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Re: firefox what was the fuss exactly?
Kwork
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Well said, Gene, and something that could be
applied to other areas of life that would become off topic here.
Do I use Firefox with the navigational sounds
extension? Yes.
Would I miss it if it truly became out of date? Yes.
Would I hope it would come back? Yes.
If not, would I see if another one existed? Yes.
Would I cry about it and go boo hoo? No.
Would I quit using Firefox if I couldn't find a replacement, or a working
alternative? No.
For me, the navigational sounds are a convenience, not a necessity.
After all, I do use Chrome on occasion, and have not found a sounds extention,
nor have I really searched that hard as my Chrome usage pales next to my Firefox
usage, and I wouldn't die if I didn't find one.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly? I want to make my position clear and discuss
another aspect of the current situation in this rather long
message.
If people want to use sounds, there is nothing
wrong with that but you don't need them and my position is that being so
dependent on them that you make that a major determining factor on what browser
to use is being too dependent. That's my position. I didn't say they
are worthless nor that people shouldn't use them. I'm talking about being
too dependent on one aspect of a program when that aspect isn't central to the
program and when there may be better programs in general that don't have this
specific characteristic.
I'm saying that if someone considers sounds in
browsers to be so important that that is a major factor in deciding what browser
to use, I consider that to be too dependent. There are other efficient
ways to tell things when using a browser. If a page hasn't loaded, you
can't move around. Tabbing or down arrowing once or twice will tell
you. I'm not saying, as you said, that they are pointless. I'm
saying that almost anything sounds do, can be either efficiently inferred or
checked by other methods and that changing from one browser to another based
either only or largely on sounds, is making this one characteristic of a browser
too important.
I don't want my position to be misunderstood. If
people want to use sounds, then that's fine; I'm saying that dependence on
them to an excessive degree is not desirable if it leads to decisions on what
programs to use in a certain class when trying to decide between program a and b
that do roughly the same thing. Browsers have various advantages and
disadvantages and sound is only one aspect of a program.
Also, the changes being made in
firefox, according to a review I've read, make it even faster than Chrome.
It isn't much faster, at least now, and I don't think it matters but if people
read the article about these changes posted last week from Marco's Accessibility
blog, these changes may result in screen-readers being far more capable to work
on complex pages that have embedded programs or where the pages are far more
interactive than traditional web pages, and that increasing numbers of web pages
are, and will be more complex over time. Therefore, I find the attitude of
blaming Mozilla for what it says it intends to be only a temporary loss of
performance for blind users, and writing as though they are going to permanently
use a different browser without even seeing the results of the work being done
is disturbing. At the moment, Chrome may be better than Firefoxs in its
latest version because of the changes. But blind people may be better
served by what Mozilla is doing after the initial inconvenience.
How often do sighted people
complain about things like road construction and repair, but would they never
use the road again because of the temporary inconvenience? They may use a
different road during the repairs and the road may even be closed at times, but
they return to it when it is in good order again.
Gene
----- Original Message
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly? page, though most of the menus still worked. I'm not inclined to update since I use the sound, particularly the one when a page has fully loaded and the one that tells me a link has in fact activated and of course download complete I have seen elsewhere where people think these sounds are pointless. I dispute this as everyone is different and I really only use browsers where I can actually hear that things are going on. for example I've always noticed that screenreaders sometimes do not figure out the page has loaded, but navigational sounds does and hence allows me to re focus the screenreader. Also I would not know if a download had completed if the download pane was hidden without a sound. Some links click but clickables do not so sometimes you can figure out what is which sort of link on a page this way. In a way it would be even better if button link and clickable had different sounds to save one getting confused. I think the list of things some of us want in a browser is obviously going to be different to what the sighted want, so one will really need somebody at Mozilla etc to write blind specific add ons for a browser. Its far easier when trying to teach somebody how to use a browser to be able to say, if you do not hear x then its not worked. