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Re: espeak

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Anthony,

I agree here. I've tried other synths and E-speak is the clearest of them all. I'm using the Max variant and it's very clear. Instead of complaining, we should be grateful for such a great screen reader like NVDA. Mick and Jamy have done a terrific job with it.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: Antony Stone [mailto:Antony.Stone@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 2:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] espeak

If anyone can suggest an open source synthesiser which is better than espeak, and which NVDA could include, then please suggest it.

Complaints such as "X is crap" without any proposal for what would be a better alternative, are rather useless.

Do people here really expect Mick and Jamie, plus the other developers of NVDA, to create a speech synthesiser as well as a screenreader?

By all means offer better alternatives to what is available, but otherwise please remember that this is free software, and if you don't like what it can do, there are more expensive alternatives.


Antony.

On Thursday 21 April 2016 at 22:58:24, Peter Beasley wrote:

As far as I am concerned, Espeak should be called C speak. The C
standing for crap.

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] espeak

i for one would love to have sapi version of espeak-ng with edward voice.
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Re: espeak

Antony Stone
 

If anyone can suggest an open source synthesiser which is better than espeak,
and which NVDA could include, then please suggest it.

Complaints such as "X is crap" without any proposal for what would be a better
alternative, are rather useless.

Do people here really expect Mick and Jamie, plus the other developers of
NVDA, to create a speech synthesiser as well as a screenreader?

By all means offer better alternatives to what is available, but otherwise
please remember that this is free software, and if you don't like what it can
do, there are more expensive alternatives.


Antony.

On Thursday 21 April 2016 at 22:58:24, Peter Beasley wrote:

As far as I am concerned, Espeak should be called C speak. The C standing
for crap.

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] espeak

i for one would love to have sapi version of espeak-ng with edward voice.
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Re: NVDA dictation bridge

Shaun Everiss
 

Wow nice campaign but to pricy.
The perks way out of my range bar the 50 dollar one and I want something a bit more than a thank you tweat.

On 22/04/2016 7:25 a.m., Josh Kennedy wrote:



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: dictation bridge
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 11:43:18 -0700
From: lucia greco <lucy@...>
Reply-To: eyes-free@...
To: eyes-free <eyes-free@...>, accessible
<accessible@...>



hello and apology for the cross posting.
I am part of a team that is wanting to expand access of blind screen
reader users to dictation products. we are currently running an
INDIEGOGO campaign to achieve this goal.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/dictationbridge#/
if your interested in being able to use ms speech recognition with a
screen reader or dragon naturally speaking this product is for you.
we already have a prototype that can echo back dictation in to g-mail
and other windows apps. we can't yet interact with all of the windows
elements that we hope to but will do so shortly when we receive our
funding. please share this campaign widely and think about joining us
by donating to this free and open source product to make it available to
every one Lucy



lucia Greco
http://accessaces.com
follow me on twitter @accessaces
Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Shaun Everiss
 

well espeak ng sounds a bit better but not much more.

On 21/04/2016 10:13 p.m., Mallard wrote:
I think Espeak sounds much much better in Android. Why could that be?
Just curious... In fact, it's my superfavourite in Android. I tried
other voices, including Acapela Vittorio (which I have for Voice Dream
Reader), but I don't really like them.


I suppose it's a matter of variant, but I haven't been able to detect
which variant is used in Android, to select it for NvDA also.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 21/04/2016 11:53, Eigeldinger Simon ha scritto:
I guess in nvda 2016.1 they use espeak 1.48.15.
Just the next and i guex the master daily builds have espeak ng.

You find those here:
http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/


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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Christo Vorster [mailto:christo.vorster@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 11:50
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Hi

What version of ESpeak is currently used with NVDA 2016.1?

How do I get ESpeajk-NG?

Regards

Christo

-----Original Message-----
From: ChrisLeo [mailto:llajta@...]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on
developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more
languages than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a
knoun issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew
voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but the
intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong, and after
a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!








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Re: nvda-kor.org warning problem message

Shaun Everiss
 

well then its a fake patch.
Remember in most cases unless otherwise or you have not load autoupdate services mozilla programs and addons actualy make prity sure you never see their updates and while that could be a problem if things screw up, you in theory don't need to see unless it says its why I use their stuff.

On 22/04/2016 5:51 a.m., Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
Hello Sean.
Thank you for this info.
I checked my firefox version, and it is the latest one the 45.02 i
think it is.
I appreciate the help.

