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Re: Firefox 57 Update: My Analysis

Kwork
 

Ron, very interesting read here, and thanks for your thoughtful testing with
various sites. While I know others' results will vary, another message right
above yours saying the new update had made their NVDA unusable on it, it
does make for an interesting read.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 7:56 AM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox 57 Update: My Analysis


Hi Group,


Well, it's finally here: the much talked about full release of Firefox
57. I opened Firefox shortly after 7:00 AM Eastern Time USA this
morning and got the update Firefox dialogue. I am now running Firefox 57.0.


Here are some of the conditions under which I am running Firefox 57.0
full release.

Windows 10 latest update version 17.09

8 core 64 bit Intel composite machine

12 GB RAM 13.8 GB Virtual memory.

Firefox 32 bit version.


Here is my basic analysis.


I first tried a run of the mill web page--an old still functional local
ISP that offers dial-up service and has low graphics and is not very
cluttered: The Blue Moon Internet System: http://www.bluemoon.net. The
navigation and overall performance was normal--I did not notice anything
different from earlier versions of Firefox.


Being somewhat encouraged, I next visited one of my favorite sites
espn.com and one of its sub pages for NFL articles:
https://espn.com/nfl. This site is fairly cluttered but usually very
simple to navigate. Again, I had no real issues. Navigational keys,
automatic reading and other basics operated normally.


I then got a little bolder. I visited the CNN website:
https://cnn.com. It might have taken a little longer time to load than
normal, but I don't visit that site very often, so I am really not
sure. It seemed relatively normal with perhaps a small lag--2 or 3
seconds maybe. Once the page loaded, I had no real issues. I was able
to click on various section: world, USA, sports, breaking news, ETC. I
chose to read the article about the coup in Zimbabwe--that deposed long
time and ailing President Robert Magobbi. Everything seemed to work
normally.


I then got real brave and visited the Yahoo sports page:
https://sports.yahoo.com. This site hasn't worked very well for years.
The page refreshes quite often--about every 30 seconds to a minute--even
moreso during active sports events. This site also has the habbit of
moving to the search field and activating forms/edit mode with every
page load. All these aspects of this page were evident with Firefox 57,
but they weren't any worse than with earlier versions of Firefox. I
really wish Yahoo would fix these pages. Even using JAWS 17, the
suppress web page refreshes hasn't worked in years and still
doesn't--but I digress.


I then visited various live streaming pages which had accessible
embedded players: Democracy Now: https://democracynow.org and AM 740
Toronto: https://zoomerradio.ca. Both these sites read normally and the
embedded players showed buttons and I could activate, play, pause and
control volumes as normal. There were no significant issues.


Finally, it has been reported that the downloads window does not read in
Firefox 57. I tried downloading a small fie of 11 MB in size from the
file storage site Send Space: https://www.sendspace.com. The download
window showed up normally and I saw the progress as usual. Again, there
was no significant difference from ealrier versions of Firefox.


Conclusion and possible causality:


I see very little difference using Firefox 57 with my current system.
There may be a bit of sluggishness on sum pages, but not very much. The
causes I am going to site are simply educated guesses--nothing more.
You will see that I am using the 32 bit version of Firefox. I believe
there is a 64 bit, but I have lways been warned off from using this
version. I have always used a 32 bit version and had very good
results. Maybe if some people are using the 64 bit version on a 64 bit
system, that could cause issue. In addition, my system is a reasonably
fast system. With 8 core and a lot of RAM and virtual memory, it is a
real speed demon. The system boots in about 25 seconds from a cold
boot. Programs launch rapidly and seldom lock up. Although Gene Asner
might bite me (we've had debates over fast VS slow systems and how they
affect other programs) I am wondering if my fast system mitigates issues
with Firefox sluggishness and bad performance that others are having.
(sorry Gene only kidding!) Again, this is simply an educated guess, but
there must be some intrinsic issue on more than a few systems running
Firefox 57 that are causing all these negative reports that I am
receiving on this and other mailing lists for the blind.