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:42 PM Subject: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly? > Hi. > > Well While brousing firefox ftp today I decided to try firefox 57 as it > was on releases today. > > What exactly was the fuss? > > Firefox interface loads fast, no lag, but I havn't tried big sites maybe a > couple seconds for audiogames forum. > > Addons, noscript, aparently this will not work till actual release of > firefox. > > Navigational sounds. > > I am trying to find a replacement, the author of this said that because > the new interface doesn't allow for registry access one can't get the list > of events to do things with. > > I tried 3 of them so far. > > Notification sound, noise and download sound. > > Download sound has no options or rather any way I can configure it to > suit. > > Noise has options but there are no default events set and I tried to add > what I wanted and define its sounds but I can't set values and going to > its website found that while there is a web version all features are > basically not there. > > Notification sound is another, but its got no options screen. > > Something like noise would be fine if it had an default event list which > just used the windows schemes directly to the files etc. > > I only need web navigation start and end, and download complete as a > start. > > If there was a way I could easily add events, or something that would be > good but I'd like a list for beginners I could import. > > Over those though, I did notice and turn on the extra privacy protection, > I have left active the unwanted software protection but I heard from some > that this can cause problems. > > I also read the article about accessibility services and how they can be > misused. > > It does say if you have a compatible jaws or nvda active on your system > that you should leave this active. > > This is interesting, dolphin stuff is not on this list it makes me wander, > while I do use dolphin stuff myself for things their web stuff is only for > ie and ie 6-8 mainly. > > Still its an observation only. > > I must say off the bat what I really like about firefox are the easy > option layouts, I just wish there was a way to extend them to well have > extras for addons rather than mucking about with the manager. > > I do like the fact you can have arrow navigation on. > > I did get noscript revived but when I hit a site with scripts on it never > actually notified me at all. > > I guess I have to fiddle with it, I do hope thatnoscript does go out and > get released. > > Today is the 14th in nz and tomorrow it will be 14th in us and so, I am > probably going to have to keep firefox 57 loaded though I am tempted to > drop back to 56.02 for now and get my sounds back. > > > > >
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Re: Test email
Lawrence Stoler
I received your test e-mail. I hope this reply helps.
Sincerely,
Lawrence Stoler
On 11/14/2017 7:04 AM, inam din wrote:
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Test email
inam din <inam092@...>
Dear NVDA users, This is a test email. The matter of fact is that I have refreshed my system some ten days a go. Since then I have not been receiving any kind of emails from the list. Please reply me if any one of you receives my email. With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID: Charlsdarwin1
Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
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Re: firefox what was the fuss exactly?
Gene
I want to make my position clear and discuss
another aspect of the current situation in this rather long
message.
If people want to use sounds, there is nothing
wrong with that but you don't need them and my position is that being so
dependent on them that you make that a major determining factor on what browser
to use is being too dependent. That's my position. I didn't say they
are worthless nor that people shouldn't use them. I'm talking about being
too dependent on one aspect of a program when that aspect isn't central to the
program and when there may be better programs in general that don't have this
specific characteristic.
I'm saying that if someone considers sounds in
browsers to be so important that that is a major factor in deciding what browser
to use, I consider that to be too dependent. There are other efficient
ways to tell things when using a browser. If a page hasn't loaded, you
can't move around. Tabbing or down arrowing once or twice will tell
you. I'm not saying, as you said, that they are pointless. I'm
saying that almost anything sounds do, can be either efficiently inferred or
checked by other methods and that changing from one browser to another based
either only or largely on sounds, is making this one characteristic of a browser
too important.
I don't want my position to be misunderstood. If
people want to use sounds, then that's fine; I'm saying that dependence on
them to an excessive degree is not desirable if it leads to decisions on what
programs to use in a certain class when trying to decide between program a and b
that do roughly the same thing. Browsers have various advantages and
disadvantages and sound is only one aspect of a program.
Also, the changes being made in
firefox, according to a review I've read, make it even faster than Chrome.
It isn't much faster, at least now, and I don't think it matters but if people
read the article about these changes posted last week from Marco's Accessibility
blog, these changes may result in screen-readers being far more capable to work
on complex pages that have embedded programs or where the pages are far more
interactive than traditional web pages, and that increasing numbers of web pages
are, and will be more complex over time. Therefore, I find the attitude of
blaming Mozilla for what it says it intends to be only a temporary loss of
performance for blind users, and writing as though they are going to permanently
use a different browser without even seeing the results of the work being done
is disturbing. At the moment, Chrome may be better than Firefoxs in its
latest version because of the changes. But blind people may be better
served by what Mozilla is doing after the initial inconvenience.
How often do sighted people
complain about things like road construction and repair, but would they never
use the road again because of the temporary inconvenience? They may use a
different road during the repairs and the road may even be closed at times, but
they return to it when it is in good order again.
