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Firefox 57 Update: My Analysis
Ron Canazzi
Hi Group,
Well, it's finally here: the much talked about full release of Firefox 57. I opened Firefox shortly after 7:00 AM Eastern Time USA this morning and got the update Firefox dialogue. I am now running Firefox 57.0. Here are some of the conditions under which I am running Firefox 57.0 full release. Windows 10 latest update version 17.09 8 core 64 bit Intel composite machine 12 GB RAM 13.8 GB Virtual memory. Firefox 32 bit version. Here is my basic analysis. I first tried a run of the mill web page--an old still functional local ISP that offers dial-up service and has low graphics and is not very cluttered: The Blue Moon Internet System: http://www.bluemoon.net. The navigation and overall performance was normal--I did not notice anything different from earlier versions of Firefox. Being somewhat encouraged, I next visited one of my favorite sites espn.com and one of its sub pages for NFL articles: https://espn.com/nfl. This site is fairly cluttered but usually very simple to navigate. Again, I had no real issues. Navigational keys, automatic reading and other basics operated normally. I then got a little bolder. I visited the CNN website: https://cnn.com. It might have taken a little longer time to load than normal, but I don't visit that site very often, so I am really not sure. It seemed relatively normal with perhaps a small lag--2 or 3 seconds maybe. Once the page loaded, I had no real issues. I was able to click on various section: world, USA, sports, breaking news, ETC. I chose to read the article about the coup in Zimbabwe--that deposed long time and ailing President Robert Magobbi. Everything seemed to work normally. I then got real brave and visited the Yahoo sports page: https://sports.yahoo.com. This site hasn't worked very well for years. The page refreshes quite often--about every 30 seconds to a minute--even moreso during active sports events. This site also has the habbit of moving to the search field and activating forms/edit mode with every page load. All these aspects of this page were evident with Firefox 57, but they weren't any worse than with earlier versions of Firefox. I really wish Yahoo would fix these pages. Even using JAWS 17, the suppress web page refreshes hasn't worked in years and still doesn't--but I digress. I then visited various live streaming pages which had accessible embedded players: Democracy Now: https://democracynow.org and AM 740 Toronto: https://zoomerradio.ca. Both these sites read normally and the embedded players showed buttons and I could activate, play, pause and control volumes as normal. There were no significant issues. Finally, it has been reported that the downloads window does not read in Firefox 57. I tried downloading a small fie of 11 MB in size from the file storage site Send Space: https://www.sendspace.com. The download window showed up normally and I saw the progress as usual. Again, there was no significant difference from ealrier versions of Firefox. Conclusion and possible causality: I see very little difference using Firefox 57 with my current system. There may be a bit of sluggishness on sum pages, but not very much. The causes I am going to site are simply educated guesses--nothing more. You will see that I am using the 32 bit version of Firefox. I believe there is a 64 bit, but I have lways been warned off from using this version. I have always used a 32 bit version and had very good results. Maybe if some people are using the 64 bit version on a 64 bit system, that could cause issue. In addition, my system is a reasonably fast system. With 8 core and a lot of RAM and virtual memory, it is a real speed demon. The system boots in about 25 seconds from a cold boot. Programs launch rapidly and seldom lock up. Although Gene Asner might bite me (we've had debates over fast VS slow systems and how they affect other programs) I am wondering if my fast system mitigates issues with Firefox sluggishness and bad performance that others are having. (sorry Gene only kidding!) Again, this is simply an educated guess, but there must be some intrinsic issue on more than a few systems running Firefox 57 that are causing all these negative reports that I am receiving on this and other mailing lists for the blind. Hopefully, this analysis will induce others to give Firefox 57 a try and allay some of the fear associated with it's installation. -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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firefox updating and becoming unusable
Richard Kuzma
Can someone tell me what just happened. I opened firefox and it says is updating to latest version and it updated. Now it does not work with nvda or even jaws. Please help. Thanks
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Re: Fw: [Nvda-devel] This that and the other
To your third question, the originator of that thread has changed from using Firefox as his main browser to Chrome.
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On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:46 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
1. I notice that the list is playing me up again, and older emails are coming in after the replies. I am thus feeling a little like Dr who in a time warp, so sorry if this makes some of my messages here a bit strange.
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Re: Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display
erik burggraaf <erik@...>
The press release says six dots.