Hopefully, this analysis will induce others to give Firefox 57 a try and
allay some of the fear associated with it's installation.



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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: nvda and chrome reader mode

Gene
 

Keep in mind that that is one person's experience and you need a good sample of experiences to generalize.  I see no difference in download speeds nor in items opening.  That , too, is one person's experience and neither report taken together or singly, is anything like a sample on which to draw conclusions.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode

Yes!

I have been using Chrome for two years, and I have always had all good things to say about it.

It is so fast, that is what I could not believe when I starting using it.

Downloads go almost twice as fast, and I can open web sites much faster.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode

 

Hi,

 

I’ve liked Chrome a lot better for a long while, and it’s faster too.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 13 November 2017 23:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode

 

hi

If you use chrome. then you want an addon or extension obtained from chrome webstore, called

murcury reader.

and you activate it by pressing alt grave accent, sometimes called single quote. to the left of number 1 on the top number row. this brings up a new window with a close murcury reader at the top and the article nicely formatted without links and ads and video clutter is down below. I am really starting to like chrome more than I like firefox right now. It's really fast and the free murcury reader addon lets me read articles without clutter. murcury reader also has a button that lets you send any web article directly to an amazon kindle if you have one. It's quite nice. now if we get NVDA working good in chrome with google docs sheets and slides that would be good.

 

Josh

 

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firefox 57 not working / desperate

Richard Kuzma
 

Good morning,

I see you guys have firefox 57 working, mine is not

It installed and updated and now says something about information is not displayable in tab view and  to update screen reader and so on.

I tried with nvda and jaws,

Using windows seven, can someone help

Thanks

 


Re: nvda and chrome reader mode

Gene
 

Do you know that firefox has this feature built in? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:38 PM
Subject: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode

hi

If you use chrome. then you want an addon or extension obtained from chrome webstore, called

murcury reader.

and you activate it by pressing alt grave accent, sometimes called single quote. to the left of number 1 on the top number row. this brings up a new window with a close murcury reader at the top and the article nicely formatted without links and ads and video clutter is down below. I am really starting to like chrome more than I like firefox right now. It's really fast and the free murcury reader addon lets me read articles without clutter. murcury reader also has a button that lets you send any web article directly to an amazon kindle if you have one. It's quite nice. now if we get NVDA working good in chrome with google docs sheets and slides that would be good.


Josh


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Re: Firefox 57 Update: My Analysis

 

You have a beast of a machine. It runs well enough on mine. Due to processor in my netbook, there is probably more lag than should exist.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 15, 2017, at 9:56 AM, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:

Hi Group,


Well, it's finally here: the much talked about full release of Firefox 57. I opened Firefox shortly after 7:00 AM Eastern Time USA this morning and got the update Firefox dialogue. I am now running Firefox 57.0.


Here are some of the conditions under which I am running Firefox 57.0 full release.

Windows 10 latest update version 17.09

8 core 64 bit Intel composite machine

12 GB RAM 13.8 GB Virtual memory.

Firefox 32 bit version.


Here is my basic analysis.


I first tried a run of the mill web page--an old still functional local ISP that offers dial-up service and has low graphics and is not very cluttered: The Blue Moon Internet System: http://www.bluemoon.net. The navigation and overall performance was normal--I did not notice anything different from earlier versions of Firefox.


Being somewhat encouraged, I next visited one of my favorite sites espn.com and one of its sub pages for NFL articles: https://espn.com/nfl. This site is fairly cluttered but usually very simple to navigate. Again, I had no real issues. Navigational keys, automatic reading and other basics operated normally.


I then got a little bolder. I visited the CNN website: https://cnn.com. It might have taken a little longer time to load than normal, but I don't visit that site very often, so I am really not sure. It seemed relatively normal with perhaps a small lag--2 or 3 seconds maybe. Once the page loaded, I had no real issues. I was able to click on various section: world, USA, sports, breaking news, ETC. I chose to read the article about the coup in Zimbabwe--that deposed long time and ailing President Robert Magobbi. Everything seemed to work normally.


