----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] email reads as pain, no text shown in body #msftaccessibility


I don't have time to give a detailed answer now but I'll tell you how to work around the problem. If you have problems or questions, ask and I'll reply when I have more time later today. The essence is that you are reading mail as plaint text and Windows Live Mail, the newer version, won't read mail as plain text when using some screen-readers and opening the message.
If you show the reading pane, move to a message in the list, and tab once you can read it in the view pane. I prefer this method because it is faster than opening and closing messages. then, when finished, either tab twice to get back to the message list or shift tab once to get back to it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: larry k
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 12:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] email reads as pain, no text shown in body #msftaccessibility


using windows live mail any ideas? as to how to show text all the time?

On 24/11/2017 6:36 a.m., ely.r@comcast.net wrote:

First, I am relatively new to NVDA having worked with both WindowEyes and
JAWS. I have been a TVI for longer than it seems possible. At present, I
continue that teaching, but have started working with seniors, a group that
I am proud to say I am a member. NVDA is a real option for my age group as
many are no longer employed and don't qualify for many aspects of
rehabilitation services and many of whom are on fixed incomes that may
prevent them from affording other options.

I have been learning NVDA for eight months or so and find the transition
from other screen readers quite easy. However, I am stuck at the moment as
NVDA will simply not run.

I had used it several weeks ago and needed to get back to building skills. I
tried the usual things and finally uninstalled NVDA and reinstalled with the
newest version. The install appeared to go without a hitch and the default
voice spoke through the end of the process. Unfortunately, NVDA will still
not run even when activated from the program group directly. ,

I would love any next step suggestions to try and sort this out.
Many thanks,
Ric

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brice Mijares" <bricemijares@att.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Isn't it just plain webroot?

On 11/22/2017 11:51 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Hmm when I look up web rooter it gives me Canadian plumbers!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Hi, everyone,



I'm using narrator to write this message. I tried to update to nvda 2017.4
RC but when I tried to update to that version, something blocked it from
coming up. I called the microsoft disability line and they couldn't get it
to come up either. When Best Buys repaired my computer, they put on this
thing called web rooter or something like that. I don't know what to do.
They also installed C cleaner which I really didn't need. How do I allow web
rooter to unblock nvda so I can upgrade?



Thanks for your help in advance.







Rosemarie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brice Mijares" <bricemijares@att.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2017.4rc2 now available for testing

Before shutting my system down last night I manually installed the latest version of NVDA. This morning I booted my system and heard the E-speak welcome message at the login screen and nothing after that. I have NVDA set to start after boot up but it didn't work. I went into settings and it wasn't checked to start after boot up. Is this normal for your settings to change? Thanks.

using windows live mail  any ideas? as to how to show text all the time?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brice Mijares" <bricemijares@att.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2017.4rc2 now available for testing

Before shutting my system down last night I manually installed the latest version of NVDA. This morning I booted my system and heard the E-speak welcome message at the login screen and nothing after that. I have NVDA set to start after boot up but it didn't work. I went into settings and it wasn't checked to start after boot up. Is this normal for your settings to change? Thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich De Steno" <ironrock@verizon.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:30 PM
Subject: [nvda] Finding the "Add to Cart" Button on Amazon


Is there any way to find the "Add to Cart" button with NVDA on the
regular, not the accessible, Amazon web site? If so, how does one do this?

--
Rich De Steno

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: November-23-17 8:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2017.4rc2 now available for testing

Before shutting my system down last night I manually installed the latest version of NVDA. This morning I booted my system and heard the E-speak welcome message at the login screen and nothing after that. I have NVDA set to start after boot up but it didn't work. I went into settings and it wasn't checked to start after boot up. Is this normal for your settings to change? Thanks.

On 24/11/2017 5:03 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

No, several radio adverts are going on about cheap laptops using them in this black Friday sell off. They are after all just cut down older Pentium chips in reality. I'm not a great fan of some of the other chips like core duo and some of the cut down amds either.
To me these days with the overhead of a screenreader and the heavy use of graphics in software you need at least a full i3, and preferably  5 or better. 5 seems OK to me but less than 8 gig of ram tends to make it start getting jerky.
In many ways, its the fault of the software, as I have said many times, what really have we gained over the years from the function point of view, just prettier pictures and more storage and hence more need to find some way to back it all up!

