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Re: firefox question

Darren Tomblin
 

i'm asking because some people have been saying on here that if the bit
versions are different the broswer won't work.

On 11/20/2017 6:50 PM, JM Casey wrote:
You have a choice whether you want the 64 or 32 bit version. If you completely remove your copy, there won't be anything to automatically update anyway, so you can just go to Mozilla and download the version of the browser you want.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Darren Tomblin
Sent: November 20, 2017 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox question

hi, I have a question asbout firefox. I currently have fiefox 56 32-bit running on a windows 10 64-bit computer. If I completely remove my current version and install a new copy will I get a 64-bit version.
i'm wondering this because I don't want to lose access to another browser since I can't get ie11 to work with nvda. thanks

--
73,
Darren Tomblin(KC9JJJ)







--
73,
Darren Tomblin(KC9JJJ)


Re: need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Brian


I just read your email and the tutorial you wrote using file explorer. could i add your tutorial to the other one which the other Gene had done. One was for word pad and yours for file eexplorer but will put both on the same page with a jump link. Also will be written who the tutorial is by as well unless you want it left off  if you let me.


It will give the person a idea  more that one might cover the other might not.



Gene nz



On 11/21/2017 12:14 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Not to take away anything from Gene's tutorial, which is excellent, but just to offer another.  I, like Gene, have been utterly discouraged by the constant complaining about the ribbon interface, a great deal of which is from individuals who have not even spent one full day trying to navigate the ribbons using any tutorial.  They really are menus, but laid out somewhat differently.   They are also not going away, ever, and have largely supplanted the menu structure in many programs, particularly on Windows.

In any case, if you'd like to look at another tutorial, download:   --
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1709, Build 16299  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


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Re: firefox question

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

You have a choice whether you want the 64 or 32 bit version. If you completely remove your copy, there won't be anything to automatically update anyway, so you can just go to Mozilla and download the version of the browser you want.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Darren Tomblin
Sent: November 20, 2017 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox question

hi, I have a question asbout firefox. I currently have fiefox 56 32-bit running on a windows 10 64-bit computer. If I completely remove my current version and install a new copy will I get a 64-bit version.
i'm wondering this because I don't want to lose access to another browser since I can't get ie11 to work with nvda. thanks

--
73,
Darren Tomblin(KC9JJJ)


Re: Soulseek QT?

 

I didn't receive anything in my junk folder

what were you trying to say?

Hank

On 11/20/2017 4:33 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Ah. I sent it after we spoke earlier about the emulator. Check your junk? crystallogic@ca.inter.net. Tha'ts me.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: November 20, 2017 1:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

no I didn't receive the private message about the apple


On 11/20/2017 11:29 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey Wolf.

I do not know anything about Tap In Radio, so I guess I don't have those .dlls. Would be nice to get this particular programme working in its current version rather than using something that's a decade (or maybe even more) old and a bit wobbly.

BTW did you get my private message about the Apple?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: November 19, 2017 9:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

I think some folks have been able to get qt apps to work to a extent

using some accessible dlls and other stuff that people can get from the tap in radio folder?

I seemed this mentioned some where else and I used to have the zip
file that some one zipped up a while back. I have sense lost it but
it did help in qt apps a bit like I said it made them work a bit
better to a extent





On 11/19/2017 3:51 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey.
That's very interesting. You'd think then it would also work in windows 10.
Did you ever try running Soulseek QT in compatibility mode?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Holger Fiallo
Sent: November 19, 2017 4:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

When I was using W7, yes.

-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 2:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

Hm, so wait, you got Soulseek QT to work on Windows 7? Not the NS
client, right? The nS is the older client; I am using it now on
Windows 10 but it has some problems, and hasn't been developed since
probably the early days of XP. Still, at least it runs and is
reasonably accessible, I guess. I would however like to use the
current client if possible, because half the time people can't seem
to download from me even though I have a nice connection, and the
programme likes to disappear on me. Like, it will stay in the task
manager as a process but the window is nowhere ... it's not in the taskbar or anything.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Holger Fiallo
Sent: November 19, 2017 2:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

Did not work for me with jaws and W10. I was using it with W7 and work well.

I also attempted to make it work with NVDA current, jaws 2018 and no
go. I like the program but now is hard to use.

-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

Hey everyone.

I don't have much hope, but I wondered if anyone had success using
this programme with NVDA? I did install it when I used JAWS
exclusively and could not do a thing with it beyond the setup screen,
which was accessible. It uses some library that writes directly to
the screen, I think, and JAWS at least couldn't see a word beyond
that point. But I feel like people who use NVDA are perhaps more
willing to experiment and try things out, and I wondered if anyone here had managed to successfully use this?

Right now, I do run Soulseek NS occasionally. It works ... ok, but
doesn't always play nice with Windows 10, sometimes disappearing from
the available windows altogether (even though it is still listed in
task manager as a running process) and sometimes failing to start
altogether, and I'm also not really convinced it is indexing my files
properly. Soulseek NS hasn't been developed for probably ten years,
so it'd be nice to get on board with QT, though I guess it's pretty cool that NS still works at all.

