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Re: need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

Gene
 

Here is the ribbon tutorial, below my signature.
 
Gene
 
I'll provide a brief tutorial based on what I wrote years ago of how to work with ribbons. 
 
I've added a little to it here.
 
I don't know how the organization of Windows has changed in Windows 10 but this description should allow you to look through the Windows ribbons, or any other ribbons, and see how things are organized. 
 
First, I'll discuss a structure found in later versions of Windows that you need to know about-- the split button. 
One thing you will see as you look around ribbons and in other places in Windows are split buttons. A split button often allows you to see more options than just the default action.  Let's take an example. 
Let's say you come across a split button that says shut down Windows.  If you press enter on that button, Windows will shut down.  That is the default action.  Split buttons often show more options if you either right arrow while on the button or down arrow.  As an example, if you are on the shut down split button, you can right arrow and a list of options will open.  the items in the list include sleep, hibernate, restart, and others.  You up or down arrow through the list or use the short cut commands you hear announced as you move through the list.  the letter shortcuts often take actions without pressing enter so be careful when using them, just as you are in menus. 
 
So, let's review.  You find a split button that says shut down.  If you press enter, the computer will shut down. If you right arrow, other options may be displayed.  Or if you down arrow, other options may be displayed.  A split button won't work with both methods.  One method, either right arrowing or down arrowing will do so if it can be done with the button.  Try both methods if you don't know which one might work.  If you are on a tool bar which extends across the screen from left to right, down arrowing will open additional options.  If you think about this, it makes sense.  If you are in a menu, down arrowing will move you to the next item in the menu.  So you right arrow on the split button to cause it to display more options.  In a tool bar that extends across the screen from left to right, right arrowing will move you to the next item in the tool bar.  So you down arrow when on the split button to cause it to display more options.  But some tool bars run up and down the screen, as menus do.  And at times, you may not be sure which way a structure extends on screen.  So, as I said, if you are not sure or don't know, try both methods of causing the split button to display more options.  Often, one of them will work. If you open the options a split button offers and don't want to work with them, arrow in the opposite direction to move out of them.  For example, if you right arrowed to open more options, left arrow. 
Some split buttons don't do anything when you right arrow or down arrow.  In that case, open them with alt down arrow.  Then tab through the additional options.  I've almost never worked in this way with split buttons but if you want to close a split button, try alt up arrow if you've used alt down arrow to open it.
 
Now, to ribbons themselves.
 
Regarding ribbons, much of the complaining about them is not warranted if you understand how they work and how to use short cut commands effectively and efficiently.  and I would strongly recommend against using the JAWS virtual menus, no matter what the JAWS training material says about ribbons being difficult to use.  the training material is just plain wrong and using virtual menus, you will be unnecessarily dependent on one screen-reader.  There are other disadvantages to using them which I won't go into here.
 
Try looking at ribbons and doing what is described below in wordpad.  Everyone with Windows 7 has Wordpad on their machine.  Wordpad provides a good environment to look at and practice working with ribbons.  
 
The essence of working with ribbons is this:
Press alt to move to the upper ribbon.
You will probably be on an item that says home tab. Items on the upper ribbon are announced as tabs such as home tab, view tab, etc. 
To see what ribbons are available, right or left arrow repeatedly to move through the ribbons.  Move in one
direction to move through all of them, just as you would to move through all the menus.
 
For this demonstration, just so we are all doing the same thing, move with the right arrow. When you get back to where you started, you can keep right arrowing to move through the items again, if you wish.  You can move through all the items as many times as you want. Or you can move with the left arrow whenever you want to move in the opposite direction.  
 
Stop on view.  Then start tabbing.  You will move through all items in what is called the lower ribbon that are in the view ribbon. 
 
In other words you tab to see the items in a ribbon once you move to it.  Tab moves you forward through the items, shift tab moves you backword.
So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow. 
 
Many items in the lower ribbon are buttons.  Use either the space bar or enter to activate the button. You may find a button that opens a menu and if you press enter or the space bar, you will then be in a menu.
 
Each time you move to an item, you will hear the short cut command to work with that item. 
But JAWS has a bug and you often won't.  To hear the short cut, use the command JAWS key tab.  If you are using the default JAWS key, it is either insert.
 
Try tabbing to an item in a Wordpad ribbon and using the command insert tab.  You will hear some extraneous information.  The last thing you will hear is the short cut sequence.  You can repeat the information by repeating the command as often as you want.
 
Let's look at an item which is usually called the application menu.  Return to the main program window in wordpad by closing the ribbons.  You can either press escape repeatedly, if necessary, or you can press alt once.  Now, open the ribbons again with alt. 
Start right arrowing until you get to the application menu.
You will hear application menu and then something like button drop down grid.  Never mind drop down grid.  It's a description you don't have to worry about.  The important things are that you are on a button and at the application menu.  Press enter or the space bar to activate the button.  Activating the button opens the menu.  Start down arrowing. you will hear all the short cut commands necessary to open an item or take an action.  When you got to the menu item, you heard alt f.  When you open the menu and move through it, you will hear all the letters announced.  for example, if you down arrow to save as, you will hear alt f a.  that means that, when you are in the main program window, you open the menu as you always did, alt f, then type a.  Alt f opens the menau and a then opens save as.  Ribbon programs have one menu and you should look through it.  Many important and common commands and interfaces such as options may be there.  By options, I mean the kind of options interface you used to find in the tools menu.
 
