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Re: can't down load audio from web sites any more

Bobby Vinton
 

Well just to let you know I use to use an add on in all browsers called video down load helper and it down load audio in a rite click option.  I was wondering if any one knows of a good extension for crohm that will down load any audio from any web site because down load helper is no longer around.

 

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From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 11:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't down load audio from web sites any more

 

Assuming you mean that you tried save link as, not save as, then you can't save files that a site isn't set up to allow you to save.  these links don't lead directly to the file that plays.  They cause the site to play the file but when you download the link using save link as or equivalent, you are saving the html link the site uses to cause the music to be played. 

 

Gene

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From: Gene

Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 10:01 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] can't down load audio from web sites any more

 

Save as always saves the page, never audio. 

 

Gene----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 9:10 PM

Subject: [nvda] can't down load audio from web sites any more

 

Hay I just switched to crohm and when I am on a web page I can see the audio butt when I click save as it only saves the html of the page.  The sites I am trying to down load mp3s from are www.bigappleairchecks.com and www.airchecks.com.  I used every browser to try this.  The audio is in mp3 it is not a youtube or a flash web site.  I can down load pod casts just fine butt I want the audio from both the web sites.

 

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Re: can't down load audio from web sites any more

Gene
 

Assuming you mean that you tried save link as, not save as, then you can't save files that a site isn't set up to allow you to save.  these links don't lead directly to the file that plays.  They cause the site to play the file but when you download the link using save link as or equivalent, you are saving the html link the site uses to cause the music to be played. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't down load audio from web sites any more

Save as always saves the page, never audio. 
 
Gene----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 9:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] can't down load audio from web sites any more

Hay I just switched to crohm and when I am on a web page I can see the audio butt when I click save as it only saves the html of the page.  The sites I am trying to down load mp3s from are www.bigappleairchecks.com and www.airchecks.com.  I used every browser to try this.  The audio is in mp3 it is not a youtube or a flash web site.  I can down load pod casts just fine butt I want the audio from both the web sites.

 

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Re: can't down load audio from web sites any more

Bobby Vinton
 

Well I forgot the main key stroke for the audio because I have not done this in a very long time.

 

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From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 11:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't down load audio from web sites any more

 

Save as always saves the page, never audio. 

 

Gene----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 9:10 PM

Subject: [nvda] can't down load audio from web sites any more

 

Hay I just switched to crohm and when I am on a web page I can see the audio butt when I click save as it only saves the html of the page.  The sites I am trying to down load mp3s from are www.bigappleairchecks.com and www.airchecks.com.  I used every browser to try this.  The audio is in mp3 it is not a youtube or a flash web site.  I can down load pod casts just fine butt I want the audio from both the web sites.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: can't down load audio from web sites any more

Gene
 

Save as always saves the page, never audio. 
 

Gene----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 9:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] can't down load audio from web sites any more

Hay I just switched to crohm and when I am on a web page I can see the audio butt when I click save as it only saves the html of the page.  The sites I am trying to down load mp3s from are www.bigappleairchecks.com and www.airchecks.com.  I used every browser to try this.  The audio is in mp3 it is not a youtube or a flash web site.  I can down load pod casts just fine butt I want the audio from both the web sites.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


can't down load audio from web sites any more

Bobby Vinton
 

Hay I just switched to crohm and when I am on a web page I can see the audio butt when I click save as it only saves the html of the page.  The sites I am trying to down load mp3s from are www.bigappleairchecks.com and www.airchecks.com.  I used every browser to try this.  The audio is in mp3 it is not a youtube or a flash web site.  I can down load pod casts just fine butt I want the audio from both the web sites.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: nvda and latest google chrome google translate nvda2017.4RC1

Adriani Botez
 

The general comand to expand collapsed lists is press space or enter on the list and then alt + down arrow.

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Josh Kennedy
Gesendet: Samstag, 18. November 2017 22:56
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] nvda and latest google chrome google translate nvda2017.4RC1

 

hi

when I try to use google translate with google chrome version

Version 62.0.3202.94 (Official Build) (64-bit)

 

and NVDA version

About NVDA NonVisual Desktop Access (NVDA)
Version: 2017.4rc1

 

first I go to the source language collapsed list on the website. I hit insert space. I down arrow to expand the list. if I hit down arrow more to arrow through languages NVDA puts me back into browse mode the the the list is coollapsed colapsed collapsed again yes the list is collapsed once more. if I try hitting letters to choose the language it also forces me back into browse mode and forces the list to be collapsed once more.

 

 

 

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Re: Can I deactivate Touch screen support while still having the speech output from NVDA 2017.3 running?

Andre
 

What do you mean by putting NVDA into focus mode before he taps the screen?
Can you explain how to do this?