I did find one or two forum posts about QT with screen-readers and it
didn't really seem like there was a lot of interest in making it
accessible. But those posts were from years ago, too, and sometimes I
miss things with google searches. Just thought it was worth a shot!

Cheers.


















.









Re: nvda 2017.4rc1 and thunderbird version 52.4.0 (32-bit)

Jacob Kruger
 

I use the message menu, attachments sub-menu to save/open attachments easily enough, working with thunderbird 52.4  on my windows 10 64 bit fall creators machine, and working with either NVDA 2017.3, or latest RC of 2017.4?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017/11/20 23:56, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
anyone having problems with tb 5240 and attachments I can't get to the save button only using Narrator could I do this.

On 19/11/2017 23:58, Robert Mendoza wrote:
Hi, Shaun! there is a beta version you may try it. the response for the nvda 2017.4 RC1 works fine and seemingly fast.

On 11/20/2017 3:48 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
What I want to know is when thunderbird will actually get a release, there hasn't been one since 52 and while I don't mind as such as I use no addons at all, I would really like to see some improvements eventually.

win7 works but still I don't always watch it.




On 20/11/2017 7:47 a.m., Lino Morales wrote:
Try T Bird 57 beta. Its fast.

On 11/18/2017 5:00 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

also in windows10 home 64bit latest updated windows10 the very latest without being on the insider build. NVDA is sluggish when composing emails in thunderbird. Its very sluggish. When I hit backspace or any of the arrow keys when composing or writing emails NVDA takes one whole entire second to give me speech feedback on where the cursor is at. But on the web in google chrome and firefox and in microsoft wordpad, notepad and so on NVDA is fast and snappy when arrowing around. Has anyone noticed this and can this cursor lag with NVDA please be fixed?


Josh


--
sent with mozilla thunderbird






firefox question

Darren Tomblin
 

hi, I have a question asbout firefox. I currently have fiefox 56
32-bit running on a windows 10 64-bit computer. If I completely remove
my current version and install a new copy will I get a 64-bit version.
i'm wondering this because I don't want to lose access to another
browser since I can't get ie11 to work with nvda. thanks

--
73,
Darren Tomblin(KC9JJJ)


Re: Soulseek QT?

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Ah. I sent it after we spoke earlier about the emulator. Check your junk? crystallogic@ca.inter.net. Tha'ts me.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: November 20, 2017 1:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

no I didn't receive the private message about the apple


On 11/20/2017 11:29 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey Wolf.

I do not know anything about Tap In Radio, so I guess I don't have those .dlls. Would be nice to get this particular programme working in its current version rather than using something that's a decade (or maybe even more) old and a bit wobbly.

BTW did you get my private message about the Apple?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: November 19, 2017 9:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

I think some folks have been able to get qt apps to work to a extent

using some accessible dlls and other stuff that people can get from the tap in radio folder?

I seemed this mentioned some where else and I used to have the zip
file that some one zipped up a while back. I have sense lost it but
it did help in qt apps a bit like I said it made them work a bit
better to a extent





On 11/19/2017 3:51 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey.
That's very interesting. You'd think then it would also work in windows 10.
Did you ever try running Soulseek QT in compatibility mode?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Holger Fiallo
Sent: November 19, 2017 4:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

When I was using W7, yes.

-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 2:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

Hm, so wait, you got Soulseek QT to work on Windows 7? Not the NS
client, right? The nS is the older client; I am using it now on
Windows 10 but it has some problems, and hasn't been developed since
probably the early days of XP. Still, at least it runs and is
reasonably accessible, I guess. I would however like to use the
current client if possible, because half the time people can't seem
to download from me even though I have a nice connection, and the
programme likes to disappear on me. Like, it will stay in the task
manager as a process but the window is nowhere ... it's not in the taskbar or anything.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Holger Fiallo
Sent: November 19, 2017 2:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

Did not work for me with jaws and W10. I was using it with W7 and work well.

I also attempted to make it work with NVDA current, jaws 2018 and no
go. I like the program but now is hard to use.

-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Soulseek QT?

Hey everyone.

I don't have much hope, but I wondered if anyone had success using
this programme with NVDA? I did install it when I used JAWS
exclusively and could not do a thing with it beyond the setup screen,
which was accessible. It uses some library that writes directly to
the screen, I think, and JAWS at least couldn't see a word beyond
that point. But I feel like people who use NVDA are perhaps more
willing to experiment and try things out, and I wondered if anyone here had managed to successfully use this?

Right now, I do run Soulseek NS occasionally. It works ... ok, but
doesn't always play nice with Windows 10, sometimes disappearing from
the available windows altogether (even though it is still listed in
task manager as a running process) and sometimes failing to start
altogether, and I'm also not really convinced it is indexing my files
properly. Soulseek NS hasn't been developed for probably ten years,
so it'd be nice to get on board with QT, though I guess it's pretty cool that NS still works at all.

