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Re: My Firefox 57 issue

Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
 

This is exactly what is happening here.



Em 19/11/2017 20:32, Sharni-Lee Ward escreveu:

I know people have mentioned having issues with Firefox 57. I turned off
automatic updates but although I tried to activate the Not Now option
yesterday, it still did the thing. The new Firefox is slower, but not so
much so that I can't manage. However, it has frozen twice on different
sites, slowing down the whole computer/NVDA's response time, and when I
finally get to the Windows Task Manager, there are four instances of
Firefox.exe. Has anyone else experienced this?



Re: need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes I too find the ribbon not very easy to use at all. Its not intuitive. Everything may still be there and yes you can use keyboard shortcuts, but when as often occurs you need to find some option you have no idea where it might be, whereas in the classic menu its going to be in a common place and its easy to swap places very very quickly, in ribbons its not that easy, its a bit like a railway, where all the branch lines have branch lines but you cannot see which branch is the one with your station on it and to get to your station you need to go all the way back to your starting point to try again.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA


hello gene and gene nz.
i myself, dont have problem for learning ribbons, but i realy hate use
ribbons and prefer classic menu.
everyone has different taiste and different favor.
many people like ribbons, many like classic menu.
many like interface of windows xp or seven like me and many want to be
upto date and experience new things.
for people like me who want classic and traditional technology, there
are some programs like ribbon disabler in newer windows and also one
program that i found called classic menu for office which is
commercial.
i believe that microsoft should consider our need and interest and
provide the way for lovers of classic technology and does not fource
us to accept the changes!
can you please send me your tutorial off list?
i am afraid losing emails between thousands of emails.
God bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you.

On 11/20/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Anyone can distribute or display the tutorial.

If you want to label sections, that's fine.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 7:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA


Hi Gene




I was just reading the emails on this topic. If you allow me i can paste
your tutorial up on Accessibilitycentral.net so others in the community can
access it at any time to learn how to use them. it can go on a separate page
and have the headings called split buttons and how to use ribbons with nvda.
it will probably be along the same lines unless you want to give those
sections a title each. the page it will most probably come off is nvda
tutorials for other programs page just under the Microsoft word tutorial.




I was thinking along the lines of maybe doing a audio tutorial on using them
which i can add to that page for other programs page. It would be a day or
so before it goes up there.




That would be your written one.




I think i might have some thing written on the windows 10 page but am
thinking of removing it any how.




I will put the tutorial is written by ..... unless you want it left off.







Gene nz









On 11/20/2017 10:25 AM, Gene wrote:

That is a different Gene. I don't know if he put the tutorial I did on
his site. I don't restrict use of it in any way so it may be there. Also,
I send it in e-mail messages and I never thought of giving it a title. I
just paste it into the message and send it where people want it. So if
people have placed it on web sites, I don't know what they may call it.

I'll send it in a following message.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 3:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA


Hi Jean,
Wasn’t that tutorial on your Accessibility central website? I actually
went looking for yesterday, maybe I wasn’t in the right section, but I
didn’t find it.
Mary




Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 19, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:


I doubt there is such an add on. I haven't heard of one and a google
search doesn't show one. I don't know who you need it for or what teaching
resources are available to the person in question but I would strongly
recommend learning real ribbons. Despite all the gnashing of teeth you
hear, ribbons are not difficult. they are just a different way of
organizing an interface and everything is accessible. I wrote a tutorial on
ribbons that teaches their use with Wordpad since everyone has Wordpad.
I'll send it if you are interested.

I also can find a link to an article that explains why virtual ribbons
are actually inferior to real ribbons.

