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Re: NVDA and GoogleChrome

Dejan Ristic
 

As is the case with Mozilla Firefox, too.

On 15/11/2017 22:10, Don H wrote:
control j also takes you to the list of things being downloaded.

On 11/15/2017 3:05 PM, Sally Kiebdaj wrote:
Hello,


I think the answer you may want is how to open the download not how to start it. Firefox prompts you with the save or open dialogue as soon as you click the download but instead chrome immediately starts the download without a message. Once it is complete, you can either find the file in the downloads folder or in the bottom of the chrome browser window. That bottom section can be accessed with F6, I believe.


So from the chrome window where you just clicked download, you should be able to use F6 to scroll to the download bar at the bottom of the screen where you can find out the status of the download, open it, open it in the containing folder, or dismiss the notification.


Please let me know if this is not what you wanted or if it does not work.


Thank you,

Sally


On 11/15/2017 12:34 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:
I use Chrome and as far as I am aware, the Download folder is where the
downloaded file is placed after activating "Download" on a web page.  In
Chrome, when you activate a download, you can either set Chrome  to do the
download  with or without prompting the user  to activate a save button.
This setting can be found in the Crome advanced settings

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Shook
Sent: 15 November 2017 16:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and GoogleChrome

Hi,
Is there anyway to get downloads to start automatically in GoogleChrome
using NVDA or JAWS?
Right now, after clicking on a file I want to download, I have to go into
the downloads folder and click on the appropriate link.
Thanks in advance.
Chris











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Re: NVDA and GoogleChrome

Sally Kiebdaj
 

Good to know, thanks!

Sally

On 11/15/2017 4:10 PM, Don H wrote:
control j also takes you to the list of things being downloaded.

On 11/15/2017 3:05 PM, Sally Kiebdaj wrote:
Hello,


I think the answer you may want is how to open the download not how to start it. Firefox prompts you with the save or open dialogue as soon as you click the download but instead chrome immediately starts the download without a message. Once it is complete, you can either find the file in the downloads folder or in the bottom of the chrome browser window. That bottom section can be accessed with F6, I believe.


So from the chrome window where you just clicked download, you should be able to use F6 to scroll to the download bar at the bottom of the screen where you can find out the status of the download, open it, open it in the containing folder, or dismiss the notification.


Please let me know if this is not what you wanted or if it does not work.


Thank you,

Sally


On 11/15/2017 12:34 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:
I use Chrome and as far as I am aware, the Download folder is where the
downloaded file is placed after activating "Download" on a web page.  In
Chrome, when you activate a download, you can either set Chrome  to do the
download  with or without prompting the user  to activate a save button.
This setting can be found in the Crome advanced settings

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Shook
Sent: 15 November 2017 16:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and GoogleChrome

Hi,
Is there anyway to get downloads to start automatically in GoogleChrome
using NVDA or JAWS?
Right now, after clicking on a file I want to download, I have to go into
the downloads folder and click on the appropriate link.
Thanks in advance.
Chris











Re: QRead and automatic language switching

Sally Kiebdaj
 

Thank you all,


I had a feeling that the language tags were being stripped but was hopeful it might be a setting as I would really like to be able to use this application. For now, though, most of the PDFs I read are bilingual and switch synth is a bit too cumbersome to use every other line.


If anyone finds a way to make it work, lemme know. Otherwise, thank you for confirming my suspicions.


Cheers,

Sally

On 11/14/2017 5:41 AM, Mallard wrote:
Hello,


I've also used Qread for years, but I don't think you can switch languages automatically, because the language tags that cause that to happen are probably removed when the text is parsed by Qread.


In actual fact, though, I've never really tried, so I can't be absolutely sure of this.


I'll test it and report back.

I have disabled the automatic language detection at the moment. I'll test and report back.

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 14/11/2017 00:11, Sally Kiebdaj ha scritto:
Hello all,


Have any of you using QRead also tried reading a document in multiple languages?


I am testing it out with a textbook that automatically switches between English and German when opened in Adobe. However, it defaults to English entirely when opened in QRead.


Is this something inherent to the program and how it presents documents or is there a setting I need to tweak?


Thank you,

Sally






Re: NVDA and GoogleChrome

Don H
 

control j also takes you to the list of things being downloaded.