I did find one or two forum posts about QT with screen-readers and it
didn't really seem like there was a lot of interest in making it
accessible. But those posts were from years ago, too, and sometimes I
miss things with google searches. Just thought it was worth a shot!

Cheers.


















.






Re: Office: why is it so slow with NVDA?

Quentin Christensen
 

I haven't read all the other threads in the group, but can anyone having these issues please go into Office, get it to go sluggish (do you need to do anything?  Does it happen from the moment you open Word / Excel / whatever or does something seem to trigger it?)  Does it happen with small files / blank files or only large files?  And send me a log please?  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps

I appreciate it's really frustrating, but as others have noted, it's not happening for everyone (it's not happening for me, so I need you to tell me what it's doing), so we need to get as much info as possible from those affected.

Simone mentioned it was a big problem for the Italian community - could it be from having multiple languages installed?  Is anyone having the slowdown and they only have English installed?

Also, are there any tickets yet on GitHub? I just had a look and couldn't find any.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 7:17 AM, Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@...> wrote:
I agree as well. I’ll stick with the Mac until this issue is resolved, either by me downgrading to a 32-bit version of Office, or by NV-Access, or even Microsoft, with Narrator.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services for the Blind



On Nov 20, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:


I agree on that one.

On 20/11/2017 9:29 p.m., Simone Dal Maso wrote:
Ok, but this is not acceptable, because we can-t say that NVDA is ok with office and when you use it you go into the lag/world.
I don-t know how to justify it, but I think this should be mentioned on main documentation.


Il 20/11/2017 05:05, Devin Prater ha scritto:
Oh, I have a threaded quad core CPU, 1 TB spinning drive, and 8 gigs of ram. But Narrator is slow with Office as well. The only Screen Reader that I know isn’t slow with Office is JAWS, and I’d rather not let the shark take the arm and a leg to buy it.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services for the Blind



On Nov 19, 2017, at 3:28 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io <mailto:bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>> wrote:

There a number of people who get slowness and a number who do not and this seems to be a bit of a mystery. The only thing I can advise is that you all get involved in the relevant github issues being created and hopefully some sense will emerge by looking at hardware and software involved. My gut feeling is that its the multicore processors that are suffering uneven loadings due to many parts of windows, including nvda being run in a single core and maxing it out. The multi processor issue has always been a problem as obviously many tasks rely on the output from others for their data and hence if  its taking longer things will slow down. Its not just simply a case of lets make nvda 64 bit as we still have the dependent outcome issues.
Brian

bglists@... <mailto:bglists@....uk>
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Nika Tsiklauri" <ntsiklauri2@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Office: why is it so slow with NVDA?


I do have a latest office and latest NVDA. It  also lacks there too.  it
was the same on windows seven.


















--
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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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locked Re: off topic: my farewell message for at least ten days:

David Moore
 

I will just say:

I agree totally!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Pascal Lambert
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 6:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic: my farewell message for at least ten days:

 

Hi All,

I take exception with the message below sent by Ms. Zahra as it is pure propaganda that ignores historical facts.  I refrained from answering it as my reply would not have been pretty.

Pascal

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 2:28 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic: my farewell message for at least ten days:

 

Well be careful out there.

Brian

 

bglists@...

Sent via blueyonder.

Please address personal email to:-

briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----

From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 5:10 PM

Subject: [nvda] off topic: my farewell message for at least ten days:

 

 

> hello every one.

> two days later, we are going to the holy shrine of imams in iraq which

> i mentioned one of them who are ark of salvation and mercy for entire

> creation in my digital signiture.

> so, i cant access internet in these days.

> after my return, i am ready to help people again and also have Good

> news for you by grace of Allah and blessings of prophet Mohammad and

> his progeny (blessings of allah upon them!

> i dont forget praying for you.

> God bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you!

> till then, goodbye and God bless you all!

> --

> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.

> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.

> in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:

> indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.

> best website for studying islamic book in different languages

> www.al-islam.org

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


locked Re: off topic: my farewell message for at least ten days:

Pascal Lambert
 

Hi All,
I take exception with the message below sent by Ms. Zahra as it is pure propaganda that ignores historical facts. I refrained from answering it as my reply would not have been pretty.
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 2:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic: my farewell message for at least ten days:

Well be careful out there.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 5:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] off topic: my farewell message for at least ten days:


hello every one.
two days later, we are going to the holy shrine of imams in iraq which
i mentioned one of them who are ark of salvation and mercy for entire
creation in my digital signiture.
so, i cant access internet in these days.
after my return, i am ready to help people again and also have Good
news for you by grace of Allah and blessings of prophet Mohammad and
his progeny (blessings of allah upon them!
i dont forget praying for you.
God bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you!
till then, goodbye and God bless you all!