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Governor staten" <govsta@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

For me, I'm not a fan of Celeron processors in anything or anywhere.



------------------------------------------------------------------------


On 11/23/2017 5:24 AM, Sally Kiebdaj wrote:

Hello guys,


I have had a chromebook for several years now and regularly use
chromevox with chrome browser on other platforms.


Mostly, I use it for google web applications but it connects to USB
storage and so I will also hook it to my portable hard drive for
working offline. Many of the native google apps do work offline on the
chromebook and then sync once you have an internet connection again.
There are also some apps specifically designed for offline use and
most chromebooks have SD card slots of varying capacity for expanding
storage.


For an idea of what is available, look at the chrome web store:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/category/apps


As others have stated, it does not run NVDA or any other windows
applications. That said, chromevox, the native screen reader, has
improved greatly over the years I have had the device and in its
latest iteration is quite convenient and in terms of web browsing key
layout fairly similar to NVDA.

I am not sure that it has audio editing software but it definitely
does have a basic audio player built in for offline use.

I would never have it as my primary computer but do enjoy using it for
travel, reading recipes in the kitchen, or really any other time that
I don't want to risk my more expensive windows or Mac machines.

do be careful to get one of the chromebooks with a fast processor or
the screen reader can lag too much for my patience. I regularly use
two other chromebooks owned by family and the initial load time for
the screen reader or responsiveness on complex websites is a bit too
laggy on those machines. Mine was one of the original ones offered to
the public and has held up brilliantly through OS updates. It is still
faster than the two other machines I mentioned which are much newer
but lower end in terms of hardware.
Hope this information helps a bit and feel free to write me off-list
with any more specific questions.

Cheers,
Sally
fiddle.pup@gmail.com
On 11/23/2017 3:41 AM, David Moore wrote:

Thanks Brian!

That is what I am seeing as well. I can use a lot of programs and do
a lot with my HP Stream laptop with just a 32 Gig SSD drive that
costs only $180.00

I have Win10 1709 on it, and I am only using 16 GB, and that is even
with JAWS and NVDA, VLC Media player, and many other programs. I use
the portable version of Firefox, and that works great along with
using Edge and IE 11 a little.

Have a great one!

David Moore

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*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] chromebook

Not really, its pretty limited as far as I can see as most storage is

through the cloud.

Chromevox is also a little clunky. Not sure considering the costs if
one of

these has much of a place in the market these days considering what
yu can

do on a cheap amazon Tablet or a low end windows laptop.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----

From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:03 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

I am curious,

I have read a lot about Chrome Books, and I still can’t figure out what

music player you can install on the machine, for example. Is all you
can use

are apps on the Internet like the Chrome apps like Google Docs, Google

sheets, Google Play, and so on.

Is it a computer that only works with Internet apps?

It sounds like you can have android apps on it, is that true?

I am just trying to get my hands around what you can actually have
installed

on the computer itself that you can work with off line! Is there a
version

of a music editor, for example you could install on the computer that
works

with the Chrome OS?

Thanks a lot.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dido Manolov

Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:58 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

Hi,

Chromebook is a laptop. It is running GoogleOS, not Windows. It runs

basically everything through the internet and the cloud services. You
cannot

run any programs for Windows or Apple.

Regards:

Dilian

Sent from my iPhone

On 22 Nov 2017, at 21:30, David <trailerdavid@hotmail.com> wrote:

Listers,

I am really not sure, to what extent this might be totally

off-topic. If

so, forebare with me, and contact me off-list.

I am contemplating getting a new device, which would replace my

recently

broken netbook. The device will be serving as a backup unit,

should my

main system get a flue, headache - or cause me to have such

diagnoses.

Smiles.