Yes, this is on the web. For instance with youtube videos, when he taps the
play button and I have NVDA running, nothing happens. However, when I turn
NVDA off completely, it acts as normal for him. He's only 5 so I don't want
to make things too complicated for him yet.

If you can turn off all input gestures, how would I also do this?

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Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 3:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I deactivate Touch screen support while still having
the speech output from NVDA 2017.3 running?

Not into touch, but is this on the web? What happens if you put nvda into
focus mode before he taps the screen?
Brian

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From: "Andre" <stepserve@comcast.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 9:21 PM
Subject: [nvda] Can I deactivate Touch screen support while still having the

speech output from NVDA 2017.3 running?


I'm basically a new NVDA user. Here's my issue.



I was wondering about NVDA and touch screens. I have to help my son access
ABC Mouse on a pc running Windows 10 (fall creators). It seems like
something has changed. Maybe not though. Basically my question is:



Is it possible to keep NVDA running (for me) and still allow him to just
use
the regular touch screen gestures? For instance, when I have him on
YouTube
and I'm running NVDA so I can choose what I want him to watch, he can't
just
tap on play/pause and have it play or pause the video. I have to
completely
quit NVDA. After doing a Google search, I tried the sleep mode, but that
didn't seem to work either. So are there any addons I can get to negate
the
nvda touch gestures, etc.?



Hopefully you understand what I'm asking. If not, please let me know. By
the
way, I'm no NVDA expert either. I know he can just touch the screen when
I'm
running Window-Eyes, but my browse mode feature disappeared and that was
WE
9.5.4. I'm trying NVDA 2017.3. I think that's what it's called. So is
there
a way to keep NVDA running and turn off its touch support? I figure if I
can
do that, then that will kind of simulate Window-Eyes' browse mode.





Thanks a lot for your help.








nvda 2017.4rc1 and thunderbird version 52.4.0 (32-bit)

Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
 

also in windows10 home 64bit latest updated windows10 the very latest without being on the insider build. NVDA is sluggish when composing emails in thunderbird. Its very sluggish. When I hit backspace or any of the arrow keys when composing or writing emails NVDA takes one whole entire second to give me speech feedback on where the cursor is at. But on the web in google chrome and firefox and in microsoft wordpad, notepad and so on NVDA is fast and snappy when arrowing around. Has anyone noticed this and can this cursor lag with NVDA please be fixed?


Josh


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nvda and latest google chrome google translate nvda2017.4RC1

Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
 

hi

when I try to use google translate with google chrome version

Version 62.0.3202.94 (Official Build) (64-bit)


and NVDA version

About NVDA NonVisual Desktop Access (NVDA)
Version: 2017.4rc1


first I go to the source language collapsed list on the website. I hit insert space. I down arrow to expand the list. if I hit down arrow more to arrow through languages NVDA puts me back into browse mode the the the list is coollapsed colapsed collapsed again yes the list is collapsed once more. if I try hitting letters to choose the language it also forces me back into browse mode and forces the list to be collapsed once more.




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Re: Further Analysis Of Firefox 57

 

Hmmm I do think this multiprocesser thing will effect a lot of users with slower systems then.

For me ff 57 I can use but it can be slow and crappy.

I have 4 logicals but its a duel core with 4gb ram only and thats probably why firefox and a lot of modern web content is resource heavy.

On 19/11/2017 3:55 a.m., Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,


Because so many people are having problems with Firefox 57/Quantum, I decided to do some experimentation.  I have 2 machines I use for storage and backup.  One system is a Windows 7 64 bit machine with 4 GB RAM and a quad core processor running the 64 bit version of Windows 7.  The other is an old Del computer 32 bit version of Windows 7 with a duel core processor and 4 GB of RAM.


As mentioned previously, my primary Windows 10 high speed 8 core 12 GB RAM system sees little effect from the upgrade.


Here is my analysis of the other 2 older slower machines.  The 64 bit Windows system operates fairly well.  It is a composite/IBM clone system from 2013.  It seems a bit more sluggish than the faster Windows 10 system, but all in all, I can use all the things I usually use such as quick navigation keys, address bar access, recognition of buttons on embedded players and so on.


So now to the older Del from 2011.  This machine experienced significantly more issues.  While it was usable, it was very, very sluggish.  On the ESPN/NFL page, it seemed to take about 1 or more minutes to load this fairly crowded page.  Quick key navigation was very sluggish.  They did work, if you didn't mind waiting 5 or 10 seconds for the system to initiate the keystroke.  I could eventually find the buttons of embedded player, but again, system reaction was extremely sluggish.  In doing this analysis, when I loaded a new crowded page, I waited for a few seconds and when I herd nothing, I press insert + T to read the title bar and after a few seconds, NVDA reported Firefox busy and the title of the previous page that I had been on when I launched the new page via the address bar.  That's how i am sure that the extreme sluggishness was causal.