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Best, Erik
On November 14, 2017 10:06:43 PM "Angelo Sonnesso" <asonnesso@gmail.com> wrote:
There are 6 Braille keys, but are there only 6 dots on the Braille Me?. The Braille Lite had 6 Braille keys, but it did have 8 Braille dots. 73 N2DYN Angelo -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 4:29 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display Hi, Ah I am with you now, cursor tracking would be essential for me too. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf Sent: 14 November 2017 15:22 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display Absolutely it does. But it doesn't have cursor tracking. At least I don't see how it can, since there are only six dots. DotsSeven and eight blink to show the position of the cursor in standard 8 dot Braille configurations. I could be totally wrong about this of course. Perhaps the entire letter blinks to show the position of the cursor. I feel pretty confident, but I suppose it was not safe to speculate without having seen the device in operation. On November 14, 2017 10:12:33 AM "Angelo Sonnesso" <asonnesso@gmail.com> wrote: It does have cursor routing buttons. 73 N2DYN Angelo -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 8:17 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display I think you have to look at it like this. When a Perkins brailler costs $800, and a refreshable braille display costs $400, the Braille display becomes instantly attractive in learning environments. Cursor tracking would be nice, but six dots is all you need to start teaching people how to use the code. We streamlined learning of Braille into technology. We substantially reduce paper waste. We slash both the upfront and long-term cost, and we make Braille relevant to Consumers who would otherwise wonder why they are taking the time to learn it. For myself, I really need 8 dot Computer Braille, and cursor tracking in my classes. So, this device will not be great for me; however, I think it's great that one of these is actually going to hit the market. I hope when they start recovering some of their R&D costs, they will expand the size, add the cursor tracking feature is, and make it a little bit more relevant to Advanced Braille users. On November 14, 2017 7:29:01 AM "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote: Hi, Yeah eight dots isn't there, which makes it a bit half-baked, but it will be nice to have a cheaper option. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 14 November 2017 09:16 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display Is this going to be another one like the last el cheapo one that everyone is still waiting to get? Wee only six dots, I thought 8 was needed for computer Braille to allow info like cursor position etc. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cristóbal" <crismunoz54@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display It literally says $399.00 in the original email message.
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Debug JavaScript for Developer
Alessandro Albano
Hi all, I
need to work, to debug the javascript code of some websites,
add breackpoint and inspect a variable or obj. I've
tried embedded Google Developer Tools in Chrome, Firefox and
Internet Explorer integrated ones. All
these tools are not accessible, or poorly (little) accessible
with all screen reader. Do
you have any solutions? Experiences? Thank you! -- Alessandro
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Re: that dll message that I was geting with nvda
Sakina
Please pardon me for my ignorance. What does dll stand for?
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With many regards Sakina
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:44 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] that dll message that I was geting with nvda Hello I can confirm at least on my machine that when ever I install jaws2018 I get that dll message that I was getting before when launching nvda I restored my machine to before I installed jaws2018 so all is ok but thought that I would let the list know I don't know what is going on but at this point I can't run jaws2018 with out it breaking nvda
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Re: nvda tickets
Quentin Christensen
Apparently, according to this page, you can get e-mails for your own activity now Brian: https://github.com/blog/2203-email-updates-about-your-own-activity If you go to: https://github.com/settings/notifications you can set what notifications you receive and how, and one of the checkboxes is for "Include your own updates", which is unchecked by default. If you check that, it sounds like it should do exactly what you want. Kind regards Quentin.
On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote: I think the point he is raising here is the one I've raised many many times and been ignored. --
Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Fw: [Nvda-devel] This that and the other
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
1. I notice that the list is playing me up again, and older emails are coming in after the replies. I am thus feeling a little like Dr who in a time warp, so sorry if this makes some of my messages here a bit strange.
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Re: can't use the letter K to get from link to link
Chris
Hello
Is the same for other navigation keys? Is it the same for other websites or just gmail? Have you tried another browser?
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Re: can't use the letter K to get from link to link
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I'm still suspecting that browse and focus mode switching on web sites is not working which is a very common mess up by sighted testers.
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From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link First thing is to just open something as simple as notepad, and, make
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Re: can't use the letter K to get from link to link
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
No before your message appeared here for me I asked it as well suspecting that its lost its registration of key DLL files as we have heard of recently here on some laptop clone installs. Brian
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From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link Dumb question, but, are you definitely focusing on the web page
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Re: another ff57 issue
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I have no idea other than as I look at mine I'm on a release version and its saying 56 is the latest, if I change it to a beta, its offering me 58. I never did get Mozillas logic here.