I then got real brave and visited the Yahoo sports page: https://sports.yahoo.com. This site hasn't worked very well for years. The page refreshes quite often--about every 30 seconds to a minute--even moreso during active sports events. This site also has the habbit of moving to the search field and activating forms/edit mode with every page load. All these aspects of this page were evident with Firefox 57, but they weren't any worse than with earlier versions of Firefox. I really wish Yahoo would fix these pages. Even using JAWS 17, the suppress web page refreshes hasn't worked in years and still doesn't--but I digress.


I then visited various live streaming pages which had accessible embedded players: Democracy Now: https://democracynow.org and AM 740 Toronto: https://zoomerradio.ca. Both these sites read normally and the embedded players showed buttons and I could activate, play, pause and control volumes as normal. There were no significant issues.


Finally, it has been reported that the downloads window does not read in Firefox 57. I tried downloading a small fie of 11 MB in size from the file storage site Send Space: https://www.sendspace.com. The download window showed up normally and I saw the progress as usual. Again, there was no significant difference from ealrier versions of Firefox.


Conclusion and possible causality:


I see very little difference using Firefox 57 with my current system. There may be a bit of sluggishness on sum pages, but not very much. The causes I am going to site are simply educated guesses--nothing more. You will see that I am using the 32 bit version of Firefox. I believe there is a 64 bit, but I have lways been warned off from using this version. I have always used a 32 bit version and had very good results. Maybe if some people are using the 64 bit version on a 64 bit system, that could cause issue. In addition, my system is a reasonably fast system. With 8 core and a lot of RAM and virtual memory, it is a real speed demon. The system boots in about 25 seconds from a cold boot. Programs launch rapidly and seldom lock up. Although Gene Asner might bite me (we've had debates over fast VS slow systems and how they affect other programs) I am wondering if my fast system mitigates issues with Firefox sluggishness and bad performance that others are having. (sorry Gene only kidding!) Again, this is simply an educated guess, but there must be some intrinsic issue on more than a few systems running Firefox 57 that are causing all these negative reports that I am receiving on this and other mailing lists for the blind.


Hopefully, this analysis will induce others to give Firefox 57 a try and allay some of the fear associated with it's installation.



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"




Firefox 57 Update: My Analysis

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


Well, it's finally here: the much talked about full release of Firefox 57.  I opened Firefox shortly after 7:00 AM Eastern Time USA this morning and got the update Firefox dialogue.  I am now running Firefox 57.0.


Here are some of the conditions under which I am running Firefox 57.0 full release.

Windows 10 latest update version 17.09

8 core 64 bit Intel composite machine

12 GB RAM 13.8 GB Virtual memory.

Firefox 32 bit version.


Here is my basic analysis.


I first tried a run of the mill web page--an old still functional local ISP that offers dial-up service and has low graphics and is not very cluttered: The Blue Moon Internet System: http://www.bluemoon.net.  The navigation and overall performance was normal--I did not notice anything different from earlier versions of Firefox.


Being somewhat encouraged, I next visited one of my favorite sites espn.com and one of its sub pages for NFL articles: https://espn.com/nfl.  This site is fairly cluttered but usually very simple to navigate.  Again, I had no real issues. Navigational keys, automatic reading and other basics operated normally.


I then got a little bolder.  I visited the CNN website: https://cnn.com.  It might have taken a little longer time to load than normal, but I don't visit that site very often, so I am really not sure.  It seemed relatively normal with perhaps a small lag--2 or 3 seconds maybe.  Once the page loaded, I had no real issues.  I was able to click on various section: world, USA, sports, breaking news, ETC.  I chose to read the article about the coup in Zimbabwe--that deposed long time and ailing President Robert Magobbi.  Everything seemed to work normally.