Today, I received an offer on something named Chromebook. I do

not > know

what it is, or what to expect from it. Is it even running

Windows? Or,

more importantly, is it by any means workable by a blind user? Can

it be

run by means of NVDA, or what kind of screen reader would it be

using?

Well, is it even a computer, or are we talking more like a mobile

device?

If any of you have some hands-on experience, or more technical

information of some sort - I would be greatly appreciating you >

dropping

me a note on the matter. I want to know what to order, before I

place

any order for the next computerized device. So please educate me.

Thanks alot,

.

This is a strange one as I pasted what was in that message and as I said got
a list of plumbers.

Your advice is what I'd do but from bitter experience, I always put in
writing that nothing should be added to a computer when it has to go back
for a repair or if it has to be, that it is disabled by default on return to
allow the user to tell what it is first. One cannot expect tech folk used to
dealing with the general public to appreciate the hassle inaccessible
screens can create in the absence of a sighted person. I often feel many
people assume we all have this sighted person on ice in our freezer which we
thaw out every time we need to tell what is going on in the sighted world.
 grin.
 I'd be very wary about using task manager as often security software
refuses to be terminated and gums up the whole machine at that point with
another of its inaccessible screens.
 Even uninstalling one, the classic is Avast, can be fraught with problems,
as it seems that many of them ban screenreaders from even accessing their
uninstallers!

It will be doubly hard if all the person has is Narrator to achieve the end
result, and if even narrator cannot get at the screens that does not bode
well for anything else.
Of course if the person has an I Phone, and has downloaded Seeing AI, then
people are telling me that the short text mode can read computer screens
very well.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc


>I would guess, as you did, that the issue is this web rooter.  To get to
> it, you can try:
> 1. Press alt+tab.  Hold down alt and keep tapping tab.  You should either
> find a "web rooter" window or similar, or eventually get back to the first
> window you had open.  Most anti-virus type programs don't have a window
> open so this won't necessarily find it, but it's the easiest first step.
>
> 2. Press WINDOWS+B to move the focus to the system tray (B for... because
> :)  I don't know, it's Microsoft's shortcut).  Next, press right arrow to
> move through the icons and see if you can find it there.  If you have
> "notification chevron" or "notification overflow" or similar, press up
> arrow, then use left arrow to move through those icons.
>
> When you find it in the system tray, press applications key to bring up a
> context menu then down arrow through that, alternatively try enter or
> space.
>
> Look for something like "Exit".
>
> Failing that, press control+shift+escape to bring up task manager and down
> arrow through the running programs to find it.  If you press tab and find
> a
> "more details" button.  Press enter to show more details.  When you find
> web rooter, you can press alt+e to end task (or context menu then find end
> task).  Be sure you are exiting the right app as this will force close it
> and it could have unintended consequences if you close the wrong thing.
>
> The other thing you might want to do, if you don't want this web rooter,
> is
> to open the start menu, type "add or remove programs" and see if you can
> find the program to uninstall.  Note it is a good idea to have an anti
> virus program of some sort running.  On Windows 10 I just use the built in
> defender, but there are third party ones which work as well.  At some
> point
> before uninstalling it, you might check and see if you can access the main
> program window or functions of this web rooter and see if you can access
> it.  If you can and you want to keep it, then you'll just need to figure
> out how to disable it while installing programs.  If it's not accessible,
> it's always worth shooting an email to the program developer to ask them
> to
> make it accessible.  Even if you aren't intending to keep it, your request
> might encourage them to make the program accessible for others (or for you
> down the track).
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <
> bglists@...> wrote:
>
>> Unless its what others are saying here, I cannot tell what your issue
>> might be unless you have been relegated to a normal user without any
>> admin
>> rights at all by the company.
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
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>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <
>> knitqueen2007@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:27 AM
>> Subject: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc
>>
>>
>> Hi, everyone,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm using narrator to write this message. I tried to update to nvda
>>> 2017.4
>>> RC but when I tried to update to that version, something blocked it from
>>> coming up. I called the microsoft disability line and they couldn't get
>>> it
>>> to come up either. When Best Buys repaired my computer, they put on this
>>> thing called web rooter or something like that. I don't know what to do.
>>> They also installed C cleaner which I really didn't need. How do I allow
>>> web
>>> rooter to unblock nvda so I can upgrade?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help in advance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

I would guess, as you did, that the issue is this web rooter. To get to
it, you can try:
1. Press alt+tab. Hold down alt and keep tapping tab. You should either
find a "web rooter" window or similar, or eventually get back to the first
window you had open. Most anti-virus type programs don't have a window
open so this won't necessarily find it, but it's the easiest first step.

