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Re: NVDA speaking even when it’s not loaded when there’s a problem with shut down

 

Well the uac can be.

To be honest when I get a system like this I just do a reformat and load things myself and test, test, test.

Usually when I load my configs it doesn't do that.

If it does its bios, drivers or both.

The issue is when I have to deal with user software which gets in the way.

I can do it that way but it takes longer, and costs the client and myself more time.

I'd prefur to just reformat and reinstall windows and then I have an easier time.

Ofcause after that loading each bit of software at a time will eventually yeald the error.

9 times out of 10 at that stage its new or updated software.

And if it gets to that state I use google.

Sometimes a user needs a function and then just cracks software that needs it or installs malware full software to get it working.

At that point I just ask them for the function and then I can google that.

There is enough free opensource or low cost software that I either find the entire package or the modules I need and if I am lucky a wrapper front end to put them together.

The issue is then to convince the user to use said software.

I would to be honest ask the tech what stuff is on there.

ANd just get it reformatted and ask to get its hardware tested the unit cleaned, sure its going to cost a bit but you have already got it in the shop and are generating costs so get it done.

I have just had a system revived that stopped working the entire os crashed, the system died.

Regreasing the syncs, clearing the dust and replacing the power supply and all small fans and its up.

On 12/11/2017 8:55 a.m., Mary Otten wrote:
I have this new machine and it has NVDA on it. But in Vda does not load at start up. We are having some problems with the machine, and my husband thought he had narrowed it down to stuff screwing up when you restart rather than shutting down the machine. Anyway, with NVDA not loaded when the machine is shutting down, occasionally will hang up and e speak will start talking. That is not the synthesizer I have selected. But it does talk. And it is happened on a few occasions. When he took it back to the store to let the tech look at it, it did that once, and now the tech is blaming the whole thing on NVDA. I’m sure that’s not correct, but I don’t know what to tell them.
Mary


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Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Mike and Jenna <schwaltze@...>
 

Hi,

It has nothing to do with the laws at all. They are like that with all
software. I've worked with the tresurary board who sets the standards.
However what you run into is each department has its own IT rules that it
runs on. My wife could get a phone threw work however they only offer
blackberrys and will not let her get an apple phone. It is all about them
being legally able to get clearance bby the government for their software.
That's like I have seen their software catalog and they offer 7zip but no
other open source software.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik
burggraaf
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Mike, I live in Ontario. I am not a lawyer, or a legislature, however, I
think I'm pretty familiar with the accessibility legislation we have here.
There is nothing as far as I know in the accessibility legislation that says
that accommodations need to be insured. I could be wrong. Feel free to
correct me.

Dolphin maybe trying to move itself in, but right now, we are looking at an
accessibility situation here that involves Freedom Scientific Jaws for
Windows, and non-visual desktop access nvda. The people who own and develop
Jaws are motivated by money. As soon as Jaws stops being a financially
viable product, it will cease to be developed and produced. At that point,
the government will not be able to purchase it, because it won't be
available for sale. Government offices will probably be the final holdouts
in the great switch, but at some point technology will force them to do the
right thing, even if they manage to hold out against employee and user
demands.
Although government is ridiculously slow to change, governments were the
first early adopters of the mobile platforms in the late 90s and early 2000.
Mobile technologies and their accessibility Solutions are the way of the
future. Because of what first Apple, and then Google have done, governments
are already issuing devices to their employees with disabilities where
accessibility already comes standard. In fact, Windows is currently the only
platform where accessibility does not come standard.
At some point, accessible procurement may be a factor in governments finally
switching either to a different desktop platform, or two entire mobile
platforms. Of course, they will resist this change, but there are two
inexorable factors. First, user demand. Accommodation legislation is usually
worded in such a way that if a user asks for a specific accommodation, that
has to be taken into consideration. Second, you can't buy something that
isn't on the market. As demand for Windows decreases, so too will the demand
for Jaws for Windows, and as I said, they will not continue to produce
something they can't sell. Come talk to me in another 3 or 4 years.