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org



Re: need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

 

Not to take away anything from Gene's tutorial, which is excellent, but just to offer another.  I, like Gene, have been utterly discouraged by the constant complaining about the ribbon interface, a great deal of which is from individuals who have not even spent one full day trying to navigate the ribbons using any tutorial.  They really are menus, but laid out somewhat differently.   They are also not going away, ever, and have largely supplanted the menu structure in many programs, particularly on Windows.

In any case, if you'd like to look at another tutorial, download:   --
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1709, Build 16299  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: nvda 2017.4rc1 and thunderbird version 52.4.0 (32-bit)

Kevin Cussick
 

anyone having problems with tb 5240 and attachments I can't get to the save button only using Narrator could I do this.

On 19/11/2017 23:58, Robert Mendoza wrote:
Hi, Shaun! there is a beta version you may try it. the response for the nvda 2017.4 RC1 works fine and seemingly fast.
On 11/20/2017 3:48 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
What I want to know is when thunderbird will actually get a release, there hasn't been one since 52 and while I don't mind as such as I use no addons at all, I would really like to see some improvements eventually.

win7 works but still I don't always watch it.




On 20/11/2017 7:47 a.m., Lino Morales wrote:
Try T Bird 57 beta. Its fast.

On 11/18/2017 5:00 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

also in windows10 home 64bit latest updated windows10 the very latest without being on the insider build. NVDA is sluggish when composing emails in thunderbird. Its very sluggish. When I hit backspace or any of the arrow keys when composing or writing emails NVDA takes one whole entire second to give me speech feedback on where the cursor is at. But on the web in google chrome and firefox and in microsoft wordpad, notepad and so on NVDA is fast and snappy when arrowing around. Has anyone noticed this and can this cursor lag with NVDA please be fixed?


Josh


--
sent with mozilla thunderbird



Re: need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

abdul muhamin
 

Thanks for the tutorial

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of the content department at
www.blindHelp.net

 

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 2:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

 

Hi guys

 

If you are interested I have just done a quick audio tutorial on navigating ribbons in word pad. Hopefully it gives you a rough idea on navigating the ribbons in word pad. It is the same idea for other parts of windows. there will also be another written tutorial from the other Gene going up to the website later on tonight.

I will let the list know when they are posted any how.

 

The page they will go to now which may make more sence is nvda tutorials learning the basics instead of nvda tutorials for other programs page.

 

The audio tutorial i will post now to the list and hopefully you can follow ok.

 

 

The link to the drop box account is https://www.dropbox.com/s/enl013uq5rwvxbo/navigating%20ribbons%20in%20wordpad.MP3?dl=0

Hopefully i covered what you need to know.

You will just need to know some of the basics of interacting with buttons etc.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 11/21/2017 3:57 AM, Gene wrote:

Here is the ribbon tutorial, below my signature.

 

Gene

 

I'll provide a brief tutorial based on what I wrote years ago of how to work with ribbons. 

 

I've added a little to it here.

 

I don't know how the organization of Windows has changed in Windows 10 but this description should allow you to look through the Windows ribbons, or any other ribbons, and see how things are organized. 

 

First, I'll discuss a structure found in later versions of Windows that you need to know about-- the split button. 
One thing you will see as you look around ribbons and in other places in Windows are split buttons. A split button often allows you to see more options than just the default action.  Let's take an example. 
Let's say you come across a split button that says shut down Windows.  If you press enter on that button, Windows will shut down.  That is the default action.  Split buttons often show more options if you either right arrow while on the button or down arrow.  As an example, if you are on the shut down split button, you can right arrow and a list of options will open.  the items in the list include sleep, hibernate, restart, and others.  You up or down arrow through the list or use the short cut commands you hear announced as you move through the list.  the letter shortcuts often take actions without pressing enter so be careful when using them, just as you are in menus. 

 

So, let's review.  You find a split button that says shut down.  If you press enter, the computer will shut down. If you right arrow, other options may be displayed.  Or if you down arrow, other options may be displayed.  A split button won't work with both methods.  One method, either right arrowing or down arrowing will do so if it can be done with the button.  Try both methods if you don't know which one might work.  If you are on a tool bar which extends across the screen from left to right, down arrowing will open additional options.  If you think about this, it makes sense.  If you are in a menu, down arrowing will move you to the next item in the menu.  So you right arrow on the split button to cause it to display more options.  In a tool bar that extends across the screen from left to right, right arrowing will move you to the next item in the tool bar.  So you down arrow when on the split button to cause it to display more options.  But some tool bars run up and down the screen, as menus do.  And at times, you may not be sure which way a structure extends on screen.  So, as I said, if you are not sure or don't know, try both methods of causing the split button to display more options.  Often, one of them will work. If you open the options a split button offers and don't want to work with them, arrow in the opposite direction to move out of them.  For example, if you right arrowed to open more options, left arrow. 
Some split buttons don't do anything when you right arrow or down arrow.  In that case, open them with alt down arrow.  Then tab through the additional options.  I've almost never worked in this way with split buttons but if you want to close a split button, try alt up arrow if you've used alt down arrow to open it.