I wonder how many of the people who are having issues with Firefox 57 are using Del systems or some other lower end system with celluron processors.  I wonder if there's is some sort of idiomatic issue with those slower systems or with some brands of processor or hardware.


This is just an educated guess, but with the analysis of 3 systems, it might be worth something to those more technical.


Re: Kudos to the Microsoft disability desk

Monte Single
 

Good message Mary,
I would call m s accessibility before calling the big box people.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: November-18-17 3:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Kudos to the Microsoft disability desk

A week or so ago, there were a lot of messages on a topic I started regarding my new windows 10 PC and it’s inability to sometimes shut down completely or be unresponsive after restarts, where settings wouldn’t open etc. Also there was this thing where nVDA was talking even after it had not been loaded when the machine was trying and failing to shut down. I had the machine back in the shop again, and the unskilled workers who work there, at least I hope that’s what they are rather than competent technicians, said there was nothing wrong with it. So we brought it home again, and it exhibited the same unfortunate behaviors. Before giving up completely and just turning the machine back in before my 15 day return with no questions asked Time limit Ran out, I called the Microsoft disability helpdesk. The first guy I talked to was on the phone and remoted in to my computer trying to do different things for well over an hour. He finally decided that the only solution was a reinstallation/repair of windows. That necessitated a long download. And here I thought my Internet connection was faster than it apparently is. Anyway, following long download, I called back, spoke to another technician, who initiated the installation and repair process, which went fine. The machine is now working as it should. Amazing what real technicians who know what they’re doing and do. Moral: never pay the so-called technicians in a big box store to do anything but carry your box to your car.

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Re: Kudos to the Microsoft disability desk

Chris Mullins
 

Glad you got the situation resolved.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: 18 November 2017 21:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Kudos to the Microsoft disability desk

A week or so ago, there were a lot of messages on a topic I started regarding my new windows 10 PC and it’s inability to sometimes shut down completely or be unresponsive after restarts, where settings wouldn’t open etc. Also there was this thing where nVDA was talking even after it had not been loaded when the machine was trying and failing to shut down. I had the machine back in the shop again, and the unskilled workers who work there, at least I hope that’s what they are rather than competent technicians, said there was nothing wrong with it. So we brought it home again, and it exhibited the same unfortunate behaviors. Before giving up completely and just turning the machine back in before my 15 day return with no questions asked Time limit Ran out, I called the Microsoft disability helpdesk. The first guy I talked to was on the phone and remoted in to my computer trying to do different things for well over an hour. He finally decided that the only solution was a reinstallation/repair of windows. That necessitated a long download. And here I thought my Internet connection was faster than it apparently is. Anyway, following long download, I called back, spoke to another technician, who initiated the installation and repair process, which went fine. The machine is now working as it should. Amazing what real technicians who know what they’re doing and do. Moral: never pay the so-called technicians in a big box store to do anything but carry your box to your car.

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Kudos to the Microsoft disability desk

Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

A week or so ago, there were a lot of messages on a topic I started regarding my new windows 10 PC and it’s inability to sometimes shut down completely or be unresponsive after restarts, where settings wouldn’t open etc. Also there was this thing where nVDA was talking even after it had not been loaded when the machine was trying and failing to shut down. I had the machine back in the shop again, and the unskilled workers who work there, at least I hope that’s what they are rather than competent technicians, said there was nothing wrong with it. So we brought it home again, and it exhibited the same unfortunate behaviors. Before giving up completely and just turning the machine back in before my 15 day return with no questions asked Time limit Ran out, I called the Microsoft disability helpdesk. The first guy I talked to was on the phone and remoted in to my computer trying to do different things for well over an hour. He finally decided that the only solution was a reinstallation/repair of windows. That necessitated a long download. And here I thought my Internet connection was faster than it apparently is. Anyway, following long download, I called back, spoke to another technician, who initiated the installation and repair process, which went fine. The machine is now working as it should. Amazing what real technicians who know what they’re doing and do. Moral: never pay the so-called technicians in a big box store to do anything but carry your box to your car.

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Re: Fw: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2017.4rc1 released

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Wow! It installed really fast!

On 11/17/2017 5:54 AM, Mário Navarro wrote:



Yes, wonderful!
now NVDA can already memorize the focus at the point of start in html content.
in google chrome!
wow this is fantastic!

Thank you, thank you!

long life to NVDA.

Cheers.


Às 10:33 de 17/11/2017, David Moore escreveu:

Thank you so much Brian!

