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Re: FW: [nvda-addons] Add-on updates: GoldWave 17.11, SystrayList 2.1 #addonrelease

 

Hello Joseph,

Are there translation updates for SystrayList? Our bulgarian translation was complete a long time ago (maybe a little after v2.0 was released), but even with v2.1 it is not included and some strings remain untranslated. Actually, now I've checked and it seams that the complete bulgarian translation is included, but still some strings (e.g. the label of the list of taskbar buttons) remain in english. Can you please check out what is going on?

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 19.11.2017 г. в 22:01, Joseph Lee написа:

Hi all,

 

First of a series of add-on release announcements for the next two weeks. This week is for add-ons that hasn’t been updated in a while, and next week will be newer ones.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io [mailto:nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 12:01 PM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda-addons] Add-on updates: GoldWave 17.11, SystrayList 2.1 #AddonRelease

 

Hi everyone,

 

Two add-ons have received updates: GoldWave 17.11 and systrayList 2.1. These versions bring new and updated translations, and in case of SystrayList, proper copyright header has been added to comply with community guidelines.

 

Add-on entries:

 

 

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

OK, sorry about the mix up. I would appreciate it and thank you in advance.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 19, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

That is a different Gene.  I don't know if he put the tutorial I did on his site.  I don't restrict use of it in any way so it may be there.  Also, I send it in e-mail messages and I never thought of giving it a title.  I just paste it into the message and send it where people want it.  So if people have placed it on web sites, I don't know what they may call it. 
 
I'll send it in a following message.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

Hi Jean,
Wasn’t that tutorial on your Accessibility central website? I actually went looking for yesterday, maybe I wasn’t in the right section, but I didn’t find it.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 19, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I doubt there is such an add on.  I haven't heard of one and a google search doesn't show one.  I don't know who you need it for or what teaching resources are available to the person in question but I would strongly recommend learning real ribbons.  Despite all the gnashing of teeth you hear, ribbons are not difficult.  they are just a different way of organizing an interface and everything is accessible.  I wrote a tutorial on ribbons that teaches their use with Wordpad since everyone has Wordpad.  I'll send it if you are interested. 
 
I also can find a link to an article that explains why virtual ribbons are actually inferior to real ribbons.
 
I wanty to make one point clearly.  It may be that there are people with conceptual disabilities who would have a hard time learning ribbons.  Most people shouldn't have particular difficulty and it should be assumed that people can learn them until experience shows that they have an unreasonable amount of difficulty.  If people were taught ribbons correctly, the ongoing resistance to them would be significantly reduced.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 1:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

              Hi guys. As a subject mentions, I need an NVDA addon that works like virtual ribben menues in jaws, so is there any addon available for NVDA? Thanks

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
www.blindHelp.net

 


Re: need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

Gene
 

Here is the tutorial, below my signature.
 
Gene
 
I'll provide a brief tutorial based on what I wrote years ago of how to work with ribbons. 
 
I've added a little to it here.
 
I don't know how the organization of Windows has changed in Windows 10 but this description should allow you to look through the Windows ribbons, or any other ribbons, and see how things are organized. 
 
First, I'll discuss a structure found in later versions of Windows that you need to know about-- the split button. 
One thing you will see as you look around ribbons and in other places in Windows are split buttons. A split button often allows you to see more options than just the default action.  Let's take an example. 
Let's say you come across a split button that says shut down Windows.  If you press enter on that button, Windows will shut down.  That is the default action.  Split buttons often show more options if you either right arrow while on the button or down arrow.  As an example, if you are on the shut down split button, you can right arrow and a list of options will open.  the items in the list include sleep, hibernate, restart, and others.  You up or down arrow through the list or use the short cut commands you hear announced as you move through the list.  the letter shortcuts often take actions without pressing enter so be careful when using them, just as you are in menus. 
 