Now the we have seen the menu, let's look at the ribbons structure some more.
To review, and add more information, as you have seen, you can move to the ribbon interface with alt.  Then right and left arrow, just as you would move from menu to menu. 
You can also move to a ribbon using alt and a letter.  So, alt h takes you to the home ribbon.  Alt v takes you to the view ribbon, etc.  Once you are on the ribbon you want to work with, tab to move forward through the items in a ribbon.  Shift tab to move back through the items.  So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow.
Ribbons are divided into categories which you will hear announced as you tab.  for example, in an e-mail program, a ribbon may have a category named respond.  You may hear this announced as respond tool bar.  As you tab, you will hear commands such as reply and forward in the respond category.  When you hear a category announced, don't tab until you hear everything spoken.  You will miss the first command in the category if you do.  I'm talking about working with an unfamiliar ribbon. 
there are often many more commands and items in a ribbon than in a menu.  So memorize command sequences for items you know you will use regularly. 
As I said, there are different categories in ribbons to help organize items.  You can quickly jump from category to category in a ribbon to help you see if there is a category you want to look through. 
Move to a ribbon in Wordpad.  For example, alt h for hhome or alt v for view.
Then repeatedly issue the command control right arrow to move forward from category to category and control left arrow to move back.  When you get to a category you want to hear the items in, start tabbing.  Of course, you can shift tab to move back. 
 
Open a ribbon in Wordpad and tab through it to see how it is organized by moving through it. 
Then use control right arrow to move by category and tab to see what is in a category. 
 
Commands such as control o, control n, control s, control r, etc. are mostly retained in programs
that use ribbons, though you won't hear them announced. If you don't already know them, you'll have to find them in ways such as by looking at a list of keyboard commands for the program.  Such lists are often available in the help for the program. If you already know the commands from having used an older version of the program, most or perhaps even all of the commands you know will work.  


Re: Options Please?

Gene
 

I don't know what the writer of the article was saying or had in mind.  Old versions of firefox have and will continue to be available but it makes no sense to use anything other than the ESR version at this time.  Anything you saw regarding Thunderbird doesn't apply.  I don't know if it matters, but I would suggest using the 32 bit version of the ESR program.  that ensures that you wont have problems with add ons that may only run in the 32 bit version.  Also, I suspect the 32 bit version may be at least a little less demanding on processor power, though I don't know that.  There is either nothing, or nothing that matters, that you can't do with the 32 bit ESR program than with the 64 bit ESR program. 
 
This has nothing to do with NVDA.  Download the program from Mozilla. 
Here is a download link for the American version. 

Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 7:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] Options Please?

Dear Group,

I am having help this evening in about 12 hours, to download and
install something to replace Firefox 57 as my processor cannot meet
the demand ot the new Quantum. That was supposed to read, of the new
Quantum.

I have a windows 7 machine.

I notice someone asked for NVDA 17.4, 32-bit version link to be sent
them. I have a 64-bit machine, but notice the link said Firefox 57
Thunderbird. Yet there was a number 52.4 somewhere in the email or
request. I understand about the ESR Version, or going with Firefox 56
as an option. However, I read an article stating that unless one
downloaded previous versions by November 10, they now have to resort
to the ESR Version; the article is by one Sarah Pulis. I don't recall
the publication title, but it comes from Australia online.

I live in the US and wonder is Thunderbird something NVDA produces
that comes loaded with a user-friendly version of Mozilla for blind
users working with windows computers pre Windows 10?

Should I go to the nvaccess.org link to download the ESR version or to
Mozilla? I did see the notice posted on October 31. A link was
provided.

Finally, is there a tutorial somewhere instructing blind users on
steps to downloading and installing a program to the computer via
keyboard?

Thanks for bearing with my lengthy message.

All the Best,


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Re: need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

Gene
 

This is a long message but I consider it important to answer such objections fully with the unending amount of negative comments and fear and dislike of ribbons.  People need encouragement, not discouragement to try ribbons with an oepned mind.  Unfortunately, most of what you hear almost everywhere is negative and my tutorial, which I sent recently to the list and which I'll send again in a separate message, demonstrates that if people are taught ribbons properly, most people will not fined ribbons to be the horror people portray them as.
 
The ribbons have categories such as respond in Windows Live Mail, for example.  You can move from category to category in a ribbon with control right arrow to move forward and control left arrow to move backward.  If you are looking for something, listening to the category titles as you move around the ribbon should tell you where it will likely be.  Where is forward likely to be?  In the respond category.  If ribbons were widely used, you would be accustomed to this system of organization.  it's just as logical as menus.  And ribbon programs have one menu which it is a good idea to look through very early in learning the program. 
 
You say menus are more intuitive than ribbons.  Then why is options in the tools menu?  Options aren't tools.  Tools are things you use to perform certain kinds of actions in programs.  Options are settings.  They may be preferences, but they are settings.  Why isn't options a submenu in settings?  But because you started using menus first and have used them for a long time, you consider such things to be intuitive.  Why do some programs have a settings submenu in the edit menu?  They have nothing to do with each other.  Again, it's what you are used to.  Why is compacting an e-mail data base in the file menu and not in the tools menu in Outlook Express?  %It's more a tool than file management, in my opinion, but you are used to it being there. 
 