Just downloaded it and installed 2017.4 RC1.

NVDA just gets better and better all the time!

David Moore

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From: zahra
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 4:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fw: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2017.4rc1 released

 

hello brian.

thanks for the link.

i always follow github and read the changes and reports and try my best to help.

its very sad news that i realized that nvda realy does not support my

favorite windows anymore!

God bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you!

 

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> From: "Michael Curran" <mick@...>

> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 4:56 AM

>> Hi all,

>> 

>> 

>> NVDA 2017.4rc1 is now available for testing. This is a release

>> candidate, so unless any critical bugs are found, this will be identical

>> to the final 2017.4 release.

>> 

>> 

>> The official post can be found at:

>> https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-4rc1-released/

>> 

>> 

>> Regards

>> 

>> Mick

>> 

>> 

>> --

>> --

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>> PH: +61 7 3149 3306 ext. 101

>> www: http://www.nvaccess.org/

>> Twitter: @NVAccess

>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

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best website for studying islamic book in different languages

www.al-islam.org

 

 

 



Re: Fw: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2017.4rc1 released

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

I will test it Michael. Wish I could send you all some turkey to AU land.

On 11/17/2017 2:55 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
From: "Michael Curran" <mick@nvaccess.org>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 4:56 AM


Hi all,


NVDA 2017.4rc1 is now available for testing. This is a release candidate, so unless any critical bugs are found, this will be identical to the final 2017.4 release.


The official post can be found at: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-4rc1-released/


Regards

Mick


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Re: firefox what was the fuss exactly?

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

For the record I'm using V57 64 bit.

On 11/16/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know whether you are using the 64 or 32 bit version but if you were to use the 32 bit version or the 32 bit version portable, I'm not sure if there is even a 64 bit version portable, you could probably get it to work, though we'll have to see if you try it. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?

Even that! isn't working here. The only screen reader I've kind of gotten to work with it was Narrator, and even then, it wasn't pretty.
---
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?

Regarding working with the new version of Firefox in Windows 7, I'm not interested in evaluating the new version enough to test it on a lot of web pages and in a lot of different tasks such as playing audio. It works here on my Windows 7 machine.  the main problem I found is that, when a page loads, I have to tab when the page should be loaded in order to have whatever needs to happen for the browser or screen-reader or whatever the case, to see anything on the page.  If I tab and wait a number of seconds after the page appears to have loaded, it then works with the screen-reader.  Before that, it appears blank, except that the title bar shows the page that is, or that is being loaded after the passage of a little time since I issue the open command.  I don't know what would happen if I tabbed earlier or much earlier, but I've been waiting until I hear NVDA announce the title bar announcing the title of the new page.  Others may want to experiment with shorter intervals.
 
Gene 
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From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?

I was clarifying my position because I wasn't sure it was stated as clearly as it should have been or if it was being understood as well as it should have been.  And I think despite you evidently disagreeing, that the underlying poingt is worth considering.  Excessive dependence on optional features may lead to problems in certain contexts.  If its your computer, you can set it up as you wish.  If it's a friends computer or a work computer, or a library computer, you may not be able to and excessive dependence can make it harder to do things in various contexts than otherwise.
 
Gene. 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 2:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?

Since you are determined to have an argument about this, would you like a
five minute argument or a longer one we have arguments on offer this week!

Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


There are some sounds that are important because you can't get information
efficiently about something such as a USB connection in other ways.  I may
not have made it as clear as I should have in my first message, but I'm
talking specifically about sounds in contexts such as browser sounds, where
the information can be efficiently gotten in other ways.  There are
advantages and disadvantages in various browsers but making whether sounds
are available in a browser be a very important factor in determining whether
to use that browser is, in my opinion, emphasizing sounds that are optional
to a far more central position than they should be.

Gene
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From: brian
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 1:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


            I think that the reason that some blind people like sounds is it
gives us a indacation of what's going on just like the sighted can see at
glance.  It's like windows sounds.  We have the windows music to let us know
that our computer is on.  We have other windows sounds like the sound we
hear when we plug a thumbdrive in or unplug it.  If we did not hear this
sound we would think that there is a problem but if there was no sound then
how would we know that there was a problem.  Sounds may not be necessary but
they can really help us greatly to know what is happening.  I don't have my
sounds on in my webie brouser but I would not fault somone if they did.  I
do think that it's important to a sound for down loads because if there is a
problem with your internet connection then you would know.  Again the
sighted can just look but we can't.  Alot of people don't have good internet
and it can and does loose connection quite frequently.

Brian Sackrider




On 11/14/2017 9:04 AM, Gene wrote:

  I want to make my position clear and discuss another aspect of the current
situation in this rather long message.