So, let's review.  You find a split button that says shut down.  If you press enter, the computer will shut down. If you right arrow, other options may be displayed.  Or if you down arrow, other options may be displayed.  A split button won't work with both methods.  One method, either right arrowing or down arrowing will do so if it can be done with the button.  Try both methods if you don't know which one might work.  If you are on a tool bar which extends across the screen from left to right, down arrowing will open additional options.  If you think about this, it makes sense.  If you are in a menu, down arrowing will move you to the next item in the menu.  So you right arrow on the split button to cause it to display more options.  In a tool bar that extends across the screen from left to right, right arrowing will move you to the next item in the tool bar.  So you down arrow when on the split button to cause it to display more options.  But some tool bars run up and down the screen, as menus do.  And at times, you may not be sure which way a structure extends on screen.  So, as I said, if you are not sure or don't know, try both methods of causing the split button to display more options.  Often, one of them will work. If you open the options a split button offers and don't want to work with them, arrow in the opposite direction to move out of them.  For example, if you right arrowed to open more options, left arrow. 
Some split buttons don't do anything when you right arrow or down arrow.  In that case, open them with alt down arrow.  Then tab through the additional options.  I've almost never worked in this way with split buttons but if you want to close a split button, try alt up arrow if you've used alt down arrow to open it.
 
Now, to ribbons themselves.
 
Regarding ribbons, much of the complaining about them is not warranted if you understand how they work and how to use short cut commands effectively and efficiently.  and I would strongly recommend against using the JAWS virtual menus, no matter what the JAWS training material says about ribbons being difficult to use.  the training material is just plain wrong and using virtual menus, you will be unnecessarily dependent on one screen-reader.  There are other disadvantages to using them which I won't go into here.
 
Try looking at ribbons and doing what is described below in wordpad.  Everyone with Windows 7 has Wordpad on their machine.  Wordpad provides a good environment to look at and practice working with ribbons.  
 
The essence of working with ribbons is this:
Press alt to move to the upper ribbon.
You will probably be on an item that says home tab. Items on the upper ribbon are announced as tabs such as home tab, view tab, etc. 
To see what ribbons are available, right or left arrow repeatedly to move through the ribbons.  Move in one
direction to move through all of them, just as you would to move through all the menus.
 
For this demonstration, just so we are all doing the same thing, move with the right arrow. When you get back to where you started, you can keep right arrowing to move through the items again, if you wish.  You can move through all the items as many times as you want. Or you can move with the left arrow whenever you want to move in the opposite direction.  
 
Stop on view.  Then start tabbing.  You will move through all items in what is called the lower ribbon that are in the view ribbon. 
 
In other words you tab to see the items in a ribbon once you move to it.  Tab moves you forward through the items, shift tab moves you backword.
So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow. 
 
Many items in the lower ribbon are buttons.  Use either the space bar or enter to activate the button. You may find a button that opens a menu and if you press enter or the space bar, you will then be in a menu.
 
Each time you move to an item, you will hear the short cut command to work with that item. 
But JAWS has a bug and you often won't.  To hear the short cut, use the command JAWS key tab.  If you are using the default JAWS key, it is either insert.
 
Try tabbing to an item in a Wordpad ribbon and using the command insert tab.  You will hear some extraneous information.  The last thing you will hear is the short cut sequence.  You can repeat the information by repeating the command as often as you want.
 
Let's look at an item which is usually called the application menu.  Return to the main program window in wordpad by closing the ribbons.  You can either press escape repeatedly, if necessary, or you can press alt once.  Now, open the ribbons again with alt. 
Start right arrowing until you get to the application menu.
You will hear application menu and then something like button drop down grid.  Never mind drop down grid.  It's a description you don't have to worry about.  The important things are that you are on a button and at the application menu.  Press enter or the space bar to activate the button.  Activating the button opens the menu.  Start down arrowing. you will hear all the short cut commands necessary to open an item or take an action.  When you got to the menu item, you heard alt f.  When you open the menu and move through it, you will hear all the letters announced.  for example, if you down arrow to save as, you will hear alt f a.  that means that, when you are in the main program window, you open the menu as you always did, alt f, then type a.  Alt f opens the menau and a then opens save as.  Ribbon programs have one menu and you should look through it.  Many important and common commands and interfaces such as options may be there.  By options, I mean the kind of options interface you used to find in the tools menu.
 