2. Press WINDOWS+B to move the focus to the system tray (B for... because
:) I don't know, it's Microsoft's shortcut). Next, press right arrow to
move through the icons and see if you can find it there. If you have
"notification chevron" or "notification overflow" or similar, press up
arrow, then use left arrow to move through those icons.

When you find it in the system tray, press applications key to bring up a
context menu then down arrow through that, alternatively try enter or space.

Look for something like "Exit".

Failing that, press control+shift+escape to bring up task manager and down
arrow through the running programs to find it. If you press tab and find a
"more details" button. Press enter to show more details. When you find
web rooter, you can press alt+e to end task (or context menu then find end
task). Be sure you are exiting the right app as this will force close it
and it could have unintended consequences if you close the wrong thing.

The other thing you might want to do, if you don't want this web rooter, is
to open the start menu, type "add or remove programs" and see if you can
find the program to uninstall. Note it is a good idea to have an anti
virus program of some sort running. On Windows 10 I just use the built in
defender, but there are third party ones which work as well. At some point
before uninstalling it, you might check and see if you can access the main
program window or functions of this web rooter and see if you can access
it. If you can and you want to keep it, then you'll just need to figure
out how to disable it while installing programs. If it's not accessible,
it's always worth shooting an email to the program developer to ask them to
make it accessible. Even if you aren't intending to keep it, your request
might encourage them to make the program accessible for others (or for you
down the track).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <
bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Unless its what others are saying here, I cannot tell what your issue
might be unless you have been relegated to a normal user without any admin
rights at all by the company.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <
knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc


Hi, everyone,

I'm using narrator to write this message. I tried to update to nvda 2017.4
RC but when I tried to update to that version, something blocked it from
coming up. I called the microsoft disability line and they couldn't get it
to come up either. When Best Buys repaired my computer, they put on this
thing called web rooter or something like that. I don't know what to do.
They also installed C cleaner which I really didn't need. How do I allow
web
rooter to unblock nvda so I can upgrade?



Thanks for your help in advance.







Rosemarie

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

No, several radio adverts are going on about cheap laptops using them in this black Friday sell off. They are after all just cut down older Pentium chips in reality. I'm not a great fan of some of the other chips like core duo and some of the cut down amds either.
To me these days with the overhead of a screenreader and the heavy use of graphics in software you need at least a full i3, and preferably  5 or better. 5 seems OK to me but less than 8 gig of ram tends to make it start getting jerky.
In many ways, its the fault of the software, as I have said many times, what really have we gained over the years from the function point of view, just prettier pictures and more storage and hence more need to find some way to back it all up!

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Governor staten" <govsta@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

For me, I'm not a fan of Celeron processors in anything or anywhere.



------------------------------------------------------------------------


On 11/23/2017 5:24 AM, Sally Kiebdaj wrote:

Hello guys,


I have had a chromebook for several years now and regularly use
chromevox with chrome browser on other platforms.


Mostly, I use it for google web applications but it connects to USB
storage and so I will also hook it to my portable hard drive for
working offline. Many of the native google apps do work offline on the
chromebook and then sync once you have an internet connection again.
There are also some apps specifically designed for offline use and
most chromebooks have SD card slots of varying capacity for expanding
storage.


For an idea of what is available, look at the chrome web store:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/category/apps


As others have stated, it does not run NVDA or any other windows
applications. That said, chromevox, the native screen reader, has
improved greatly over the years I have had the device and in its
latest iteration is quite convenient and in terms of web browsing key
layout fairly similar to NVDA.