I wanty to make one point clearly. It may be that there are people with
conceptual disabilities who would have a hard time learning ribbons. Most
people shouldn't have particular difficulty and it should be assumed that
people can learn them until experience shows that they have an unreasonable
amount of difficulty. If people were taught ribbons correctly, the ongoing
resistance to them would be significantly reduced.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: abdul muhamin
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 1:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA


Hi guys. As a subject mentions, I need an NVDA addon that
works like virtual ribben menues in jaws, so is there any addon available
for NVDA? Thanks



regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
www.blindHelp.net





--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

 

hello gene and gene nz.
i myself, dont have problem for learning ribbons, but i realy hate use
ribbons and prefer classic menu.
everyone has different taiste and different favor.
many people like ribbons, many like classic menu.
many like interface of windows xp or seven like me and many want to be
upto date and experience new things.
for people like me who want classic and traditional technology, there
are some programs like ribbon disabler in newer windows and also one
program that i found called classic menu for office which is
commercial.
i believe that microsoft should consider our need and interest and
provide the way for lovers of classic technology and does not fource
us to accept the changes!
can you please send me your tutorial off list?
i am afraid losing emails between thousands of emails.
God bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you.

On 11/20/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Anyone can distribute or display the tutorial.

If you want to label sections, that's fine.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 7:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA


Hi Gene




I was just reading the emails on this topic. If you allow me i can paste
your tutorial up on Accessibilitycentral.net so others in the community can
access it at any time to learn how to use them. it can go on a separate page
and have the headings called split buttons and how to use ribbons with nvda.
it will probably be along the same lines unless you want to give those
sections a title each. the page it will most probably come off is nvda
tutorials for other programs page just under the Microsoft word tutorial.




I was thinking along the lines of maybe doing a audio tutorial on using them
which i can add to that page for other programs page. It would be a day or
so before it goes up there.




That would be your written one.




I think i might have some thing written on the windows 10 page but am
thinking of removing it any how.




I will put the tutorial is written by ..... unless you want it left off.







Gene nz









On 11/20/2017 10:25 AM, Gene wrote:

That is a different Gene. I don't know if he put the tutorial I did on
his site. I don't restrict use of it in any way so it may be there. Also,
I send it in e-mail messages and I never thought of giving it a title. I
just paste it into the message and send it where people want it. So if
people have placed it on web sites, I don't know what they may call it.

I'll send it in a following message.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 3:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA


Hi Jean,
Wasn’t that tutorial on your Accessibility central website? I actually
went looking for yesterday, maybe I wasn’t in the right section, but I
didn’t find it.
Mary




Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 19, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:


I doubt there is such an add on. I haven't heard of one and a google
search doesn't show one. I don't know who you need it for or what teaching
resources are available to the person in question but I would strongly
recommend learning real ribbons. Despite all the gnashing of teeth you
hear, ribbons are not difficult. they are just a different way of
organizing an interface and everything is accessible. I wrote a tutorial on
ribbons that teaches their use with Wordpad since everyone has Wordpad.
I'll send it if you are interested.

I also can find a link to an article that explains why virtual ribbons
are actually inferior to real ribbons.

I wanty to make one point clearly. It may be that there are people with
conceptual disabilities who would have a hard time learning ribbons. Most
people shouldn't have particular difficulty and it should be assumed that
people can learn them until experience shows that they have an unreasonable
amount of difficulty. If people were taught ribbons correctly, the ongoing
resistance to them would be significantly reduced.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: abdul muhamin
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 1:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA


Hi guys. As a subject mentions, I need an NVDA addon that
works like virtual ribben menues in jaws, so is there any addon available
for NVDA? Thanks



regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
www.blindHelp.net





--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: Office: why is it so slow with NVDA?

Simone Dal Maso
 

Ok, but this is not acceptable, because we can-t say that NVDA is ok with office and when you use it you go into the lag/world.
I don-t know how to justify it, but I think this should be mentioned on main documentation.