Now the we have seen the menu, let's look at the ribbons structure some more.
To review, and add more information, as you have seen, you can move to the ribbon interface with alt.  Then right and left arrow, just as you would move from menu to menu. 
You can also move to a ribbon using alt and a letter.  So, alt h takes you to the home ribbon.  Alt v takes you to the view ribbon, etc.  Once you are on the ribbon you want to work with, tab to move forward through the items in a ribbon.  Shift tab to move back through the items.  So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow.
Ribbons are divided into categories which you will hear announced as you tab.  for example, in an e-mail program, a ribbon may have a category named respond.  You may hear this announced as respond tool bar.  As you tab, you will hear commands such as reply and forward in the respond category.  When you hear a category announced, don't tab until you hear everything spoken.  You will miss the first command in the category if you do.  I'm talking about working with an unfamiliar ribbon. 
there are often many more commands and items in a ribbon than in a menu.  So memorize command sequences for items you know you will use regularly. 
As I said, there are different categories in ribbons to help organize items.  You can quickly jump from category to category in a ribbon to help you see if there is a category you want to look through. 
Move to a ribbon in Wordpad.  For example, alt h for hhome or alt v for view.
Then repeatedly issue the command control right arrow to move forward from category to category and control left arrow to move back.  When you get to a category you want to hear the items in, start tabbing.  Of course, you can shift tab to move back. 
 
Open a ribbon in Wordpad and tab through it to see how it is organized by moving through it. 
Then use control right arrow to move by category and tab to see what is in a category. 
 
Commands such as control o, control n, control s, control r, etc. are mostly retained in programs
that use ribbons, though you won't hear them announced. If you don't already know them, you'll have to find them in ways such as by looking at a list of keyboard commands for the program.  Such lists are often available in the help for the program. If you already know the commands from having used an older version of the program, most or perhaps even all of the commands you know will work.  


Re: need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

Gene
 

That is a different Gene.  I don't know if he put the tutorial I did on his site.  I don't restrict use of it in any way so it may be there.  Also, I send it in e-mail messages and I never thought of giving it a title.  I just paste it into the message and send it where people want it.  So if people have placed it on web sites, I don't know what they may call it. 
 
I'll send it in a following message.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

Hi Jean,
Wasn’t that tutorial on your Accessibility central website? I actually went looking for yesterday, maybe I wasn’t in the right section, but I didn’t find it.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 19, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I doubt there is such an add on.  I haven't heard of one and a google search doesn't show one.  I don't know who you need it for or what teaching resources are available to the person in question but I would strongly recommend learning real ribbons.  Despite all the gnashing of teeth you hear, ribbons are not difficult.  they are just a different way of organizing an interface and everything is accessible.  I wrote a tutorial on ribbons that teaches their use with Wordpad since everyone has Wordpad.  I'll send it if you are interested. 
 
I also can find a link to an article that explains why virtual ribbons are actually inferior to real ribbons.
 
I wanty to make one point clearly.  It may be that there are people with conceptual disabilities who would have a hard time learning ribbons.  Most people shouldn't have particular difficulty and it should be assumed that people can learn them until experience shows that they have an unreasonable amount of difficulty.  If people were taught ribbons correctly, the ongoing resistance to them would be significantly reduced.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 1:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

              Hi guys. As a subject mentions, I need an NVDA addon that works like virtual ribben menues in jaws, so is there any addon available for NVDA? Thanks

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
www.blindHelp.net

 


Re: need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

Hi Jean,
Wasn’t that tutorial on your Accessibility central website? I actually went looking for yesterday, maybe I wasn’t in the right section, but I didn’t find it.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 19, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I doubt there is such an add on.  I haven't heard of one and a google search doesn't show one.  I don't know who you need it for or what teaching resources are available to the person in question but I would strongly recommend learning real ribbons.  Despite all the gnashing of teeth you hear, ribbons are not difficult.  they are just a different way of organizing an interface and everything is accessible.  I wrote a tutorial on ribbons that teaches their use with Wordpad since everyone has Wordpad.  I'll send it if you are interested. 
 
I also can find a link to an article that explains why virtual ribbons are actually inferior to real ribbons.
 
I wanty to make one point clearly.  It may be that there are people with conceptual disabilities who would have a hard time learning ribbons.  Most people shouldn't have particular difficulty and it should be assumed that people can learn them until experience shows that they have an unreasonable amount of difficulty.  If people were taught ribbons correctly, the ongoing resistance to them would be significantly reduced.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 1:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

              Hi guys. As a subject mentions, I need an NVDA addon that works like virtual ribben menues in jaws, so is there any addon available for NVDA? Thanks

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
www.blindHelp.net

 


nvda and thunderbird 57 beta

Josh Kennedy
 

HI

The latest thunderbird 57 beta is working a lot better. Thanks for the suggestion. Now all NVDA folks have to do is I think come up with a way to make nvda stop throwing me out of focus mode when trying to choose translation languages in google translate website with google chrome.


