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Help with screen review command, please.

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


OK, let's start with the specs:
 
NVDA 2017.3, Windows 10 Professional 64 bit on the latest non-insider build, all updates have been successfully applied, and yes, I do have the most up to date Windows 10 Essentials.
 
OK, so here is my situation.
 
I'm using Poikosoft's EZ Audio Converter to rip a few CD's I bought back in the days.
 
That however notwithstanding, this program, in general, is super, and I do mean, super! super heavy on either screen review, or object navigation. BTW, if you're trying this with JAWS, forget it!
 
Anyway, here's what happens. With the NVDA desktop layout, I'm hitting NVDA+Numpad 7 to move to screen review, as I still am having issues getting the hang of object nav, but even the bit I do use it, it's not making things any quicker in this case.
 
I'm then pressing and holding down numpad 7 for about 2 seconds, to quickly move myself to the top line of the screen within screen review.
 
So, my first question is, rather than hitting numpad 7 over and over again, or holding it down letting key repeat take over and eventually get me to the top of the screen, is there a command within screen review mode that will move to the very top left most item on the screen?
 
Then, next, I'm hitting numpad 9 to move down a line. The rip CD icon which needs to be manually clicked with screen review mode, is at the far right of this line on the screen. Therefore, after I hit numpad 9, I'm then having to hit numpad 6 to move word by word at least a good 6 or 7 times before I hit the icon. Then, I'm having to route the mouse to my screen review with NVDA+numpad slash, then hit numpad slash to click.
 
I'm just thinking, there's gotta! be an easier way than this.
 
Typically, what I'd like is hit NVDA+numpad 7 to move to screen review, then hit one command to move to the top left of the screen, hit another command to move down one line with review, probably numpad 9, then hit another key which I don't know, to move to the end of that line within screen review. This way, rather than having to hit numpad 6 to move word by word by word across that line, I could just quickly move to the end of that line, which would then naturally focus me on the rip button, then I could simply just route my mouse, click, and presto. Done!
 
So basically, the question is, how to move to the top left corner of the screen within screen review, and then, how to move to the end of the current line within review mode's focus.
 
Chris.


creat portable copy

Vanessa Ochoa
 

hi list something terrible happened to my desktop and somebody lend me her laptop for as long as i need it it was almost three weeks without a computer and so i had to get cut up with mor than thirty thousand emails i received a feature that i really
 wantedwitch was to create a portable copy using the run command i ried many different ways of doing it but i do not understand it can somebody using the path g:\nvda or any other path you want show me how exactly to enter it tin to the run command it says path must be specified but i do not get how love this feature but have not been able to use it to my advantage
Vanessa!


Re: firefox is now chrome

 

The only issue I did have was connecting to my bt sync server, and my router in fact any device with an ip address.

I got a lot of unknowns, I assume it was a security dialog, I had to go to the address bar, shift tab once, hit the information button then allow this site always then hit reload, then it let it go through.

I do wish that security dialogs and extention add dialogs got read chrome dropps into a chrome legacy window instead of a document window and screen readers can't read legacy windows so well.

On 14/11/2017 11:00 a.m., Sally Kiebdaj wrote:
Hello Mary,


Chrome has an extension called Chromevox which acts as a screen reader. NVDA also works with Chrome, though.


Warm regards,

Sally



On 11/13/2017 4:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
So does chrome have a reader at on, rather like what you get with Safari either on a Mac or on the phone? The android version of chrome doesn’t have that, and it’s a huge disadvantage in my opinion. I’m guessing that the desktop version either has it built in or at least has an ad on.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Hi.

Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.

What an experience change.

Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every file just saves now.

And access wize there are accessibility addons.

For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.

First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats good.

I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling down pages, etc.

However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.

Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because headings for everything.

The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with adding extentions tab once and hit enter.

I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.

However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe that firefox as it stands is history with me.

Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works as needed.

I do feel sad leaving firefox though.




On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
Why do some people care so much about browser sounds?  When a page has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader automatically starts to read it.  When a page doesn't load for some reason, a lot of the time there is an error message.  When you download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining for the download.  I understand the desire to hear a sound when a download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and forgetting to check in a timely manner.  But how much of the concern with sounds is just habit?  Maybe people would be surprised if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance.  Even the download finished sound may decrease significantly in importance.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed


Hi.

Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads, sadly I
don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything else
the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud though.






.


Re: firefox is now chrome

Cristóbal
 

The nice thing about Firefox is that it has a built in function for this (alt+control_r) wihtout out having to hunt for an additional extension.

That said, the Just Read extension in Chrome seems to be working fine. There’s a bunch more stuff you can do to customise and whatnot, but all I care about is quickly getting rid of all the clutter on a site for a fast article read.

I believe someone else mentioned another extension, but I’ve only so far used this one. Shift+control+l is easy enough for me.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 3:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now chrome

 

Yes, I mean exactly what you described, Jean. And it sounds like there might be one activated with control shift l.
Mary

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 13, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

By reader add on, do you mean the feature that removes extraneous material such as blocs of links from articles?  There is nothing directly in Chrome that does that.  I tried an add on that does it awhile ago, but there was an accessibility problem, I don't remember what it was now and I couldn't use it.  others may know of a way to use it or another add on. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Mary Otten

Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 3:47 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now chrome

 

So does chrome have a reader at on, rather like what you get with Safari either on a Mac or on the phone? The android version of chrome doesn’t have that, and it’s a huge disadvantage in my opinion. I’m guessing that the desktop version either has it built in or at least has an ad on.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.
>
> What an experience change.
>
> Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every file just saves now.
>
> And access wize there are accessibility addons.
>
> For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.
>
> First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats good.
>
> I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling down pages, etc.
>
> However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.
>
> Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because headings for everything.
>
> The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with adding extentions tab once and hit enter.
>
> I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.
>
> However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe that firefox as it stands is history with me.
>
> Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works as needed.
>
> I do feel sad leaving firefox though.
>
>
>
>
>> On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
>> Why do some people care so much about browser sounds?  When a page has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader automatically starts to read it.  When a page doesn't load for some reason, a lot of the time there is an error message.  When you download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining for the download.  I understand the desire to hear a sound when a download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and forgetting to check in a timely manner.  But how much of the concern with sounds is just habit?  Maybe people would be surprised if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance.  Even the download finished sound may decrease significantly in importance.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>> From: Shaun Everiss
>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed
>>
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads, sadly I
>> don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything else
>> the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud though.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>



nvda and chrome reader mode

Josh Kennedy
 

hi

If you use chrome. then you want an addon or extension obtained from chrome webstore, called

murcury reader.

and you activate it by pressing alt grave accent, sometimes called single quote. to the left of number 1 on the top number row. this brings up a new window with a close murcury reader at the top and the article nicely formatted without links and ads and video clutter is down below. I am really starting to like chrome more than I like firefox right now. It's really fast and the free murcury reader addon lets me read articles without clutter. murcury reader also has a button that lets you send any web article directly to an amazon kindle if you have one. It's quite nice. now if we get NVDA working good in chrome with google docs sheets and slides that would be good.


Josh


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Hello will goldin cursor still be develop?

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QRead and automatic language switching

Sally Kiebdaj
 

Hello all,


Have any of you using QRead also tried reading a document in multiple languages?


I am testing it out with a textbook that automatically switches between English and German when opened in Adobe. However, it defaults to English entirely when opened in QRead.


Is this something inherent to the program and how it presents documents or is there a setting I need to tweak?


Thank you,

Sally


Re: firefox is now chrome

Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

Yes, I mean exactly what you described, Jean. And it sounds like there might be one activated with control shift l.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

By reader add on, do you mean the feature that removes extraneous material such as blocs of links from articles?  There is nothing directly in Chrome that does that.  I tried an add on that does it awhile ago, but there was an accessibility problem, I don't remember what it was now and I couldn't use it.  others may know of a way to use it or another add on. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now chrome