  If people want to use sounds, there is nothing wrong with that but you
don't need them and my position is that being so dependent on them that you
make that a major determining factor on what browser to use is being too
dependent.  That's my position.  I didn't say they are worthless nor that
people shouldn't use them.  I'm talking about being too dependent on one
aspect of a program when that aspect isn't central to the program and when
there may be better programs in general that don't have this specific
characteristic.
  I'm saying that if someone considers sounds in browsers to be so important
that that is a major factor in deciding what browser to use, I consider that
to be too dependent.  There are other efficient ways to tell things when
using a browser.  If a page hasn't loaded, you can't move around.  Tabbing
or down arrowing once or twice will tell you.  I'm not saying, as you said,
that they are pointless.  I'm saying that almost anything sounds do, can be
either efficiently inferred or checked by other methods and that changing
from one browser to another based either only or largely on sounds, is
making this one characteristic of a browser too important.

  I don't want my position to be misunderstood.  If people want to use
sounds, then that's fine;  I'm saying that dependence on them to an
excessive degree is not desirable if it leads to decisions on what programs
to use in a certain class when trying to decide between program a and b that
do roughly the same thing.  Browsers have various advantages and
disadvantages and sound is only one aspect of a program.
  Also, the changes being made in firefox, according to a review I've read,
make it even faster than Chrome.  It isn't much faster, at least now, and I
don't think it matters but if people read the article about these changes
posted last week from Marco's Accessibility blog, these changes may result
in screen-readers being far more capable to work on complex pages that have
embedded programs or where the pages are far more interactive than
traditional web pages, and that increasing numbers of web pages are, and
will be more complex over time.  Therefore, I find the attitude of blaming
Mozilla for what it says it intends to be only a temporary loss of
performance for blind users, and writing as though they are going to
permanently use a different browser without even seeing the results of the
work being done is disturbing.  At the moment, Chrome may be better than
Firefoxs in its latest version because of the changes.  But blind people may
be better served by what Mozilla is doing after the initial inconvenience.

  How often do sighted people complain about things like road construction
and repair, but would they never use the road again because of the temporary
inconvenience?  They may use a different road during the repairs and the
road may even be closed at times, but they return to it when it is in good
order again.

  Gene
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  To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
  Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


  Well the beta I tried simply refused to say anything but unknown on any
  page, though most of the menus still worked.

  I'm not inclined to update since I use the sound, particularly the one
when
  a page has fully loaded and the one that tells me a link has in fact
  activated and of course download complete


  I have seen elsewhere where people think these sounds are pointless. I
  dispute this as everyone is different and I really only use browsers where
I
  can actually hear that things are going on. for example I've always
noticed
  that screenreaders sometimes do not figure out the page has loaded, but
  navigational sounds does and hence allows me to re focus the screenreader.
   Also I would not know if a download had completed if the download pane
was
  hidden without a sound.
   Some links click but clickables do not so sometimes you can figure out
what
  is which sort of link on a page this way. In a way it would be even better
  if button link and clickable had different sounds to save one getting
  confused.

  I think the list of things some of us want in a browser is obviously going
  to be different to what the sighted want, so one will really need somebody
  at Mozilla etc to write blind specific add ons for a browser.
   Its far easier when trying to teach somebody how to use a browser to be
  able to say, if you do not hear x then its not worked.
   Brian

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  From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
  To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
  Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:42 PM
  Subject: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


  > Hi.
  >
  > Well While brousing firefox ftp today I decided to try firefox 57 as it
  > was on releases today.
  >
  > What exactly was the fuss?
  >
  > Firefox interface loads fast, no lag, but I havn't tried big sites maybe
a
  > couple seconds for audiogames forum.
  >
  > Addons, noscript, aparently this will not work till actual release of
  > firefox.
  >
  > Navigational sounds.
  >
  > I am trying to find a replacement, the author of this said that because
  > the new interface doesn't allow for registry access one can't get the
list
  > of events to do things with.
  >
  > I tried 3 of them so far.
  >
  > Notification sound, noise and download sound.
  >
  > Download sound has no options or rather any way I can configure it to
  > suit.
  >
  > Noise has options but there are no default events set and I tried to add
  > what I wanted and define its sounds but I can't set values and going to
  > its website found that while there is a web version all features are
  > basically not there.
  >
  > Notification sound is another, but its got no options screen.
  >
  > Something like noise would be fine if it had an default event list which
  > just used the windows schemes directly to the files etc.
  >
  > I only need web navigation start and end, and download complete as a
  > start.
  >
  > If there was a way I could easily add events, or something that would be
  > good but I'd like a list for beginners I could import.
  >
  > Over those though, I did notice and turn on the extra privacy
protection,
  > I have left active the unwanted software protection but I heard from
some
  > that this can cause problems.
  >
  > I also read the article about accessibility services and how they can be
  > misused.
  >
  > It does say if you have a compatible jaws or nvda active on your system
  > that you should leave this active.
  >
  > This is interesting, dolphin stuff is not on this list it makes me
wander,
  > while I do use dolphin stuff myself for things their web stuff is only
for
  > ie and ie 6-8 mainly.
  >
  > Still its an observation only.
  >
  > I must say off the bat what I really like about firefox are the easy
  > option layouts, I just wish there was a way to extend them to well have
  > extras for addons rather than mucking about with the manager.
  >
  > I do like the fact you can have arrow navigation on.
  >
  > I did get noscript revived but when I hit a site with scripts on it
never
  > actually notified me at all.
  >
  > I guess I have to fiddle with it, I do hope thatnoscript does go out and
  > get released.
  >
  > Today is the 14th in nz and tomorrow it will be 14th in us and so, I am
  > probably going to have to keep firefox 57 loaded though I am tempted to
  > drop back to 56.02 for now and get my sounds back.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >










Re: the new firefox quanttum

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Tyler. I do agree on the focus with NVDA, but if I wait a few seconds everything seems to read fine with the say all command etc. Patients is one of my strong points to a certain extent. 

On 11/18/2017 1:30 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:

All depends on what processor is in your machine.

Right now, on my desktop, NVDA and jaws both work and both focus’s jump around like crazy. It’s a pain in the rear to use, but it does work for those  that are patient.

On my transformer book t100? Forget it. I might as well be on dialup. And when a page does claim to load focus is so jerky I can’t read an article much less click on the link I want.

Computing is going to be much more processor intensive until these features get ironed out for screen readers. I personally look forward to it.

Not everything is going to be perfect when something is released. There are alternatives for now. Google chrome is still by far the snappiest browser I have ever used bar none. When a little t100 smacks this desktop around if said desktop is browsing with internet explorer or edge that says quite a lot.

 

From: Lino Morales
Sent: November 18, 2017 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] the new firefox quanttum

 

Well I don't want to get banned off this list again so I'm not going to say anything else. I'm back on FF 57 ofr now and yeah its slow, but it works and yes if I really wanted to I could revert back to 56.2 which is sitting in my downloads folder at the ready. Just let Mozilla work on things and lets all be happy and use Edge or IE 11 if you want also. Viva la NVDA!

On 11/16/2017 4:50 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:



I wasn't gonna jump in here, but frankly, I agree, and find Lino's comment to be a bit rude in nature. If it works for you, then help us find a sollution. No one's complaining. We're only making factual statements on what we're seeing.

 

Just for the record, I, too, with NVDA, and! with JFW both tried V57, and couldn't get it working at all, so obviously, Lino, people are! having issues, whehter you care to admit it or not. Enough said, Mucelini boy? Hint hint from 2007?

---
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 11:25 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] the new firefox quanttum

 

its not working at all end of story. this has to be an issue as more than
one of us find this on 57. I think it may have been you who said some time
ago, do not run betas.

I think certain people on this list need to realise that everybody's view is
valid for them, and not let the argument  go on about this when there are
other more pressing issues like why some people find it works and others do
not. Don't force others to fit your own mould, we are not all the same.
Brian

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From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] the new firefox quanttum


> What damage? I don't understand what you dolts are griping about! Look
> I'm running beta 58 3 and yeah its a bit slow, but not so slow you are
> on the days of dialup. It can be done with NVDA. Now with that other
> screen reader I won't discuss anymore on here well try FF 57 or later at
> your own risk.
>
> On 11/15/2017 3:56 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
>>
>> Yeah I got it now too and its alright I suppose.
>>
>> I guess now it will be up to the nvda developers to fix the damage
>> that has been done like screen reader manufactrers always seem to have
>> to end up doing. Smile
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows 10
>>
>> *From: *Chris <mailto:chrismedley@...>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:16 PM
>> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] the new firefox quanttum
>>
>> Well I’m using nightly 59.01 and that seems ok
>>
>> So maybe try the later one
>>
>> *From: *Scott VanDeWalle <mailto:scottvandewalle2@...>
>> *Sent: *14 November 2017 21:43
>> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject: *[nvda] the new firefox quanttum
>>
>> Hello all.
>>
>> I just installed the new firefox.
>>
>> The only thing wrong with it as far as I’m concerned is that it is
>> slower.
>>
>> So for now I’ll either use google chrome or edge as my default browser.
>>
>> I’m using the new nightly firefox 58, and it is not much better, as
>> promised it would be.
>>
>> Just my opinions though.
>>
>> Have a good da y.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>



 


Re: the new firefox quanttum

Tyler Wood
 

All depends on what processor is in your machine.