On 11/15/2017 3:05 PM, Sally Kiebdaj wrote:
Hello,
I think the answer you may want is how to open the download not how to start it. Firefox prompts you with the save or open dialogue as soon as you click the download but instead chrome immediately starts the download without a message. Once it is complete, you can either find the file in the downloads folder or in the bottom of the chrome browser window. That bottom section can be accessed with F6, I believe.
So from the chrome window where you just clicked download, you should be able to use F6 to scroll to the download bar at the bottom of the screen where you can find out the status of the download, open it, open it in the containing folder, or dismiss the notification.
Please let me know if this is not what you wanted or if it does not work.
Thank you,
Sally
On 11/15/2017 12:34 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:
I use Chrome and as far as I am aware, the Download folder is where the
downloaded file is placed after activating "Download" on a web page.  In
Chrome, when you activate a download, you can either set Chrome  to do the
download  with or without prompting the user  to activate a save button.
This setting can be found in the Crome advanced settings

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Shook
Sent: 15 November 2017 16:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and GoogleChrome

Hi,
Is there anyway to get downloads to start automatically in GoogleChrome
using NVDA or JAWS?
Right now, after clicking on a file I want to download, I have to go into
the downloads folder and click on the appropriate link.
Thanks in advance.
Chris






Re: NVDA and GoogleChrome

Sally Kiebdaj
 

Hello,


I think the answer you may want is how to open the download not how to start it. Firefox prompts you with the save or open dialogue as soon as you click the download but instead chrome immediately starts the download without a message. Once it is complete, you can either find the file in the downloads folder or in the bottom of the chrome browser window. That bottom section can be accessed with F6, I believe.


So from the chrome window where you just clicked download, you should be able to use F6 to scroll to the download bar at the bottom of the screen where you can find out the status of the download, open it, open it in the containing folder, or dismiss the notification.


Please let me know if this is not what you wanted or if it does not work.


Thank you,

Sally

On 11/15/2017 12:34 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:
I use Chrome and as far as I am aware, the Download folder is where the
downloaded file is placed after activating "Download" on a web page. In
Chrome, when you activate a download, you can either set Chrome to do the
download with or without prompting the user to activate a save button.
This setting can be found in the Crome advanced settings

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Shook
Sent: 15 November 2017 16:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and GoogleChrome

Hi,
Is there anyway to get downloads to start automatically in GoogleChrome
using NVDA or JAWS?
Right now, after clicking on a file I want to download, I have to go into
the downloads folder and click on the appropriate link.
Thanks in advance.
Chris





Re: the new firefox quanttum

Scott VanDeWalle
 

Yeah I got it now too and its alright I suppose. 

I guess now it will be up to the nvda developers to fix the damage that has been done like screen reader manufactrers always seem to have to end up doing.  Smile

 

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Chris
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] the new firefox quanttum

 

                                Well I’m using nightly 59.01 and that seems ok

 

So maybe try the later one

 

 

From: Scott VanDeWalle
Sent: 14 November 2017 21:43
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] the new firefox quanttum

 

Hello all.

 

I just installed the new firefox.

The only thing wrong with it as far as I’m concerned is that it is slower.

So for now I’ll either use google chrome or edge as my default browser.

I’m using the new nightly firefox 58, and it is not much better, as promised it would be.

Just my opinions though.

Have a good da y.

 

Scott

 

 


Re: can't use the letter K to get from link to link

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

hi


In the previous email did it do any of the following mentioned? in those areas? Not sure if the same bug.


Gene nz



On 11/16/2017 9:29 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Gene,

 

I tried both in firefox and chrome and the same thing happens. Not only that, but when I try to read a title bar, I get 0 T instead of the modifier key. I changed the insert key to the capslockkey. A sighted relative was here earlier today and he couldn't figure out what was wrong either.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 7:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link

 

After I sent my message yesterday, you said the problem doesn't occur in Edge.  Before you do anything else, test to see if this is a problem specifically and only in Internet Explorer.  You said it doesn't occur in Edge.  Try Firefox or Chrome and see if the problem is present.  If it isn't, then this is evidently a problem with Internet Explorer being corrupted in some way.  At that point, you can ask here about how to repair and/or reinstall Internet Explorer and see if either solution helps.   

If you can't solve the problem in either of those two ways, and if it only affects Internet Explorer, then, with Chrome and Firefox as options and Edge becoming increasingly accessible and Internet Explorer becoming increasingly old, the next question is whether it's worth solving the problem.  People may have other solutions to try but a reset, or whatever the correct term of Windows is may be something to try.  I don't know if you should do the reset that removes everything or the one that keeps your files and programs on the machine. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 10:37 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I think he did a clean install of windows 10 so I lost all my files except for the music I have on my external hard drive.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 8:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link

 

What did you have repaired on the computer?  Did the tech do anything other than repair just what you asked?  Did he update anything or do any other work?