There are slight disadvantages to ribbons from a blind user's perspective.  You don't hear things like control plus letter commands when looking around a ribbon.  For example, when in the respond category, if you hear reply, you don't hear control r announced, but control r is still available as a command.  That is a significant disadvantage and it could be and should be corrected.  But that is the fault of the designers and not inherent to ribbons.  It's the way ribbons are implemented.  The other minor disadvantage is that letter sequences are usually a bit longer if you use letter sequences to invoke a command.  For example, a ribbon sequence may be alt h f I a whereas a menu shortcut may be alt f r.  That's a minor inconvenience.
 
And, dislike ribbons or not, there may be a hint that designers of programs may be moving toward ribbon-like designs but not using ribbons themselves.  Look at the options dialog in the new Firefox.  It is designed in the same way a ribbon is, with faar fewer options to up and down arrow through in the list and far more items in the list you select to tab through.  And as you tab, you hear categories announced, because items are organized in those categories just as they are in ribbons.  And you hear categories announced as you tab around, just as in ribbons.  Is this a trend or just an isolated design aedoption?  I don't know but if you know about ribbons, the similarity is obvious and you know, by a bit of experimenting that the same commands to move by categories should be implemented by the designers as is used in ribbons, that is, control right and control left arrows.  It hasn't been implemented yet but those who want it to be implemented may wish to let the designers know.  And again, I wouldn't have even thought about this if I didn't know ribbons so knowing ribbons may help improve designs for everyone when ribbons aren't being used. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 4:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

Yes I too find the  ribbon not very  easy to use at all. Its not intuitive.
Everything may still be there and yes you can use keyboard shortcuts, but
when as often occurs you need to find some option you have no idea where it
might be, whereas in the classic menu its going to be in a common place and
its easy to swap places very very quickly, in ribbons its not that easy, its
a bit like a railway, where all the branch lines have branch lines but you
cannot see which branch is the one with your station on it and to get to
your station you need to go all the way back to your starting point to try
again.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA


hello gene and gene nz.
i myself, dont have problem for learning ribbons, but i realy hate use
ribbons and prefer classic menu.
everyone has different taiste and different favor.
many people like ribbons, many like classic menu.
many like interface of windows xp or seven like me and many want to be
upto date and experience new things.
for people like me who want classic and traditional technology, there
are some programs like ribbon disabler in newer windows and also one
program that i found called classic menu for office which is
commercial.
i believe that microsoft should consider our need and interest and
provide the way for lovers of classic technology and does not fource
us to accept the changes!
can you please send me your tutorial off list?
i am afraid losing emails between thousands of emails.
God bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you.

On 11/20/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Anyone can distribute or display the tutorial.
>
> If you want to label sections, that's fine.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Gene New Zealand
> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 7:18 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA
>
>
> Hi Gene
>
>
>
>
> I was just reading the emails on this topic. If you allow me i can paste
> your tutorial up on Accessibilitycentral.net so others in the community
> can
> access it at any time to learn how to use them. it can go on a separate
> page
> and have the headings called split buttons and how to use ribbons with
> nvda.
> it will probably be along the same lines unless you want to give those
> sections a title each. the page it will most probably come off is nvda
> tutorials for other programs page just under the Microsoft word tutorial.
>
>
>
>
> I was thinking along the lines of maybe doing a audio tutorial on using
> them
> which i can add to that page for other programs page. It would be a day or
> so before it goes up there.
>
>
>
>
> That would be your written one.
>
>
>
>
> I think i might have some thing written on the windows 10 page but am
> thinking of removing it any how.
>
>
>
>
> I will put the tutorial is written by ..... unless you want it left off.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gene nz
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/20/2017 10:25 AM, Gene wrote:
>
>   That is a different Gene.  I don't know if he put the tutorial I did on
> his site.  I don't restrict use of it in any way so it may be there.
> Also,
> I send it in e-mail messages and I never thought of giving it a title.  I
> just paste it into the message and send it where people want it.  So if
> people have placed it on web sites, I don't know what they may call it.
>
>   I'll send it in a following message.
>
>   Gene
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   Gene
>   ----- Original Message -----
>
>   From: Mary Otten
>   Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 3:17 PM
>   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>   Subject: Re: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA
>
>
>   Hi Jean,
>   Wasn’t that tutorial on your Accessibility central website? I actually
> went looking for yesterday, maybe I wasn’t in the right section, but I
> didn’t find it.
>   Mary
>
>
>
>
>   Sent from my iPhone
>
>   On Nov 19, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>
>
>     I doubt there is such an add on.  I haven't heard of one and a google
> search doesn't show one.  I don't know who you need it for or what
> teaching
> resources are available to the person in question but I would strongly
> recommend learning real ribbons.  Despite all the gnashing of teeth you
> hear, ribbons are not difficult.  they are just a different way of
> organizing an interface and everything is accessible.  I wrote a tutorial
> on
> ribbons that teaches their use with Wordpad since everyone has Wordpad.
> I'll send it if you are interested.
>
>     I also can find a link to an article that explains why virtual ribbons
> are actually inferior to real ribbons.
>
>     I wanty to make one point clearly.  It may be that there are people
> with
> conceptual disabilities who would have a hard time learning ribbons.  Most
> people shouldn't have particular difficulty and it should be assumed that
> people can learn them until experience shows that they have an
> unreasonable
> amount of difficulty.  If people were taught ribbons correctly, the
> ongoing
> resistance to them would be significantly reduced.
>
>     Gene
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     From: abdul muhamin
>     Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 1:48 PM
>     To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>     Subject: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA
>
>
>                   Hi guys. As a subject mentions, I need an NVDA addon
> that
> works like virtual ribben menues in jaws, so is there any addon available
> for NVDA? Thanks
>
>
>
>     regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
>     head of the content department at
>     www.blindHelp.net
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
> material
> at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
> Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
> NVDA
> screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
> location) is near to you please visit
> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
> People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
> please
> visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
> certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified
> individuals
> from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
> expert
> exam.
>


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Options Please?