Josh


-- 
sent with mozilla thunderbird


Re: Soulseek QT?

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hey Sean.
At first I was confused and not sure why you were referring to malwarebytes, but after reading the whole message, I think I get it. These programmes use the same library and bypass the operating system for screen drawing? I don't fully understand the issues involved but I guess I have a vague notion. I do find malwarebytes good enough to use but yes, I agree it's not an awesome experience ... but then it's the sort of programme you just run and then leave, not something you have up and always want to fiddle with. I need more feedback than that from Soulseek. I already have issues with NS, but I guess what you're saying is that I too will just have to settle for "good enough for now, I guess"?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: November 19, 2017 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

qt has some accessibility doings.

Sadly it doesn't seem everyone impliments these right.

Malwarebytes really does try, but its not what I'd call a tidy program.

I mean it works to the point I can hit buttons and review bits of info but I can't check or uncheck, and reading is well its just rough as a bed of nails is all.

The only program that uses qt in my opinion that even works nicely is teamtalk.

And thats only probably because its dev just transfered the classic interface as an option without it it does work ok to.

He does use tolque which in itself is an accessibility library which controls readers and tells them what they should be saying.

Sadly not to many things use something like this outside maybe blind games.




On 20/11/2017 8:34 a.m., JM Casey wrote:
Hey everyone.

I don't have much hope, but I wondered if anyone had success using
this programme with NVDA? I did install it when I used JAWS
exclusively and could not do a thing with it beyond the setup screen,
which was accessible. It uses some library that writes directly to the
screen, I think, and JAWS at least couldn't see a word beyond that
point. But I feel like people who use NVDA are perhaps more willing to
experiment and try things out, and I wondered if anyone here had managed to successfully use this?

Right now, I do run Soulseek NS occasionally. It works ... ok, but
doesn't always play nice with Windows 10, sometimes disappearing from
the available windows altogether (even though it is still listed in
task manager as a running process) and sometimes failing to start
altogether, and I'm also not really convinced it is indexing my files
properly. Soulseek NS hasn't been developed for probably ten years, so
it'd be nice to get on board with QT, though I guess it's pretty cool that NS still works at all.

I did find one or two forum posts about QT with screen-readers and it
didn't really seem like there was a lot of interest in making it
accessible. But those posts were from years ago, too, and sometimes I
miss things with google searches. Just thought it was worth a shot!

Cheers.







Re: Soulseek QT?

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hm, so wait, you got Soulseek QT to work on Windows 7? Not the NS client,
right? The nS is the older client; I am using it now on Windows 10 but it
has some problems, and hasn't been developed since probably the early days
of XP. Still, at least it runs and is reasonably accessible, I guess. I
would however like to use the current client if possible, because half the
time people can't seem to download from me even though I have a nice
connection, and the programme likes to disappear on me. Like, it will stay
in the task manager as a process but the window is nowhere ... it's not in
the taskbar or anything.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Holger
Fiallo
Sent: November 19, 2017 2:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

Did not work for me with jaws and W10. I was using it with W7 and work well.

I also attempted to make it work with NVDA current, jaws 2018 and no go. I
like the program but now is hard to use.

-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

Hey everyone.

I don't have much hope, but I wondered if anyone had success using this
programme with NVDA? I did install it when I used JAWS exclusively and could
not do a thing with it beyond the setup screen, which was accessible. It
uses some library that writes directly to the screen, I think, and JAWS at
least couldn't see a word beyond that point. But I feel like people who use
NVDA are perhaps more willing to experiment and try things out, and I
wondered if anyone here had managed to successfully use this?

Right now, I do run Soulseek NS occasionally. It works ... ok, but doesn't
always play nice with Windows 10, sometimes disappearing from the available
windows altogether (even though it is still listed in task manager as a
running process) and sometimes failing to start altogether, and I'm also not
really convinced it is indexing my files properly. Soulseek NS hasn't been
developed for probably ten years, so it'd be nice to get on board with QT,
though I guess it's pretty cool that NS still works at all.