On November 11, 2017 1:08:23 PM "Mike and Jenna" <schwaltze@...>
wrote:

Lol You better have a long talk with the top guys at the government as they
do not follow your logic. They want software that comes from insured
companys and other things like that nvda could never afford to be insured
like that here in Canada or the use. There is many reasons that nvda will
not be part of the government unless somethings changes and money is raised
to get them insured over here. Also that still wouldn't work as they need to
be insured every year. There is nothing that holds nvda labial if something
goes wrong like there is with freedom.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik
burggraaf
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Steve, anyone can alter the code of an open source project, true. a what
I fail to understand is, how is this an inherent ecurity concern? The
altered code must be installed in order to do what you author it to do. You
can blow up the code five ways from Sunday, but if you are installing
official builds, no one will ever see your damaged code. In theory, I
suppose someone could hack the update server, place a damaged update into
the update queue, and roll it out to other computers. I have to say though,
I think that's a very very miniscule risk.

Administrators of public computer systems generally lock things down, so
that users cannot get access to the program files folder, the windows
folder, and other critical system functions. Users can not simply walk up
and install anything they want, regardless of whether it is open source or
not. If your systems are secure, and the Distribution Systems for the
software are secure, and the policies you operate under are secure, then
regardless of whether the software is open source or not, the entire
procedure should be secure.

If you are a foolish administrator, allowing users to install things
willy-nilly on public computers, then there is a very high risk of that
someone will go to virusladengames.com, and download a bunch of crap to the
computer. I would consider this a much greater risk, then securely
installing open source software to provide accessibility.

Unless I am greatly missing something, I submit that installing code from an
unknown source is a security risk, but the innate ability to modify code is
not.



On November 10, 2017 10:42:26 AM "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> wrote:

Hi,

I would have thought the security aspect is obvious. Since it is open
source, anyone has access to the code, and anyone can alter it. So I can
understand workplace concerns.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya
shah
Sent: 09 November 2017 06:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Sky,
Before we debate the security of NVDA, I think we need to get the case of
the library representative clarified. Firstly, what are the bases of this
assertion that NVDA is less secure? Secondly, assuming that the claimant has
the requisite technical knowhow, has he perused NVDA's source code to
substantiate this claim? Thirdly, are there any specific security
vulnerabilities or exploits present in NVDA that he can point us to?
Unless the library representative can provide cogent responses to the above
questions, or strengthen his claim by concrete evidence, I would dismiss
such a comment as a misinformed and groundless one which holds no water.
Thanks.

On 11/9/17, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:
Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public
library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the
screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low
vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the
group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better
for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access
staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to
address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the
Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as
we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an
option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open
Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to
lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get
somebody from FS to train them on it. Any suggestions you guys could
give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.





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Re: come to my rescue

 

It does the keys are called action keys.

On 12/11/2017 8:40 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Often this behaviour can be changed in a control panel app or in the bios but often it needs sighted help to fix it as default.

I am going to ask this specific question of anyone trying to sell me a laptop as unless its obvious how to fix it you can get into a right mess.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" <mark@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] come to my rescue


Hi yes this is normal  on lots of laptops now
For example if you press f6 and F7 on a  acer laptop it will turn the volume up and down you have to press fn key to get F6 on its one
Mark.

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From: Marisane Moruthanyana
Sent: 11 November 2017 18:43
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] come to my rescue

Evening gentlemen

I recently bought an HP laptop running win10.

I'm, however confused by the behaviour of the function keys.

All the F1-12 keys are inverted. I mean the following:

All the F-keys have a symbol on it. Normally you would press Fn + your to use it. On this laptop, it's reversed. The symbol is what you get when you press the button normally and you have to press Fn + F-key to get the usual action and sometimes even after pressing the fn key, nothing does what one knows.

The function keys with this laptop either mute or unmute the system with function key F6, for instance, and other function keys just do what one would not want them to do.

So, if I want to refresh a webpage, instead of just F5, I have to do Fn + F5

I want to change this to regular behavior. Would you please help?

Thanking you in advance.

Marisane from SA






Re: do you know one accessible, simple to use and free audio recorder?