 

Also, and not necessarily related to the question, you might be able to reset, I'm not sure what the correct term is in Windows 10, Windows and tell the reset to leave all your programs.  But that would need discussion by others  because I don't know enough about that option to do more than suggest it as a possibility.

 

Gene

----- Original Message ------

Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 9:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link

 

That's the weirdest thing I've ever encountered. Wish I knew how to solve it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link

 

Somehow, you're numlock then is getting turned on.

 

That's really weird!

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 9:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link

 

The weird thing is that it happens in internet explorer. Not only that but if I'm trying to read a title bar in IE, I get "0 T" instead of the insert key. I don't have that problem in microsoft edge.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link

 

Aa, sounds like somehow your NVDA key got unmapped from the insert key. Go into the NVDA menu, then preferences, general, and make sure that the NVDA modifier for insert is checked. If you wind up having to check it, then be sure to save your configuration afterwards with NVDA+CTRL+C.

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:27 PM

Subject: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link

 

Hi, everyone,

 

Recently I had to have my computer repaired. Yesterday I brought it home from the shop but found that now I can't get to the links list with NVDA f-7 or the letter K. Whoever repaired my computer must have changed some settings on it. I have the proper boxes checked but don't know why this isn't working. Here is what I was trying to do. I wanted to go to the Gmail site to find out if I had messages in my spam folder that aren't spam. When I hit K to go from link to link, all I get is K and nothing else. When I hit NVDA f-7 to go to the links list, I get a message asking if I want to turn on caret browsing. What could bee causing this?

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie  


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: can't use the letter K to get from link to link

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,

 

I tried both in firefox and chrome and the same thing happens. Not only that, but when I try to read a title bar, I get 0 T instead of the modifier key. I changed the insert key to the capslockkey. A sighted relative was here earlier today and he couldn't figure out what was wrong either.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 7:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link

 

After I sent my message yesterday, you said the problem doesn't occur in Edge.  Before you do anything else, test to see if this is a problem specifically and only in Internet Explorer.  You said it doesn't occur in Edge.  Try Firefox or Chrome and see if the problem is present.  If it isn't, then this is evidently a problem with Internet Explorer being corrupted in some way.  At that point, you can ask here about how to repair and/or reinstall Internet Explorer and see if either solution helps.   

If you can't solve the problem in either of those two ways, and if it only affects Internet Explorer, then, with Chrome and Firefox as options and Edge becoming increasingly accessible and Internet Explorer becoming increasingly old, the next question is whether it's worth solving the problem.  People may have other solutions to try but a reset, or whatever the correct term of Windows is may be something to try.  I don't know if you should do the reset that removes everything or the one that keeps your files and programs on the machine. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 10:37 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I think he did a clean install of windows 10 so I lost all my files except for the music I have on my external hard drive.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 8:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link

 

What did you have repaired on the computer?  Did the tech do anything other than repair just what you asked?  Did he update anything or do any other work?

 

Also, and not necessarily related to the question, you might be able to reset, I'm not sure what the correct term is in Windows 10, Windows and tell the reset to leave all your programs.  But that would need discussion by others  because I don't know enough about that option to do more than suggest it as a possibility.

 

Gene

----- Original Message ------

Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 9:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link

 

That's the weirdest thing I've ever encountered. Wish I knew how to solve it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link

 

Somehow, you're numlock then is getting turned on.

 

That's really weird!

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 9:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link

 

The weird thing is that it happens in internet explorer. Not only that but if I'm trying to read a title bar in IE, I get "0 T" instead of the insert key. I don't have that problem in microsoft edge.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link

 

Aa, sounds like somehow your NVDA key got unmapped from the insert key. Go into the NVDA menu, then preferences, general, and make sure that the NVDA modifier for insert is checked. If you wind up having to check it, then be sure to save your configuration afterwards with NVDA+CTRL+C.

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:27 PM

Subject: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link

 

Hi, everyone,

 

Recently I had to have my computer repaired. Yesterday I brought it home from the shop but found that now I can't get to the links list with NVDA f-7 or the letter K. Whoever repaired my computer must have changed some settings on it. I have the proper boxes checked but don't know why this isn't working. Here is what I was trying to do. I wanted to go to the Gmail site to find out if I had messages in my spam folder that aren't spam. When I hit K to go from link to link, all I get is K and nothing else. When I hit NVDA f-7 to go to the links list, I get a message asking if I want to turn on caret browsing. What could bee causing this?