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You can just put 52 over 56 and of course you then do not have that sidebar focus issue either. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <clgilland07@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 4:04 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] another ff57 issue So... Do I first uninstall V56 before installing the ESR version? Or, do I just install over the top of 56? the weird thing is, I'm still on 56. It's not even asked me to update, and yes, I have the box checked to auto check for updates. I can't say I'm wishing! for 57 to hit me. I'm only just sayin' I'm curious why everyone's seeing it, but I'm not. --- Christopher Gilland Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministry.org (980) 500-9575 ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaun Everiss To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 10:47 PM Subject: [nvda] another ff57 issue Hi. The downloads window does not read progress information I don't even get progress bars for downloads.
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Re: firefox is now back
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Unfortunately the legacy add ons got trashed and could not be brought back in my case only uninstalleed searched for and reinstalled again.
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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 3:31 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now back Hi.
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Re: can't use the letter K to get from link to link
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
No that has little to do with this from the way I read the query.. If single letter nav is not working thn its stuck in focus mode and hence has the probablem of deregistered dlls. If Office has been taken out and put back this seems ofteen to be the end result.
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From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <clgilland07@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 2:10 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link Aa, sounds like somehow your NVDA key got unmapped from the insert key. Go into the NVDA menu, then preferences, general, and make sure that the NVDA modifier for insert is checked. If you wind up having to check it, then be sure to save your configuration afterwards with NVDA+CTRL+C. --- Christopher Gilland Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministry.org (980) 500-9575 ----- Original Message ----- From: Rosemarie Chavarria To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:27 PM Subject: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link Hi, everyone, Recently I had to have my computer repaired. Yesterday I brought it home from the shop but found that now I can't get to the links list with NVDA f-7 or the letter K. Whoever repaired my computer must have changed some settings on it. I have the proper boxes checked but don't know why this isn't working. Here is what I was trying to do. I wanted to go to the Gmail site to find out if I had messages in my spam folder that aren't spam. When I hit K to go from link to link, all I get is K and nothing else. When I hit NVDA f-7 to go to the links list, I get a message asking if I want to turn on caret browsing. What could bee causing this? Thanks for your help in advance. Rosemarie
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Re: nvda tickets
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I think the point he is raising here is the one I've raised many many times and been ignored.
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That is, really there should be a setting in there so even your own messages get sent to the email list it uses so you can follow a thread correctly maybe months later on. In my view this is a serious issue with gather or its the most well hidden checbox on the web. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda tickets It looks like you've done everything correct. I can see your issue here:
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Re: can't use the letter K to get from link to link
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Can you switch from browse to focus mode?
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Probably not. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link Hi, Gene,
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Re: the new firefox quanttum
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
But remember you could be like me, where it simply refuses to work and removes vital add ons.
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From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] the new firefox quanttum I chose to postpone the update, for now. I may well end up just going for it. It seems that a good number of people are actually ok with using Quantum with their screen-reader already, this before Mozilla makes their improvements in 58, 59 or whatever it is. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Scott VanDeWalle Sent: November 14, 2017 4:43 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] the new firefox quanttum Hello all. I just installed the new firefox. The only thing wrong with it as far as I’m concerned is that it is slower. So for now I’ll either use google chrome or edge as my default browser. I’m using the new nightly firefox 58, and it is not much better, as promised it would be. Just my opinions though. Have a good da y. Scott
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Re: nvda tickets
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
No I pointed this out some time ago that it seems to be illogical. Never see any of my comments only others comments unless I log in and scroll through the issue on the gather web site. For some reason the techs over there seem to have a blind spot when you point this out as if its normal, but it would be real nice if an email was sent for all parts of that thread to the nominated account. However its not and I have been frustrated to note this is the case and nobody seems to care.
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From: "Governor staten" <govsta@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 10:55 PM Subject: [nvda] nvda tickets I posted a ticket on the topic of Zoom yesterday. Do we see emails
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Re: create portable copy
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I think we were wondering why you wanted to do it this way though. I thought the issue was a temporary computer that they did not want nvda to be installed onto. Brian
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From: "Vanessa Ochoa via Groups.Io" <barroyo22=yahoo.com@groups.io> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] create portable copy lets try this again in a different way. okay this is what I am talking about I got it from the What's New in NVDA. and if it helps I am using the latest master snapshot • Added new command line parameters to create a portable copy of NVDA. (#6329) Vanessa!
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Re: Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Those who have worked with Braille tend to use uncontracted chars so that one char equals one character on the screen. The only way then to find out where the cursor and other markers are is with the bottom row.
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However I'm pretty rubbish with refreshable Braille and as I'm now a home user I don't even have a display. Each to their own of course. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display I don't use 8 dots, never have. In fact on my braille lite I turned that off the first day I got it, tha twas 7 years ago I no longer have the unit but I hate 8dot braille. JMT though. On Nov 14, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
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