Gene
----- Original Message
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly? page, though most of the menus still worked. I'm not inclined to update since I use the sound, particularly the one when a page has fully loaded and the one that tells me a link has in fact activated and of course download complete I have seen elsewhere where people think these sounds are pointless. I dispute this as everyone is different and I really only use browsers where I can actually hear that things are going on. for example I've always noticed that screenreaders sometimes do not figure out the page has loaded, but navigational sounds does and hence allows me to re focus the screenreader. Also I would not know if a download had completed if the download pane was hidden without a sound. Some links click but clickables do not so sometimes you can figure out what is which sort of link on a page this way. In a way it would be even better if button link and clickable had different sounds to save one getting confused. I think the list of things some of us want in a browser is obviously going to be different to what the sighted want, so one will really need somebody at Mozilla etc to write blind specific add ons for a browser. Its far easier when trying to teach somebody how to use a browser to be able to say, if you do not hear x then its not worked. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:42 PM Subject: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly? > Hi. > > Well While brousing firefox ftp today I decided to try firefox 57 as it > was on releases today. > > What exactly was the fuss? > > Firefox interface loads fast, no lag, but I havn't tried big sites maybe a > couple seconds for audiogames forum. > > Addons, noscript, aparently this will not work till actual release of > firefox. > > Navigational sounds. > > I am trying to find a replacement, the author of this said that because > the new interface doesn't allow for registry access one can't get the list > of events to do things with. > > I tried 3 of them so far. > > Notification sound, noise and download sound. > > Download sound has no options or rather any way I can configure it to > suit. > > Noise has options but there are no default events set and I tried to add > what I wanted and define its sounds but I can't set values and going to > its website found that while there is a web version all features are > basically not there. > > Notification sound is another, but its got no options screen. > > Something like noise would be fine if it had an default event list which > just used the windows schemes directly to the files etc. > > I only need web navigation start and end, and download complete as a > start. > > If there was a way I could easily add events, or something that would be > good but I'd like a list for beginners I could import. > > Over those though, I did notice and turn on the extra privacy protection, > I have left active the unwanted software protection but I heard from some > that this can cause problems. > > I also read the article about accessibility services and how they can be > misused. > > It does say if you have a compatible jaws or nvda active on your system > that you should leave this active. > > This is interesting, dolphin stuff is not on this list it makes me wander, > while I do use dolphin stuff myself for things their web stuff is only for > ie and ie 6-8 mainly. > > Still its an observation only. > > I must say off the bat what I really like about firefox are the easy > option layouts, I just wish there was a way to extend them to well have > extras for addons rather than mucking about with the manager. > > I do like the fact you can have arrow navigation on. > > I did get noscript revived but when I hit a site with scripts on it never > actually notified me at all. > > I guess I have to fiddle with it, I do hope thatnoscript does go out and > get released. > > Today is the 14th in nz and tomorrow it will be 14th in us and so, I am > probably going to have to keep firefox 57 loaded though I am tempted to > drop back to 56.02 for now and get my sounds back. > > > > >
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Re: create portable copy
Kwork
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Yes, and this is very important. Some programs,
Calibre for instance, in their portable versions, and I think Firefox too, will
create a folder on their own. NVDA does not. If you don't create a folder ahead
of time for it where you want it to go, you could splatter the NVDA files all
over the root of your hard drive, program files, or whatever folder you choose
without creating an NVDA subdirectory. I learned that the hard way.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] create portable copy But if you type a path, create a folder first, just
for the portable version. In general, programs put themselves in a folder
they create at the end of a path you specify, though you can't assume
that. NVDA doesn't, and the files are placed in the last folder of the
path you specify. So, if the path is c:\misc, that's m I s c, and
you stop there, the files and folders created will be all over the misc
folder. In this case, misc, m I s c, is the name for my
miscellaneous folder. If you create a folder first in that folder, such as
NVDA, and write the path as follows,
c:\misc\nvda
the folders and files will be placed in the NVDA
folder.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] creat portable copy Hi Vanessa,
1. Press NVDA+n to open the NVDA menu
2. Press T for the tools menu
3. Choose the "Create portable copy" item.
Alternatively, if NVDA isn't running, you can run the setup file that you
download from the website and press the "Create portable copy" button from the
setup screen.
Either way, it will ask for a path, that's when you put in whatever path
you want, such as G:\NVDA as you noted
Regards
Quentin. On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Vanessa Ochoa via
Groups.Io <barroyo22@...> wrote:
Quentin
Christensen
Training and Support Manager Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification
now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Re: Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display
erik burggraaf <erik@...>
I think you have to look at it like this. When a Perkins brailler costs $800, and a refreshable braille display costs $400, the Braille display becomes instantly attractive in learning environments.
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Cursor tracking would be nice, but six dots is all you need to start teaching people how to use the code. We streamlined learning of Braille into technology. We substantially reduce paper waste. We slash both the upfront and long-term cost, and we make Braille relevant to Consumers who would otherwise wonder why they are taking the time to learn it. For myself, I really need 8 dot Computer Braille, and cursor tracking in my classes. So, this device will not be great for me; however, I think it's great that one of these is actually going to hit the market. I hope when they start recovering some of their R&D costs, they will expand the size, add the cursor tracking feature is, and make it a little bit more relevant to Advanced Braille users.