I then got real brave and visited the Yahoo sports page: https://sports.yahoo.com.  This site hasn't worked very well for years.  The page refreshes quite often--about every 30 seconds to a minute--even moreso during active sports events.  This site also has the habbit of moving to the search field and activating forms/edit mode with every page load.  All these aspects of this page were evident with Firefox 57, but they weren't any worse than with earlier versions of Firefox.  I really wish Yahoo would fix these pages.  Even using JAWS 17, the suppress web page refreshes hasn't worked in years and still doesn't--but I digress.


I then visited various live streaming pages which had accessible embedded players: Democracy Now: https://democracynow.org and AM 740 Toronto: https://zoomerradio.ca.  Both these sites read normally and the embedded players showed buttons and I could activate, play, pause and control volumes as normal.  There were no significant issues.


Finally, it has been reported that the downloads window does not read in Firefox 57.  I tried downloading a small fie of 11 MB in size from the file storage site Send Space: https://www.sendspace.com.  The download window showed up normally and I saw the progress as usual.  Again, there was no significant difference from ealrier versions of Firefox.


Conclusion and possible causality:


I see very little difference using Firefox 57 with my current system. There may be a bit of sluggishness on sum pages, but not very much.  The causes I am going to site are simply educated guesses--nothing more.  You will see that I am using the 32 bit version of Firefox.  I believe there is a 64 bit, but I have lways been warned off from using this version.  I have always used a 32 bit version and had very good results.  Maybe if some people are using the 64 bit version on a 64 bit system, that could cause issue.  In addition, my system is a reasonably fast system. With 8 core and a lot of RAM and virtual memory, it is a real speed demon.  The system boots in about 25 seconds from a cold boot. Programs launch rapidly and seldom lock up.  Although Gene Asner might bite me (we've had debates over fast VS slow systems and how they affect other programs) I am wondering if my fast system mitigates issues with Firefox sluggishness and bad performance that others are having.  (sorry Gene only kidding!) Again, this is simply an educated guess, but there must be some intrinsic issue on more than a few systems running Firefox 57 that are causing all these negative reports that I am receiving on this and other mailing lists for the blind.


Hopefully, this analysis will induce others to give Firefox 57 a try and allay some of the fear associated with it's installation.



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


firefox updating and becoming unusable

Richard Kuzma
 

Can someone tell me what just happened.

I opened firefox and it says is updating to latest version and it updated.

Now it does not work with nvda or even jaws.

Please help.

Thanks

 


Re: Fw: [Nvda-devel] This that and the other

 

To your third question, the originator of that thread has changed from using Firefox as his main browser to Chrome.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:46 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

1. I notice that the list is playing me up again, and older emails are coming in after the replies. I am thus feeling a little like Dr who in a time warp, so sorry if this makes some of my messages here a bit strange.
2. Firefox. So are we saying then, that the latest beta of 57 can be downloaded and installed on a windows 7 machine and the only casualty is going to be navigational sounds and the need to reload a new version of ublock origin?


Yes or no.
I ask as twice I tried recent versions and each time the32 bit version did not even manage to go into browse or focus mode just saying unknown whatever it did. However reload anything prior and it is back working albeit with trashed add ons. I'm now on 52 esr.
3. I can see lots of things in this list with Firefox is now Chrome but have not yet managed to find the first post so what does this refer to exactly?



Brian

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Re: Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

The press release says six dots.

Best,

Erik

On November 14, 2017 10:06:43 PM "Angelo Sonnesso" <asonnesso@gmail.com> wrote:

There are 6 Braille keys, but are there only 6 dots on the Braille Me?.
The Braille Lite had 6 Braille keys, but it did have 8 Braille dots.

73 N2DYN Angelo

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 4:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

Hi,

Ah I am with you now, cursor tracking would be essential for me too.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: 14 November 2017 15:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

Absolutely it does. But it doesn't have cursor tracking. At least I don't see how it can, since there are only six dots. DotsSeven and eight blink to show the position of the cursor in standard 8 dot Braille configurations. I could be totally wrong about this of course. Perhaps the entire letter blinks to show the position of the cursor. I feel pretty confident, but I suppose it was not safe to speculate without having seen the device in operation.


