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Can I deactivate Touch screen support while still having the speech output from NVDA 2017.3 running?
Andre
I’m basically a new NVDA user. Here’s my issue.
I was wondering about NVDA and touch screens. I have to help my son access ABC Mouse on a pc running Windows 10 (fall creators). It seems like something has changed. Maybe not though. Basically my question is:
Is it possible to keep NVDA running (for me) and still allow him to just use the regular touch screen gestures? For instance, when I have him on YouTube and I’m running NVDA so I can choose what I want him to watch, he can’t just tap on play/pause and have it play or pause the video. I have to completely quit NVDA. After doing a Google search, I tried the sleep mode, but that didn’t seem to work either. So are there any addons I can get to negate the nvda touch gestures, etc.?
Hopefully you understand what I’m asking. If not, please let me know. By the way, I’m no NVDA expert either. I know he can just touch the screen when I’m running Window-Eyes, but my browse mode feature disappeared and that was WE 9.5.4. I’m trying NVDA 2017.3. I think that’s what it’s called. So is there a way to keep NVDA running and turn off its touch support? I figure if I can do that, then that will kind of simulate Window-Eyes’ browse mode.
Thanks a lot for your help.
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Changes in the options menu and an important missing setting
Gene
The options interface has changed and has problems
in the new version. It looks to me as though it is supposed to be a web
page or more or less web page-like interface. For whatever reason, NVDA
can't be placed in browse mode when in options and that means that in some
fields, related text can't be read. For example, there is text you can see
with object navigation related to the check to see if Firefox is the default
browser that tells you whether firefox is currently the default browser. I
haven't looked carefully through the perhaps sixty or seventy settings looking
for occasional text that I have to find with object navigation or using alt b to
have NVDA read every object on the screen, but I suspect there is text for
certain other settings that isn't read and can't be moved to by tabbing.
Tabbing is the only way to move through the interface from the
keyboard.
The interface has been significantly rearranged,
with only four categories and different groupings such as startup in each
category. You tab through them all and through every item in every
grouping. There is no command to move from grouping to grouping when
working within a certain category. If you don't want to work in a certain
grouping, it doesn't matter. If there are five items in the grouping, you
must tab through each one. It's like ribbons without the commands that
make ribbons efficient to work with.
Since the intent seemns to be to imitate ribbons in
the layout, I think the move by grouping commands used in ribbons should be
provided, that is, control right arrow and control left arrow to move forward
and backward by grouping. Those who don't like ribbons or are afraid of
them don't have to worry. You work with the interface as you always have,
but there are a lot more items to tab through in each category. Therefore,
a means is necessary to allow the user to move by grouping.
And, this is very important, where is the command
to have Firefox alert you if a page tries to refresh or redirect? I didn't
find it and I don't think it's there. I searched carefully and
repeatedly. This is a crucial command.
Gene
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Re: nvda2017.4 rc1 and google translate in latest google chrome
Gene
Did you manually turn off browse mode with NVDA key
space bar? If you do, it shouldn't automatically change to browse mode as
long as your manual choice is in effect.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:05 PM
Subject: [nvda] nvda2017.4 rc1 and google translate in latest google
chrome hi when in google chrome and I go to translate.google.com and I try expanding the list boxes to choose a language
it keeps putting me back into browse mode no matter what I do. I cannot choose a
source and target language to do translation. Is there a workaround for this? I
even tried object nav, and the mouse, no luck. thanks for any ideas. Josh -- sent with mozilla thunderbird
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nvda2017.4 rc1 and google translate in latest google chrome
Josh Kennedy
hi when in google chrome and I go to translate.google.com and I try expanding the list boxes to choose
a language it keeps putting me back into browse mode no matter
what I do. I cannot choose a source and target language to do
translation. Is there a workaround for this? I even tried object
nav, and the mouse, no luck.
thanks for any ideas.