Il 20/11/2017 05:05, Devin Prater ha scritto:
Oh, I have a threaded quad core CPU, 1 TB spinning drive, and 8 gigs of ram. But Narrator is slow with Office as well. The only Screen Reader that I know isn’t slow with Office is JAWS, and I’d rather not let the shark take the arm and a leg to buy it.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services for the Blind

On Nov 19, 2017, at 3:28 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io <mailto:bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>> wrote:

There a number of people who get slowness and a number who do not and this seems to be a bit of a mystery. The only thing I can advise is that you all get involved in the relevant github issues being created and hopefully some sense will emerge by looking at hardware and software involved. My gut feeling is that its the multicore processors that are suffering uneven loadings due to many parts of windows, including nvda being run in a single core and maxing it out. The multi processor issue has always been a problem as obviously many tasks rely on the output from others for their data and hence if  its taking longer things will slow down. Its not just simply a case of lets make nvda 64 bit as we still have the dependent outcome issues.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Nika Tsiklauri" <ntsiklauri2@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Office: why is it so slow with NVDA?


I do have a latest office and latest NVDA. It  also lacks there too.  it
was the same on windows seven.



Re: need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

Gene
 

Anyone can distribute or display the tutorial.
 
If you want to label sections, that's fine.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

Hi Gene


I was just reading the emails on this topic. If you allow me i can paste your tutorial up on Accessibilitycentral.net so others in the community can access it at any time to learn how to use them. it can go on a separate page and have the headings called split buttons and how to use ribbons with nvda. it will probably be along the same lines unless you want to give those sections a title each. the page it will most probably come off is nvda tutorials for other programs page just under the Microsoft word tutorial.


I was thinking along the lines of maybe doing a audio tutorial on using them which i can add to that page for other programs page. It would be a day or so before it goes up there.


That would be your written one.


I think i might have some thing written on the windows 10 page but am thinking of removing it any how.


I will put the tutorial is written by ..... unless you want it left off.



Gene nz




On 11/20/2017 10:25 AM, Gene wrote:
That is a different Gene.  I don't know if he put the tutorial I did on his site.  I don't restrict use of it in any way so it may be there.  Also, I send it in e-mail messages and I never thought of giving it a title.  I just paste it into the message and send it where people want it.  So if people have placed it on web sites, I don't know what they may call it. 
 
I'll send it in a following message.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

Hi Jean,
Wasn’t that tutorial on your Accessibility central website? I actually went looking for yesterday, maybe I wasn’t in the right section, but I didn’t find it.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 19, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I doubt there is such an add on.  I haven't heard of one and a google search doesn't show one.  I don't know who you need it for or what teaching resources are available to the person in question but I would strongly recommend learning real ribbons.  Despite all the gnashing of teeth you hear, ribbons are not difficult.  they are just a different way of organizing an interface and everything is accessible.  I wrote a tutorial on ribbons that teaches their use with Wordpad since everyone has Wordpad.  I'll send it if you are interested. 
 
I also can find a link to an article that explains why virtual ribbons are actually inferior to real ribbons.
 
I wanty to make one point clearly.  It may be that there are people with conceptual disabilities who would have a hard time learning ribbons.  Most people shouldn't have particular difficulty and it should be assumed that people can learn them until experience shows that they have an unreasonable amount of difficulty.  If people were taught ribbons correctly, the ongoing resistance to them would be significantly reduced.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 1:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

              Hi guys. As a subject mentions, I need an NVDA addon that works like virtual ribben menues in jaws, so is there any addon available for NVDA? Thanks

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
www.blindHelp.net

 


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Amazon.com in Firefox 57 and Google Chrome.

John Isige
 

I don't know if this is related to the Google Translate issue, but both in Firefox 57 and Chrome Version 62.0.3202.94 (Official Build) (64-bit), I'm seeing the same behavior, in NVDA 2017.4 RC1. The combo box to pick a department won't work. Steps to reproduce:


1. Go to www.amazon.com


2. Hit c.


3. Type something into the combo box to select a department, or try expanding it.


It appears to go into focus mode and do nothing. Sometimes it goes into the edit field.


Re: Office: why is it so slow with NVDA?

