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Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2017.4rc2 now available for testing

Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks Gene and Brice (& everyone).  We'll look into it and see if we can get to the bottom of it.

Quentin.

On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 7:51 AM, Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...> wrote:
Yes. thanks.

On 11/23/2017 12:41 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi


out of curiosity was this just after you upgraded from the rc1 version of nvda to the rc2 version of nvda? I had my settings saved to when i log onto windows but it unchecked it and was waiting to see if any one else had this happen to them.


to save your settings any how is the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter c.


It might be a bug that has just been introduced

Gene nz

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On 11/24/2017 5:43 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
Before shutting my system down last night I manually installed the latest version of NVDA. This morning I booted my system and heard the E-speak welcome message at the login screen and nothing after that. I have NVDA set to start after boot up but it didn't work. I went into settings and it wasn't checked to start after boot up. Is this normal for your settings to change? Thanks.




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Re: can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Kevin Cussick
 

I used to work helping other blind computer users get started. this program is a pest and you need to get rid of it I have had 2 systems with it on it and it caused no end of problems with nvda. I can't remember how hard it is to get rid of but try programs and features first.

On 23/11/2017 15:10, Gene wrote:
It's web root.
Gene
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Hmm when I look up web rooter it gives me Canadian plumbers!
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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@... <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

> Hi, everyone,
>
>
>
> I'm using narrator to write this message. I tried to update to nvda
2017.4
> RC but when I tried to update to that version, something blocked it from
> coming up. I called the microsoft disability line and they couldn't
get it
> to come up either. When Best Buys repaired my computer, they put on this
> thing called web rooter or something like that. I don't know what to do.
> They also installed C cleaner which I really didn't need. How do I allow
> web
> rooter to unblock nvda so I can upgrade?
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help in advance.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
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Re: NVDA will not start

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

This thread has gone on a couple of tangents, but just to pick up on the original poster's issue, with NVDA not starting, you can press NVDA+control+r three times quickly to reset NVDA to factory defaults.  (And still, every time I write that, I really want to add that you have to press those keys while saying "there's no place like home!" but I think you only need to do that in the limited edition "Oz" version of NVDA).


On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 7:36 AM, David <trailerdavid@...> wrote:
Sure, NVDA has come a long way. I started using it as a backup screen
reader several years ago. Considering what it can perform today, I do
agree it starts to come up on the side of the paid-for products.


As to your question of why it is, that people seem to think other screen
readers are superior, I do hold there should be a few reasons. One thing
is what they are being informed. The other is what they think, as one of
the listers already pointed out.


Still, NVDA will be but one out of the nearly ten screen readers I have
been in touch with, up through the years. I am still running Window-Eyes
as my main reader, and have started learning Jaws. Reason? NVDA simply
won't do in all the activity I am doing on the computer. It fails in
some of the programs I have running.


NVDA is a great product. It has saved me out of numerous situations,
when WinEyes locked up. It is fast, light on resources, and it is free
and hence available for all. Yet it has its drawbacks. Might i just
remind you of the discussion going on the very last days, about its
slowness and lacks in Office?


Point in summary: NVDA is a good alternative, and might be the right
thing for all users, who are using their computer for simple daily
activity. For a number of users, it will not be sufficient as a
only-kid-on-the-block product, but will serve as a perfect backup screen
reader, at moments when the main reader fails. And, for an indefinite
number of users, it simply will never get well enough, due to their
high-end computer usage.


Claiming that one screen reader is "the best", is never a good idea.
Till date, after more than thirty years of computer usage, I have yet
not seen the screen reader that would be fully superior in all cases. If
NVDA meets your requirements, expectations and needs, congratulations;
you are the winner. Others will have all good reasons to claim it does
not, and they will have choices in the market.


In additon, people might be operating in environments - like workplaces
- where they will have no choice, but to go for high-end screen readers.
Does your employer demand a certain software being used in their domain,
and this software takes high-end approaches in computer resources, NVDA
might not even be able to get to the info that will be needed.


To be even a bit more technical about the matter, NVDA can have add-ons
written to it, so as to get it more sufficed with a given software. Far
as I can understand, NVDA add-ons will have to be written in Python, and
not even the newest version of that language either. For your
comparison, WinEyes had scripting capabilities, that would allow the
developer of add-ons to be written in a long number of programming
languages. It even could combine blocks of coding, from different
languages. This would ensure a couple of things.


First of all, the developer could build his code on a platform familiar
to him. He was not forced to use one particular coding. In effect, you
would have more people available for programming, since you could have
people from all camps.