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie  


Re: can't use the letter K to get from link to link

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Brian


Is that the one when NVDA says unknown or pane in the browsers and also unknown down on the task bar in the running applications area and also will not read out the context menu? if it is that one i have the directions up on my nvda audio tutorials page under trouble shooting.


She would have to see if it is doing the same.


Gene nz



On 11/15/2017 9:12 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
No you have the old dll deregister problem. Anyone got the link to the command line fix for this, I recently cleanened out old messages.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 10:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link


Hi, everyone,



Recently I had to have my computer repaired. Yesterday I brought it home
from the shop but found that now I can't get to the links list with NVDA f-7
or the letter K. Whoever repaired my computer must have changed some
settings on it. I have the proper boxes checked but don't know why this
isn't working. Here is what I was trying to do. I wanted to go to the Gmail
site to find out if I had messages in my spam folder that aren't spam. When
I hit K to go from link to link, all I get is K and nothing else. When I hit
NVDA f-7 to go to the links list, I get a message asking if I want to turn
on caret browsing. What could bee causing this?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Rosemarie







--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: can't use the letter K to get from link to link

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Brian


Is that the one when NVDA says unknown or pane in the browsers and also unknown down on the task bar in the running applications area and also will not read out the context menu? if it is that one i have the directions up on my nvda audio tutorials page under trouble shooting.


She would have to see if it is doing the same.


Gene nz



On 11/15/2017 9:12 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
No you have the old dll deregister problem. Anyone got the link to the command line fix for this, I recently cleanened out old messages.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 10:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link


Hi, everyone,



Recently I had to have my computer repaired. Yesterday I brought it home
from the shop but found that now I can't get to the links list with NVDA f-7
or the letter K. Whoever repaired my computer must have changed some
settings on it. I have the proper boxes checked but don't know why this
isn't working. Here is what I was trying to do. I wanted to go to the Gmail
site to find out if I had messages in my spam folder that aren't spam. When
I hit K to go from link to link, all I get is K and nothing else. When I hit
NVDA f-7 to go to the links list, I get a message asking if I want to turn
on caret browsing. What could bee causing this?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Rosemarie







--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: NVDA speaking even when it’s not loaded when there’s a problem with shut down

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Afternoon:  Does this happen if you minimum the windows when you aren't using the open windows with more than 2?

Insider Dave

On 11/13/2017 10:48 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Thats only a problem if you constantly handle more than 2 windows.

Its probably my dos days but I never handle more than 1 window weather it be background or not at any moment.

I get distracted if I have more than 1 screen up at a time including background programs in fact I only have open the things I need unless I have finnished for the day and don't need them.

That includes but is not limited to, music, resilio services, dropbox, firefox, thunderbird and skype.

The only time that works is if 1 window is doing 1 task like downloads.




On 13/11/2017 10:22 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I do think, myself that windows 7 is annoying enough and why do these screens tend to hide behind others?
I feel like some kind of kinter garden child with it.
Of course if you are in a high risk scenario then yes, but if you are careful, I'm not convinced its going to save you as its the social engineering approach that convinces you something is ok when its not that is common these days.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA speaking even when it’s not loaded when there’s a problem with shut down


Good point Gene. I don't find it annoying and this is coming from a guy
who went from XP to WIN 10 back in September 2015.


On 11/11/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:
Most of the time, UAC doesn't cause problems. All you have to do if
you hear a UAC message is issue the command alt y because you are in a
dialog and you are saying yes to the question being asked. Why, in
today's security environment, would you turn off UAC when responding
is so simple?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* The Wolf <mailto:hank.smith966@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, November 11, 2017 3:41 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA speaking even when it’s not loaded when
there’s a problem with shut down

start iac

rather start minue

type in uiac and set slider to 0


On 11/11/2017 2:35 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Speaking of uac, it used to be possible to disable that. I don’t
know if that’s still true with windows 10. It saves a lot of hassle. I
suppose there are security implications of coarse.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 11, 2017, at 1:21 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com
<mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well the uac can be.

To be honest when I get a system like this I just do a reformat and
load things myself and test, test, test.

Usually when I load my configs it doesn't do that.

If it does its bios, drivers or both.