Devin Prater
 

Oh, I have a threaded quad core CPU, 1 TB spinning drive, and 8 gigs of ram. But Narrator is slow with Office as well. The only Screen Reader that I know isn’t slow with Office is JAWS, and I’d rather not let the shark take the arm and a leg to buy it.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services for the Blind



On Nov 19, 2017, at 3:28 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:

There a number of people who get slowness and a number who do not and this seems to be a bit of a mystery. The only thing I can advise is that you all get involved in the relevant github issues being created and hopefully some sense will emerge by looking at hardware and software involved. My gut feeling is that its the multicore processors that are suffering uneven loadings due to many parts of windows, including nvda being run in a single core and maxing it out. The multi processor issue has always been a problem as obviously many tasks rely on the output from others for their data and hence if  its taking longer things will slow down. Its not just simply a case of lets make nvda 64 bit as we still have the dependent outcome issues.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Nika Tsiklauri" <ntsiklauri2@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Office: why is it so slow with NVDA?


I do have a latest office and latest NVDA. It  also lacks there too.  it
was the same on windows seven.






Re: Creating a profile for a program

Quentin Christensen
 

Fantastic, great to hear Ann!

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Ann Byrne <annakb@...> wrote:
Worked like a charm!

thanks a lot,

Ann
At 05:41 PM 11/19/2017, you wrote:
Hi Ann,

To create a profile with no speech while you are in a particular program:

1. Ensure the program you want to create the profile for is running.
2. Press NVDA+n to open the NVDA menu
3. Press C to select "Configuration profiles"
4. Press alt+n to create a new profile
5. Type TT or whatever you like as the name of the profile.
6. Press tab once to "Use this profile for".
7. Press right arrow to move to "Current application TT" (or similar).
8. Press ENTER to create the profile.
9. Press NVDA+control+s to open the synthesizer dialog.
10. Press end to select "no speech".
11. Press ENTER to select that synthesizer.

Now, whenever this program is active, NVDA won't speak.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 6:02 AM, Ann Byrne <<mailto:annakb@...>annakb@...> wrote:
How do I create a profile to turn off NVDA speech for a self-voicing program?  In the buttons on the profile screen is 'trigger' and 'manual'.  I want the program to trigger turning speech off.

1.  Open the program (it is called TT).
2. Activate 'trigger'?
3. what do I do with the 'manual' button?
4. turn off speech with insert+s?

Then it isn't talking and what do I do next?

Rescue would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Ann







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

<http://www.nvaccess.org/>www.nvaccess.orgÂ
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--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Creating a profile for a program

Ann Byrne
 

Worked like a charm!

thanks a lot,

Ann

At 05:41 PM 11/19/2017, you wrote:
Hi Ann,

To create a profile with no speech while you are in a particular program:

1. Ensure the program you want to create the profile for is running.
2. Press NVDA+n to open the NVDA menu
3. Press C to select "Configuration profiles"
4. Press alt+n to create a new profile
5. Type TT or whatever you like as the name of the profile.
6. Press tab once to "Use this profile for".
7. Press right arrow to move to "Current application TT" (or similar).
8. Press ENTER to create the profile.
9. Press NVDA+control+s to open the synthesizer dialog.
10. Press end to select "no speech".
11. Press ENTER to select that synthesizer.

Now, whenever this program is active, NVDA won't speak.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 6:02 AM, Ann Byrne <<mailto:annakb@sbcglobal.net>annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
How do I create a profile to turn off NVDA speech for a self-voicing program? In the buttons on the profile screen is 'trigger' and 'manual'. I want the program to trigger turning speech off.

1. Open the program (it is called TT).
2. Activate 'trigger'?
3. what do I do with the 'manual' button?
4. turn off speech with insert+s?

Then it isn't talking and what do I do next?

Rescue would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Ann







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

<http://www.nvaccess.org/>www.nvaccess.orgÂ
Facebook:Â <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>http://www.facebook.com/NVAccessÂ
Twitter: @NVAccessÂ


Re: nvda 2017.4RC1 and google chrome 62 latest google translate

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Josh,

I just had a bit of a look at the issue.  Once I install NVDA 2017.4rc1, I get the issue you mention.  I then tried a few older builds (as temporary versions) and couldn't replicate.  I then tried rc1 again and this time it works fine.  I suspect, it might be something that just behaves a bit oddly the first time the build is run.  Could you restart NVDA and confirm whether the issue is still present please?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Josh,

Did it work on NVDA 2017.3?  Just confirming that it is an issue with the RC build rather than something which has been there for awhile.