I did find one or two forum posts about QT with screen-readers and it didn't
really seem like there was a lot of interest in making it accessible. But
those posts were from years ago, too, and sometimes I miss things with
google searches. Just thought it was worth a shot!

Cheers.


Re: need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

Gene
 

I doubt there is such an add on.  I haven't heard of one and a google search doesn't show one.  I don't know who you need it for or what teaching resources are available to the person in question but I would strongly recommend learning real ribbons.  Despite all the gnashing of teeth you hear, ribbons are not difficult.  they are just a different way of organizing an interface and everything is accessible.  I wrote a tutorial on ribbons that teaches their use with Wordpad since everyone has Wordpad.  I'll send it if you are interested. 
 
I also can find a link to an article that explains why virtual ribbons are actually inferior to real ribbons.
 
I wanty to make one point clearly.  It may be that there are people with conceptual disabilities who would have a hard time learning ribbons.  Most people shouldn't have particular difficulty and it should be assumed that people can learn them until experience shows that they have an unreasonable amount of difficulty.  If people were taught ribbons correctly, the ongoing resistance to them would be significantly reduced.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 1:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

              Hi guys. As a subject mentions, I need an NVDA addon that works like virtual ribben menues in jaws, so is there any addon available for NVDA? Thanks

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
www.blindHelp.net

 


FW: [nvda-addons] Add-on updates: GoldWave 17.11, SystrayList 2.1 #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

First of a series of add-on release announcements for the next two weeks. This week is for add-ons that hasn’t been updated in a while, and next week will be newer ones.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io [mailto:nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 12:01 PM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda-addons] Add-on updates: GoldWave 17.11, SystrayList 2.1 #AddonRelease

 

Hi everyone,

 

Two add-ons have received updates: GoldWave 17.11 and systrayList 2.1. These versions bring new and updated translations, and in case of SystrayList, proper copyright header has been added to comply with community guidelines.

 

Add-on entries:

 

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Soulseek QT?

 

qt has some accessibility doings.

Sadly it doesn't seem everyone impliments these right.

Malwarebytes really does try, but its not what I'd call a tidy program.

I mean it works to the point I can hit buttons and review bits of info but I can't check or uncheck, and reading is well its just rough as a bed of nails is all.

The only program that uses qt in my opinion that even works nicely is teamtalk.

And thats only probably because its dev just transfered the classic interface as an option without it it does work ok to.

He does use tolque which in itself is an accessibility library which controls readers and tells them what they should be saying.

Sadly not to many things use something like this outside maybe blind games.

On 20/11/2017 8:34 a.m., JM Casey wrote:
Hey everyone.

I don't have much hope, but I wondered if anyone had success using this
programme with NVDA? I did install it when I used JAWS exclusively and could
not do a thing with it beyond the setup screen, which was accessible. It
uses some library that writes directly to the screen, I think, and JAWS at
least couldn't see a word beyond that point. But I feel like people who use
NVDA are perhaps more willing to experiment and try things out, and I
wondered if anyone here had managed to successfully use this?

Right now, I do run Soulseek NS occasionally. It works ... ok, but doesn't
always play nice with Windows 10, sometimes disappearing from the available
windows altogether (even though it is still listed in task manager as a
running process) and sometimes failing to start altogether, and I'm also not
really convinced it is indexing my files properly. Soulseek NS hasn't been
developed for probably ten years, so it'd be nice to get on board with QT,
though I guess it's pretty cool that NS still works at all.

I did find one or two forum posts about QT with screen-readers and it didn't
really seem like there was a lot of interest in making it accessible. But
those posts were from years ago, too, and sometimes I miss things with
google searches. Just thought it was worth a shot!

Cheers.






Re: Soulseek QT?

Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@...>
 

Did not work for me with jaws and W10. I was using it with W7 and work well. I also attempted to make it work with NVDA current, jaws 2018 and no go. I like the program but now is hard to use.

-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

Hey everyone.

I don't have much hope, but I wondered if anyone had success using this
programme with NVDA? I did install it when I used JAWS exclusively and could
not do a thing with it beyond the setup screen, which was accessible. It
uses some library that writes directly to the screen, I think, and JAWS at
least couldn't see a word beyond that point. But I feel like people who use
NVDA are perhaps more willing to experiment and try things out, and I
wondered if anyone here had managed to successfully use this?