 

I have all 3 of them, what I like about goldwave is it uses cddb which is what nero uses I think it uses gracenote to.

The thing is its also fast.

On 12/11/2017 8:37 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Depends what you call simple. Many do record but as often when you do this you next need to edit the files, then I'd still use a program like audacity or if you can afford a little beit Goldwave.
There is virtual recorder but not tested it on XP as I think its aimed at those with sound cards that you cannot record streams from etc.

If you have a mobile phone, just press record is your thing.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
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Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 6:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] do you know one accessible, simple to use and free audio recorder?


hello every one.
i need one program which can record mp3, be freeware or opensource,
safe, reliable, simple to use, supports all windows versions since xp,
accessible and if possible, without extra software offering.
except jetaudio that i realy cant use, please help me.
God bless you all!

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best website for studying islamic book in different languages
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Re: cdbxp

 

AAh ok, didn't fully get that message, google and t bird is getting flakier and flakier with pop mail.

I'd happily switch but I loose my notification sounds with I get mail and I also want to know how to syncronise 1 folder only, my inbox in fact.

I will look at this version though.

On 12/11/2017 8:34 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
As I have said there is a version without that on their web site under other download choices.
Its the same name with minimal on the end.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
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Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 7:25 PM
Subject: [nvda] cdbxp


Hi.

Just looked and manually got cdbxp it wanted to install some bit defence software, unchecky was on and that seemed to have got it.

To be honest though they hardly update it and to be honest I really don't use this much.







Re: Github help

Ethan
 

Hello,

On Github, when creating an issue or a comment, there are buttons for
"Add a bulleted list" or "Add a numbered list" above the edit field.
When you press one of these, a dash, "-" or a "1" will be placed
before the line. To continue the numbered list, or the bulleted list,
continue to number each line, or put a dash at the beginning of the
line.

Hope this helps.

Ethan

On 11/11/17, Marco Oros <marco.oros93@...> wrote:
Hi!

I have a question. I know, that some of you maybe used Github. So, how
to create list, like for example at one line is bullet and on another,
link. How to do that?

Please, could You help Me with It?

Thank You.

Marco Oros





Re: NVDA speaking even when it’s not loaded when there’s a problem with shut down

Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

Hi David,
I know for sure that NVDA is not set up to speak anywhere, not on the login screen and not after start up. As for that other question about the voice synthesizer, I believe so. But the machine is back at the store for the tech to try to fix this strange problem that the machine is having. So I don’t know. Unfortunately, if he really didn’t believe my husband that this problem started before NVDA was installed and continued after, well I don’t know. He will probably uninstall NVDA and think his work is done. And then the machine will go back to the store for good and I will have to start looking for another one. At another store.
Mary


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On Nov 11, 2017, at 12:49 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

This sounds unusual behaviour.

NVDA has two modes.

Normally at the login level in my experience only ESpeak is available. If NVDA is speaking with eSpeak when it is not your selected synthetiser it mormally means that you are either at the login screen or in some part of the log out process. NVDA will also speak sometimes with eSpeak whilst Windows updates are being applied.

To start with the  basics, if you go to NVDA settings with NVDA plus N and look under General Preferences doyou have NVDA set to start automatically and also to speak at the Login screen?

Simialrly have you checked your  synthetiser and voice settings also in NVDA settings?

 

David Griffith

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From: Mary Otten
Sent: 11 November 2017 19:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA speaking even when it’s not loaded when there’s a problem with shut down

 

I have this new machine and it has NVDA on it. But in Vda  does not load at start up. We are having some problems with the machine, and my husband thought he had narrowed it down to stuff screwing up when you restart rather than shutting down the machine. Anyway, with NVDA not loaded when the machine is shutting down, occasionally will hang up and e speak will start talking. That is not the synthesizer I have selected. But it does talk. And it is happened on a few occasions. When he took it back to the store to let the tech look at it, it did that once, and now the tech is blaming the whole thing on NVDA. I’m sure that’s not correct, but I don’t know what to tell them.