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 6:27 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

hi

I tried google translate with jaws2018 in google chrome. list boxes work fine and forms mode stays on. NVDA issue is with google translate when trying to choose a language, when you arrow or attempt arrowing through the pop up list box, NVDA forces you back into browse mode no matter what you do. I hope this little issue can be fixed for the final 2017.4 release. this is an nvda issue, because jaws and chromevox work fine with those list boxes on the google translate website.


Josh


-- 
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--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Soulseek QT?

 

I think some folks have been able to get qt apps to work to a extent

using some accessible dlls and other stuff that people can get from the tap in radio folder?

I seemed this mentioned some where else and I used to have the zip file that some one zipped up a while back.  I have sense lost it but it did help in qt apps a bit like I said it made them work a bit better to a extent

On 11/19/2017 3:51 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey.
That's very interesting. You'd think then it would also work in windows 10.
Did you ever try running Soulseek QT in compatibility mode?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Holger
Fiallo
Sent: November 19, 2017 4:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

When I was using W7, yes.

-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 2:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

Hm, so wait, you got Soulseek QT to work on Windows 7? Not the NS client,
right? The nS is the older client; I am using it now on Windows 10 but it
has some problems, and hasn't been developed since probably the early days
of XP. Still, at least it runs and is reasonably accessible, I guess. I
would however like to use the current client if possible, because half the
time people can't seem to download from me even though I have a nice
connection, and the programme likes to disappear on me. Like, it will stay
in the task manager as a process but the window is nowhere ... it's not in
the taskbar or anything.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Holger
Fiallo
Sent: November 19, 2017 2:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

Did not work for me with jaws and W10. I was using it with W7 and work well.

I also attempted to make it work with NVDA current, jaws 2018 and no go. I
like the program but now is hard to use.

-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

Hey everyone.

I don't have much hope, but I wondered if anyone had success using this
programme with NVDA? I did install it when I used JAWS exclusively and could
not do a thing with it beyond the setup screen, which was accessible. It
uses some library that writes directly to the screen, I think, and JAWS at
least couldn't see a word beyond that point. But I feel like people who use
NVDA are perhaps more willing to experiment and try things out, and I
wondered if anyone here had managed to successfully use this?

Right now, I do run Soulseek NS occasionally. It works ... ok, but doesn't
always play nice with Windows 10, sometimes disappearing from the available
windows altogether (even though it is still listed in task manager as a
running process) and sometimes failing to start altogether, and I'm also not
really convinced it is indexing my files properly. Soulseek NS hasn't been
developed for probably ten years, so it'd be nice to get on board with QT,
though I guess it's pretty cool that NS still works at all.

I did find one or two forum posts about QT with screen-readers and it didn't
really seem like there was a lot of interest in making it accessible. But
those posts were from years ago, too, and sometimes I miss things with
google searches. Just thought it was worth a shot!

Cheers.
















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Re: nvda 2017.4rc1 and thunderbird version 52.4.0 (32-bit)

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

hi thanks for doing that and i know have it.

On 11/19/2017 7:27 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
there you go.

https://download.mozilla.org/?product=thunderbird-57.0b1-SSL&os=win&lang=en-US

On 11/20/2017 9:22 AM, Casey wrote:
Hi can you send the way to down load this version please.




On 11/19/2017 5:58 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
Hi, Shaun! there is a beta version you may try it. the response for the nvda 2017.4 RC1 works fine and seemingly fast.

On 11/20/2017 3:48 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
What I want to know is when thunderbird will actually get a release, there hasn't been one since 52 and while I don't mind as such as I use no addons at all, I would really like to see some improvements eventually.

win7 works but still I don't always watch it.