On November 14, 2017 10:12:33 AM "Angelo Sonnesso" <asonnesso@gmail.com> wrote:

It does have cursor routing buttons.

73 N2DYN Angelo

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 8:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

I think you have to look at it like this. When a Perkins brailler costs $800, and a refreshable braille display costs $400, the Braille display becomes instantly attractive in learning environments.

Cursor tracking would be nice, but six dots is all you need to start teaching people how to use the code. We streamlined learning of Braille into technology. We substantially reduce paper waste. We slash both the upfront and long-term cost, and we make Braille relevant to Consumers who would otherwise wonder why they are taking the time to learn it.

For myself, I really need 8 dot Computer Braille, and cursor tracking in my classes. So, this device will not be great for me; however, I think it's great that one of these is actually going to hit the market. I hope when they start recovering some of their R&D costs, they will expand the size, add the cursor tracking feature is, and make it a little bit more relevant to Advanced Braille users.


On November 14, 2017 7:29:01 AM "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:

Hi,

Yeah eight dots isn't there, which makes it a bit half-baked, but it will be nice to have a cheaper option.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 14 November 2017 09:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

Is this going to be another one like the last el cheapo one that everyone is still waiting to get?

Wee only six dots, I thought 8 was needed for computer Braille to allow info like cursor position etc.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cristóbal" <crismunoz54@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display


It literally says $399.00 in the original email message.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable
Smart Braille Display

How affordable is it???
At 07:17 AM 11/13/2017, you wrote:
Hi Josh,
I had been contacted by Shyam from Innovision a couple months ago with
regards to how adding support for a new Braille display driver works
in the case of NVDA. I had redirected Shyam to Jamie or Reef by
providing their e-mail addresses at that point in time. I am unaware
of whether or not he actually followed up with an NV Access staff
member, but what I can safely say is that supporting NVDA was very
much on their minds while developing this affordable Braille display.
Thanks.

On 11/13/17, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
will this display work with NVDA also?




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart
Braille
Display
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 03:10:09 -0800
From: Innovision <shyam@innovisiontech.co>
To: joshknnd1982@gmail.com



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Debug JavaScript for Developer

Alessandro Albano
 

Hi all,

I need to work, to debug the javascript code of some websites, add breackpoint and inspect a variable or obj.

I've tried embedded Google Developer Tools in Chrome, Firefox and Internet Explorer integrated ones.

All these tools are not accessible, or poorly  (little) accessible with all screen reader.

Do you have any solutions? Experiences?

Thank you!

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Alessandro


Re: that dll message that I was geting with nvda

Sakina
 

Please pardon me for my ignorance. What does dll stand for?
With many regards Sakina

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] that dll message that I was geting with nvda

Hello I can confirm at least on my machine that when ever I install
jaws2018 I get that dll message that I was getting before when launching
nvda

I restored my machine to before I installed jaws2018 so all is ok but
thought that I would let the list know

I don't know what is going on but at this point I can't run jaws2018
with out it breaking nvda


Re: nvda tickets

Quentin Christensen
 

Apparently, according to this page, you can get e-mails for your own activity now Brian: https://github.com/blog/2203-email-updates-about-your-own-activity

If you go to: https://github.com/settings/notifications you can set what notifications you receive and how, and one of the checkboxes is for "Include your own updates", which is unchecked by default.  If you check that, it sounds like it should do exactly what you want.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
I think the point he is raising here is the one I've raised many many times and been ignored.
That is, really there should be a setting in there so even your own messages get sent to the email list it uses so you can follow a thread correctly maybe months later on.
In my view this is a serious issue with gather or its the most well hidden checbox on the web.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda tickets


It looks like you've done everything correct.  I can see your issue here:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7754.

It looks like no-one has commented on it or anything yet, so you likely
won't have received any e-mail about it yet.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:

I posted a ticket on the topic of Zoom yesterday. Do we see emails
corresponding to our own tickets before someone comments on them? I'm just
curious. If I've done something wrong, I'd like to know. I filled it out
and then pressed the submit button.