On November 14, 2017 7:29:01 AM "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
Hi, Yeah eight dots isn't there, which makes it a bit half-baked, but it will be nice to have a cheaper option. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 14 November 2017 09:16 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display Is this going to be another one like the last el cheapo one that everyone is still waiting to get? Wee only six dots, I thought 8 was needed for computer Braille to allow info like cursor position etc. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cristóbal" <crismunoz54@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display It literally says $399.00 in the original email message.
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Can I shorten pauses following punctuation?
Ann Byrne
NVDA's response is crisp and accurate when I move from line to line or application to application. However, when I read a document the pause before the next word is longer than I would like. Is there a place in the settings to shorten the pause?
Thanks, Ann
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Re: nvda and chrome reader mode
Steve Nutt
Hi,
Your Email got through and I replied to it.
All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: 14 November 2017 10:37 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode
Dear Steve I joined the Access chrome list to report the Accessibility issues with Chrome but I am not getting emails. The email confirming I have joined points me to a web page where I can see postings. However none are coming through to me as an actual email in Windows Mail. There is also no posting email in the confirmation email. Is there any way I can make this group like a normal email group? I personally hate web forums. David Griffith My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
From: Steve Nutt
Hi,
I’ve liked Chrome a lot better for a long while, and it’s faster too.
All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
hi If you use chrome. then you want an addon or extension obtained from chrome webstore, called murcury reader. and you activate it by pressing alt grave accent, sometimes called single quote. to the left of number 1 on the top number row. this brings up a new window with a close murcury reader at the top and the article nicely formatted without links and ads and video clutter is down below. I am really starting to like chrome more than I like firefox right now. It's really fast and the free murcury reader addon lets me read articles without clutter. murcury reader also has a button that lets you send any web article directly to an amazon kindle if you have one. It's quite nice. now if we get NVDA working good in chrome with google docs sheets and slides that would be good.
Josh
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Re: Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display
Steve Nutt
Hi,
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Yeah eight dots isn't there, which makes it a bit half-baked, but it will be nice to have a cheaper option. All the best Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 14 November 2017 09:16 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display Is this going to be another one like the last el cheapo one that everyone is still waiting to get? Wee only six dots, I thought 8 was needed for computer Braille to allow info like cursor position etc. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cristóbal" <crismunoz54@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display It literally says $399.00 in the original email message.
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Re: Help with screen review command, please.
Lisa P Geibel
Hi all,
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How can you activate something when you land on it. This is an issue I'm having and can't figure it out. I unfortunately have to resort to the use of JAWS for this as I can route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then hit the left mouse key twice to activate it. Is there a way to do this with NVDA? Lisa lisapgeibel429@gmail.com Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429 Live Wire Plus box where you can hear the breaking TV News line with bulletin board 164 or leave a voice mail message with option 1 917-259-1911 Press 4 once you've dialed in to access the bulletin boards or you can access my tree with option 5 and hear our wedding from there with option 2 May YHWH bless everyone!!!
On 11/13/17 8:56 PM, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Shift numpad7 and shift numpad3 are what you want.
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Re: QRead and automatic language switching
Mallard <mallard@...>
Hello,
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I've also used Qread for years, but I don't think you can switch languages automatically, because the language tags that cause that to happen are probably removed when the text is parsed by Qread. In actual fact, though, I've never really tried, so I can't be absolutely sure of this. I'll test it and report back. I have disabled the automatic language detection at the moment. I'll test and report back. Ciao, Ollie
Il 14/11/2017 00:11, Sally Kiebdaj ha scritto:
Hello all,
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Re: nvda and chrome reader mode
David Griffith
Dear Steve I joined the Access chrome list to report the Accessibility issues with Chrome but I am not getting emails. The email confirming I have joined points me to a web page where I can see postings. However none are coming through to me as an actual email in Windows Mail. There is also no posting email in the confirmation email. Is there any way I can make this group like a normal email group? I personally hate web forums. David Griffith My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: 14 November 2017 08:44 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode
Hi,
I’ve liked Chrome a lot better for a long while, and it’s faster too.
All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
hi If you use chrome. then you want an addon or extension obtained from chrome webstore, called murcury reader. and you activate it by pressing alt grave accent, sometimes called single quote. to the left of number 1 on the top number row. this brings up a new window with a close murcury reader at the top and the article nicely formatted without links and ads and video clutter is down below. I am really starting to like chrome more than I like firefox right now. It's really fast and the free murcury reader addon lets me read articles without clutter. murcury reader also has a button that lets you send any web article directly to an amazon kindle if you have one. It's quite nice. now if we get NVDA working good in chrome with google docs sheets and slides that would be good.