David Russell
 

Dear Group,

I am having help this evening in about 12 hours, to download and
install something to replace Firefox 57 as my processor cannot meet
the demand ot the new Quantum. That was supposed to read, of the new
Quantum.

I have a windows 7 machine.

I notice someone asked for NVDA 17.4, 32-bit version link to be sent
them. I have a 64-bit machine, but notice the link said Firefox 57
Thunderbird. Yet there was a number 52.4 somewhere in the email or
request. I understand about the ESR Version, or going with Firefox 56
as an option. However, I read an article stating that unless one
downloaded previous versions by November 10, they now have to resort
to the ESR Version; the article is by one Sarah Pulis. I don't recall
the publication title, but it comes from Australia online.

I live in the US and wonder is Thunderbird something NVDA produces
that comes loaded with a user-friendly version of Mozilla for blind
users working with windows computers pre Windows 10?

Should I go to the nvaccess.org link to download the ESR version or to
Mozilla? I did see the notice posted on October 31. A link was
provided.

Finally, is there a tutorial somewhere instructing blind users on
steps to downloading and installing a program to the computer via
keyboard?

Thanks for bearing with my lengthy message.

All the Best,


--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
"chilah phanim" Make G-d smile!


Re: Office: why is it so slow with NVDA?

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But Narrator is slow in everything!
I've not tried Jaws, but I got the distinct feeling they were messing with some dll files to get the performance they do.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Devin Prater" <r.d.t.prater@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 4:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Office: why is it so slow with NVDA?


Oh, I have a threaded quad core CPU, 1 TB spinning drive, and 8 gigs of ram. But Narrator is slow with Office as well. The only Screen Reader that I know isn’t slow with Office is JAWS, and I’d rather not let the shark take the arm and a leg to buy it.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services for the Blind



On Nov 19, 2017, at 3:28 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

There a number of people who get slowness and a number who do not and this seems to be a bit of a mystery. The only thing I can advise is that you all get involved in the relevant github issues being created and hopefully some sense will emerge by looking at hardware and software involved. My gut feeling is that its the multicore processors that are suffering uneven loadings due to many parts of windows, including nvda being run in a single core and maxing it out. The multi processor issue has always been a problem as obviously many tasks rely on the output from others for their data and hence if its taking longer things will slow down. Its not just simply a case of lets make nvda 64 bit as we still have the dependent outcome issues.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Nika Tsiklauri" <ntsiklauri2@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Office: why is it so slow with NVDA?


I do have a latest office and latest NVDA. It also lacks there too. it
was the same on windows seven.



Re: Amazon.com in Firefox 57 and Google Chrome.

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Just to mention that in the old ESR version of Firefox the amazon department combo box still works in the RC.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Isige" <gwynn@tds.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 4:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] Amazon.com in Firefox 57 and Google Chrome.


I don't know if this is related to the Google Translate issue, but both in Firefox 57 and Chrome Version 62.0.3202.94 (Official Build) (64-bit), I'm seeing the same behavior, in NVDA 2017.4 RC1. The combo box to pick a department won't work. Steps to reproduce:


1. Go to www.amazon.com


2. Hit c.


3. Type something into the combo box to select a department, or try expanding it.


It appears to go into focus mode and do nothing. Sometimes it goes into the edit field.



Re: My Firefox 57 issue

Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
 

This is exactly what is happening here.



Em 19/11/2017 20:32, Sharni-Lee Ward escreveu:

I know people have mentioned having issues with Firefox 57. I turned off
automatic updates but although I tried to activate the Not Now option
yesterday, it still did the thing. The new Firefox is slower, but not so
much so that I can't manage. However, it has frozen twice on different
sites, slowing down the whole computer/NVDA's response time, and when I
finally get to the Windows Task Manager, there are four instances of
Firefox.exe. Has anyone else experienced this?



Re: need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

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Yes I too find the ribbon not very easy to use at all. Its not intuitive. Everything may still be there and yes you can use keyboard shortcuts, but when as often occurs you need to find some option you have no idea where it might be, whereas in the classic menu its going to be in a common place and its easy to swap places very very quickly, in ribbons its not that easy, its a bit like a railway, where all the branch lines have branch lines but you cannot see which branch is the one with your station on it and to get to your station you need to go all the way back to your starting point to try again.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA


hello gene and gene nz.
i myself, dont have problem for learning ribbons, but i realy hate use
ribbons and prefer classic menu.
everyone has different taiste and different favor.
many people like ribbons, many like classic menu.
many like interface of windows xp or seven like me and many want to be
upto date and experience new things.
for people like me who want classic and traditional technology, there
are some programs like ribbon disabler in newer windows and also one
program that i found called classic menu for office which is
commercial.
i believe that microsoft should consider our need and interest and
provide the way for lovers of classic technology and does not fource
us to accept the changes!
can you please send me your tutorial off list?
i am afraid losing emails between thousands of emails.
God bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you.