So does chrome have a reader at on, rather like what you get with Safari either on a Mac or on the phone? The android version of chrome doesn’t have that, and it’s a huge disadvantage in my opinion. I’m guessing that the desktop version either has it built in or at least has an ad on.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.
>
> What an experience change.
>
> Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every file just saves now.
>
> And access wize there are accessibility addons.
>
> For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.
>
> First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats good.
>
> I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling down pages, etc.
>
> However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.
>
> Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because headings for everything.
>
> The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with adding extentions tab once and hit enter.
>
> I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.
>
> However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe that firefox as it stands is history with me.
>
> Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works as needed.
>
> I do feel sad leaving firefox though.
>
>
>
>
>> On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
>> Why do some people care so much about browser sounds?  When a page has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader automatically starts to read it.  When a page doesn't load for some reason, a lot of the time there is an error message.  When you download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining for the download.  I understand the desire to hear a sound when a download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and forgetting to check in a timely manner.  But how much of the concern with sounds is just habit?  Maybe people would be surprised if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance.  Even the download finished sound may decrease significantly in importance.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>> From: Shaun Everiss
>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed
>>
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads, sadly I
>> don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything else
>> the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud though.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Quentin Christensen
 

Well, that was basically my question.  If there's something we can do to become a more attractive option to Canadian government departments, then I'd be happy to find out what the requirements may be.  If it's a flat-out no because we are open source, well at least a link clarifying that position would be useful for us to know as well.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 7:25 AM, erik burggraaf <erik@...> wrote:
Well this is interesting.  First it was insurance.  Now it's not insurance, it's procurement.  Top secret procurement which isn't particularly allowed in Canada except for possibly weapons research and development or something like that.  Procurement is public record.  So...  What department did you say she worked in?

Quenton, I'm sure the NVAccess group has the resources and knowhow to become a contractor for the Canadian Government.  It's not usually that hard, though there may be substantial red tape.  I don't believe you would have to present any kind of insurance documentation to sell them software, though you would probably have to wave liability if you were coming in to do training or something.  Insurance is for contractors hired to build new ficilities, install new plumming, electrical, or fire, maintain government vehicals and so on.

Best,

Erik



On November 13, 2017 2:23:01 PM "Mike and Jenna" <schwaltze@...> wrote:

High,

There is no open source int their catalog what so ever. 7zip is rolled in house by their IT department apart from that their policy is no open source. I wish I could post what they policy is but I had to sign an NDA before I could even work on my wife accessibility stuff.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

I've lost track of what the insurance comment was in this thread.

Please can someone point me at some official documentation to explain what the vendors have to comply with to get government contracts?

I'd be interested to know how the Canadian government manages to use any open source software if they have rules in place which would be a problem for NVDA specifically.


Antony.

On Monday 13 November 2017 at 18:42:43, Mike and Jenna wrote:

Hi,



Its more as being registered as a business and having a contract with
the federal government. You have to become a vender.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Quentin Christensen Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 2:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions



Just on the insurance thing in Canada - can anyone point me to a
reference about what it is and what's involved please?



Kind regards



Quentin.



On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io
<mailto:the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> > wrote:

nope not seeing this on any of my computers.

On 11/11/2017 05:15, Tyler Wood wrote:

Hi,

I wouldn’t either, however…

The difference in jaws and NVDA moving through explorer windows is so
drastically light and day different on the same computer. Despite what
the processor is doing jaws simply handles it whereas NVDA, by
contrast, is frustratingly slow. It’s especially telling when you use
them side by side.

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<mailto:britechguy@...> > *Sent: *November 10, 2017 10:19 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > *Subject: *Re:
[nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 05:57 pm, Tyler Wood wrote:

    I’m talking intel atom, ulv celleron, Pentium.

I would not expect screen readers to be particularly "sprightly" on
any of these processors if what they're running on top of is in any
way processing intensive.

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Re: Spellchecker Microsoft office word 2017

Quentin Christensen
 

Ok Steve,

Just for you, try pressing alt+F7 to jump between spelling errors and open the context menu with alternate suggestions.  You might like that idea since, being a Word command, you can do it in Jaws or Window-Eyes as well as NVDA :-P

If you don't want the menu open, press alt to close it again.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 4:41 AM, Rod Hutton <rod_hutton@...> wrote:

Thanks for the tip, Quentin,

 

Rod

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: November 12, 2017 10:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spellchecker Microsoft office word 2017

 

You can also jump to next spelling error using NVDA by:

- Pressing NVDA+spacebar to go into Browse mode.

- Press w to move to the next spelling error or shift+w to move to the previous spelling error.

 

Note that you'll need to go back to focus mode with NVDA+spacebar to edit text again.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Rod Hutton <rod_hutton@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

By default, MS word will highlight spelling errors automatically as you move through a document, making it unnecessary to activate the spell checker to proof a document.