The issue is when I have to deal with user software which gets in
the way.

I can do it that way but it takes longer, and costs the client and
myself more time.

I'd prefur to just reformat and reinstall windows and then I have
an easier time.

Ofcause after that loading each bit of software at a time will
eventually yeald the error.

9 times out of 10 at that stage its new or updated software.

And if it gets to that state I use google.

Sometimes a user needs a function and then just cracks software
that needs it or installs malware full software to get it working.

At that point I just ask them for the function and then I can
google that.

There is enough free opensource or low cost software that I either
find the entire package or the modules I need and if I am lucky a
wrapper front end to put them together.

The issue is then to convince the user to use said software.

I would to be honest ask the tech what stuff is on there.

ANd just get it reformatted and ask to get its hardware tested the
unit cleaned, sure its going to cost a bit but you have already got it
in the shop and are generating costs so get it done.

I have just had a system revived that stopped working the entire os
crashed, the system died.

Regreasing the syncs, clearing the dust and replacing the power
supply and all small fans and its up.




On 12/11/2017 8:55 a.m., Mary Otten wrote:
I have this new machine and it has NVDA on it. But in Vda does
not load at start up. We are having some problems with the machine,
and my husband thought he had narrowed it down to stuff screwing up
when you restart rather than shutting down the machine. Anyway, with
NVDA not loaded when the machine is shutting down, occasionally will
hang up and e speak will start talking. That is not the synthesizer I
have selected. But it does talk. And it is happened on a few
occasions. When he took it back to the store to let the tech look at
it, it did that once, and now the tech is blaming the whole thing on
NVDA. I’m sure that’s not correct, but I don’t know what to tell them.
Mary


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Re: firefox what was the fuss exactly?

John Isige
 

Dude, don't take this the wrong way, but maybe you might find out what
you're talking about first? You opine that if browser makers knew what
we needed access to, they could give us that, and then screen readers
wouldn't have to do this unsecure stuff. Yeah, I agree with that, and so
do the folks at Mozilla. Here's somebody claiming screen readers should
do exactly what you said they should, again, since you apparently didn't
read it the first time.


https://www.marcozehe.de/2017/09/29/rethinking-web-accessibility-on-windows/


That's literally exactly what you just said, the browser gives the
screen reader the information it needs. Do you think such a change will
happen instantaneously or something? You then further opine about
protecting idiots from "their own bad practices". Sure, it's possible
that somebody could do the classic click on a link from an email and
suffer a code injection attack. But the more problematic thing has
nothing whatsoever to do with anybody's "bad practices".


It goes like this. I think to myself, "self, let's go check the news".
So I fire up my trusty browser and go to CNN or the BBC or wherever the
hell people go for news these days. Oh look! Suddenly my browser's
freaking out and I just had financial information stolen from my system.
Surely I was the idiot for going to the CNN, right? Nope, because that
site got hacked, I had no way of knowing that, and I got hit with a code
injection attack. That's precisely the sort of thing the new Firefox is
trying to have better security against.


By your reasoning, I should turn off any antivirus programs I'm running
and go to any website I please, however bad it might look, because
you're never going to have perfect security, so why even bother? I get
that it's really frustrating that the new Firefox doesn't work for you,
I really do. But that doesn't change the fact that A., Firefox is more
secure, and B., they're literally trying to do exactly what you said
they should do in terms of accessibility, figure out what a screen
reader needs and giving it access to that information. I mean like they
are literally saying "we know this might break some things for a bit,
but we really are trying to get to better security and better
accessibility in the end, so please be patient with us".


And you literally agree with what they're intending to do when it comes
to providing accessibility, because you said it's what they should have
been doing in the first place. So why in the world are you doing nothing
but complaining, now that they're saying they have the stuff they need
to create this better form of accessibility, and they're starting to do
so? Because again, BOTH major screen readers warned everybody in advance
and gave an accessible version of the exact same browser to use. Plus as
people on this list have mentioned and experimented with, we've got two
other largely accessible browsers at our immediate disposal.


They're literally trying to make the changes you claim they should make,
and all you've been doing for the last two or three weeks is complaining
about it. They are actually trying to do the thing you think is better
for us, and all you've been doing is pissing and moaning about how we're
second class citizens and nobody cares about us poor poor blind folks!
And yes, I know I'm running this into the ground, but it's for a reason.
This is something that, however immediately painful, and it shouldn't be
that painful because you have browser choices, is something that's
intended to make the browser better for everybody, and yes that includes
us. Not only are they saying there's now a better way to do
accessibility and we're going to do that, you agree with them and think
it's the way they should have been using all along.