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Fw: [Nvda-devel] This that and the other

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1. I notice that the list is playing me up again, and older emails are coming in after the replies. I am thus feeling a little like Dr who in a time warp, so sorry if this makes some of my messages here a bit strange.
2. Firefox. So are we saying then, that the latest beta of 57 can be downloaded and installed on a windows 7 machine and the only casualty is going to be navigational sounds and the need to reload a new version of ublock origin?


Yes or no.
I ask as twice I tried recent versions and each time the32 bit version did not even manage to go into browse or focus mode just saying unknown whatever it did. However reload anything prior and it is back working albeit with trashed add ons. I'm now on 52 esr.
3. I can see lots of things in this list with Firefox is now Chrome but have not yet managed to find the first post so what does this refer to exactly?



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Re: can't use the letter K to get from link to link

Chris
 

Hello

 

Is the same for other navigation keys?

Is it the same for other websites or just gmail?

Have you tried another browser?

 

 

 


Re: can't use the letter K to get from link to link

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I'm still suspecting that browse and focus mode switching on web sites is not working which is a very common mess up by sighted testers.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link


First thing is to just open something as simple as notepad, and, make
sure all the normal key combinations work like they should - things like
' ", shift + number row keys, etc. - that's a common symptom if, for
example, someone has switched over to UK english keyboard layout, but,
is used to the US english layout.


Then, think the easiest way to double-check is to find the control
panel, find language, and, tab around the window that should come up,
until you find something like a list of languages installed, and, for
example, mine is there set to English (South Africa). Keyboard layout:
US. Available for download
Keyboard layout: US.


But, this might not be relevant at all, if the keyboard operates
normally in other contexts, and, would then just suggest trying it out
in a different browser to see if it still misbehaves, since that would
then point out that it might indeed be an NVDA configuration issue?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017/11/15 09:13, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I'm using the latest version of windows 10 which is the fall creators
update.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Jacob Kruger
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 14, 2017 11:06 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link

Really depends on operating system version, and, honestly, it was just
a form of guess - if keyboard works fine in other contexts, then it's
somewhat unlikely?

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017/11/15 08:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

How do I change that?

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Jacob Kruger
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 14, 2017 10:19 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link

Makes me think that maybe your input language has been set to some
language other than US english, and, so, your keyboard is behaving
oddly?

Jacob Kruger

Blind Biker

Skype: BlindZA

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On 2017/11/15 04:39, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

The weird thing is that it happens in internet explorer. Not
only that but if I'm trying to read a title bar in IE, I get
"0 T" instead of the insert key. I don't have that problem in
microsoft edge.

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Christopher-Mark
Gilland
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:10 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link
to link

Aa, sounds like somehow your NVDA key got unmapped from the
insert key. Go into the NVDA menu, then preferences, general,
and make sure that the NVDA modifier for insert is checked. If
you wind up having to check it, then be sure to save your
configuration afterwards with NVDA+CTRL+C.

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----- Original Message -----

*From:* Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Sent:* Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:27 PM

*Subject:* [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link
to link

Hi, everyone,

Recently I had to have my computer repaired. Yesterday I
brought it home from the shop but found that now I can't
get to the links list with NVDA f-7 or the letter K.
Whoever repaired my computer must have changed some
settings on it. I have the proper boxes checked but don't
know why this isn't working. Here is what I was trying to
do. I wanted to go to the Gmail site to find out if I had
messages in my spam folder that aren't spam. When I hit K
to go from link to link, all I get is K and nothing else.
When I hit NVDA f-7 to go to the links list, I get a
message asking if I want to turn on caret browsing. What
could bee causing this?

Thanks for your help in advance.

Rosemarie


Re: can't use the letter K to get from link to link

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No before your message appeared here for me I asked it as well suspecting that its lost its registration of key DLL files as we have heard of recently here on some laptop clone installs. Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link


Dumb question, but, are you definitely focusing on the web page
contents, and, can you tab around link to link?


If so, then try toggling between browse and focus mode to make sure it's
in browse mode before you try the keystrokes?