Right now, on my desktop, NVDA and jaws both work and both focus’s jump around like crazy. It’s a pain in the rear to use, but it does work for those  that are patient.

On my transformer book t100? Forget it. I might as well be on dialup. And when a page does claim to load focus is so jerky I can’t read an article much less click on the link I want.

Computing is going to be much more processor intensive until these features get ironed out for screen readers. I personally look forward to it.

Not everything is going to be perfect when something is released. There are alternatives for now. Google chrome is still by far the snappiest browser I have ever used bar none. When a little t100 smacks this desktop around if said desktop is browsing with internet explorer or edge that says quite a lot.

 

From: Lino Morales
Sent: November 18, 2017 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] the new firefox quanttum

 

Well I don't want to get banned off this list again so I'm not going to say anything else. I'm back on FF 57 ofr now and yeah its slow, but it works and yes if I really wanted to I could revert back to 56.2 which is sitting in my downloads folder at the ready. Just let Mozilla work on things and lets all be happy and use Edge or IE 11 if you want also. Viva la NVDA!

On 11/16/2017 4:50 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:



I wasn't gonna jump in here, but frankly, I agree, and find Lino's comment to be a bit rude in nature. If it works for you, then help us find a sollution. No one's complaining. We're only making factual statements on what we're seeing.

 

Just for the record, I, too, with NVDA, and! with JFW both tried V57, and couldn't get it working at all, so obviously, Lino, people are! having issues, whehter you care to admit it or not. Enough said, Mucelini boy? Hint hint from 2007?

---
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 11:25 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] the new firefox quanttum

 

its not working at all end of story. this has to be an issue as more than
one of us find this on 57. I think it may have been you who said some time
ago, do not run betas.

I think certain people on this list need to realise that everybody's view is
valid for them, and not let the argument  go on about this when there are
other more pressing issues like why some people find it works and others do
not. Don't force others to fit your own mould, we are not all the same.
Brian

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From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] the new firefox quanttum


> What damage? I don't understand what you dolts are griping about! Look
> I'm running beta 58 3 and yeah its a bit slow, but not so slow you are
> on the days of dialup. It can be done with NVDA. Now with that other
> screen reader I won't discuss anymore on here well try FF 57 or later at
> your own risk.
>
> On 11/15/2017 3:56 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
>>
>> Yeah I got it now too and its alright I suppose.
>>
>> I guess now it will be up to the nvda developers to fix the damage
>> that has been done like screen reader manufactrers always seem to have
>> to end up doing. Smile
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows 10
>>
>> *From: *Chris <mailto:chrismedley@...>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:16 PM
>> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] the new firefox quanttum
>>
>> Well I’m using nightly 59.01 and that seems ok
>>
>> So maybe try the later one
>>
>> *From: *Scott VanDeWalle <mailto:scottvandewalle2@...>
>> *Sent: *14 November 2017 21:43
>> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject: *[nvda] the new firefox quanttum
>>
>> Hello all.
>>
>> I just installed the new firefox.
>>
>> The only thing wrong with it as far as I’m concerned is that it is
>> slower.
>>
>> So for now I’ll either use google chrome or edge as my default browser.
>>
>> I’m using the new nightly firefox 58, and it is not much better, as
>> promised it would be.
>>
>> Just my opinions though.
>>
>> Have a good da y.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>



 


Re: the new firefox quanttum

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Well I don't want to get banned off this list again so I'm not going to say anything else. I'm back on FF 57 ofr now and yeah its slow, but it works and yes if I really wanted to I could revert back to 56.2 which is sitting in my downloads folder at the ready. Just let Mozilla work on things and lets all be happy and use Edge or IE 11 if you want also. Viva la NVDA!

On 11/16/2017 4:50 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

I wasn't gonna jump in here, but frankly, I agree, and find Lino's comment to be a bit rude in nature. If it works for you, then help us find a sollution. No one's complaining. We're only making factual statements on what we're seeing.
 
Just for the record, I, too, with NVDA, and! with JFW both tried V57, and couldn't get it working at all, so obviously, Lino, people are! having issues, whehter you care to admit it or not. Enough said, Mucelini boy? Hint hint from 2007?
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] the new firefox quanttum

its not working at all end of story. this has to be an issue as more than
one of us find this on 57. I think it may have been you who said some time
ago, do not run betas.