They couldn't, and now they can, so that's what they want to do, and it
will be, again, better for everybody. I mean it is literally the exact
opposite of treating us as second class citizens, it's saying we have a
technology we didn't have, it's better for you, give us some time to
implement it. The whole point is that we'll get improved accessibility.
How in the world is that giving us "the last dregs of the cup of tea"?


I'm sorry if this comes off like I'm picking on you or attacking you,
I'm honestly not trying to do that. I'm just honestly baffled. We've had
the reasons in front of us for about the past month about how this will
improve both accessibility and security, that's the end-game they're
trying to reach. So I just do not comprehend the whole "everybody hates
us and ignores us and we're second class citizens and I guess we're
lucky to have anything at all no no squire a stale crust of bread will
be fine for my single daily meal!" vibe you've got going on here. Had
the security change been made and then we had no mention of
accessibility whatsoever, I'd kind of see your point I guess. But that's
just not what happened at all. It looks to me like this was prepared for
in advance, hence the posts about Firefox ESR, and that the intent is to
offer a stronger path for accessibility going forward, now that the
technology has changed to allow it.

On 11/15/2017 2:03, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Its no less secure today than yesterday. There are people out there
who will find a way to hack into everything. The game everyone is
playing to try to close every conceivable loop hole or way to exploit
windows and other systems  will carry on no matter what of course.
Unfortunately if correct checks ad balances were carried out in the
code to see if it really is a screenreader then why worry? In my view
some of the dirty ways screenreaders have to use to get proper access
to the data point toward those designing APIs for screenreader use as
poor at their job. No hooking in and fiddling should be needed if they
knew what we needed access to in a secure way.Sadly the world does not
revolve around minority users and so we get the  last dregs of the cup
of tea. Protecting idiots from their own bad practices is more
important. users need to actually learn to be more careful and stop
trying to pretend the world on line is more safe than off. There are
some areas of town I'd not go after dark, and I do not expect a line
of police there to stop me being foolish enough to do it.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


Well if it comes to that, then as a blind person I will have to use
an unsecured brouser.

Firefox 56 with noscript can be secure enough its a pitty that it
will be not secure but well.

Lets hope that both makers and access tech upgrades to the new
technologies and can use them.

Chrome is allready using web extentions the only issue I have with
chrome are some dialogs for their security screens.

I also don't care for the multiple clickables meaning I have to just
not do anything about that.




On 15/11/2017 7:19 a.m., Gene wrote:
It isn't just a question of security and I don't know enough about
the technical aspects of security to comment on that regarding
screen-readers.

But the statement from Mozilla, reproduced in Marco's Accessibility
Blog, makes it clear that many changes are to deal efficiently with
web pages that are increasingly interactive and complex.  An
important reason changes are being made regarding accessibility is
because of the changes in web page design that have and are
occurring as the Internet takes on more complex functions.  Indeed,
it looks to me as though Chrome will have to do the same sorts of
things at some point and that one reason Edge was inaccessible after
its release is because these sorts of changes are already built into
the browser, although someone who knows more than my very slight bit
of reading on the subject I did may correct or modify what I'm saying.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 12:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


Well for security reasons you may have to but to be honest, I agree,
the
new firefox engine secure as it is means a lot of stuff we are used to
is gone and a few more niggles.

I'd actually prefur if they just kept 56.x secured as it is.

Chrome was the quickest way for me to stay secure and in business.

However if I didn't care firefox 56 would have been what I do.

Ofcause if I could fine a way without doodling with complex addons to
make my ff 52 broadcast a firefox 56 or higher on some sites then I'd
have no issue with it.

I still prefur firefox to chrome for its ease of use but they are going
to make it newer so.

To be honest if mozilla do what they say they are doing I do hope
something comes up next year, if firefox gets better then maybe I
switch
back to firefox.




On 14/11/2017 10:11 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
wrote:
Well the beta I tried simply refused to say anything but unknown on
any page, though most of the menus still worked.