But, the main thing is to firstly make sure you're working within the
webpage contents?


And, yes, know this could just be me asking dumb questions...<smile>


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017/11/15 03:54, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Can you reinstall nvda from scratc h and see if that works? You might
have to do that, but use narrator to navigate to the exe where the
installer is and then run it probably in admin mode.

Take care

On Nov 14, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi, Gene,
I tried checking that box but that didn't work. I'll probably have to
have a sighted relative look at it and see what's going on. I wonder
if the tech did delete something that NVDA needs.
Thank you for trying to help though.
Rosemarie
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]*On Behalf
Of*Gene
*Sent:*Tuesday, November 14, 2017 2:44 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link
In browse mode settings, tab a lot of times until you get to a check
box that says, Trap all non-command gestures from reaching the document.
If it isn't checked, check it. Of course, the tech may have done
something else or corrupted or deleted something NVDA needs to
perform these tasks properly, but this may be the solution.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
*Sent:*Tuesday, November 14, 2017 4:27 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*[nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link
Hi, everyone,
Recently I had to have my computer repaired. Yesterday I brought it
home from the shop but found that now I can't get to the links list
with NVDA f-7 or the letter K. Whoever repaired my computer must have
changed some settings on it. I have the proper boxes checked but
don't know why this isn't working. Here is what I was trying to do. I
wanted to go to the Gmail site to find out if I had messages in my
spam folder that aren't spam. When I hit K to go from link to link,
all I get is K and nothing else. When I hit NVDA f-7 to go to the
links list, I get a message asking if I want to turn on caret
browsing. What could bee causing this?
Thanks for your help in advance.
Rosemarie


Re: another ff57 issue

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I have no idea other than as I look at mine I'm on a release version and its saying 56 is the latest, if I change it to a beta, its offering me 58. I never did get Mozillas logic here.
You can just put 52 over 56 and of course you then do not have that sidebar focus issue either.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 4:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] another ff57 issue


So... Do I first uninstall V56 before installing the ESR version? Or, do I just install over the top of 56? the weird thing is, I'm still on 56. It's not even asked me to update, and yes, I have the box checked to auto check for updates. I can't say I'm wishing! for 57 to hit me. I'm only just sayin' I'm curious why everyone's seeing it, but I'm not.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Everiss
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 10:47 PM
Subject: [nvda] another ff57 issue


Hi.

The downloads window does not read progress information I don't even get
progress bars for downloads.


Re: firefox is now back

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Unfortunately the legacy add ons got trashed and could not be brought back in my case only uninstalleed searched for and reinstalled again.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now back


Hi.

And just like that I am back to 57 for good this time.

Today I decided to well I decided to do a junk clean with disk cleaner.

Lets say, it hosed my sounds extention and I had to reset all of everything.

And I decided that well I wasn't bad off, noscript should be out at the end of the week and as long as I can access the options screen right in firefox I will do it.

I can't read the security dialogs in chrome so all my bluster had me a bit more bad off.

I would like the ability to edit and interact with form fields in firefox addon options.

I'd also like to have my navigation sound back and to know where addon data is saved so maybe I can find and replace the vary low download sound for sound download notifier I have.

I however do have sound notifier back and to be honest firefox 57 is a lot faster loading.

I'll keep the legacy addons installed though just in case I need to downgrade to 56.x.

I do hope that the form fields in addons options can be interacted with its just about the only thing thats wrong, at least with the 64 bit version of this program.

And here I was switching to chrome.

Firefox still shows the right dialogs and not unknowns, chrome still has issues.

I access things like resilio, and other ip based sites daily, and thats where I run into a problem.



On 15/11/2017 10:30 a.m., Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,

Chromebooks are much better for accessibility now.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 14 November 2017 17:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now chrome

Chromevox has a long history, back when Chrome book computers first started, they accessed all their aps through the web interface of Chrome browser. ie it was not running windows. They built in a rudamentary screenreader to help people its always been very basic and I have never bothered with it as it was really only relevant in the above context as soon Chrome implimented apis for its windows version which allowed other screenreaders to be used.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now chrome


Its a screen reader its more basic than nvda it uses sapi and google tts.