Josh
-- sent with mozilla thunderbird
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Re: firefox what was the fuss exactly?
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
The one to untick on normal firefox is the one that stops software being downloaded that firefoxthinks is not usually downloaded which seemms to be most things most of the time.
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Brian issue is that it bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly? hello.
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Re: nvda and chrome reader mode
David Moore
Yes! I have been using Chrome for two years, and I have always had all good things to say about it. It is so fast, that is what I could not believe when I starting using it. Downloads go almost twice as fast, and I can open web sites much faster. David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:44 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode
Hi,
I’ve liked Chrome a lot better for a long while, and it’s faster too.
All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
hi If you use chrome. then you want an addon or extension obtained from chrome webstore, called murcury reader. and you activate it by pressing alt grave accent, sometimes called single quote. to the left of number 1 on the top number row. this brings up a new window with a close murcury reader at the top and the article nicely formatted without links and ads and video clutter is down below. I am really starting to like chrome more than I like firefox right now. It's really fast and the free murcury reader addon lets me read articles without clutter. murcury reader also has a button that lets you send any web article directly to an amazon kindle if you have one. It's quite nice. now if we get NVDA working good in chrome with google docs sheets and slides that would be good.
Josh
-- sent with mozilla thunderbird
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Re: NVDA speaking even when it’s not loaded when there’s a problem with shut down
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I have no issues though normally its going to be explorer windows, master seeker and goldwave or often word Outlook express and wordpad when getting stuff from emails to put into a word doc, sometimes Firefox as well for the same reason.
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I also have several windows open when preparing audio content for upload to the website etc as well. The only issue sometimes is that the creeping windows rot can set in. the first hing you notice is context menus stop reading then the nvda menu will be silent. Save everything then reboot windows. Normally you hear nvda say, some program is not responding lose wait or go back to windows. I normally force close at this point as when everything comes back all is well. Obviously a program has stamped over something vital for accessibility and you stand no chance of figuring out what. Its a long running issue common to dolphin and nvda and has been around since xp days, so I'd suggest its just not on anyone's radar to fix it. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA speaking even when it’s not loaded when there’s a problem with shut down Thats only a problem if you constantly handle more than 2 windows.
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Re: firefox what was the fuss exactly?
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
You will need to remove and reload them as with other add ons. I did but as I said despite not changing anything windows 7 seemed to just stop me from accessing anything on the web page at all.
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Has anyone else tried this? If there is a portable version of 57 that would be good after all if its banning registry entry, it could in effect use a compact registry of its own in portable mode. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:42 PM Subject: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly? Hi.
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Re: Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display
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Is this going to be another one like the last el cheapo one that everyone is still waiting to get?
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Wee only six dots, I thought 8 was needed for computer Braille to allow info like cursor position etc. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Cristóbal" <crismunoz54@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display It literally says $399.00 in the original email message.
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Re: braille me affordable braille display
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And this is of use without details because??
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From: "Josh Kennedy" <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:50 PM Subject: [nvda] braille me affordable braille display hello
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Re: firefox what was the fuss exactly?
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Well the beta I tried simply refused to say anything but unknown on any page, though most of the menus still worked.
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I'm not inclined to update since I use the sound, particularly the one when a page has fully loaded and the one that tells me a link has in fact activated and of course download complete I have seen elsewhere where people think these sounds are pointless. I dispute this as everyone is different and I really only use browsers where I can actually hear that things are going on. for example I've always noticed that screenreaders sometimes do not figure out the page has loaded, but navigational sounds does and hence allows me to re focus the screenreader. Also I would not know if a download had completed if the download pane was hidden without a sound. Some links click but clickables do not so sometimes you can figure out what is which sort of link on a page this way. In a way it would be even better if button link and clickable had different sounds to save one getting confused. I think the list of things some of us want in a browser is obviously going to be different to what the sighted want, so one will really need somebody at Mozilla etc to write blind specific add ons for a browser. Its far easier when trying to teach somebody how to use a browser to be able to say, if you do not hear x then its not worked. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:42 PM Subject: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly? Hi.
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Re: firefox sort of fixed
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Each to their own then.
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From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed I agree with Gene. Heck I've not used any sound nav add-ons for oh I'd say almost a year and its fine and yep I use FF and Edge with NVDA. The only sounds I care about are the Action Center notification and mail in Thunderbird.
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