Scott

On 4/21/2016 3:44 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
well go to the about page and see what your firefox version is.
45.0.2 was released according to mozilla on the 11th of april.
Ofcause if you have update services on for mozilla programs you will
not ever see any patches, as they are autoloaded in the background,
sometimes you will have to restart or get a message that things are
updating, but in most cases it just does unless it doesn't in which
case it will tell you it needs to download a fresh coppy which it will
then do and install.
There have been fake updates out there ofcause.
None for this year.
The last patch was 11 april.
It may therefore be that it will be safe to upgrade the patch.
If you go to help abbout there will be an update button, or a restart
button, and such.
Even if you don't and close firefox it will update itself unless you
don't have a right version.
going to firefox.com will either congradulate you that you are updated
or say you need one.
Ofcause there are a few fake malware sites and addons for firefox but
the last reported on google search first page was sometime in 2014.
Its most likely the true deal.
One issue with firefox and all mozilla programs I have found is that
it does not always report the site right it may in fact support the
site you are on as a parent site rather than the child site you are
going to.
Especially if its a direct download.
Say I am brousing microsoft support but get a direct download from
dropbox or another update or something.
In the download library it will say it came from microsoft which it
didn't.
If that site has a web page associated with a file it will report right.




On 21/04/2016 2:08 p.m., Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
Hello.
I was just sitting on the site tonight reading the teamtalk instructions
and about the events.

Suddenly i got a message that i needed to install a firefox patch, it
was from a site that i did not recognize, so i stopped it, thanksfully.
But i was told my volnerability was 93%.
I just thought I should ask, was i smart in not letting that go through,
or is there really a patch for firefox.
Thank you

Scott



.
Re: espeak

Peter Beasley
 

As far as I am concerned, Espeak should be called C speak. The C standing for crap.

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] espeak

i for one would love to have sapi version of espeak-ng with edward voice.

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Re: Need Help Activating Acapela Voices

Kelly Sapergia
 

Hi Chris,

I tried uninstalling and reinstalling the app, but the same thing happens. I'm beginning to wonder if it's the result of a Windows update or something. I tried setting Firefox as my default browser, but that didn't help either. Here's what I get when I try to register:

"A script error has occured on this page.
Line: 2257
Char: 13
Error: Unable to get property 'scrollHeight' of undefined or null reference
Code: 0
URL:
file:///C:/Users/Owner/AppData/Roaming/nvda/addons/Acapela%20TTS%20Voices%20for%20NVDA/synthDrivers/tts/Util0/HDLG.HTML?DLG_Template=RemakeKeyRequireDlg"

I've already contacted the company about this, but thought I'd ask here in case anyone else experienced this issue.

Thanks.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
Show Host and Production Director
The Global Voice Internet Radio
http://www.theglobalvoice.info

Personal Website: http://www.ksapergia.net
Business Website (KJS Productions): http://www.kjsproductions.com
Follow me on Twitter at: kjsapergia
NVDA dictation bridge

Josh Kennedy
 




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: dictation bridge
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 11:43:18 -0700
From: lucia greco <lucy@...>
Reply-To: eyes-free@...
To: eyes-free <eyes-free@...>, accessible <accessible@...>


hello and apology for the cross posting.
I am part of a team that is wanting to expand access of blind screen reader users to dictation products. we are currently running an INDIEGOGO campaign to achieve this goal.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/dictationbridge#/
if your interested in being able to use ms speech recognition with a screen reader  or dragon  naturally speaking this product is for you.
we already have a prototype that can echo back dictation in to g-mail and other windows apps. we can't yet interact with all of the windows elements that we hope to but will do so shortly when we receive our funding.  please share this campaign widely and think about joining us by donating to this free and open source product to make it available to every one Lucy



lucia Greco
http://accessaces.com
follow me on twitter @accessaces
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NVDA Con recordings?

Antony Stone
 

Hi.

Will the sessions for NVDA Con be recorded, so that those of us who either
can't join in at the time, due to timezone differences, or other commitments,
or else can't run Teamviewer, can hear afterwards what took place?

Thanks,


Antony.

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Re: Need Help Activating Acapela Voices

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hi Kelly,
I'm running Windows 8.1 and I haven't had that problem. It's activated just fine for me. Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling the add-on? Maybe it didn't install correctly the first time.
Chris
Re: nvda-kor.org warning problem message

Scott VanDeWalle
 

Hello Sean.
Thank you for this info.
I checked my firefox version, and it is the latest one the 45.02 i think it is.
I appreciate the help.