I am not sure that it has audio editing software but it definitely
does have a basic audio player built in for offline use.

I would never have it as my primary computer but do enjoy using it for
travel, reading recipes in the kitchen, or really any other time that
I don't want to risk my more expensive windows or Mac machines.

do be careful to get one of the chromebooks with a fast processor or
the screen reader can lag too much for my patience. I regularly use
two other chromebooks owned by family and the initial load time for
the screen reader or responsiveness on complex websites is a bit too
laggy on those machines. Mine was one of the original ones offered to
the public and has held up brilliantly through OS updates. It is still
faster than the two other machines I mentioned which are much newer
but lower end in terms of hardware.
Hope this information helps a bit and feel free to write me off-list
with any more specific questions.

Cheers,
Sally
fiddle.pup@...
On 11/23/2017 3:41 AM, David Moore wrote:

Thanks Brian!

That is what I am seeing as well. I can use a lot of programs and do
a lot with my HP Stream laptop with just a 32 Gig SSD drive that
costs only $180.00

I have Win10 1709 on it, and I am only using 16 GB, and that is even
with JAWS and NVDA, VLC Media player, and many other programs. I use
the portable version of Firefox, and that works great along with
using Edge and IE 11 a little.

Have a great one!

David Moore

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*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] chromebook

Not really, its pretty limited as far as I can see as most storage is

through the cloud.

Chromevox is also a little clunky. Not sure considering the costs if
one of

these has much of a place in the market these days considering what
yu can

do on a cheap amazon Tablet or a low end windows laptop.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----

From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:03 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

I am curious,

I have read a lot about Chrome Books, and I still can’t figure out what

music player you can install on the machine, for example. Is all you
can use

are apps on the Internet like the Chrome apps like Google Docs, Google

sheets, Google Play, and so on.

Is it a computer that only works with Internet apps?

It sounds like you can have android apps on it, is that true?

I am just trying to get my hands around what you can actually have
installed

on the computer itself that you can work with off line! Is there a
version

of a music editor, for example you could install on the computer that
works

with the Chrome OS?

Thanks a lot.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dido Manolov

Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:58 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

Hi,

Chromebook is a laptop. It is running GoogleOS, not Windows. It runs

basically everything through the internet and the cloud services. You
cannot

run any programs for Windows or Apple.

Regards:

Dilian

Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Nov 2017, at 21:30, David <trailerdavid@...> wrote:

>

> Listers,

> I am really not sure, to what extent this might be totally
off-topic. If

> so, forebare with me, and contact me off-list.

>

> I am contemplating getting a new device, which would replace my
recently

> broken netbook. The device will be serving as a backup unit, should my

> main system get a flue, headache - or cause me to have such diagnoses.

> Smiles.

>

> Today, I received an offer on something named Chromebook. I do not > know

> what it is, or what to expect from it. Is it even running Windows? Or,

> more importantly, is it by any means workable by a blind user? Can
it be

> run by means of NVDA, or what kind of screen reader would it be using?

> Well, is it even a computer, or are we talking more like a mobile
device?

>

> If any of you have some hands-on experience, or more technical

> information of some sort - I would be greatly appreciating you > dropping

> me a note on the matter. I want to know what to order, before I place

> any order for the next computerized device. So please educate me.

>

> Thanks alot,

>

>

>

On 11/22/2017 11:51 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Hmm when I look up web rooter it gives me Canadian plumbers!
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Hi, everyone,



I'm using narrator to write this message. I tried to update to nvda 2017.4
RC but when I tried to update to that version, something blocked it from
coming up. I called the microsoft disability line and they couldn't get it
to come up either. When Best Buys repaired my computer, they put on this
thing called web rooter or something like that. I don't know what to do.
They also installed C cleaner which I really didn't need. How do I allow web
rooter to unblock nvda so I can upgrade?



Thanks for your help in advance.







Rosemarie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Governor staten" <govsta@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

For me, I'm not a fan of Celeron processors in anything or anywhere.