On 11/20/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Anyone can distribute or display the tutorial.

If you want to label sections, that's fine.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 7:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA


Hi Gene




I was just reading the emails on this topic. If you allow me i can paste
your tutorial up on Accessibilitycentral.net so others in the community can
access it at any time to learn how to use them. it can go on a separate page
and have the headings called split buttons and how to use ribbons with nvda.
it will probably be along the same lines unless you want to give those
sections a title each. the page it will most probably come off is nvda
tutorials for other programs page just under the Microsoft word tutorial.




I was thinking along the lines of maybe doing a audio tutorial on using them
which i can add to that page for other programs page. It would be a day or
so before it goes up there.




That would be your written one.




I think i might have some thing written on the windows 10 page but am
thinking of removing it any how.




I will put the tutorial is written by ..... unless you want it left off.







Gene nz









On 11/20/2017 10:25 AM, Gene wrote:

That is a different Gene. I don't know if he put the tutorial I did on
his site. I don't restrict use of it in any way so it may be there. Also,
I send it in e-mail messages and I never thought of giving it a title. I
just paste it into the message and send it where people want it. So if
people have placed it on web sites, I don't know what they may call it.

I'll send it in a following message.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 3:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA


Hi Jean,
Wasn’t that tutorial on your Accessibility central website? I actually
went looking for yesterday, maybe I wasn’t in the right section, but I
didn’t find it.
Mary




Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 19, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:


I doubt there is such an add on. I haven't heard of one and a google
search doesn't show one. I don't know who you need it for or what teaching
resources are available to the person in question but I would strongly
recommend learning real ribbons. Despite all the gnashing of teeth you
hear, ribbons are not difficult. they are just a different way of
organizing an interface and everything is accessible. I wrote a tutorial on
ribbons that teaches their use with Wordpad since everyone has Wordpad.
I'll send it if you are interested.

I also can find a link to an article that explains why virtual ribbons
are actually inferior to real ribbons.

I wanty to make one point clearly. It may be that there are people with
conceptual disabilities who would have a hard time learning ribbons. Most
people shouldn't have particular difficulty and it should be assumed that
people can learn them until experience shows that they have an unreasonable
amount of difficulty. If people were taught ribbons correctly, the ongoing
resistance to them would be significantly reduced.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: abdul muhamin
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 1:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA


Hi guys. As a subject mentions, I need an NVDA addon that
works like virtual ribben menues in jaws, so is there any addon available
for NVDA? Thanks



regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
www.blindHelp.net





--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

 

hello gene and gene nz.
i myself, dont have problem for learning ribbons, but i realy hate use
ribbons and prefer classic menu.
everyone has different taiste and different favor.
many people like ribbons, many like classic menu.
many like interface of windows xp or seven like me and many want to be
upto date and experience new things.
for people like me who want classic and traditional technology, there
are some programs like ribbon disabler in newer windows and also one
program that i found called classic menu for office which is
commercial.
i believe that microsoft should consider our need and interest and
provide the way for lovers of classic technology and does not fource
us to accept the changes!
can you please send me your tutorial off list?
i am afraid losing emails between thousands of emails.
God bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you.

On 11/20/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Anyone can distribute or display the tutorial.

If you want to label sections, that's fine.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 7:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA


Hi Gene




I was just reading the emails on this topic. If you allow me i can paste
your tutorial up on Accessibilitycentral.net so others in the community can
access it at any time to learn how to use them. it can go on a separate page
and have the headings called split buttons and how to use ribbons with nvda.
it will probably be along the same lines unless you want to give those
sections a title each. the page it will most probably come off is nvda
tutorials for other programs page just under the Microsoft word tutorial.




I was thinking along the lines of maybe doing a audio tutorial on using them
which i can add to that page for other programs page. It would be a day or
so before it goes up there.




That would be your written one.




I think i might have some thing written on the windows 10 page but am
thinking of removing it any how.




I will put the tutorial is written by ..... unless you want it left off.







Gene nz









On 11/20/2017 10:25 AM, Gene wrote:

That is a different Gene. I don't know if he put the tutorial I did on
his site. I don't restrict use of it in any way so it may be there. Also,
I send it in e-mail messages and I never thought of giving it a title. I
just paste it into the message and send it where people want it. So if
people have placed it on web sites, I don't know what they may call it.

I'll send it in a following message.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 3:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA


Hi Jean,
Wasn’t that tutorial on your Accessibility central website? I actually
went looking for yesterday, maybe I wasn’t in the right section, but I
didn’t find it.
Mary




Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 19, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:


I doubt there is such an add on. I haven't heard of one and a google
search doesn't show one. I don't know who you need it for or what teaching
resources are available to the person in question but I would strongly
recommend learning real ribbons. Despite all the gnashing of teeth you
hear, ribbons are not difficult. they are just a different way of
organizing an interface and everything is accessible. I wrote a tutorial on
ribbons that teaches their use with Wordpad since everyone has Wordpad.
I'll send it if you are interested.

I also can find a link to an article that explains why virtual ribbons
are actually inferior to real ribbons.