Josh
-- sent with mozilla thunderbird
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Re: firefox updating and becoming unusable
Gene
If it's checked you can't get to it to uncheck it
because the program isn't accessible enough to do so. It is unchecked by default. If you are using the program and
able to use it to an extent, the check box is already unchecked. If people
want to experiment, use the new version. If not, use the ESR version until
the inconveniences and problems some people are having have been worked out in
the new versions.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: abdul muhamin
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox updating and becoming
unusable Hi all. The firefox latest version is working on my side. I’m using NVDA. Do the following. Go to options. And then privacy, and find something like prevent accessibility survices from accessing firefox checkbox, if its checked. Uncheck it
regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
From: Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io
Ah does it indeed? Interesting. But I'm going to avoid it till at least 59 from what I've been reading recently. Brian
bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io" <wsautodidata@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox updating and becoming unusable
> One of the issues may be related with that alert asking if you want to > accept web push from the site you are accessing. > > If it appears and you press keys to continue reading the web page, all > stops working. > > > > Em 16/11/2017 07:29, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escreveu: >> If that is the checkbox its already unchecked by default, next person >> with a good idea? >> Brian >> >> bglists@... >> Sent via blueyonder. >> Please address personal email to:- >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >> in the display name field. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dejan Ristic" <r.dejan83@...> >> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 6:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox updating and becoming unusable >> >> >>> Here is a link to solve your puzzle. Do not worry! >>> >>> >>> https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-halloween-2017-edition/ >>> >>> >>> On 15/11/2017 15:44, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io wrote: >>>> >>>> Can someone tell me what just happened. >>>> >>>> I opened firefox and it says is updating to latest version and it >>>> updated. >>>> >>>> Now it does not work with nvda or even jaws. >>>> >>>> Please help. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > >
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Re: firefox updating and becoming unusable
abdul muhamin
Hi all. The firefox latest version is working on my side. I’m using NVDA. Do the following. Go to options. And then privacy, and find something like prevent accessibility survices from accessing firefox checkbox, if its checked. Uncheck it
regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:33 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox updating and becoming unusable
Ah does it indeed? Interesting. But I'm going to avoid it till at least 59 from what I've been reading recently. Brian
bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io" <wsautodidata@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox updating and becoming unusable
> One of the issues may be related with that alert asking if you want to > accept web push from the site you are accessing. > > If it appears and you press keys to continue reading the web page, all > stops working. > > > > Em 16/11/2017 07:29, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escreveu: >> If that is the checkbox its already unchecked by default, next person >> with a good idea? >> Brian >> >> bglists@... >> Sent via blueyonder. >> Please address personal email to:- >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >> in the display name field. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dejan Ristic" <r.dejan83@...> >> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 6:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox updating and becoming unusable >> >> >>> Here is a link to solve your puzzle. Do not worry! >>> >>> >>> https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-halloween-2017-edition/ >>> >>> >>> On 15/11/2017 15:44, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io wrote: >>>> >>>> Can someone tell me what just happened. >>>> >>>> I opened firefox and it says is updating to latest version and it >>>> updated. >>>> >>>> Now it does not work with nvda or even jaws. >>>> >>>> Please help. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > >
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Re: Resolved New Firefox Issue but Help with Permanence?
Gene
You shouldn't use that version. Use the
extended release version, ESR. It allows you to use the same version of
the program for about a year, from its initial release. The program
won't be upgraded until June of next year. It will receive security
updates so it will not beome more vulnerable to malicious exploits over the time
from now until then.
If others don't give you download information in a
reasonable time, I'll check it.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: David Russell
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 1:28 PM
Subject: [nvda] Resolved New Firefox Issue but Help with
Permanence? I was able to do a system restore, which took me back to a point before installing the new FireFox Update. How do I ensure that the older version remains intact and is not over-ridden with a new update that turns out to be difficult to use? Again, I am on a Windows 7 Computer and using the 2016 release of NVDA. Thanks. -- David Russell david.sonofhashem@... "chilah phanim" Make G-d smile!
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Re: Resolved New Firefox Issue but Help with Permanence?
Richard Kuzma
Good afternoon,
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Go into tools / options Then tab around and select never update and then tab some more and uncheck allow download from other server or something to that affect. Just for fyi. I was able to just load the version one back over top the fifty seven version without any trouble. So saved on a system restore and so on in case anyone is interested. Let me know if I am incorrect on any of this, Thanks Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Russell Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 2:28 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Resolved New Firefox Issue but Help with Permanence? Hello group members and concerned users, I was able to do a system restore, which took me back to a point before installing the new FireFox Update. How do I ensure that the older version remains intact and is not over-ridden with a new update that turns out to be difficult to use? Again, I am on a Windows 7 Computer and using the 2016 release of NVDA. Thanks. -- David Russell david.sonofhashem@gmail.com "chilah phanim" Make G-d smile!
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Re: Windows OneCore voices and rate of speech
Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi
if i remember right unless it has been fixed there was a bug where you could not ajust the speed in nvda for the one core voices. it had to be done in narrator. I back then ajusted the speed there then was able to ajust the speed in nvda. I think the bug was going to be fixed either in microsoft with a update if i remember right. It might of been done?
Gene nz
On 11/18/2017 7:18 AM, Felix G. wrote:
--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers.