On 14/11/2017 7:35 p.m., zahra wrote:
hello.
could you please someone explane for me in details that whats the
chromevox?
i did not understand whats it.
is it a screen reader which works just in chrome?
if so, which synthesizer does it have?
God bless you all.

On 11/14/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
The only issue I did have was connecting to my bt sync server, and my
router in fact any device with an ip address.

I got a lot of unknowns, I assume it was a security dialog, I had to go
to the address bar, shift tab once, hit the information button then
allow this site always then hit reload, then it let it go through.

I do wish that security dialogs and extention add dialogs got read
chrome dropps into a chrome legacy window instead of a document window
and screen readers can't read legacy windows so well.




On 14/11/2017 11:00 a.m., Sally Kiebdaj wrote:
Hello Mary,


Chrome has an extension called Chromevox which acts as a screen
reader. NVDA also works with Chrome, though.


Warm regards,

Sally



On 11/13/2017 4:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
So does chrome have a reader at on, rather like what you get with
Safari either on a Mac or on the phone? The android version of chrome
doesn’t have that, and it’s a huge disadvantage in my opinion. I’m
guessing that the desktop version either has it built in or at least
has an ad on.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi.

Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.

What an experience change.

Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every
file just saves now.

And access wize there are accessibility addons.

For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.

First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats
good.

I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked
so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling
down pages, etc.

However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.

Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms
should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because
headings for everything.

The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to
hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with
adding extentions tab once and hit enter.

I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.

However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe
that firefox as it stands is history with me.

Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works
as needed.

I do feel sad leaving firefox though.




On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
Why do some people care so much about browser sounds? When a page
has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader
automatically starts to read it. When a page doesn't load for some
reason, a lot of the time there is an error message. When you
download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining
for the download. I understand the desire to hear a sound when a
download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to
check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and
forgetting to check in a timely manner. But how much of the
concern with sounds is just habit? Maybe people would be surprised
if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how
quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance. Even
the download finished sound may decrease significantly in
importance.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed


Hi.

Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads,
sadly I
don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything
else
the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud
though.




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Re: can't use the letter K to get from link to link

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No that has little to do with this from the way I read the query.. If single letter nav is not working thn its stuck in focus mode and hence has the probablem of deregistered dlls. If Office has been taken out and put back this seems ofteen to be the end result.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link


Aa, sounds like somehow your NVDA key got unmapped from the insert key. Go into the NVDA menu, then preferences, general, and make sure that the NVDA modifier for insert is checked. If you wind up having to check it, then be sure to save your configuration afterwards with NVDA+CTRL+C.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link


Hi, everyone,



Recently I had to have my computer repaired. Yesterday I brought it home from the shop but found that now I can't get to the links list with NVDA f-7 or the letter K. Whoever repaired my computer must have changed some settings on it. I have the proper boxes checked but don't know why this isn't working. Here is what I was trying to do. I wanted to go to the Gmail site to find out if I had messages in my spam folder that aren't spam. When I hit K to go from link to link, all I get is K and nothing else. When I hit NVDA f-7 to go to the links list, I get a message asking if I want to turn on caret browsing. What could bee causing this?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Rosemarie


Re: nvda tickets

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I think the point he is raising here is the one I've raised many many times and been ignored.
That is, really there should be a setting in there so even your own messages get sent to the email list it uses so you can follow a thread correctly maybe months later on.
In my view this is a serious issue with gather or its the most well hidden checbox on the web.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda tickets


It looks like you've done everything correct. I can see your issue here:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7754.

It looks like no-one has commented on it or anything yet, so you likely
won't have received any e-mail about it yet.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Governor staten <govsta@gmail.com> wrote:

I posted a ticket on the topic of Zoom yesterday. Do we see emails
corresponding to our own tickets before someone comments on them? I'm just
curious. If I've done something wrong, I'd like to know. I filled it out
and then pressed the submit button.



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