Mary

 

 

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Re: NVDA speaking even when it’s not loaded when there’s a problem with shut down

David Griffith
 

This sounds unusual behaviour.

NVDA has two modes.

Normally at the login level in my experience only ESpeak is available. If NVDA is speaking with eSpeak when it is not your selected synthetiser it mormally means that you are either at the login screen or in some part of the log out process. NVDA will also speak sometimes with eSpeak whilst Windows updates are being applied.

To start with the  basics, if you go to NVDA settings with NVDA plus N and look under General Preferences doyou have NVDA set to start automatically and also to speak at the Login screen?

Simialrly have you checked your  synthetiser and voice settings also in NVDA settings?

 

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Mary Otten
Sent: 11 November 2017 19:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA speaking even when it’s not loaded when there’s a problem with shut down

 

I have this new machine and it has NVDA on it. But in Vda  does not load at start up. We are having some problems with the machine, and my husband thought he had narrowed it down to stuff screwing up when you restart rather than shutting down the machine. Anyway, with NVDA not loaded when the machine is shutting down, occasionally will hang up and e speak will start talking. That is not the synthesizer I have selected. But it does talk. And it is happened on a few occasions. When he took it back to the store to let the tech look at it, it did that once, and now the tech is blaming the whole thing on NVDA. I’m sure that’s not correct, but I don’t know what to tell them.

Mary

 

 

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Re: do you know one accessible, simple to use and free audio recorder?

Gene
 

I don't know what the add on does but you don't need it to edit.  You can edit very well just using the program itself.
 
Gene

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Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] do you know one accessible, simple to use and free audio recorder?

If you only want to record in mp3 format, then mp3 Direct Cut is a great
choice.  It is free and very easy to use.  There's an nvda add on for it
to help in editing files, but for just recording, you can get by without
that if you choose.

Roger











On 11/11/2017 1:37 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> Depends what you call simple. Many do record but as often when you do
> this you next need to edit the files, then I'd still use a program
> like audacity or if you can afford a little beit Goldwave.
> There is virtual recorder but not tested it on XP as I think its aimed
> at those with sound cards that you cannot record streams from etc.
>
> If you have a mobile phone, just press record is your thing.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 6:46 PM
> Subject: [nvda] do you know one accessible, simple to use and free
> audio recorder?
>
>
>> hello every one.
>> i need one program which can record mp3, be freeware or opensource,
>> safe, reliable, simple to use, supports all windows versions since xp,
>> accessible and if possible, without extra software offering.
>> except jetaudio that i realy cant use, please help me.
>> God bless you all!
>>
>> --
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
>> indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> www.al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: do you know one accessible, simple to use and free audio recorder?

Gene
 

Mp3 Direct Cut meets all your requirements. 
 
Gene
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Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] do you know one accessible, simple to use and free audio recorder?

Depends what you call simple. Many do record but as often when you do this
you next need to edit the files, then I'd still use a program like audacity
or if you can afford a little beit Goldwave.
 There is virtual recorder but not tested it on XP as I think its aimed at
those with sound cards that you cannot record streams from etc.

If you have a mobile phone, just press record is your thing.
 Brian

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Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 6:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] do you know one accessible, simple to use and free audio
recorder?


> hello every one.
> i need one program which can record mp3, be freeware or opensource,
> safe, reliable, simple to use, supports all windows versions since xp,
> accessible and if possible, without extra software offering.
> except jetaudio that i realy cant use, please help me.
> God bless you all!
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
> indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> www.al-islam.org
>
>
>




Re: do you know one accessible, simple to use and free audio recorder?

Roger Stewart
 

If you only want to record in mp3 format, then mp3 Direct Cut is a great choice. It is free and very easy to use. There's an nvda add on for it to help in editing files, but for just recording, you can get by without that if you choose.

Roger

On 11/11/2017 1:37 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Depends what you call simple. Many do record but as often when you do this you next need to edit the files, then I'd still use a program like audacity or if you can afford a little beit Goldwave.
There is virtual recorder but not tested it on XP as I think its aimed at those with sound cards that you cannot record streams from etc.