 

Now, to ribbons themselves.

 

Regarding ribbons, much of the complaining about them is not warranted if you understand how they work and how to use short cut commands effectively and efficiently.  and I would strongly recommend against using the JAWS virtual menus, no matter what the JAWS training material says about ribbons being difficult to use.  the training material is just plain wrong and using virtual menus, you will be unnecessarily dependent on one screen-reader.  There are other disadvantages to using them which I won't go into here.

 

Try looking at ribbons and doing what is described below in wordpad.  Everyone with Windows 7 has Wordpad on their machine.  Wordpad provides a good environment to look at and practice working with ribbons.  

 

The essence of working with ribbons is this:
Press alt to move to the upper ribbon.
You will probably be on an item that says home tab. Items on the upper ribbon are announced as tabs such as home tab, view tab, etc. 
To see what ribbons are available, right or left arrow repeatedly to move through the ribbons.  Move in one
direction to move through all of them, just as you would to move through all the menus.

 

For this demonstration, just so we are all doing the same thing, move with the right arrow. When you get back to where you started, you can keep right arrowing to move through the items again, if you wish.  You can move through all the items as many times as you want. Or you can move with the left arrow whenever you want to move in the opposite direction.  

 

Stop on view.  Then start tabbing.  You will move through all items in what is called the lower ribbon that are in the view ribbon. 

 

In other words you tab to see the items in a ribbon once you move to it.  Tab moves you forward through the items, shift tab moves you backword.
So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow. 

 

Many items in the lower ribbon are buttons.  Use either the space bar or enter to activate the button. You may find a button that opens a menu and if you press enter or the space bar, you will then be in a menu.

 

Each time you move to an item, you will hear the short cut command to work with that item. 
But JAWS has a bug and you often won't.  To hear the short cut, use the command JAWS key tab.  If you are using the default JAWS key, it is either insert.

 

Try tabbing to an item in a Wordpad ribbon and using the command insert tab.  You will hear some extraneous information.  The last thing you will hear is the short cut sequence.  You can repeat the information by repeating the command as often as you want.

 

Let's look at an item which is usually called the application menu.  Return to the main program window in wordpad by closing the ribbons.  You can either press escape repeatedly, if necessary, or you can press alt once.  Now, open the ribbons again with alt. 
Start right arrowing until you get to the application menu.
You will hear application menu and then something like button drop down grid.  Never mind drop down grid.  It's a description you don't have to worry about.  The important things are that you are on a button and at the application menu.  Press enter or the space bar to activate the button.  Activating the button opens the menu.  Start down arrowing. you will hear all the short cut commands necessary to open an item or take an action.  When you got to the menu item, you heard alt f.  When you open the menu and move through it, you will hear all the letters announced.  for example, if you down arrow to save as, you will hear alt f a.  that means that, when you are in the main program window, you open the menu as you always did, alt f, then type a.  Alt f opens the menau and a then opens save as.  Ribbon programs have one menu and you should look through it.  Many important and common commands and interfaces such as options may be there.  By options, I mean the kind of options interface you used to find in the tools menu.

 

Now the we have seen the menu, let's look at the ribbons structure some more.
To review, and add more information, as you have seen, you can move to the ribbon interface with alt.  Then right and left arrow, just as you would move from menu to menu. 
You can also move to a ribbon using alt and a letter.  So, alt h takes you to the home ribbon.  Alt v takes you to the view ribbon, etc.  Once you are on the ribbon you want to work with, tab to move forward through the items in a ribbon.  Shift tab to move back through the items.  So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow.
Ribbons are divided into categories which you will hear announced as you tab.  for example, in an e-mail program, a ribbon may have a category named respond.  You may hear this announced as respond tool bar.  As you tab, you will hear commands such as reply and forward in the respond category.  When you hear a category announced, don't tab until you hear everything spoken.  You will miss the first command in the category if you do.  I'm talking about working with an unfamiliar ribbon. 
there are often many more commands and items in a ribbon than in a menu.  So memorize command sequences for items you know you will use regularly. 
As I said, there are different categories in ribbons to help organize items.  You can quickly jump from category to category in a ribbon to help you see if there is a category you want to look through. 
Move to a ribbon in Wordpad.  For example, alt h for hhome or alt v for view.
Then repeatedly issue the command control right arrow to move forward from category to category and control left arrow to move back.  When you get to a category you want to hear the items in, start tabbing.  Of course, you can shift tab to move back. 

 

Open a ribbon in Wordpad and tab through it to see how it is organized by moving through it. 
Then use control right arrow to move by category and tab to see what is in a category. 

 

Commands such as control o, control n, control s, control r, etc. are mostly retained in programs
that use ribbons, though you won't hear them announced. If you don't already know them, you'll have to find them in ways such as by looking at a list of keyboard commands for the program.  Such lists are often available in the help for the program. If you already know the commands from having used an older version of the program, most or perhaps even all of the commands you know will work.  