I am told that sighted people see these misspelled words as underlined words, and I suppose this is what NVDA is detecting such that it can identify them for us.

Therefore, as I see it, you can move to the misspelled word in context, press the Applications key, and move through the pull-down menu and review the replacement possibilities, and one of the elements in the pull-down is the highlighted misspelled word itself for your convenience.

You can then make your choice and press Enter.

 

I hope this helps,

 

Rod

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jo Collingwood
Sent: November 9, 2017 2:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Spellchecker Microsoft office word 2017

 

Can anyone tell me how to make the wrongly spelt word in spellchecker be announced before moving to suggestions please? On office 10 NVDA read the word and sentence so you knew which word was highlighted in the dialogue box. I’ve tried read current line, say word , spell word but nothing reads so my student doesn’t know which word he is correcting at the time. The layout is different too as are the shortcuts for change and ignore



 

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Re: Zoom and NVDA

Sam Bushman
 

You get one to one connections unlimited free.

One to many (more than one connection) Up to 50 requires a paid account for longer than 40 minute calls.

Thanks,

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 3:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Zoom and NVDA

 

Well, nothing’s stopping you from using the programme for personal (non-business) use as far as I know. You can still create meetings and so on with a free account. Then someone who has the URL joins you, etc.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: November 13, 2017 4:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Zoom and NVDA

 

Well if its meant for business I'm not interested. I wish Viber was accessible with NVDA.

 

On 11/13/2017 4:30 PM, Governor staten wrote:

It is more for business use. However, they give you a free account that allows you to do some things. So, you could use it between friends and family.

 

 


 

On 11/13/2017 4:26 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

What's the URL for Zoom? I've been wanting off the Skype train for a while. If anyone knows email me at:

lino.jr@...

Thanks.

 

On 11/12/2017 10:16 PM, Derek Lane wrote:

I've mentioned this on this list before.

I've also spoken to zoom, and they told me they're talking to anything that will listen though msaa.

I believe this is so, because not only does zoom notifications read with JAWS, but they are also read in narrator under windows 10.  The rest of the client works reasonably well with it as well.

So it sounds like a tiny piece of something is missing.

If it gets fixed, maybe this would inadvertently improve access to other apps that we may not be aware of.

 

 

 

On 11/12/2017 10:02 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi,

 

In general, I would say if something doesn't work in Next, it is often worth double checking the latest stable build to make sure it's not a regression.  In terms of Zoom, I don't think we've done any work on this recently so I suspect it will be the same between versions.

 

The information in this thread is really useful and I don't want to lose it.  The best next step is to ensure this is recorded in our issue tracker: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues

 

If you are able to do that Governor Staten, that will ensure you are kept up to date with work done on this issue.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:

Just to provide more info, I"m using the latest NVDA snapshot in the Next branch. There might be a version where everything works as expected with Zoom. However, I don't know what that version of NVDA would be.

 

 


 

On 11/10/2017 4:34 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Yeah, I just started using this myself, and it does work really well with JAWS 18. I haven’t yet tried it with nVDA, but that’s on the horizon. Now I know what to expect.

 

It’s a hell of a lot better than skype, anyway. *grins*

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: November 10, 2017 2:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Zoom and NVDA

 

Hello, everyone. I wrote about this earlier. I have learned more. Zoom is perfectly accessible with JAWS 16. However, with NVDA, it is not completely so. For example, when you press alt+a to mute or un-mute audio, JAWS announces the fact that audio is either muted or un-muted, but, NVDA says nothing.

 

In edit fields, JAWS can easily review them by using arrow keys, it announces what characters you arrow to or over. With     NVDA, review of text in edit fields is not easy to do. It does not announce what character you are on when you arrow to or over characters.

 

These are issues that I believe should be seriously looked into and fixed. This is a program used in work environments, and should be used in more places due to accessibility of the product. Right now, I have to use JAWS 16 to get full access. This should not be so. I hope this one can be rectified soon.

 

p.s. I think that the issues, or some of them, might be related to ARIA. If I can help in any way to get this working, I will. Let me know how I can help.