If you have a mobile phone, just press record is your thing.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 6:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] do you know one accessible, simple to use and free audio recorder?


hello every one.
i need one program which can record mp3, be freeware or opensource,
safe, reliable, simple to use, supports all windows versions since xp,
accessible and if possible, without extra software offering.
except jetaudio that i realy cant use, please help me.
God bless you all!

--
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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org





Re: NVDA speaking even when it’s not loaded when there’s a problem with shut down

 

I hope nvda doesn't began to die now that the main developer has left
does any one know if they found a replacement developer?

On 11/11/2017 12:55 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
I have this new machine and it has NVDA on it. But in Vda does not load at start up. We are having some problems with the machine, and my husband thought he had narrowed it down to stuff screwing up when you restart rather than shutting down the machine. Anyway, with NVDA not loaded when the machine is shutting down, occasionally will hang up and e speak will start talking. That is not the synthesizer I have selected. But it does talk. And it is happened on a few occasions. When he took it back to the store to let the tech look at it, it did that once, and now the tech is blaming the whole thing on NVDA. I’m sure that’s not correct, but I don’t know what to tell them.
Mary


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Github help

Marco Oros
 

Hi!

I have a question. I know, that some of you maybe used Github. So, how to create list, like for example at one line is bullet and on another, link. How to do that?

Please, could You help Me with It?

Thank You.

Marco Oros


NVDA speaking even when it’s not loaded when there’s a problem with shut down

Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

I have this new machine and it has NVDA on it. But in Vda does not load at start up. We are having some problems with the machine, and my husband thought he had narrowed it down to stuff screwing up when you restart rather than shutting down the machine. Anyway, with NVDA not loaded when the machine is shutting down, occasionally will hang up and e speak will start talking. That is not the synthesizer I have selected. But it does talk. And it is happened on a few occasions. When he took it back to the store to let the tech look at it, it did that once, and now the tech is blaming the whole thing on NVDA. I’m sure that’s not correct, but I don’t know what to tell them.
Mary


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Re: a new browser to talk about

Brian's Mail list account
 

I did look at Vivaldi today but its not able to install on xp machines, just to save anyone trying. it comes up with the entry point not found in the kernal error that we all know and hate.

Brian

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Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a new browser to talk about


According to their blog their website waterfox will eventually have their own add-on store

As for Mozilla they have many very old extensions still hosted which are not compatible with the latest builds of Firefox

So make of that as you wish


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Subject: Re: [nvda] a new browser to talk about

Yes this was mentioned a while ago. I was hoping somebody had found out what
their intentions were on the new Quantum code. if they are not going down
that route, the next question has to be will mozilla still host old add ons
for Firefox if they want everyone to go down the new road.
If it is the same one has to wonder what the point of it is though.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 8:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] a new browser to talk about


Hay I am using this browser called water fox. Just to let you all know
water fox is just like fire fox so you don’t have to learn any thing new.
You can use fire fox add ons so you don’t have to worry about finding new
add ons that will work with the water fox browser

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Re: Beware latest CD Burner XP

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Not its been updated twice this year.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Hudson" <rob_hudson_3182@...>
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Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Beware latest CD Burner XP


Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I wonder if unchecky would prevent the installation in this case. I don't know how many people know about unchecky but it should be on peoples' machines.
How long has it been since that program has been updated, though? I was under the impression that it has been several years.


Re: nvda windows explorer windows 10 issues.

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Also if you whiz with a screeenreader and hit enter on a folder full of sound files you often hear the name of one but the sound gets played from a different one as if the underlying windows selection is behind the on screen depiction.
Of course tweaking the processor idle speed up can make one heck of a difference but this problem never existed in XP.

Seems to me the more we progress the more we go backwards sometimes.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
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Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda windows explorer windows 10 issues.


Hi,

To turn off the Preview Pane, just press Alt-P in any File Explorer window.
This is a toggle, so an Alt-P will turn it on again. If it says Not
Checked, it's off.

Yes, File Explorer is slow in anything that relies on UIA.

I don't know what FS have done, but it is significantly quicker.