I wanty to make one point clearly. It may be that there are people with
conceptual disabilities who would have a hard time learning ribbons. Most
people shouldn't have particular difficulty and it should be assumed that
people can learn them until experience shows that they have an unreasonable
amount of difficulty. If people were taught ribbons correctly, the ongoing
resistance to them would be significantly reduced.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: abdul muhamin
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 1:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA


Hi guys. As a subject mentions, I need an NVDA addon that
works like virtual ribben menues in jaws, so is there any addon available
for NVDA? Thanks



regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
www.blindHelp.net





--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: Office: why is it so slow with NVDA?

Simone Dal Maso
 

Ok, but this is not acceptable, because we can-t say that NVDA is ok with office and when you use it you go into the lag/world.
I don-t know how to justify it, but I think this should be mentioned on main documentation.

Il 20/11/2017 05:05, Devin Prater ha scritto:
Oh, I have a threaded quad core CPU, 1 TB spinning drive, and 8 gigs of ram. But Narrator is slow with Office as well. The only Screen Reader that I know isn’t slow with Office is JAWS, and I’d rather not let the shark take the arm and a leg to buy it.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services for the Blind

On Nov 19, 2017, at 3:28 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io <mailto:bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>> wrote:

There a number of people who get slowness and a number who do not and this seems to be a bit of a mystery. The only thing I can advise is that you all get involved in the relevant github issues being created and hopefully some sense will emerge by looking at hardware and software involved. My gut feeling is that its the multicore processors that are suffering uneven loadings due to many parts of windows, including nvda being run in a single core and maxing it out. The multi processor issue has always been a problem as obviously many tasks rely on the output from others for their data and hence if  its taking longer things will slow down. Its not just simply a case of lets make nvda 64 bit as we still have the dependent outcome issues.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Nika Tsiklauri" <ntsiklauri2@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Office: why is it so slow with NVDA?


I do have a latest office and latest NVDA. It  also lacks there too.  it
was the same on windows seven.



Re: need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

Gene
 

Anyone can distribute or display the tutorial.
 
If you want to label sections, that's fine.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

Hi Gene


I was just reading the emails on this topic. If you allow me i can paste your tutorial up on Accessibilitycentral.net so others in the community can access it at any time to learn how to use them. it can go on a separate page and have the headings called split buttons and how to use ribbons with nvda. it will probably be along the same lines unless you want to give those sections a title each. the page it will most probably come off is nvda tutorials for other programs page just under the Microsoft word tutorial.


I was thinking along the lines of maybe doing a audio tutorial on using them which i can add to that page for other programs page. It would be a day or so before it goes up there.


That would be your written one.


I think i might have some thing written on the windows 10 page but am thinking of removing it any how.


I will put the tutorial is written by ..... unless you want it left off.



Gene nz




On 11/20/2017 10:25 AM, Gene wrote:
That is a different Gene.  I don't know if he put the tutorial I did on his site.  I don't restrict use of it in any way so it may be there.  Also, I send it in e-mail messages and I never thought of giving it a title.  I just paste it into the message and send it where people want it.  So if people have placed it on web sites, I don't know what they may call it. 
 
I'll send it in a following message.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

Hi Jean,
Wasn’t that tutorial on your Accessibility central website? I actually went looking for yesterday, maybe I wasn’t in the right section, but I didn’t find it.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 19, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I doubt there is such an add on.  I haven't heard of one and a google search doesn't show one.  I don't know who you need it for or what teaching resources are available to the person in question but I would strongly recommend learning real ribbons.  Despite all the gnashing of teeth you hear, ribbons are not difficult.  they are just a different way of organizing an interface and everything is accessible.  I wrote a tutorial on ribbons that teaches their use with Wordpad since everyone has Wordpad.  I'll send it if you are interested. 
 
I also can find a link to an article that explains why virtual ribbons are actually inferior to real ribbons.
 
I wanty to make one point clearly.  It may be that there are people with conceptual disabilities who would have a hard time learning ribbons.  Most people shouldn't have particular difficulty and it should be assumed that people can learn them until experience shows that they have an unreasonable amount of difficulty.  If people were taught ribbons correctly, the ongoing resistance to them would be significantly reduced.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 1:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

              Hi guys. As a subject mentions, I need an NVDA addon that works like virtual ribben menues in jaws, so is there any addon available for NVDA? Thanks

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
www.blindHelp.net

 


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Amazon.com in Firefox 57 and Google Chrome.

John Isige
 

I don't know if this is related to the Google Translate issue, but both in Firefox 57 and Chrome Version 62.0.3202.94 (Official Build) (64-bit), I'm seeing the same behavior, in NVDA 2017.4 RC1. The combo box to pick a department won't work. Steps to reproduce:


1. Go to www.amazon.com


2. Hit c.


3. Type something into the combo box to select a department, or try expanding it.


It appears to go into focus mode and do nothing. Sometimes it goes into the edit field.


Re: Office: why is it so slow with NVDA?

Devin Prater
 

Oh, I have a threaded quad core CPU, 1 TB spinning drive, and 8 gigs of ram. But Narrator is slow with Office as well. The only Screen Reader that I know isn’t slow with Office is JAWS, and I’d rather not let the shark take the arm and a leg to buy it.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services for the Blind



On Nov 19, 2017, at 3:28 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:

There a number of people who get slowness and a number who do not and this seems to be a bit of a mystery. The only thing I can advise is that you all get involved in the relevant github issues being created and hopefully some sense will emerge by looking at hardware and software involved. My gut feeling is that its the multicore processors that are suffering uneven loadings due to many parts of windows, including nvda being run in a single core and maxing it out. The multi processor issue has always been a problem as obviously many tasks rely on the output from others for their data and hence if  its taking longer things will slow down. Its not just simply a case of lets make nvda 64 bit as we still have the dependent outcome issues.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Nika Tsiklauri" <ntsiklauri2@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Office: why is it so slow with NVDA?