 

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Re: need a virtual ribben addon for NVDA

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi guys


If you are interested I have just done a quick audio tutorial on navigating ribbons in word pad. Hopefully it gives you a rough idea on navigating the ribbons in word pad. It is the same idea for other parts of windows. there will also be another written tutorial from the other Gene going up to the website later on tonight.

I will let the list know when they are posted any how.


The page they will go to now which may make more sence is nvda tutorials learning the basics instead of nvda tutorials for other programs page.


The audio tutorial i will post now to the list and hopefully you can follow ok.



The link to the drop box account is https://www.dropbox.com/s/enl013uq5rwvxbo/navigating%20ribbons%20in%20wordpad.MP3?dl=0

Hopefully i covered what you need to know.

You will just need to know some of the basics of interacting with buttons etc.


Gene nz



On 11/21/2017 3:57 AM, Gene wrote:
Here is the ribbon tutorial, below my signature.
 
Gene
 
I'll provide a brief tutorial based on what I wrote years ago of how to work with ribbons. 
 
I've added a little to it here.
 
I don't know how the organization of Windows has changed in Windows 10 but this description should allow you to look through the Windows ribbons, or any other ribbons, and see how things are organized. 
 
First, I'll discuss a structure found in later versions of Windows that you need to know about-- the split button. 
One thing you will see as you look around ribbons and in other places in Windows are split buttons. A split button often allows you to see more options than just the default action.  Let's take an example. 
Let's say you come across a split button that says shut down Windows.  If you press enter on that button, Windows will shut down.  That is the default action.  Split buttons often show more options if you either right arrow while on the button or down arrow.  As an example, if you are on the shut down split button, you can right arrow and a list of options will open.  the items in the list include sleep, hibernate, restart, and others.  You up or down arrow through the list or use the short cut commands you hear announced as you move through the list.  the letter shortcuts often take actions without pressing enter so be careful when using them, just as you are in menus. 
 
So, let's review.  You find a split button that says shut down.  If you press enter, the computer will shut down. If you right arrow, other options may be displayed.  Or if you down arrow, other options may be displayed.  A split button won't work with both methods.  One method, either right arrowing or down arrowing will do so if it can be done with the button.  Try both methods if you don't know which one might work.  If you are on a tool bar which extends across the screen from left to right, down arrowing will open additional options.  If you think about this, it makes sense.  If you are in a menu, down arrowing will move you to the next item in the menu.  So you right arrow on the split button to cause it to display more options.  In a tool bar that extends across the screen from left to right, right arrowing will move you to the next item in the tool bar.  So you down arrow when on the split button to cause it to display more options.  But some tool bars run up and down the screen, as menus do.  And at times, you may not be sure which way a structure extends on screen.  So, as I said, if you are not sure or don't know, try both methods of causing the split button to display more options.  Often, one of them will work. If you open the options a split button offers and don't want to work with them, arrow in the opposite direction to move out of them.  For example, if you right arrowed to open more options, left arrow. 
Some split buttons don't do anything when you right arrow or down arrow.  In that case, open them with alt down arrow.  Then tab through the additional options.  I've almost never worked in this way with split buttons but if you want to close a split button, try alt up arrow if you've used alt down arrow to open it.
 
Now, to ribbons themselves.
 
Regarding ribbons, much of the complaining about them is not warranted if you understand how they work and how to use short cut commands effectively and efficiently.  and I would strongly recommend against using the JAWS virtual menus, no matter what the JAWS training material says about ribbons being difficult to use.  the training material is just plain wrong and using virtual menus, you will be unnecessarily dependent on one screen-reader.  There are other disadvantages to using them which I won't go into here.
 
Try looking at ribbons and doing what is described below in wordpad.  Everyone with Windows 7 has Wordpad on their machine.  Wordpad provides a good environment to look at and practice working with ribbons.  
 
The essence of working with ribbons is this:
Press alt to move to the upper ribbon.
You will probably be on an item that says home tab. Items on the upper ribbon are announced as tabs such as home tab, view tab, etc. 
To see what ribbons are available, right or left arrow repeatedly to move through the ribbons.  Move in one
direction to move through all of them, just as you would to move through all the menus.
 
For this demonstration, just so we are all doing the same thing, move with the right arrow. When you get back to where you started, you can keep right arrowing to move through the items again, if you wish.  You can move through all the items as many times as you want. Or you can move with the left arrow whenever you want to move in the opposite direction.  
 
Stop on view.  Then start tabbing.  You will move through all items in what is called the lower ribbon that are in the view ribbon. 
 
In other words you tab to see the items in a ribbon once you move to it.  Tab moves you forward through the items, shift tab moves you backword.
So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow. 
 
Many items in the lower ribbon are buttons.  Use either the space bar or enter to activate the button. You may find a button that opens a menu and if you press enter or the space bar, you will then be in a menu.
 