All the best
Steve

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik
burggraaf
Sent: 11 November 2017 13:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda windows explorer windows 10 issues.

Hi, I just want to report that I'm seeing the poor performance in windows
10 file explorer that others are mentioning.

Symptims include:
Extremely long load times for file browsing windows, over 10 seconds on
average.
Extremely long times to access files and folders, about 5 seconds to open a
folder on average. Longer to access a file using it's associated program.
Windows explorer frequently reports not responding when tabbing between
multiple file windows.
NVDA disappears when arrowing or tabbing and has to be brought back with
control alt N.

This is an intel cherry trail 2.0 ghz machine with 2 gb ram and 32 gb solid
state storage. I don't run much on it. It was primarily designated to be a
file and cloud server and works very well for the purpose.

I have enhanced performance by taking the following steps.
Switch back to espeak from the microsoft voices.
Switch to chrome for browsing.
Turn off unnecessary services. I don't use one drive on this machine for
example so it went.

Even so, file browsing still performs poorly. It also performs poorly with
narrater running. In fact, I think it's worse with narrater because of the
performance of the microsoft voice.

So yes, I'm seeing it, but no, I'm not convinced it's an NVDA issue as such.
Sorry, I don't have time to install jaws to see if it works better.

I read earlier on in the week that some one got better performance from file
browsers by disabling UIA for file browsing. They didn't mention how they
did that though. I poked around,m but nothing jumped right out at me.
I'm not in favour of disabling accessibility api's to get better
performance, but I am in favour of doing what works. If it works, then
maybe it's an option for those of us using low end systems.

I also looked for the option to turn off windows explorer's preview peign,
but I can't find it in the ribbon. It should be in the view tab but I
haven't found it yet.

Best,

Erik









Re: come to my rescue

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Often this behaviour can be changed in a control panel app or in the bios but often it needs sighted help to fix it as default.

I am going to ask this specific question of anyone trying to sell me a laptop as unless its obvious how to fix it you can get into a right mess.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark" <mark@...>
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Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] come to my rescue


Hi yes this is normal on lots of laptops now
For example if you press f6 and F7 on a acer laptop it will turn the volume up and down you have to press fn key to get F6 on its one
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From: Marisane Moruthanyana
Sent: 11 November 2017 18:43
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] come to my rescue

Evening gentlemen

I recently bought an HP laptop running win10.

I'm, however confused by the behaviour of the function keys.

All the F1-12 keys are inverted. I mean the following:

All the F-keys have a symbol on it. Normally you would press Fn + your to use it. On this laptop, it's reversed. The symbol is what you get when you press the button normally and you have to press Fn + F-key to get the usual action and sometimes even after pressing the fn key, nothing does what one knows.

The function keys with this laptop either mute or unmute the system with function key F6, for instance, and other function keys just do what one would not want them to do.

So, if I want to refresh a webpage, instead of just F5, I have to do Fn + F5

I want to change this to regular behavior. Would you please help?

Thanking you in advance.

Marisane from SA


Re: do you know one accessible, simple to use and free audio recorder?

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Depends what you call simple. Many do record but as often when you do this you next need to edit the files, then I'd still use a program like audacity or if you can afford a little beit Goldwave.
There is virtual recorder but not tested it on XP as I think its aimed at those with sound cards that you cannot record streams from etc.

If you have a mobile phone, just press record is your thing.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
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Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 6:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] do you know one accessible, simple to use and free audio recorder?


hello every one.
i need one program which can record mp3, be freeware or opensource,
safe, reliable, simple to use, supports all windows versions since xp,
accessible and if possible, without extra software offering.
except jetaudio that i realy cant use, please help me.
God bless you all!

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Re: cdbxp

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As I have said there is a version without that on their web site under other download choices.
Its the same name with minimal on the end.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
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Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 7:25 PM
Subject: [nvda] cdbxp


Hi.

Just looked and manually got cdbxp it wanted to install some bit defence software, unchecky was on and that seemed to have got it.

To be honest though they hardly update it and to be honest I really don't use this much.