To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert exam.
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Re: Resolved New Firefox Issue but Help with Permanence?
Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi
Do you not mean the 2017.3 release of nvda. It would have any fixes needed up to that point where 57 came out.
Gene nz
On 11/18/2017 8:28 AM, David Russell wrote:
Hello group members and concerned users, I was able to do a system restore, which took me back to a point before installing the new FireFox Update. How do I ensure that the older version remains intact and is not over-ridden with a new update that turns out to be difficult to use? Again, I am on a Windows 7 Computer and using the 2016 release of NVDA. Thanks. --
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers.
To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert exam.
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Resolved New Firefox Issue but Help with Permanence?
David Russell
Hello group members and concerned users,
I was able to do a system restore, which took me back to a point before installing the new FireFox Update. How do I ensure that the older version remains intact and is not over-ridden with a new update that turns out to be difficult to use? Again, I am on a Windows 7 Computer and using the 2016 release of NVDA. Thanks. -- David Russell david.sonofhashem@gmail.com "chilah phanim" Make G-d smile!
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Re: Windows OneCore voices and rate of speech
Felix G.
Hi! Thank you, that worked great for me!Greg Wocher <gwocher@...> schrieb am Fr., 17. Nov. 2017 um 19:34 Uhr:
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Re: Windows OneCore voices and rate of speech
Greg Wocher
Hello,
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If you go into windows speech settings you can increase the rate there. This will then cause the rate in NVDA to speed up too. Regards, Greg Wocher
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Windows OneCore voices and rate of speech
Felix G.
Hello list! Seems I'm doing something very wrong and need someone to enlighten me. ;-) I'm trying to use the OneCore voices with NVDA. It works to some degree but even if I set the rate to 100 it doesn't get anywhere close to the speed I can set with Narrator. So I switched back to Espeak which, at 40 and speed boost, is about right for me. So my question is, what do I need to set in order for NVDA to really make use of the power of those Windows voices? Best regards, Felix
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Re: NVDA with New Firefox Update
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Erm this is webmail i assume. Sorry found ggogle webmail even the classic version to be a really awkward and laggy experience.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:20 PM Subject: [nvda] NVDA with New Firefox Update Hello NVDA Group,
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Re: Waves
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Yes, well I created the zip file and put it on the cloud in case I needed it one day. personally i find the new sounds too short and inaudible but then I am 67, and my upper registers are not going to be like they were when I was 17, are they?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Damien Sykes-Lindley" <damien@dcpendleton.plus.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Waves Hi, I actually didn’t think you could get the waves as a zip file. They usually come packaged with NVDA itself. As for backing up, I know what you’re saying. I was merely commenting that most people aren’t aware of automatic and/or dedicated backup solutions and may not know how to go about backing up more obscure application-specific data as opposed to personal data. Personally, I’m paranoid about backing up. I learned my lesson back in 2014 when my one and only drive completely died with no hope of recovery, damaging the disc so much that even any new heads that were installed would instantly be damaged. Now, if I were going to teach someone how to back up, I could take up a 30 minute lecture getting them to spend over a thousand and setting up a four-bay JBOD system on a RAID 1 configuration as the working drive, a separate hard drive for deep backups and archiving, an FTP server, and a copy of SyncBack Pro. Lol. Cheers. Damien. From: Gene Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 4:49 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Waves I understand your point but when dealing with computers, you should always assume that the unexpected might happen. You don't have to continually back up the waves folder. You would download it and save it once as a backup after it is downloaded. You could just back up the zip file. I never assume that some unexpected thing won't happen. but I didn't comment on this just because of some wave files which is not a major problem. But I see, repeatedly, people losing lots of files because they don't back things up. And over time, even things that are easy to find now may not be. I don't mind sending the link, although someone already did. I have it on another machine and I didn't look for it before it was sent. I'm concerned about anyone on the list who is following the thread who doesn't back up everything they don't want to lose. You never know what you might lose when, perhaps years from now, and that will no longer be available. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Damien Sykes-Lindley Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 10:19 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Waves Hi, To be fair, I do tons of automatically scheduled backups to various systems and drives. But were I to do it all manually, the Waves directory in NVDA is one place I would likely forget to back up. Especially if it’s not a portable installation. I also found it surprising that an NVDA upgrade would replace literally everything, even files that you have modified. I’d think, due to experience as much as anything else, that it would leave all newer files and replace older ones. Skype, for instance, doesn’t replace sounds you may or may not have imported. It resets sound preferences sometimes, which can get annoying as hell, but it doesn’t replace them. Cheers. Damien. From: Gene Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:06 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Waves You should keep everything you don't want to lose. I don't know if you back things up but that applies to backing things up as well. Never assume you won't lose something, even something like this. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Milam Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:27 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Waves Hi All, Can someone provide me with a link to get the new NVDA Waves folder sounds? They were overwritten by the latest version. Thanks, Jonathan
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Re: Important notice for speakers of non-English languages: NVDA's About dialog is shown in English in 2017.4 RC, developers are investigating
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
On the other hand of course our old friend unicode might have a role to play here as it seems to do every so often.... grin.