Each time you move to an item, you will hear the short cut command to work with that item. 
But JAWS has a bug and you often won't.  To hear the short cut, use the command JAWS key tab.  If you are using the default JAWS key, it is either insert.
 
Try tabbing to an item in a Wordpad ribbon and using the command insert tab.  You will hear some extraneous information.  The last thing you will hear is the short cut sequence.  You can repeat the information by repeating the command as often as you want.
 
Let's look at an item which is usually called the application menu.  Return to the main program window in wordpad by closing the ribbons.  You can either press escape repeatedly, if necessary, or you can press alt once.  Now, open the ribbons again with alt. 
Start right arrowing until you get to the application menu.
You will hear application menu and then something like button drop down grid.  Never mind drop down grid.  It's a description you don't have to worry about.  The important things are that you are on a button and at the application menu.  Press enter or the space bar to activate the button.  Activating the button opens the menu.  Start down arrowing. you will hear all the short cut commands necessary to open an item or take an action.  When you got to the menu item, you heard alt f.  When you open the menu and move through it, you will hear all the letters announced.  for example, if you down arrow to save as, you will hear alt f a.  that means that, when you are in the main program window, you open the menu as you always did, alt f, then type a.  Alt f opens the menau and a then opens save as.  Ribbon programs have one menu and you should look through it.  Many important and common commands and interfaces such as options may be there.  By options, I mean the kind of options interface you used to find in the tools menu.
 
Now the we have seen the menu, let's look at the ribbons structure some more.
To review, and add more information, as you have seen, you can move to the ribbon interface with alt.  Then right and left arrow, just as you would move from menu to menu. 
You can also move to a ribbon using alt and a letter.  So, alt h takes you to the home ribbon.  Alt v takes you to the view ribbon, etc.  Once you are on the ribbon you want to work with, tab to move forward through the items in a ribbon.  Shift tab to move back through the items.  So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow.
Ribbons are divided into categories which you will hear announced as you tab.  for example, in an e-mail program, a ribbon may have a category named respond.  You may hear this announced as respond tool bar.  As you tab, you will hear commands such as reply and forward in the respond category.  When you hear a category announced, don't tab until you hear everything spoken.  You will miss the first command in the category if you do.  I'm talking about working with an unfamiliar ribbon. 
there are often many more commands and items in a ribbon than in a menu.  So memorize command sequences for items you know you will use regularly. 
As I said, there are different categories in ribbons to help organize items.  You can quickly jump from category to category in a ribbon to help you see if there is a category you want to look through. 
Move to a ribbon in Wordpad.  For example, alt h for hhome or alt v for view.
Then repeatedly issue the command control right arrow to move forward from category to category and control left arrow to move back.  When you get to a category you want to hear the items in, start tabbing.  Of course, you can shift tab to move back. 
 
Open a ribbon in Wordpad and tab through it to see how it is organized by moving through it. 
Then use control right arrow to move by category and tab to see what is in a category. 
 
Commands such as control o, control n, control s, control r, etc. are mostly retained in programs
that use ribbons, though you won't hear them announced. If you don't already know them, you'll have to find them in ways such as by looking at a list of keyboard commands for the program.  Such lists are often available in the help for the program. If you already know the commands from having used an older version of the program, most or perhaps even all of the commands you know will work.  

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Pivot tables in Excel

Rayn Darren
 

Hi Quentin,

Thanks for the response, unfortunately this did not work. I'm not creating the pivot table, but trying to read it. Any further suggestions?

Thanks,
Rayn

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Pivot tables in Excel

Hi Rayn,

The pivot table itself should be navigatable like other cells in Excel. Setting up the data for the pivot table uses a task pane which you can access via F6. You can then tab and arrow through the options to setup the data as needed. Microsoft have a basic tutorial on it here: https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Create-a-PivotTable-to-analyze-worksheet-data-A9A84538-BFE9-40A9-A8E9-F99134456576 Note where it talks about dragging and dropping fields, you can achieve the same by pressing the down arrow and selecting where you want to move something.

Slicers are a way of filtering data. Unfortunately these are currently not accessible. We do have an open issue on this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6605

You can still use the conventional filtering tool to filter data by moving to a column heading which has filtering enabled, press alt+down arrow, and select the options you want.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 8:37 AM, Rayn Darren <rayndarren@gmail.com> wrote:


Good afternoon all,



I’m hoping someone can help me with a major problem I’m having. Yesterday I received an excel sheet containing 3 pivot tables. The sheet was created specifically for me and a great deal of time and effort was put into it. I would really like to be able to use it. I know visually where the pivot tables and slicers are since the creator who is sighted sat with me as we tried to figure out how I could read it. The cursor was placed on the first table and the arrow keys were used to see if I was able to hear anything, this was unsuccessful . I was able to navigate to the actual table on the page starting at cell a6 and read both vertically and horizontally as usual however. I am using Excel 2010 and the latest version of NVDA. Any help would be greatly appreciated.