Right now, I do run Soulseek NS occasionally. It works ... ok, but doesn't
always play nice with Windows 10, sometimes disappearing from the available
windows altogether (even though it is still listed in task manager as a
running process) and sometimes failing to start altogether, and I'm also not
really convinced it is indexing my files properly. Soulseek NS hasn't been
developed for probably ten years, so it'd be nice to get on board with QT,
though I guess it's pretty cool that NS still works at all.

I did find one or two forum posts about QT with screen-readers and it didn't
really seem like there was a lot of interest in making it accessible. But
those posts were from years ago, too, and sometimes I miss things with
google searches. Just thought it was worth a shot!

Cheers.


Re: can't down load audio from web sites any more

Gene
 

I doubt that is generally possible.  the play button is usually in some sort of player.  I doubt it would respond to a right click. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't down load audio from web sites any more

Depending what the site is at least for audio not necessarily video but
I do know on sites you use that are audio if there are no ways to get
the files you can simply load the site, hit right click on the play
button, and save the file.




On 19/11/2017 9:52 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> That page is basically an audio player as far as I can tell.
> What were you expecting?
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Vinton"
> <vinton.bobby5277@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 3:10 AM
> Subject: [nvda] can't down load audio from web sites any more
>
>
> Hay I just switched to crohm and when I am on a web page I can see the
> audio butt when I click save as it only saves the html of the page. 
> The sites I am trying to down load mp3s from are
> www.bigappleairchecks.com and www.airchecks.com.  I used every browser
> to try this.  The audio is in mp3 it is not a youtube or a flash web
> site.  I can down load pod casts just fine butt I want the audio from
> both the web sites.
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: nvda 2017.4rc1 and thunderbird version 52.4.0 (32-bit)

 

What I want to know is when thunderbird will actually get a release, there hasn't been one since 52 and while I don't mind as such as I use no addons at all, I would really like to see some improvements eventually.

win7 works but still I don't always watch it.

On 20/11/2017 7:47 a.m., Lino Morales wrote:
Try T Bird 57 beta. Its fast.

On 11/18/2017 5:00 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

also in windows10 home 64bit latest updated windows10 the very latest without being on the insider build. NVDA is sluggish when composing emails in thunderbird. Its very sluggish. When I hit backspace or any of the arrow keys when composing or writing emails NVDA takes one whole entire second to give me speech feedback on where the cursor is at. But on the web in google chrome and firefox and in microsoft wordpad, notepad and so on NVDA is fast and snappy when arrowing around. Has anyone noticed this and can this cursor lag with NVDA please be fixed?


Josh


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              Hi guys. As a subject mentions, I need an NVDA addon that works like virtual ribben menues in jaws, so is there any addon available for NVDA? Thanks

 

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Re: can't down load audio from web sites any more

 

Each site has its own trick.

Some you need to be lucky like dwad.net/episodes for example its an open folder.

hold will have the recent ep coming up and you can get that for a bit.

itunes is where the main folders but that is locked.

So what I need to do is find what I want, copy the link and add /itunes to the middle of it then change the file extention from wmv to mp3.

Now that site also has a podbean site, which I found out after telling the owners I had to basically modify things.

Ofcause not all are approachable.

For example vimio I have never figured out nore usually actually need to.

There have been sites where they will play things but if I view source then I can access and get the links but sometimes its imbedded somewhere and I have to look.

From time to time I need to use a bit of hacking to get things.

Sadly its hit and miss on the owners.

I can tell owner x if I find his contact info what I do but he may choose to not respond at all.

On 19/11/2017 10:22 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
The thing is many of the direct links are around but hidden.

I had a poke around the source of the page labelled main and found this one.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/koarmw8vqdfm7ou/BAARichAppelNovember2017IntroFinal.mp3?dl=1

However there may well be other resources on that site to facilitate downloading the clips, I have not really got the time to look.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Vinton" <vinton.bobby5277@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 3:10 AM
Subject: [nvda] can't down load audio from web sites any more


Hay I just switched to crohm and when I am on a web page I can see the audio butt when I click save as it only saves the html of the page.  The sites I am trying to down load mp3s from are www.bigappleairchecks.com and www.airchecks.com.  I used every browser to try this.  The audio is in mp3 it is not a youtube or a flash web site.  I can down load pod casts just fine butt I want the audio from both the web sites.