I think certain people on this list need to realise that everybody's view is
valid for them, and not let the argument  go on about this when there are
other more pressing issues like why some people find it works and others do
not. Don't force others to fit your own mould, we are not all the same.
Brian

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From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] the new firefox quanttum


> What damage? I don't understand what you dolts are griping about! Look
> I'm running beta 58 3 and yeah its a bit slow, but not so slow you are
> on the days of dialup. It can be done with NVDA. Now with that other
> screen reader I won't discuss anymore on here well try FF 57 or later at
> your own risk.
>
> On 11/15/2017 3:56 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
>>
>> Yeah I got it now too and its alright I suppose.
>>
>> I guess now it will be up to the nvda developers to fix the damage
>> that has been done like screen reader manufactrers always seem to have
>> to end up doing. Smile
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows 10
>>
>> *From: *Chris <mailto:chrismedley@...>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:16 PM
>> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] the new firefox quanttum
>>
>> Well I’m using nightly 59.01 and that seems ok
>>
>> So maybe try the later one
>>
>> *From: *Scott VanDeWalle <mailto:scottvandewalle2@...>
>> *Sent: *14 November 2017 21:43
>> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject: *[nvda] the new firefox quanttum
>>
>> Hello all.
>>
>> I just installed the new firefox.
>>
>> The only thing wrong with it as far as I’m concerned is that it is
>> slower.
>>
>> So for now I’ll either use google chrome or edge as my default browser.
>>
>> I’m using the new nightly firefox 58, and it is not much better, as
>> promised it would be.
>>
>> Just my opinions though.
>>
>> Have a good da y.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>





Re: Further Analysis Of Firefox 57

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Well from the original poster in the thread he was running 7 and the 64 but version. However, the bottom line for me at least is why would I update to a new version which even assuming it worked changed stuff and the way it worked did away with my add ons and was in fact slower and eventually destined to not work at all when they get the new accessibility api up and running. I remember watching all the edge messing about no sooner did a screenreader company work around a cock up then a new windows update screwed up something els. Skype is going the same way.
To me at least there is a case to be made for all companies making new programs to make sure an older one is as up to date as possible for the life cycle of the operating system its supposed to work on, and this has to apply to accessibility. The fact of the matter is although the whole idea is to get better unhackable code, we all know this is not possible, so when do you stop and tackle it a different way?
brian

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Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Further Analysis Of Firefox 57


Ive yet to read one person who has windows 7 and firefox quantum works for them
On the other hand ive yet to read anyone with windows 10 have an issue with quantum

Make of that what you will

Maybe someone can prove me wrong

Just putting it out there 😎



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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Further Analysis Of Firefox 57

I think we know that there is no real issue with some fast machines running
10, the only other people I've seen with the problem I have had have, maybe
coincidentally, been using 7 and the 32 bit version of 57 on the 64 bit os.
the processor speed is a red herring.
Of course a slow dual or single core will be painfully slow.
Brian

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I have just updated to Firefox 57 and so far have not come across any
issues. My OS is Windows 10 64 bit.
Nevzat

On 11/18/17, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Group,


Because so many people are having problems with Firefox 57/Quantum, I
decided to do some experimentation. I have 2 machines I use for storage
and backup. One system is a Windows 7 64 bit machine with 4 GB RAM and
a quad core processor running the 64 bit version of Windows 7. The
other is an old Del computer 32 bit version of Windows 7 with a duel
core processor and 4 GB of RAM.


As mentioned previously, my primary Windows 10 high speed 8 core 12 GB
RAM system sees little effect from the upgrade.


Here is my analysis of the other 2 older slower machines. The 64 bit
Windows system operates fairly well. It is a composite/IBM clone system
from 2013. It seems a bit more sluggish than the faster Windows 10
system, but all in all, I can use all the things I usually use such as
quick navigation keys, address bar access, recognition of buttons on
embedded players and so on.


So now to the older Del from 2011. This machine experienced
significantly more issues. While it was usable, it was very, very
sluggish. On the ESPN/NFL page, it seemed to take about 1 or more
minutes to load this fairly crowded page. Quick key navigation was very
sluggish. They did work, if you didn't mind waiting 5 or 10 seconds for
the system to initiate the keystroke. I could eventually find the
buttons of embedded player, but again, system reaction was extremely
sluggish. In doing this analysis, when I loaded a new crowded page, I
waited for a few seconds and when I herd nothing, I press insert + T to
read the title bar and after a few seconds, NVDA reported Firefox busy
and the title of the previous page that I had been on when I launched
the new page via the address bar. That's how i am sure that the extreme
sluggishness was causal.


I wonder how many of the people who are having issues with Firefox 57
are using Del systems or some other lower end system with celluron
processors. I wonder if there's is some sort of idiomatic issue with
those slower systems or with some brands of processor or hardware.


This is just an educated guess, but with the analysis of 3 systems, it
might be worth something to those more technical.


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