Thanks,

Sarah


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Re: NVDA progress beeps no longer working

Lisa P Geibel
 

Hi Gene,

Thanks for that shortcut. Just did it and hope this does work as just having that box checked in Object Presentation didn't do it. Will see tomorrow. Thanks.

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On 11/20/17 3:08 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


Try the following use the nvda key + letter U and cycle through until you hear it say beeps if that is what you want.


Actually if you go to object presentation with the following keys ctrl +nvda key + the letter o when you tab down the section also look for the one called Report background progress bars and check it.  Just above that option is where you can change it to beeps etc but iin the first part of the email gave the shortcut for you to do it.


hope this does the trick for you.


Gene nz



On 11/21/2017 8:42 AM, Lisa P Geibel wrote:
Hi,

We're running the latest stable build of NVDA on a Windows 10 machine. All was wonderful till we got the latest update and now, we get no progress beeps for activities we used to get them for with the older versions. Does anyone know anything about this and maybe how to fix it if possible? Everything appears to be checked in the menus that should be as we did look there already. Thanks.


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FireFox Links

David Russell
 

Hello Brian, Gene and others,

Thank you for your help with my Firefox issues, and for the group for
bearing with my consternation as I endeavor to figure out a
resolution. I could not tell the language in which the version Brian
sent was in, so did not download. I'm a little I suppose there is an
update in here that prevents me from running the install from
somewhere but obviously don't know the details. Now I understand a
friend's other extreme to not accept updates at all on her late
husband's computer, but that too, is coming with a price.

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Re: Firefox Links

 

and I am using the 64 bit version in win7 without to many issues except if using twitter and some sites can be a bit slow at times, a few windows have focusing issues but its not something that will stop my work.

The only thing I have an issue is with addon options some form fields and form controls I can see but not interact with them in or out of forms mode.

Its just about the only gripe I have.

I have a sound for downloads and bar noscript which I will wait for there are no issues at all.

The program is a bit sluggish but then I am using what most would concidder minimal memmory and I can't say its not been unstable at all so yeah its fine.

On 21/11/2017 9:27 a.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
I am using Firefox 57, 32-bit version, in a Windows10 machine without any problem...


Regards,


Rui Fontes



Às 20:24 de 20/11/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Hmmm does this matter if you are 64 bit anyway, should I go back to 32 bit then.




On 21/11/2017 8:26 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Not in my experience. The 64 bit version has some multicore routines that do not play well in an accessible environment. remember that nvda is32 bit itself.
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Subject: [nvda] Firefox Links


Hello Group,

Gene, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but pressing on the links
provided by you in both digests result in NVDA saying, Insecure
connection., just moments after enter key is pressed. I'm interested
in your recommend to download the 32-bit version of the ESR version,
though I have a 645  64-bit windows. My understanding is that one
should download the version that fits with their windows system
designation. Please say more about that when time permits.

The tutorial found from the American Foundation for the Blind website
is both a video and text version. I read the text version so I could
jot down in braille what to do.

Is alt r for run, no longer a used step in downloading things online? Thanks.


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Re: Firefox Links

Rui Fontes
 

I am using Firefox 57, 32-bit version, in a Windows10 machine without any problem...


Regards,


Rui Fontes



Às 20:24 de 20/11/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:

Hmmm does this matter if you are 64 bit anyway, should I go back to 32 bit then.




On 21/11/2017 8:26 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Not in my experience. The 64 bit version has some multicore routines that do not play well in an accessible environment. remember that nvda is32 bit itself.
Brian

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Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 3:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Links


Hello Group,

Gene, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but pressing on the links
provided by you in both digests result in NVDA saying, Insecure
connection., just moments after enter key is pressed. I'm interested
in your recommend to download the 32-bit version of the ESR version,
though I have a 645  64-bit windows. My understanding is that one
should download the version that fits with their windows system
designation. Please say more about that when time permits.

The tutorial found from the American Foundation for the Blind website
is both a video and text version. I read the text version so I could
jot down in braille what to do.

Is alt r for run, no longer a used step in downloading things online? Thanks.


-- 
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...
"chilah phanim" Make G-d smile!















Re: Firefox Links

 

Hmmm does this matter if you are 64 bit anyway, should I go back to 32 bit then.

On 21/11/2017 8:26 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Not in my experience. The 64 bit version has some multicore routines that do not play well in an accessible environment. remember that nvda is32 bit itself.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 3:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Links


Hello Group,

Gene, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but pressing on the links
provided by you in both digests result in NVDA saying, Insecure
connection., just moments after enter key is pressed. I'm interested
in your recommend to download the 32-bit version of the ESR version,
though I have a 645  64-bit windows. My understanding is that one
should download the version that fits with their windows system
designation. Please say more about that when time permits.

The tutorial found from the American Foundation for the Blind website
is both a video and text version. I read the text version so I could
jot down in braille what to do.

Is alt r for run, no longer a used step in downloading things online? Thanks.


--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
"chilah phanim" Make G-d smile!