 

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Re: firefox is now chrome

Gene
 

By reader add on, do you mean the feature that removes extraneous material such as blocs of links from articles?  There is nothing directly in Chrome that does that.  I tried an add on that does it awhile ago, but there was an accessibility problem, I don't remember what it was now and I couldn't use it.  others may know of a way to use it or another add on. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now chrome

So does chrome have a reader at on, rather like what you get with Safari either on a Mac or on the phone? The android version of chrome doesn’t have that, and it’s a huge disadvantage in my opinion. I’m guessing that the desktop version either has it built in or at least has an ad on.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.
>
> What an experience change.
>
> Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every file just saves now.
>
> And access wize there are accessibility addons.
>
> For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.
>
> First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats good.
>
> I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling down pages, etc.
>
> However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.
>
> Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because headings for everything.
>
> The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with adding extentions tab once and hit enter.
>
> I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.
>
> However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe that firefox as it stands is history with me.
>
> Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works as needed.
>
> I do feel sad leaving firefox though.
>
>
>
>
>> On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
>> Why do some people care so much about browser sounds?  When a page has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader automatically starts to read it.  When a page doesn't load for some reason, a lot of the time there is an error message.  When you download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining for the download.  I understand the desire to hear a sound when a download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and forgetting to check in a timely manner.  But how much of the concern with sounds is just habit?  Maybe people would be surprised if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance.  Even the download finished sound may decrease significantly in importance.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>> From: Shaun Everiss
>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed
>>
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads, sadly I
>> don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything else
>> the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud though.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: firefox

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Yes it is. Wait till V 58 or later to work with NVDA or if you want a real adventure download the nightly builds of V 59 and report to NV Access and see how well it works.

On 11/13/2017 5:34 PM, Don H wrote:
So is the version 57 of firefox now available?



firefox

Don H
 

So is the version 57 of firefox now available?


Re: For our friends from Iran on this list

Arlene
 

Oh no! I hope everyone's alright. If there had been an earth quake. I haven't listened to the news last night.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: November-13-17 6:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] For our friends from Iran on this list

Hello all,

I know there are some friends from Iran on this list.

I hope you are all well, after the terrible earthquake that devastated part of your country.

I don't know whether there also friends from Iraq here.

If tehre are, my thoughts and prayers go out to you as well.

I know how it feels, Here in Italy we've recently had quite a few earthquakes, some with many casualties.

Blessings to you.
Ollie


Re: Zoom and NVDA

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Well, nothing’s stopping you from using the programme for personal (non-business) use as far as I know. You can still create meetings and so on with a free account. Then someone who has the URL joins you, etc.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: November 13, 2017 4:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Zoom and NVDA

 

Well if its meant for business I'm not interested. I wish Viber was accessible with NVDA.

 

On 11/13/2017 4:30 PM, Governor staten wrote:

It is more for business use. However, they give you a free account that allows you to do some things. So, you could use it between friends and family.

 

 


 

On 11/13/2017 4:26 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

What's the URL for Zoom? I've been wanting off the Skype train for a while. If anyone knows email me at:

lino.jr@...

Thanks.

 

On 11/12/2017 10:16 PM, Derek Lane wrote:

I've mentioned this on this list before.

I've also spoken to zoom, and they told me they're talking to anything that will listen though msaa.

I believe this is so, because not only does zoom notifications read with JAWS, but they are also read in narrator under windows 10.  The rest of the client works reasonably well with it as well.

So it sounds like a tiny piece of something is missing.

If it gets fixed, maybe this would inadvertently improve access to other apps that we may not be aware of.

 

 

 

On 11/12/2017 10:02 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi,

 

In general, I would say if something doesn't work in Next, it is often worth double checking the latest stable build to make sure it's not a regression.  In terms of Zoom, I don't think we've done any work on this recently so I suspect it will be the same between versions.

 

The information in this thread is really useful and I don't want to lose it.  The best next step is to ensure this is recorded in our issue tracker: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues

 

If you are able to do that Governor Staten, that will ensure you are kept up to date with work done on this issue.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:

Just to provide more info, I"m using the latest NVDA snapshot in the Next branch. There might be a version where everything works as expected with Zoom. However, I don't know what that version of NVDA would be.