On 20/11/2017 7:47 a.m., Lino Morales wrote:
Try T Bird 57 beta. Its fast.

On 11/18/2017 5:00 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

also in windows10 home 64bit latest updated windows10 the very latest without being on the insider build. NVDA is sluggish when composing emails in thunderbird. Its very sluggish. When I hit backspace or any of the arrow keys when composing or writing emails NVDA takes one whole entire second to give me speech feedback on where the cursor is at. But on the web in google chrome and firefox and in microsoft wordpad, notepad and so on NVDA is fast and snappy when arrowing around. Has anyone noticed this and can this cursor lag with NVDA please be fixed?


Josh


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Re: nvda 2017.4rc1 and thunderbird version 52.4.0 (32-bit)

Robert Mendoza
 

On 11/20/2017 9:22 AM, Casey wrote:
Hi can you send the way to down load this version please.




On 11/19/2017 5:58 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
Hi, Shaun! there is a beta version you may try it. the response for the nvda 2017.4 RC1 works fine and seemingly fast.

On 11/20/2017 3:48 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
What I want to know is when thunderbird will actually get a release, there hasn't been one since 52 and while I don't mind as such as I use no addons at all, I would really like to see some improvements eventually.

win7 works but still I don't always watch it.




On 20/11/2017 7:47 a.m., Lino Morales wrote:
Try T Bird 57 beta. Its fast.

On 11/18/2017 5:00 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

also in windows10 home 64bit latest updated windows10 the very latest without being on the insider build. NVDA is sluggish when composing emails in thunderbird. Its very sluggish. When I hit backspace or any of the arrow keys when composing or writing emails NVDA takes one whole entire second to give me speech feedback on where the cursor is at. But on the web in google chrome and firefox and in microsoft wordpad, notepad and so on NVDA is fast and snappy when arrowing around. Has anyone noticed this and can this cursor lag with NVDA please be fixed?


Josh


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Re: nvda 2017.4rc1 and thunderbird version 52.4.0 (32-bit)

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi can you send the way to down load this version please.

On 11/19/2017 5:58 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
Hi, Shaun! there is a beta version you may try it. the response for the nvda 2017.4 RC1 works fine and seemingly fast.

On 11/20/2017 3:48 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
What I want to know is when thunderbird will actually get a release, there hasn't been one since 52 and while I don't mind as such as I use no addons at all, I would really like to see some improvements eventually.

win7 works but still I don't always watch it.




On 20/11/2017 7:47 a.m., Lino Morales wrote:
Try T Bird 57 beta. Its fast.

On 11/18/2017 5:00 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

also in windows10 home 64bit latest updated windows10 the very latest without being on the insider build. NVDA is sluggish when composing emails in thunderbird. Its very sluggish. When I hit backspace or any of the arrow keys when composing or writing emails NVDA takes one whole entire second to give me speech feedback on where the cursor is at. But on the web in google chrome and firefox and in microsoft wordpad, notepad and so on NVDA is fast and snappy when arrowing around. Has anyone noticed this and can this cursor lag with NVDA please be fixed?


Josh


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Re: need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Gene


I was just reading the emails on this topic. If you allow me i can paste your tutorial up on Accessibilitycentral.net so others in the community can access it at any time to learn how to use them. it can go on a separate page and have the headings called split buttons and how to use ribbons with nvda. it will probably be along the same lines unless you want to give those sections a title each. the page it will most probably come off is nvda tutorials for other programs page just under the Microsoft word tutorial.


I was thinking along the lines of maybe doing a audio tutorial on using them which i can add to that page for other programs page. It would be a day or so before it goes up there.


That would be your written one.


I think i might have some thing written on the windows 10 page but am thinking of removing it any how.


I will put the tutorial is written by ..... unless you want it left off.



Gene nz


 


On 11/20/2017 10:25 AM, Gene wrote:
That is a different Gene.  I don't know if he put the tutorial I did on his site.  I don't restrict use of it in any way so it may be there.  Also, I send it in e-mail messages and I never thought of giving it a title.  I just paste it into the message and send it where people want it.  So if people have placed it on web sites, I don't know what they may call it. 
 