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Re: nvda 2017.4rc1 and thunderbird version 52.4.0 (32-bit)

Lino Morales
 

I'm about to eat lunch. Email me at:

lino.jr@...

 and I'll send you the link.

On 11/19/2017 2:40 PM, Casey wrote:

Hi where to you get this version from the you just reccamended?


On 11/19/2017 12:47 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Try T Bird 57 beta. Its fast.

On 11/18/2017 5:00 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

also in windows10 home 64bit latest updated windows10 the very latest without being on the insider build. NVDA is sluggish when composing emails in thunderbird. Its very sluggish. When I hit backspace or any of the arrow keys when composing or writing emails NVDA takes one whole entire second to give me speech feedback on where the cursor is at. But on the web in google chrome and firefox and in microsoft wordpad, notepad and so on NVDA is fast and snappy when arrowing around. Has anyone noticed this and can this cursor lag with NVDA please be fixed?


Josh


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Casey


Re: nvda 2017.4rc1 and thunderbird version 52.4.0 (32-bit)

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi where to you get this version from the you just reccamended?


On 11/19/2017 12:47 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Try T Bird 57 beta. Its fast.

On 11/18/2017 5:00 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

also in windows10 home 64bit latest updated windows10 the very latest without being on the insider build. NVDA is sluggish when composing emails in thunderbird. Its very sluggish. When I hit backspace or any of the arrow keys when composing or writing emails NVDA takes one whole entire second to give me speech feedback on where the cursor is at. But on the web in google chrome and firefox and in microsoft wordpad, notepad and so on NVDA is fast and snappy when arrowing around. Has anyone noticed this and can this cursor lag with NVDA please be fixed?


Josh


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Casey


Re: can't down load audio from web sites any more

 

I have avoided addons like this because of spyware issues.

Most audio you can save it.

Noscript will even block things.

video-download.co will work but the speed is really slow but its free and if you don't care then its a good option.

I get twitch videos like this, it can take about 5 hours to get a 100-200mb audio but its not like its critical data we are talking about.

On 19/11/2017 9:56 p.m., Bobby Vinton wrote:
Yes I have always down load helper in fire fox butt the add on no longer works. I have used this for 16 years. I have never learned how to down load audio with out any type of add on in a browser that is inbeded in a page. Hope some one can give me a key stroke for getting off of bigapple air checks web site or www.airchecks.com. I love the audio on those pages and I love radio history.

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From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 3:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't down load audio from web sites any more

Are you saying this worked before? Many sites do not allow downloads. I have
noticed this myself, instead they go to an intermediate page, which is what
you get if you save link as.
I've noticed this on sound cloud. Not all items seem to be allowed to take
the audio away, some you just have to play on the site player.

Probably something to do with the copyright. However if you did it before
then I have no idea of the issue.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby Vinton" <vinton.bobby5277@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 3:10 AM
Subject: [nvda] can't down load audio from web sites any more


Hay I just switched to crohm and when I am on a web page I can see the audio
butt when I click save as it only saves the html of the page. The sites I
am trying to down load mp3s from are www.bigappleairchecks.com and
www.airchecks.com. I used every browser to try this. The audio is in mp3
it is not a youtube or a flash web site. I can down load pod casts just
fine butt I want the audio from both the web sites.

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Re: can't down load audio from web sites any more

 

Depending what the site is at least for audio not necessarily video but I do know on sites you use that are audio if there are no ways to get the files you can simply load the site, hit right click on the play button, and save the file.

On 19/11/2017 9:52 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That page is basically an audio player as far as I can tell.
What were you expecting?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Vinton" <vinton.bobby5277@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 3:10 AM
Subject: [nvda] can't down load audio from web sites any more


Hay I just switched to crohm and when I am on a web page I can see the audio butt when I click save as it only saves the html of the page.  The sites I am trying to down load mp3s from are www.bigappleairchecks.com and www.airchecks.com.  I used every browser to try this.  The audio is in mp3 it is not a youtube or a flash web site.  I can down load pod casts just fine butt I want the audio from both the web sites.

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