computers. I have to say though,
I think that's a very very miniscule risk.

Administrators of public computer systems generally lock things down, so
that users cannot get access to the program files folder, the windows
folder, and other critical system functions. Users can not simply walk up
and install anything they want, regardless of whether it is open source or
not. If your systems are secure, and the Distribution Systems for the
software are secure, and the policies you operate under are secure, then
regardless of whether the software is open source or not, the entire
procedure should be secure.

If you are a foolish administrator, allowing users to install things
willy-nilly on public computers, then there is a very high risk of that
someone will go to virusladengames.com, and download a bunch of crap to the
computer. I would consider this a much greater risk, then securely
installing open source software to provide accessibility.

Unless I am greatly missing something, I submit that installing code from an
unknown source is a security risk, but the innate ability to modify code is
not.



On November 10, 2017 10:42:26 AM "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> wrote:

Hi,

I would have thought the security aspect is obvious. Since it is open
source, anyone has access to the code, and anyone can alter it. So I can
understand workplace concerns.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya
shah
Sent: 09 November 2017 06:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Sky,
Before we debate the security of NVDA, I think we need to get the case of
the library representative clarified. Firstly, what are the bases of this
assertion that NVDA is less secure? Secondly, assuming that the claimant has
the requisite technical knowhow, has he perused NVDA's source code to
substantiate this claim? Thirdly, are there any specific security
vulnerabilities or exploits present in NVDA that he can point us to?
Unless the library representative can provide cogent responses to the above
questions, or strengthen his claim by concrete evidence, I would dismiss
such a comment as a misinformed and groundless one which holds no water.
Thanks.

On 11/9/17, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public
library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the
screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low
vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the
group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better
for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access
staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to
address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the
Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as
we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an
option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open
Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to
lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get
somebody from FS to train them on it. Any suggestions you guys could
give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.

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From: erik burggraaf
Sent: November 11, 2017 10:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

 

Hi Steve, I have not experienced any issues using word tables in pages. My Mac died before I could get into Microsoft Office 2016. Anyhow, thank you very much for making my point for me again. In fact, voice-over renders tables flawlessly and has excellent features for doing so. It handles tables in almost any format.  It has configurable row and column header verbosity. It performs extremely well in tables using Safari, Chrome, and Firefox. Again, I can't speak for Microsoft Office, but it performs extremely well in tables using I work sweet. In other words, even if we dissected this one feature, and say that voice over crashes when reading a table, we go back to the Paradigm and recognize that numerous third-party applications and formats that render tables work very well with voice over without crashing. Ergo, if a table is crashing, it is the fault of the person who designed the table, or the format in which the table is rendered. That person or persons needs to go back, and fix their table. Or update their format so that it works with the accessibility api's on the Mac. This is not a voice-over issue.

Voice over and here's fairly rigorously to both International standards, and its own accessibility api's. It's actual screen reader features do primarily what they were designed to do, perform up to standard, and offer a professional level of access.

Here is a better example. Voice-over has a feature called Place markers or some such, which allows someone to configure hot spots on the screen, navigate to them, and read what is in those hot spots with a moving. This is an extremely useful screen reader feature. Many screen readers have a similar feature on Windows. Unfortunately, this feature was broken in an upgrade, and remained inoperable for an entire operating system version. In the course of the next operating system release, about 18 months, the issue that broke Place markers was eventually fixed. Of course, we do not think this is an acceptable turnaround time for fixing such a useful feature that had become relied upon by many screen reader users. Still, we have waited longer for Less productivity in other feature areas.

How long has Adobe waffled on accessibility support? Modern Adobe software for IOS and Android has been available for 5 years at least, and still is not accessible. They released some Bare Bones support last year. Hooray for a while, and where are they now? Gone again. Adobe still wants to do accessibility the way they did it 20 years ago, but nobody does that anymore.

I say again, and we'll keep saying, the tools, standards, laws, and api's, are all in place for developers to make their software accessible. In the new paradigm, it is the developer's responsibility to use the tool standards laws and everything else to make their programs accessible. It is not the responsibility of a screen reader manufacturer to make programs accessible. It is the responsibility of a screen reader manufacturer to develop tools that present information effectively using the api's and standard so that a person can read the screen. Nvda as a screen reader works extremely well as a screen reader, and has professional screen reader features and functions. If Microsoft's user-interface automation accessibility tool is broken, then it is Microsoft responsibility to fix that tool. Microsoft Outlook doesn't interface properly with user interface automation, then it is Microsoft's responsibility to fix that accessibility issue. If the same thing happens to file browsing on lower-end systems, it is Microsoft's responsibility to make sure that the primary system tools being used in windows are accessible and perform effectively when accessibility services are enabled. It is not the responsibility of a screen reader manufacturer to fix stability and performance issues in every software package released and accepted by the blind Community, particularly those that come directly built into the operating system.

As a recognized access technology specialist in your own right, I strongly suggest you go back to the drawing board, reevaluate the old and new paradigms, and completely reassess your expectations of what a screen reader is and does, and what the responsibilities of various developers are. In the new paradigm, we have very few tools such as scripts, addons, and other Specialty Products that help us both accessibility on two things where accessibility is lacking. We expect developers and manufacturers to accept responsibility for the accessibility of their products, just as they would for the security, stability, performance, and feature sets. We no longer look to a screen reader or a screen reader manufacturer to solve all the problems of the world. We hold people accountable for their own designs and their own products. The laws, standards, and tools, allow us to do this. We do not want a return to the days when everything had to be scripted, but we still have a long way to go to get to a point where accessibility is the norm. It will take determination, persistence, and a unified front, to build on the groundwork that has already been laid.

Best,

Erik