I do have a latest office and latest NVDA. It  also lacks there too.  it
was the same on windows seven.






Re: Creating a profile for a program

Quentin Christensen
 

Fantastic, great to hear Ann!

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Ann Byrne <annakb@...> wrote:
Worked like a charm!

thanks a lot,

Ann
At 05:41 PM 11/19/2017, you wrote:
Hi Ann,

To create a profile with no speech while you are in a particular program:

1. Ensure the program you want to create the profile for is running.
2. Press NVDA+n to open the NVDA menu
3. Press C to select "Configuration profiles"
4. Press alt+n to create a new profile
5. Type TT or whatever you like as the name of the profile.
6. Press tab once to "Use this profile for".
7. Press right arrow to move to "Current application TT" (or similar).
8. Press ENTER to create the profile.
9. Press NVDA+control+s to open the synthesizer dialog.
10. Press end to select "no speech".
11. Press ENTER to select that synthesizer.

Now, whenever this program is active, NVDA won't speak.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 6:02 AM, Ann Byrne <<mailto:annakb@...>annakb@...> wrote:
How do I create a profile to turn off NVDA speech for a self-voicing program?  In the buttons on the profile screen is 'trigger' and 'manual'.  I want the program to trigger turning speech off.

1.  Open the program (it is called TT).
2. Activate 'trigger'?
3. what do I do with the 'manual' button?
4. turn off speech with insert+s?

Then it isn't talking and what do I do next?

Rescue would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Ann







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

<http://www.nvaccess.org/>www.nvaccess.orgÂ
Facebook:Â <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>http://www.facebook.com/NVAccessÂ
Twitter: @NVAccessÂ








--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Creating a profile for a program

Ann Byrne
 

Worked like a charm!

thanks a lot,

Ann

At 05:41 PM 11/19/2017, you wrote:
Hi Ann,

To create a profile with no speech while you are in a particular program:

1. Ensure the program you want to create the profile for is running.
2. Press NVDA+n to open the NVDA menu
3. Press C to select "Configuration profiles"
4. Press alt+n to create a new profile
5. Type TT or whatever you like as the name of the profile.
6. Press tab once to "Use this profile for".
7. Press right arrow to move to "Current application TT" (or similar).
8. Press ENTER to create the profile.
9. Press NVDA+control+s to open the synthesizer dialog.
10. Press end to select "no speech".
11. Press ENTER to select that synthesizer.

Now, whenever this program is active, NVDA won't speak.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 6:02 AM, Ann Byrne <<mailto:annakb@sbcglobal.net>annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
How do I create a profile to turn off NVDA speech for a self-voicing program? In the buttons on the profile screen is 'trigger' and 'manual'. I want the program to trigger turning speech off.

1. Open the program (it is called TT).
2. Activate 'trigger'?
3. what do I do with the 'manual' button?
4. turn off speech with insert+s?

Then it isn't talking and what do I do next?

Rescue would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Ann







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

<http://www.nvaccess.org/>www.nvaccess.orgÂ
Facebook:Â <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>http://www.facebook.com/NVAccessÂ
Twitter: @NVAccessÂ


Re: nvda 2017.4RC1 and google chrome 62 latest google translate

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Josh,

I just had a bit of a look at the issue.  Once I install NVDA 2017.4rc1, I get the issue you mention.  I then tried a few older builds (as temporary versions) and couldn't replicate.  I then tried rc1 again and this time it works fine.  I suspect, it might be something that just behaves a bit oddly the first time the build is run.  Could you restart NVDA and confirm whether the issue is still present please?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Josh,

Did it work on NVDA 2017.3?  Just confirming that it is an issue with the RC build rather than something which has been there for awhile.

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 6:27 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

hi

I tried google translate with jaws2018 in google chrome. list boxes work fine and forms mode stays on. NVDA issue is with google translate when trying to choose a language, when you arrow or attempt arrowing through the pop up list box, NVDA forces you back into browse mode no matter what you do. I hope this little issue can be fixed for the final 2017.4 release. this is an nvda issue, because jaws and chromevox work fine with those list boxes on the google translate website.


Josh


-- 
sent with mozilla thunderbird




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Soulseek QT?

 

I think some folks have been able to get qt apps to work to a extent

using some accessible dlls and other stuff that people can get from the tap in radio folder?

I seemed this mentioned some where else and I used to have the zip file that some one zipped up a while back.  I have sense lost it but it did help in qt apps a bit like I said it made them work a bit better to a extent

On 11/19/2017 3:51 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey.
That's very interesting. You'd think then it would also work in windows 10.
Did you ever try running Soulseek QT in compatibility mode?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Holger
Fiallo
Sent: November 19, 2017 4:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

When I was using W7, yes.

-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 2:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

Hm, so wait, you got Soulseek QT to work on Windows 7? Not the NS client,
right? The nS is the older client; I am using it now on Windows 10 but it
has some problems, and hasn't been developed since probably the early days
of XP. Still, at least it runs and is reasonably accessible, I guess. I
would however like to use the current client if possible, because half the
time people can't seem to download from me even though I have a nice
connection, and the programme likes to disappear on me. Like, it will stay
in the task manager as a process but the window is nowhere ... it's not in
the taskbar or anything.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Holger
Fiallo
Sent: November 19, 2017 2:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

Did not work for me with jaws and W10. I was using it with W7 and work well.