 

 


 

On 11/10/2017 4:34 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Yeah, I just started using this myself, and it does work really well with JAWS 18. I haven’t yet tried it with nVDA, but that’s on the horizon. Now I know what to expect.

 

It’s a hell of a lot better than skype, anyway. *grins*

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: November 10, 2017 2:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Zoom and NVDA

 

Hello, everyone. I wrote about this earlier. I have learned more. Zoom is perfectly accessible with JAWS 16. However, with NVDA, it is not completely so. For example, when you press alt+a to mute or un-mute audio, JAWS announces the fact that audio is either muted or un-muted, but, NVDA says nothing.

 

In edit fields, JAWS can easily review them by using arrow keys, it announces what characters you arrow to or over. With     NVDA, review of text in edit fields is not easy to do. It does not announce what character you are on when you arrow to or over characters.

 

These are issues that I believe should be seriously looked into and fixed. This is a program used in work environments, and should be used in more places due to accessibility of the product. Right now, I have to use JAWS 16 to get full access. This should not be so. I hope this one can be rectified soon.

 

p.s. I think that the issues, or some of them, might be related to ARIA. If I can help in any way to get this working, I will. Let me know how I can help.



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 

 

 


Re: firefox sort of fixed

Rui Fontes
 

By the way:
1 - Do not forget that some of us do not have english as first language;
2 - Before critizing ortographic errors, check if you are writing correctly the name of the person you want to correct...
3 - Next time, do it in private mode and not in the list!

Rui Fontes

-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Lino Morales
Data: 13 de novembro de 2017 21:56
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed

BTW Sean its browser not brouser. Take care.

On 11/13/2017 3:07 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
You are right I don't really need brouser sounds.

However the fact I can't navigate the options of the addons manager is a bit of a problem.

Download sound is fine but I just find the addon's download sound a bit to loud and can't change that.

I have pulled back to 56.02 for now as I just don't have the time to bother with web brousers just now.

Then again 57 seemed to load faster.

Noscript is the big show stopper, I like controling sites I load.

If its in google chrome I may try it and see.




On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
Why do some people care so much about browser sounds? When a page has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader automatically starts to read it. When a page doesn't load for some reason, a lot of the time there is an error message. When you download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining for the download. I understand the desire to hear a sound when a download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and forgetting to check in a timely manner. But how much of the concern with sounds is just habit? Maybe people would be surprised if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance. Even the download finished sound may decrease significantly in importance.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed


Hi.

Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads, sadly I
don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything else
the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud though.






Re: NVDA speaking even when it’s not loaded when there’s a problem with shut down

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

That's odd cause I use IMAP for both my ISP email and Gmail and I do get notified.

On 11/13/2017 4:14 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
True but imap on tbird doesn't give me notifications of mail completing.

And it never used to screw at all which is my issue.

Its fine now for example, but as soon as something weird goes with google things go down again.

The other reason I can't be bothered as for now I have only 1 device so I don't give a damn.

Now if I get a smart phone which may happen in the next 10 years or so, then I will want a chain if I need it so it will be like that I guess.




On 14/11/2017 9:06 a.m., Tyler Wood wrote:
Wo.
You’re going nuts with switching from imap to pop, or something. Probably why everything is going screwy on you to begin with lol.
I just use windows 10 mail, imap only. It simply works with gmail. No screwing around with silly settings – I thought pop was back in 2000 and didn’t even know anyone still used it.


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: November 13, 2017 12:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA speaking even when it’s not loaded when there’s a problem with shut down

Yeah I have a similar issue with mail in general.

Imap and pop fail, every so often, the local google node flakes and goes
offline, I switch to another for a bit then it pops back.

Then imap and pop fail.

Imap just comes back, but I have to switch to imap, wait 30 mins and
switch the pop devices back to pop, I have some spacifficly linked
devices I don't want active and sharing all the time namely my admin box
though if it happens again, I'm going to have to figure out why
notifications don't work in thunderbird with imap active and stick with it.

I always know when it will do it because the local google web site goes
offline 3 or 4 days later the servers die and nothing comes through till
I fiddle about.

So as much as google thinks its the big cloud, I suspect overloading
however small is going on.