Scott

On 4/21/2016 3:44 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
well go to the about page and see what your firefox version is.
45.0.2 was released according to mozilla on the 11th of april.
Ofcause if you have update services on for mozilla programs you will not ever see any patches, as they are autoloaded in the background, sometimes you will have to restart or get a message that things are updating, but in most cases it just does unless it doesn't in which case it will tell you it needs to download a fresh coppy which it will then do and install.
There have been fake updates out there ofcause.
None for this year.
The last patch was 11 april.
It may therefore be that it will be safe to upgrade the patch.
If you go to help abbout there will be an update button, or a restart button, and such.
Even if you don't and close firefox it will update itself unless you don't have a right version.
going to firefox.com will either congradulate you that you are updated or say you need one.
Ofcause there are a few fake malware sites and addons for firefox but the last reported on google search first page was sometime in 2014.
Its most likely the true deal.
One issue with firefox and all mozilla programs I have found is that it does not always report the site right it may in fact support the site you are on as a parent site rather than the child site you are going to.
Especially if its a direct download.
Say I am brousing microsoft support but get a direct download from dropbox or another update or something.
In the download library it will say it came from microsoft which it didn't.
If that site has a web page associated with a file it will report right.




On 21/04/2016 2:08 p.m., Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
Hello.
I was just sitting on the site tonight reading the teamtalk instructions
and about the events.

Suddenly i got a message that i needed to install a firefox patch, it
was from a site that i did not recognize, so i stopped it, thanksfully.
But i was told my volnerability was 93%.
I just thought I should ask, was i smart in not letting that go through,
or is there really a patch for firefox.
Thank you

Scott



.
I agree with Christo's testamonials...

Laurie Mehta
 

I absolutely agree with you on both points and thank you for sharing these sentiments.
-Laurie Mehta

--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 4/21/16, Christo Vorster <christo.vorster@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Hi All

I want to say two things to conclude this subject, as far as I'm concerned.

Firstly: The development of ESpeak was quite phenomenal and it is one of the better packages available.

Secondly: The day I was forced to start using NVDA, probably was the best thing that could have happened with me. To use the word "force" might sound as if I resisted, but I use it simply because I had no other option at that moment, but I wasn't unwilling for the change.

Thanks to everybody for all the trouble you take to develop assistive devices for us blindies. Furthermore, thanks for keeping us on the right tracks in our discussions. It isn't an easy task.

Regards

Christo Vorster
Re: nvda con in pasific time zone?

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

Yes.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Supanut Leepaisomboon [mailto:supanut2000@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 7:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda con in pasific time zone?

 

Since the time used UTC, I would assume the opening session is 7AM (Thailand time) right? Thailand, and most of Southeast Asia is UTC+7.
Re: nvda con in pasific time zone?

Supanut Leepaisomboon
 

Since the time used UTC, I would assume the opening session is 7AM (Thailand time) right? Thailand, and most of Southeast Asia is UTC+7.
Need Help Activating Acapela Voices

Kelly Sapergia
 

Hi,

I just purchased the premium version of the Acapela Voices for NVDA. Unfortunately, at least on my Windows 7 machine, I can't bring up the registration dialog. Every time I select "Activate a New License" from the menu, I keep getting script errors. Choosing Yes or No to the question about whether I want to run the scripts makes no difference. After getting a fourth script error and choosing one of the buttons, I get a message saying "Error loading dialog". On my system running XP, however, the activation process was successful. I was just wondering if anyone else has experienced this, and if there's a way to stop these errors?

Thanks.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
Show Host and Production Director
The Global Voice Internet Radio
http://www.theglobalvoice.info

Personal Website: http://www.ksapergia.net
Business Website (KJS Productions): http://www.kjsproductions.com
Follow me on Twitter at: kjsapergia
Re: Duplicate topics?

Arianna Sepulveda
 

How are people replying in such a way that a new thread is created? I've never had this problem, to my knowledge, but want to know how it's done so I can avoid it.


Thanks,
Ari

On Apr 21, 2016, at 6:24 AM, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:

I agree 100% with you, Brian. Perhaps a moderator should step in to do something about this; this problem of new threads created when replying all the time must be stopped.
espeak

Josh Kennedy
 

i for one would love to have sapi version of espeak-ng with edward voice.