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From: "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Important notice for speakers of non-English languages: NVDA's About dialog is shown in English in 2017.4 RC, developers are investigating No its being discussed. I'm not sure if this happens only the first time or all the time, if its only the first time it might be due to the way files are now updated by the installer. Try a complete windows restart.
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Re: Important notice for speakers of non-English languages: NVDA's About dialog is shown in English in 2017.4 RC, developers are investigating
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I noticed a lot of unicode fixes about this time which I did not understand, could it be that this is the underlying cause?
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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:37 PM Subject: [nvda] Important notice for speakers of non-English languages: NVDA's About dialog is shown in English in 2017.4 RC, developers are investigating Hi everyone,
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Re: Waves
Gene
The waves didn't originally come as a zip
file. If the link given was the link I sent to the list a few months ago,
that was to a zip file I made to send to the list from an old snapshot portable
copy I just never got around to deleting.
My backups aren't elaborate but they are
dependable. I use one external drive on site, and thumb drives so I have
two copies of newer material. I keep another external drive in a bank
safety deposit box and I bring it home occasionally to update it. Then, I
reuse the thumb drives so I always have two copies of all files I don't want to
lose.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Hi,
I actually didn’t think you could get the waves as a zip file. They usually
come packaged with NVDA itself.
As for backing up, I know what you’re saying. I was merely commenting that
most people aren’t aware of automatic and/or dedicated backup solutions and may
not know how to go about backing up more obscure application-specific data as
opposed to personal data.
Personally, I’m paranoid about backing up. I learned my lesson back in 2014
when my one and only drive completely died with no hope of recovery, damaging
the disc so much that even any new heads that were installed would instantly be
damaged.
Now, if I were going to teach someone how to back up, I could take up a 30
minute lecture getting them to spend over a thousand and setting up a four-bay
JBOD system on a RAID 1 configuration as the working drive, a separate hard
drive for deep backups and archiving, an FTP server, and a copy of SyncBack Pro.
Lol.
Cheers.
Damien. I understand your point but when dealing with
computers, you should always assume that the unexpected might happen. You
don't have to continually back up the waves folder. You would download it
and save it once as a backup after it is downloaded. You could just back
up the zip file. I never assume that some unexpected thing won't
happen. but I didn't comment on this just because of some wave files which
is not a major problem. But I see, repeatedly, people losing lots of files
because they don't back things up. And over time, even things that are
easy to find now may not be.
I don't mind sending the link, although someone
already did. I have it on another machine and I didn't look for it before
it was sent. I'm concerned about anyone on the list who is following the
thread who doesn't back up everything they don't want to lose. You never
know what you might lose when, perhaps years from now, and that will no longer
be available.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Hi,
To be fair, I do tons of automatically scheduled backups to various systems
and drives. But were I to do it all manually, the Waves directory in NVDA is one
place I would likely forget to back up. Especially if it’s not a portable
installation.
I also found it surprising that an NVDA upgrade would replace literally
everything, even files that you have modified. I’d think, due to experience as
much as anything else, that it would leave all newer files and replace older
ones. Skype, for instance, doesn’t replace sounds you may or may not have
imported. It resets sound preferences sometimes, which can get annoying as hell,
but it doesn’t replace them.
Cheers.
Damien. You should keep everything you don't want to
lose. I don't know if you back things up but that applies to backing
things up as well. Never assume you won't lose something, even something
like this.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Can someone provide me with a link to get the new NVDA Waves folder sounds? They were overwritten by the latest version. Thanks, Jonathan
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NVDA with New Firefox Update
David Russell
Hello NVDA Group,
Can someone tell me how to turn on speech in Gmail so that NVDA will read text that I type or generate when going back to proofread what has been written? Also, if I backspace, NVDA with the new Firefox Update, does not announce each letter, but remains silent. I have an automatic email signature, and now, NVDA does not read that when I down arrow at the end of my created email. It is reading word by word as I type though. Thanks in advance, as I receive the digest form. David Russell -- David Russell david.sonofhashem@gmail.com "chilah phanim" Make G-d smile!
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