I'm not inclined to update since I use the sound, particularly the one
when a page has fully loaded and the one that tells me a link has in
fact activated and of course download complete


I have seen elsewhere where people think these sounds are pointless. I
dispute this as everyone is different and I really only use browsers
where I can actually hear that things are going on. for example I've
always noticed that screenreaders sometimes do not figure out the page
has loaded, but navigational sounds does and hence allows me to re
focus the screenreader.
Also I would not know if a download had completed if the download pane
was hidden without a sound.
Some links click but clickables do not so sometimes you can figure out
what is which sort of link on a page this way. In a way it would be
even better if button link and clickable had different sounds to save
one getting confused.

I think the list of things some of us want in a browser is obviously
going to be different to what the sighted want, so one will really
need somebody at Mozilla etc to write blind specific add ons for a
browser.
Its far easier when trying to teach somebody how to use a browser to
be able to say, if you do not hear x then its not worked.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss"
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:42 PM
Subject: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


Hi.

Well While brousing firefox ftp today I decided to try firefox 57 as
it was on releases today.

What exactly was the fuss?

Firefox interface loads fast, no lag, but I havn't tried big sites
maybe a couple seconds for audiogames forum.

Addons, noscript, aparently this will not work till actual release of
firefox.

Navigational sounds.

I am trying to find a replacement, the author of this said that
because the new interface doesn't allow for registry access one can't
get the list of events to do things with.

I tried 3 of them so far.

Notification sound, noise and download sound.

Download sound has no options or rather any way I can configure it to
suit.

Noise has options but there are no default events set and I tried to
add what I wanted and define its sounds but I can't set values and
going to its website found that while there is a web version all
features are basically not there.

Notification sound is another, but its got no options screen.

Something like noise would be fine if it had an default event list
which just used the windows schemes directly to the files etc.

I only need web navigation start and end, and download complete as a
start.

If there was a way I could easily add events, or something that would
be good but I'd like a list for beginners I could import.

Over those though, I did notice and turn on the extra privacy
protection, I have left active the unwanted software protection but I
heard from some that this can cause problems.

I also read the article about accessibility services and how they can
be misused.

It does say if you have a compatible jaws or nvda active on your
system that you should leave this active.

This is interesting, dolphin stuff is not on this list it makes me
wander, while I do use dolphin stuff myself for things their web
stuff is only for ie and ie 6-8 mainly.

Still its an observation only.

I must say off the bat what I really like about firefox are the easy
option layouts, I just wish there was a way to extend them to well
have extras for addons rather than mucking about with the manager.

I do like the fact you can have arrow navigation on.

I did get noscript revived but when I hit a site with scripts on it
never actually notified me at all.

I guess I have to fiddle with it, I do hope thatnoscript does go out
and get released.

Today is the 14th in nz and tomorrow it will be 14th in us and so, I
am probably going to have to keep firefox 57 loaded though I am
tempted to drop back to 56.02 for now and get my sounds back.






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Re: Weather Plus? update

Lino Morales
 

Awesome sauce. I just hope it isn't burr and windy like it is where I am here in NC..

On 11/15/2017 1:47 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Thank you very much.  The deed is done.
Howard

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weather Plus? update


Howard. Prefferences. Up arrow from their and Weather Plus has a submenu. Right arrow to that. Then down to check for upgrade as the wording says.

On 11/15/2017 1:24 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
When I start my NVDA, the weather add-on tells me that there is an update and to check some menu to download it. I don't know where to find what it is referring to. Any ideas? Thanks.

Howard




Re: Help with screen review command, please.

ADRIAN POCOCK
 

information about navigation of pages.

hi gene.
i also needed this command.
thanks for your help, God bless you.

On 11/14/17, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@gmail.com> wrote:
Just tried Gene's instructions, and it worked beautifully. Again, thank you
for the help. That makes my life a million! times easier!
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From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help with screen review command, please.


Gene, thank you.

This is perfect! Exactly what I needed.
---
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help with screen review command, please.


Shift numpad 7, move to top of screen.
Shift numpad 1, move to the start of whatever line you are on. Shift
numpad three to move to the end.
You can route and click the mouse, as you know. You can also use the
command numpad insert numpad enter to perform the default action on whatever
item you are on, if there is a default action that can be performed there.
It may not always work or perform the action you want so you can try both
methods if one doesn't work.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 7:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Help with screen review command, please.


OK, let's start with the specs:

NVDA 2017.3, Windows 10 Professional 64 bit on the latest non-insider
build, all updates have been successfully applied, and yes, I do have the
most up to date Windows 10 Essentials.

OK, so here is my situation.

I'm using Poikosoft's EZ Audio Converter to rip a few CD's I bought back
in the days.