On 13/11/2017 10:03 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Incidentally yesterday when I was answering in this list, emails were
arriving out of order, hence the multiple messages on the same
subject. I've been caught out this way before. I'm no closer to
finding out where emails from this list spend often almost a day
before being delivered while others get here straight away.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io" <bglists@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA speaking even when it’s not loaded when
there’s a problem with shut down


Not if when it was installed in the first place use on the log in
screen was put on, anas this is always loaded even if you do not
decide to load nvda at start up. Its a special kind of cut down
version just for secure screens.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Otten" <motten53@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA speaking even when it’s not loaded when
there’s a problem with shut down


OK, but why would it talk if it’s not loaded? If it’s never been
started up, shouldn’t it stay silent?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 11, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...>
wrote:

Hi
When the Windows log-in and lock screen come into play, a Different
NVDA profile is used to the one related to your user-id and it may
be this that is providing speech during the shut-down process.
Unless you specifically copy a modified profile across for system
usage, it will use the default synth which is E-speak.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mary Otten
Sent: 11 November 2017 19:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA speaking even when it’s not loaded when there’s
a problem with shut down

I have this new machine and it has NVDA on it. But in Vda does not
load at start up. We are having some problems with the machine, and
my husband thought he had narrowed it down to stuff screwing up when
you restart rather than shutting down the machine. Anyway, with NVDA
not loaded when the machine is shutting down, occasionally will hang
up and e speak will start talking. That is not the synthesizer I
have selected. But it does talk. And it is happened on a few
occasions. When he took it back to the store to let the tech look at
it, it did that once, and now the tech is blaming the whole thing on
NVDA. I’m sure that’s not correct, but I don’t know what to tell them.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone









.





Re: firefox is now chrome

Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

Thanks, Sally. I know about chromevox, and I’m not interested. I will use it with the regular windows screen reader. I was talking about the reader mode, where you get just the article you want to read and not all the intervening junk that shows up.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...> wrote:

Hello Mary,


Chrome has an extension called Chromevox which acts as a screen reader. NVDA also works with Chrome, though.


Warm regards,

Sally



On 11/13/2017 4:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
So does chrome have a reader at on, rather like what you get with Safari either on a Mac or on the phone? The android version of chrome doesn’t have that, and it’s a huge disadvantage in my opinion. I’m guessing that the desktop version either has it built in or at least has an ad on.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Hi.

Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.

What an experience change.

Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every file just saves now.

And access wize there are accessibility addons.

For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.

First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats good.

I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling down pages, etc.

However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.

Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because headings for everything.

The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with adding extentions tab once and hit enter.

I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.

However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe that firefox as it stands is history with me.

Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works as needed.

I do feel sad leaving firefox though.




On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
Why do some people care so much about browser sounds? When a page has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader automatically starts to read it. When a page doesn't load for some reason, a lot of the time there is an error message. When you download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining for the download. I understand the desire to hear a sound when a download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and forgetting to check in a timely manner. But how much of the concern with sounds is just habit? Maybe people would be surprised if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance. Even the download finished sound may decrease significantly in importance.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed


Hi.

Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads, sadly I
don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything else
the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud though.







Re: firefox is now chrome

Sally Kiebdaj
 

Hello Mary,


Chrome has an extension called Chromevox which acts as a screen reader. NVDA also works with Chrome, though.


Warm regards,

Sally

On 11/13/2017 4:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
So does chrome have a reader at on, rather like what you get with Safari either on a Mac or on the phone? The android version of chrome doesn’t have that, and it’s a huge disadvantage in my opinion. I’m guessing that the desktop version either has it built in or at least has an ad on.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Hi.

Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.

What an experience change.

Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every file just saves now.

And access wize there are accessibility addons.

For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.

First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats good.

I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling down pages, etc.

However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.

Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because headings for everything.

The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with adding extentions tab once and hit enter.

I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.

However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe that firefox as it stands is history with me.

Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works as needed.

I do feel sad leaving firefox though.




On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
Why do some people care so much about browser sounds? When a page has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader automatically starts to read it. When a page doesn't load for some reason, a lot of the time there is an error message. When you download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining for the download. I understand the desire to hear a sound when a download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and forgetting to check in a timely manner. But how much of the concern with sounds is just habit? Maybe people would be surprised if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance. Even the download finished sound may decrease significantly in importance.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed


Hi.

Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads, sadly I
don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything else
the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud though.




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