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On 11/23/2017 5:24 AM, Sally Kiebdaj wrote:

Hello guys,


I have had a chromebook for several years now and regularly use
chromevox with chrome browser on other platforms.


Mostly, I use it for google web applications but it connects to USB
storage and so I will also hook it to my portable hard drive for
working offline. Many of the native google apps do work offline on the
chromebook and then sync once you have an internet connection again.
There are also some apps specifically designed for offline use and
most chromebooks have SD card slots of varying capacity for expanding
storage.


For an idea of what is available, look at the chrome web store:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/category/apps


As others have stated, it does not run NVDA or any other windows
applications. That said, chromevox, the native screen reader, has
improved greatly over the years I have had the device and in its
latest iteration is quite convenient and in terms of web browsing key
layout fairly similar to NVDA.

I am not sure that it has audio editing software but it definitely
does have a basic audio player built in for offline use.

I would never have it as my primary computer but do enjoy using it for
travel, reading recipes in the kitchen, or really any other time that
I don't want to risk my more expensive windows or Mac machines.

do be careful to get one of the chromebooks with a fast processor or
the screen reader can lag too much for my patience. I regularly use
two other chromebooks owned by family and the initial load time for
the screen reader or responsiveness on complex websites is a bit too
laggy on those machines. Mine was one of the original ones offered to
the public and has held up brilliantly through OS updates. It is still
faster than the two other machines I mentioned which are much newer
but lower end in terms of hardware.
Hope this information helps a bit and feel free to write me off-list
with any more specific questions.

Cheers,
Sally
fiddle.pup@gmail.com
On 11/23/2017 3:41 AM, David Moore wrote:

Thanks Brian!

That is what I am seeing as well. I can use a lot of programs and do
a lot with my HP Stream laptop with just a 32 Gig SSD drive that
costs only $180.00

I have Win10 1709 on it, and I am only using 16 GB, and that is even
with JAWS and NVDA, VLC Media player, and many other programs. I use
the portable version of Firefox, and that works great along with
using Edge and IE 11 a little.

Have a great one!

David Moore

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Windows 10

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*Subject: *Re: [nvda] chromebook

Not really, its pretty limited as far as I can see as most storage is

through the cloud.

Chromevox is also a little clunky. Not sure considering the costs if
one of

these has much of a place in the market these days considering what
yu can

do on a cheap amazon Tablet or a low end windows laptop.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----

From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:03 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

I am curious,

I have read a lot about Chrome Books, and I still can’t figure out what

music player you can install on the machine, for example. Is all you
can use

are apps on the Internet like the Chrome apps like Google Docs, Google

sheets, Google Play, and so on.

Is it a computer that only works with Internet apps?

It sounds like you can have android apps on it, is that true?

I am just trying to get my hands around what you can actually have
installed

on the computer itself that you can work with off line! Is there a
version

of a music editor, for example you could install on the computer that
works

with the Chrome OS?

Thanks a lot.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dido Manolov

Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:58 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

Hi,

Chromebook is a laptop. It is running GoogleOS, not Windows. It runs

basically everything through the internet and the cloud services. You
cannot

run any programs for Windows or Apple.

Regards:

Dilian

Sent from my iPhone

On 22 Nov 2017, at 21:30, David <trailerdavid@hotmail.com> wrote:

Listers,

I am really not sure, to what extent this might be totally

off-topic. If

so, forebare with me, and contact me off-list.

I am contemplating getting a new device, which would replace my

recently

broken netbook. The device will be serving as a backup unit, should my

main system get a flue, headache - or cause me to have such diagnoses.

Smiles.

Today, I received an offer on something named Chromebook. I do not know

what it is, or what to expect from it. Is it even running Windows? Or,

more importantly, is it by any means workable by a blind user? Can

it be

run by means of NVDA, or what kind of screen reader would it be using?

Well, is it even a computer, or are we talking more like a mobile

device?

If any of you have some hands-on experience, or more technical

information of some sort - I would be greatly appreciating you dropping

me a note on the matter. I want to know what to order, before I place

any order for the next computerized device. So please educate me.