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Re: nvda con in pasific time zone?

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,
Here then are event times in Pacific Daylight Time (we're in summer time at the moment):
* Conference opener/open forum: 5 PM on April 21, 2016
* Lightning Talk I (Dictation Bridge, Mozilla): 10 AM Pacific on April 22, 2016
* F123 Access: 1 PM Pacific on April 22, 2016
* Add-on party with Joslee (me): 7 PM Pacific on April 22, 2016 (for users of Control Usage Assistant, Easy Table Navigator, Enhanced Touch Gestures, GoldWave, Resource Monitor, StationPlaylist Studio, Windows 10 App Essentials)
* NVDA and employment: 7 AM Pacific on April 23, 2016
* Meet Derek's add-ons (Derek Riemer): 10 AM on April 23, 2016
* Interactive lab on add-on writing and getting started with NVDA Core development: 4 PM on April 23, 2016
* NVDA 101 for users of other screen readers: 5 PM on April 28, 2016
* NVDA and math: 7 AM on April 29, 2016
* Lightning Talk II (NVDA communities and LibLouis): 10 AM on April 29, 2016
* NVDA 101 for beginners: 12 PM on April 29, 2016
* Keynote presentation from NV Access: 5 PM on April 29, 2016
* Closing forum and testimonials: 9 AM on April 30, 2016

This year, all times were in UTC to better coordinate events and as a reference for other time zones. The international conference will use UTC, while regional ones (if they come to life) will employ regional time zones. We'll discuss regional NVDACon and other gatherings at the close of NVDACon 2016. Also, for those who cannot make it, audio recordings will be made available.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Bhavya shah [mailto:bhavya.shah125@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 6:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda con in pasific time zone?

Hi Hank,
Yes, Scott is correct - Pacific Standard Time (PST) is seven hours behind Universal Time (UTC).
Thus, you can get the timings of all sessions in Pacific by subtracting seven hours from that what is mentioned on the NVDACon homepage at www.nvda-kr.org/en/nvdacon.php Thanks.

On 4/21/16, Scott VanDeWalle <scottvandewalle2@...> wrote:
Hello, well, since I believe that eastern time which is my local time
is
4 hours behind utc, your time would be 7 hours behind.
I looked it up online earlier.
hth

Scott

On 4/20/2016 10:10 PM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona wrote:
Hello can I please if possible get the times of the nvda con sessions
in pasific time zone?
thanks
Hank








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Mobile: +91 7506221750
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Re: Duplicate topics?

Christo Vorster
 

Hello Brian

 

Just to explain.

 

I sent several mails to the list and receive reports back from the system administrator that several of the recipients couldn’t be reached, or something to that effect. I figured I would rather create a new thread not to mix my concern with the other discussions.

 

S
orry, I thought that it was the right, or best, thing to do.

 

Regards

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 2:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Duplicate topics?

 

This is becoming a seriously destructive issue for those of us who access this forum via the web interface.  The last two days have been sheer chaos because every single reply that certain people are making are being made in such a way that a new thread is generated.

There are:

  • Testing   3 threads
  • Seriously (espeak) 7 threads
  • Agree 2 threads
  • Remote 2 threads
  • Espeak 2 threads

Total: 16 separate threads for 5 topics generated just since last night.  Yesterday was worse.  This phenomenon, at this scale, is only two days old.  Everyone knows that there will be occasional accidental thread duplications, but that's not what's happening here.

Please, for the love of Pete, learn how to reply without creating a new thread each time!!  It's not rocket science and those of us who read via the web, and I'm not the only one, would really appreciate it. 

Brian
Re: nvda con in pasific time zone?

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Hank,
Yes, Scott is correct - Pacific Standard Time (PST) is seven hours
behind Universal Time (UTC).
Thus, you can get the timings of all sessions in Pacific by
subtracting seven hours from that what is mentioned on the NVDACon
homepage at www.nvda-kr.org/en/nvdacon.php
Thanks.

On 4/21/16, Scott VanDeWalle <scottvandewalle2@...> wrote:
Hello, well, since I believe that eastern time which is my local time is
4 hours behind utc, your time would be 7 hours behind.
I looked it up online earlier.
hth

Scott

On 4/20/2016 10:10 PM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona wrote:
Hello can I please if possible get the times of the nvda con sessions
in pasific time zone?
thanks
Hank







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Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09
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