I'll send it in a following message.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

Hi Jean,
Wasn’t that tutorial on your Accessibility central website? I actually went looking for yesterday, maybe I wasn’t in the right section, but I didn’t find it.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 19, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I doubt there is such an add on.  I haven't heard of one and a google search doesn't show one.  I don't know who you need it for or what teaching resources are available to the person in question but I would strongly recommend learning real ribbons.  Despite all the gnashing of teeth you hear, ribbons are not difficult.  they are just a different way of organizing an interface and everything is accessible.  I wrote a tutorial on ribbons that teaches their use with Wordpad since everyone has Wordpad.  I'll send it if you are interested. 
 
I also can find a link to an article that explains why virtual ribbons are actually inferior to real ribbons.
 
I wanty to make one point clearly.  It may be that there are people with conceptual disabilities who would have a hard time learning ribbons.  Most people shouldn't have particular difficulty and it should be assumed that people can learn them until experience shows that they have an unreasonable amount of difficulty.  If people were taught ribbons correctly, the ongoing resistance to them would be significantly reduced.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 1:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

              Hi guys. As a subject mentions, I need an NVDA addon that works like virtual ribben menues in jaws, so is there any addon available for NVDA? Thanks

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
www.blindHelp.net

 


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Re: nvda 2017.4RC1 and google chrome 62 latest google translate

Quentin Christensen
 

Josh,

Did it work on NVDA 2017.3?  Just confirming that it is an issue with the RC build rather than something which has been there for awhile.

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 6:27 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

hi

I tried google translate with jaws2018 in google chrome. list boxes work fine and forms mode stays on. NVDA issue is with google translate when trying to choose a language, when you arrow or attempt arrowing through the pop up list box, NVDA forces you back into browse mode no matter what you do. I hope this little issue can be fixed for the final 2017.4 release. this is an nvda issue, because jaws and chromevox work fine with those list boxes on the google translate website.


Josh


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Re: nvda 2017.4rc1 and thunderbird version 52.4.0 (32-bit)

Robert Mendoza
 

On 11/20/2017 3:40 AM, Casey wrote:

Hi where to you get this version from the you just reccamended?


On 11/19/2017 12:47 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Try T Bird 57 beta. Its fast.

On 11/18/2017 5:00 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

also in windows10 home 64bit latest updated windows10 the very latest without being on the insider build. NVDA is sluggish when composing emails in thunderbird. Its very sluggish. When I hit backspace or any of the arrow keys when composing or writing emails NVDA takes one whole entire second to give me speech feedback on where the cursor is at. But on the web in google chrome and firefox and in microsoft wordpad, notepad and so on NVDA is fast and snappy when arrowing around. Has anyone noticed this and can this cursor lag with NVDA please be fixed?


Josh


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sent with mozilla thunderbird

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Casey


Re: nvda 2017.4rc1 and thunderbird version 52.4.0 (32-bit)

Robert Mendoza
 

Hi, Shaun! there is a beta version you may try it. the response for the nvda 2017.4 RC1 works fine and seemingly fast.

On 11/20/2017 3:48 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
What I want to know is when thunderbird will actually get a release, there hasn't been one since 52 and while I don't mind as such as I use no addons at all, I would really like to see some improvements eventually.

win7 works but still I don't always watch it.




On 20/11/2017 7:47 a.m., Lino Morales wrote:
Try T Bird 57 beta. Its fast.

On 11/18/2017 5:00 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

also in windows10 home 64bit latest updated windows10 the very latest without being on the insider build. NVDA is sluggish when composing emails in thunderbird. Its very sluggish. When I hit backspace or any of the arrow keys when composing or writing emails NVDA takes one whole entire second to give me speech feedback on where the cursor is at. But on the web in google chrome and firefox and in microsoft wordpad, notepad and so on NVDA is fast and snappy when arrowing around. Has anyone noticed this and can this cursor lag with NVDA please be fixed?