Thanks alot,

Hello guys,

I have had a chromebook for several years now and regularly use chromevox with chrome browser on other platforms.

Mostly, I use it for google web applications but it connects to USB storage and so I will also hook it to my portable hard drive for working offline. Many of the native google apps do work offline on the chromebook and then sync once you have an internet connection again. There are also some apps specifically designed for offline use and most chromebooks have SD card slots of varying capacity for expanding storage. 

For an idea of what is available, look at the chrome web store: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/category/apps

As others have stated, it does not run NVDA or any other windows applications. That said, chromevox, the native screen reader, has improved greatly over the years I have had the device and in its latest iteration is quite convenient and in terms of web browsing key layout fairly similar to NVDA. 

I am not sure that it has audio editing software but it definitely does have a basic audio player built in for offline use.

I would never have it as my primary computer but do enjoy using it for travel, reading recipes in the kitchen, or really any other time that I don't want to risk my more expensive windows or Mac machines.

do be careful to get one of the chromebooks with a fast processor or the screen reader can lag too much for my patience. I regularly use two other chromebooks owned by family and the initial load time for the screen reader or responsiveness on complex websites is a bit too laggy on those machines. Mine was one of the original ones offered to the public and has held up brilliantly through OS updates. It is still faster than the two other machines I mentioned which are much newer but lower end in terms of hardware.
Hope this information helps a bit and feel free to write me off-list with any more specific questions.

Cheers,
Sally
fiddle.pup@...

On 11/23/2017 3:41 AM, David Moore wrote:

Thanks Brian!

That is what I am seeing as well. I can use a lot of programs and do a lot with my HP Stream laptop with just a 32 Gig SSD drive that costs only $180.00

I have Win10 1709 on it, and I am only using 16 GB, and that is even with JAWS and NVDA, VLC Media player, and many other programs. I use the portable version of Firefox, and that works great along with using Edge and IE 11 a little.

Have a great one!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

 

Not really, its pretty limited as far as I can see as most storage is

through the cloud.

Chromevox is also a little clunky. Not sure considering the costs if one of

these has much of a place in the market these days considering what yu can

do on a cheap amazon Tablet or a  low end windows laptop.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:03 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

 

 

I am curious,

I have read a lot about Chrome Books, and I still can’t figure out what

music player you can install on the machine, for example. Is all you can use

are apps on the Internet like the Chrome apps like Google Docs, Google

sheets, Google Play, and so on.

Is it a computer that only works with Internet apps?

It sounds like you can have android apps on it, is that true?

I am just trying to get my hands around what you can actually have installed

on the computer itself that you can work with off line! Is there a version

of a music editor, for example you could install on the computer that works

with the Chrome OS?

Thanks a lot.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Dido Manolov

Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:58 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

 

Hi,

Chromebook is a laptop. It is running GoogleOS, not Windows. It runs

basically everything through the internet and the cloud services. You cannot

run any programs for Windows or Apple.

Regards:

Dilian

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

> On 22 Nov 2017, at 21:30, David <trailerdavid@...> wrote:

> 

> Listers,

> I am really not sure, to what extent this might be totally off-topic. If

> so, forebare with me, and contact me off-list.

> 

> I am contemplating getting a new device, which would replace my recently

> broken netbook. The device will be serving as a backup unit, should my

> main system get a flue, headache - or cause me to have such diagnoses.

> Smiles.

> 

> Today, I received an offer on something named Chromebook. I do not know

> what it is, or what to expect from it. Is it even running Windows? Or,

> more importantly, is it by any means workable by a blind user? Can it be

> run by means of NVDA, or what kind of screen reader would it be using?

> Well, is it even a computer, or are we talking more like a mobile device?

> 

> If any of you have some hands-on experience, or more technical

> information of some sort - I would be greatly appreciating you dropping

> me a note on the matter. I want to know what to order, before I place

> any order for the next computerized device. So please educate me.

> 

> Thanks alot,

> 

> 

> 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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