I also attempted to make it work with NVDA current, jaws 2018 and no go. I
like the program but now is hard to use.

-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

Hey everyone.

I don't have much hope, but I wondered if anyone had success using this
programme with NVDA? I did install it when I used JAWS exclusively and could
not do a thing with it beyond the setup screen, which was accessible. It
uses some library that writes directly to the screen, I think, and JAWS at
least couldn't see a word beyond that point. But I feel like people who use
NVDA are perhaps more willing to experiment and try things out, and I
wondered if anyone here had managed to successfully use this?

Right now, I do run Soulseek NS occasionally. It works ... ok, but doesn't
always play nice with Windows 10, sometimes disappearing from the available
windows altogether (even though it is still listed in task manager as a
running process) and sometimes failing to start altogether, and I'm also not
really convinced it is indexing my files properly. Soulseek NS hasn't been
developed for probably ten years, so it'd be nice to get on board with QT,
though I guess it's pretty cool that NS still works at all.

I did find one or two forum posts about QT with screen-readers and it didn't
really seem like there was a lot of interest in making it accessible. But
those posts were from years ago, too, and sometimes I miss things with
google searches. Just thought it was worth a shot!

Cheers.
















.


Re: nvda 2017.4rc1 and thunderbird version 52.4.0 (32-bit)

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

hi thanks for doing that and i know have it.

On 11/19/2017 7:27 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
there you go.

https://download.mozilla.org/?product=thunderbird-57.0b1-SSL&os=win&lang=en-US

On 11/20/2017 9:22 AM, Casey wrote:
Hi can you send the way to down load this version please.




On 11/19/2017 5:58 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
Hi, Shaun! there is a beta version you may try it. the response for the nvda 2017.4 RC1 works fine and seemingly fast.

On 11/20/2017 3:48 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
What I want to know is when thunderbird will actually get a release, there hasn't been one since 52 and while I don't mind as such as I use no addons at all, I would really like to see some improvements eventually.

win7 works but still I don't always watch it.




On 20/11/2017 7:47 a.m., Lino Morales wrote:
Try T Bird 57 beta. Its fast.

On 11/18/2017 5:00 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

also in windows10 home 64bit latest updated windows10 the very latest without being on the insider build. NVDA is sluggish when composing emails in thunderbird. Its very sluggish. When I hit backspace or any of the arrow keys when composing or writing emails NVDA takes one whole entire second to give me speech feedback on where the cursor is at. But on the web in google chrome and firefox and in microsoft wordpad, notepad and so on NVDA is fast and snappy when arrowing around. Has anyone noticed this and can this cursor lag with NVDA please be fixed?


Josh


--
sent with mozilla thunderbird





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Casey


Re: nvda 2017.4rc1 and thunderbird version 52.4.0 (32-bit)

Robert Mendoza
 

On 11/20/2017 9:22 AM, Casey wrote:
Hi can you send the way to down load this version please.




On 11/19/2017 5:58 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
Hi, Shaun! there is a beta version you may try it. the response for the nvda 2017.4 RC1 works fine and seemingly fast.

On 11/20/2017 3:48 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
What I want to know is when thunderbird will actually get a release, there hasn't been one since 52 and while I don't mind as such as I use no addons at all, I would really like to see some improvements eventually.

win7 works but still I don't always watch it.




On 20/11/2017 7:47 a.m., Lino Morales wrote:
Try T Bird 57 beta. Its fast.

On 11/18/2017 5:00 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

also in windows10 home 64bit latest updated windows10 the very latest without being on the insider build. NVDA is sluggish when composing emails in thunderbird. Its very sluggish. When I hit backspace or any of the arrow keys when composing or writing emails NVDA takes one whole entire second to give me speech feedback on where the cursor is at. But on the web in google chrome and firefox and in microsoft wordpad, notepad and so on NVDA is fast and snappy when arrowing around. Has anyone noticed this and can this cursor lag with NVDA please be fixed?


Josh


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Re: nvda 2017.4rc1 and thunderbird version 52.4.0 (32-bit)

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi can you send the way to down load this version please.

On 11/19/2017 5:58 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
Hi, Shaun! there is a beta version you may try it. the response for the nvda 2017.4 RC1 works fine and seemingly fast.

On 11/20/2017 3:48 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
What I want to know is when thunderbird will actually get a release, there hasn't been one since 52 and while I don't mind as such as I use no addons at all, I would really like to see some improvements eventually.

win7 works but still I don't always watch it.




On 20/11/2017 7:47 a.m., Lino Morales wrote:
Try T Bird 57 beta. Its fast.

On 11/18/2017 5:00 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

also in windows10 home 64bit latest updated windows10 the very latest without being on the insider build. NVDA is sluggish when composing emails in thunderbird. Its very sluggish. When I hit backspace or any of the arrow keys when composing or writing emails NVDA takes one whole entire second to give me speech feedback on where the cursor is at. But on the web in google chrome and firefox and in microsoft wordpad, notepad and so on NVDA is fast and snappy when arrowing around. Has anyone noticed this and can this cursor lag with NVDA please be fixed?


Josh


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