Josh


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sent with mozilla thunderbird


Re: Soulseek QT?

 

I agree, mbam is something I install in demo mode on a system with suspected infections and that needs clearing, but it doesn't stay on the systems in question long term.

I run it and use it if the user reports a problem or if something stupid has gone on, but then its gone.

It does what I need it to do and it is usable to the point where it does what it does, but I wouldn't use it to tie my own shoe laces with.

On 20/11/2017 9:14 a.m., JM Casey wrote:
Hey Sean.
At first I was confused and not sure why you were referring to malwarebytes, but after reading the whole message, I think I get it. These programmes use the same library and bypass the operating system for screen drawing? I don't fully understand the issues involved but I guess I have a vague notion. I do find malwarebytes good enough to use but yes, I agree it's not an awesome experience ... but then it's the sort of programme you just run and then leave, not something you have up and always want to fiddle with. I need more feedback than that from Soulseek. I already have issues with NS, but I guess what you're saying is that I too will just have to settle for "good enough for now, I guess"?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: November 19, 2017 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

qt has some accessibility doings.

Sadly it doesn't seem everyone impliments these right.

Malwarebytes really does try, but its not what I'd call a tidy program.

I mean it works to the point I can hit buttons and review bits of info but I can't check or uncheck, and reading is well its just rough as a bed of nails is all.

The only program that uses qt in my opinion that even works nicely is teamtalk.

And thats only probably because its dev just transfered the classic interface as an option without it it does work ok to.

He does use tolque which in itself is an accessibility library which controls readers and tells them what they should be saying.

Sadly not to many things use something like this outside maybe blind games.




On 20/11/2017 8:34 a.m., JM Casey wrote:
Hey everyone.

I don't have much hope, but I wondered if anyone had success using
this programme with NVDA? I did install it when I used JAWS
exclusively and could not do a thing with it beyond the setup screen,
which was accessible. It uses some library that writes directly to the
screen, I think, and JAWS at least couldn't see a word beyond that
point. But I feel like people who use NVDA are perhaps more willing to
experiment and try things out, and I wondered if anyone here had managed to successfully use this?

Right now, I do run Soulseek NS occasionally. It works ... ok, but
doesn't always play nice with Windows 10, sometimes disappearing from
the available windows altogether (even though it is still listed in
task manager as a running process) and sometimes failing to start
altogether, and I'm also not really convinced it is indexing my files
properly. Soulseek NS hasn't been developed for probably ten years, so
it'd be nice to get on board with QT, though I guess it's pretty cool that NS still works at all.

I did find one or two forum posts about QT with screen-readers and it
didn't really seem like there was a lot of interest in making it
accessible. But those posts were from years ago, too, and sometimes I
miss things with google searches. Just thought it was worth a shot!

Cheers.










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Re: Creating a profile for a program

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Ann,

To create a profile with no speech while you are in a particular program:

1. Ensure the program you want to create the profile for is running.
2. Press NVDA+n to open the NVDA menu
3. Press C to select "Configuration profiles"
4. Press alt+n to create a new profile
5. Type TT or whatever you like as the name of the profile.
6. Press tab once to "Use this profile for".
7. Press right arrow to move to "Current application TT" (or similar).
8. Press ENTER to create the profile.
9. Press NVDA+control+s to open the synthesizer dialog.
10. Press end to select "no speech".
11. Press ENTER to select that synthesizer.

Now, whenever this program is active, NVDA won't speak.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 6:02 AM, Ann Byrne <annakb@...> wrote:
How do I create a profile to turn off NVDA speech for a self-voicing program?  In the buttons on the profile screen is 'trigger' and 'manual'.  I want the program to trigger turning speech off.

1.  Open the program (it is called TT).
2. Activate 'trigger'?
3. what do I do with the 'manual' button?
4. turn off speech with insert+s?

Then it isn't talking and what do I do next?

Rescue would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Ann







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