That however notwithstanding, this program, in general, is super, and I
do mean, super! super heavy on either screen review, or object navigation.
BTW, if you're trying this with JAWS, forget it!

Anyway, here's what happens. With the NVDA desktop layout, I'm hitting
NVDA+Numpad 7 to move to screen review, as I still am having issues getting
the hang of object nav, but even the bit I do use it, it's not making things
any quicker in this case.

I'm then pressing and holding down numpad 7 for about 2 seconds, to
quickly move myself to the top line of the screen within screen review.

So, my first question is, rather than hitting numpad 7 over and over
again, or holding it down letting key repeat take over and eventually get me
to the top of the screen, is there a command within screen review mode that
will move to the very top left most item on the screen?

Then, next, I'm hitting numpad 9 to move down a line. The rip CD icon
which needs to be manually clicked with screen review mode, is at the far
right of this line on the screen. Therefore, after I hit numpad 9, I'm then
having to hit numpad 6 to move word by word at least a good 6 or 7 times
before I hit the icon. Then, I'm having to route the mouse to my screen
review with NVDA+numpad slash, then hit numpad slash to click.

I'm just thinking, there's gotta! be an easier way than this.

Typically, what I'd like is hit NVDA+numpad 7 to move to screen review,
then hit one command to move to the top left of the screen, hit another
command to move down one line with review, probably numpad 9, then hit
another key which I don't know, to move to the end of that line within
screen review. This way, rather than having to hit numpad 6 to move word by
word by word across that line, I could just quickly move to the end of that
line, which would then naturally focus me on the rip button, then I could
simply just route my mouse, click, and presto. Done!

So basically, the question is, how to move to the top left corner of the
screen within screen review, and then, how to move to the end of the current
line within review mode's focus.

Chris.

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Re: Weather Plus? update

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

Thank you very much. The deed is done.
Howard

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From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weather Plus? update


Howard. Prefferences. Up arrow from their and Weather Plus has a submenu. Right arrow to that. Then down to check for upgrade as the wording says.

On 11/15/2017 1:24 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
When I start my NVDA, the weather add-on tells me that there is an update and to check some menu to download it. I don't know where to find what it is referring to. Any ideas? Thanks.

Howard


Re: nvda and chrome reader mode

 

what was that other ixtention with the sound pack on it?


On 11/15/2017 11:38 AM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

useful chrome addon

cleans up web page making it easier to read. murcury reader.

and you activate it by pressing alt grave accent, sometimes called single quote. to the left of number 1 on the top number row. this brings up a new window with a close murcury reader at the top and the article nicely formatted without links and ads and video clutter is down below. I am really starting to like chrome more than I like firefox right now. It's really fast and the free murcury reader addon lets me read articles without clutter. murcury reader also has a button that lets you send any web article directly to an amazon kindle if you have one. It's quite nice. now if we get NVDA working good in chrome with google docs sheets and slides that would be good.




nvda and chrome reader mode

ADRIAN POCOCK
 

useful chrome addon

cleans up web page making it easier to read. murcury reader.

and you activate it by pressing alt grave accent, sometimes called single quote. to the left of number 1 on the top number row. this brings up a new window with a close murcury reader at the top and the article nicely formatted without links and ads and video clutter is down below. I am really starting to like chrome more than I like firefox right now. It's really fast and the free murcury reader addon lets me read articles without clutter. murcury reader also has a button that lets you send any web article directly to an amazon kindle if you have one. It's quite nice. now if we get NVDA working good in chrome with google docs sheets and slides that would be good.



Re: Weather Plus? update

Lino Morales
 

Howard. Prefferences. Up arrow from their and Weather Plus has a submenu. Right arrow to that. Then down to check for upgrade as the wording says.

On 11/15/2017 1:24 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
When I start my NVDA, the weather add-on tells me that there is an update and to check some menu to download it.  I don't know where to find what it is referring to.  Any ideas?  Thanks.

Howard


Weather Plus? update

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

When I start my NVDA, the weather add-on tells me that there is an update and to check some menu to download it. I don't know where to find what it is referring to. Any ideas? Thanks.

Howard


Re: firefox updating and becoming unusable

Dejan Ristic
 

Here is a link to solve your puzzle. Do not worry!


https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-halloween-2017-edition/


On 15/11/2017 15:44, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io wrote:

Can someone tell me what just happened.

I opened firefox and it says is updating to latest version and it updated.

Now it does not work with nvda or even jaws.

Please help.

Thanks