Secondly, if a developer needed a certain feature, or performance, he
could choose to yuse the programming language, that would give the
smoothest coding. We did see certain add-ons, written partially in
Python, and partially in VBScript. Some developers used AutoHotkey to do
parts of the add-on operation, since it gave the best performance,
lightest code, and widest set of features.


Now, why all that chatter about WinEyes and its scripting capacity?
After all, WinEyes is per definition dropped and gone for good. Well,
just to show you that one screen reader might be the better choice in
certain situations, while another screen reader will have the better
performance in other scenarios. Jaws, for one thing, has long time had a
far better pronunciation Dictionary built-in, than what was the case
with WinEyes. Still, I can openly admit, there are a handful of WinEyes
features -built-in and Add-Ons - that I will greatly miss, as none of
the other screen readers have been able to show up equal features.


Finally, may I take the opportunity to thank the developers of NVDA, for
all their endeavors. NVDA is a great product, that comes in handy quite
often. And as it continues to grow, chances are that it will become far
more full-fledged, as time and development moves on.


On 11/23/2017 8:37 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
> Hello Angela. I agree with you that NVDA is a great alternative to JAWS.
> There are organisations starting to embrace it.  To answer your question as
> to why people think that JAWS is the only option, it has to do with the fact
> a lot of them had not checked out NVDA, and they think, "well, if its free,
> it can't compare to JAWS. I really think that you'll start to see more
> organisations embracing NVDA in the long term. I come from both a JAWS and a
> Window-Eyes background. I started in 2000 using JAWS 3.5, then, in 2006, got
> my own copy of Window-Eyes and used that until 2017 before switching to NVDA
> and boy NVDA is indeed faster. Its even more faster on my SSD solid state
> hard drive that I have.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angela
> Delicata
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 11:30 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA will not start
>
> Hi,
>
> I finally decided to switch fromJaws to NVDA and find it so good: I wonder
> why people always think of Jaws as the only option and don't choose this
> great open source screen reader... It seems really fantastic!
>
> The good thing is: there are all commands available in the help menu, so
> every one can learn... And I think it does many many things: now it can be
> compared  to Jaws! It is even faster! The transition is smooth and have no
> problems at all.
>
> And I updated to the latest version with no particular nuisance.
>
> Thank you so much to the wonderful devs who make it better every day!
>
> Sorry for my terrible English, but I wanted to thank you those who put
> effort on what they do.
> Ciao
> Angela from Italy
>
> Il 23/11/2017 20:18, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:
>> have you tried to go to %appdata% and clobber the nvda folder?
>>
>> Maybe a mangled setting.
>>
>> I have had soundcards do bad things and need driver updates to.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 24/11/2017 6:36 a.m., ely.r@... wrote:
>>> First, I am relatively new to NVDA having worked with both WindowEyes
>>> and JAWS. I have been a TVI for longer than it seems possible. At
>>> present, I continue that teaching, but have started working with
>>> seniors, a group that I am proud to say I am a member. NVDA is a real
>>> option for my age group as many are no longer employed and don't
>>> qualify for many aspects of rehabilitation services and many of whom
>>> are on fixed incomes that may prevent them from affording other
>>> options.
>>>
>>> I have been learning NVDA for eight months or so and find the
>>> transition from other screen readers quite easy. However, I am stuck
>>> at the moment as NVDA will simply not run.
>>>
>>> I had used it several weeks ago and needed to get back to building
>>> skills. I tried the usual things and finally uninstalled NVDA and
>>> reinstalled with the newest version. The install appeared to go
>>> without a hitch and the default voice spoke through the end of the
>>> process. Unfortunately, NVDA will still not run even when activated
>>> from the program group directly. ,
>>>
>>> I would love any next step suggestions  to try and sort this out.
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Ric
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Questa email è stata esaminata alla ricerca di virus da AVG.
>> http://www.avg.com
>>
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Re: can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Quentin Christensen
 

Good points re trying to use task manager or uninstall to stop anti-virus programs.

The other question I had for Rosemarie, was that you mentioned you tried to upgrade to 2017.4rc1 but it didn't work and now you are using Narrator.  Does NVDA 2017.3 (or whichever version you were using before) now no longer work at all?

One other option for using NVDA, more as a one off, as I wouldn't want to do this all the time, is if you run the 2017.4rc1 (rc2 we're up to now) launcher, it should at least load NVDA to the point of getting you to the license agreement.  As long as it gets that far, you can either select "continue" or even just alt+tab away from the window and leave it there and it will stay running and working for you (or you could setup a portable copy from there you should be able to run later at least without the startup music and which will remember your settings).

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 6:45 AM, Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...> wrote:
I have some experience with the Geek Squad. They service my laptop a couple of years ago and once it came back, I had webroot on my system.






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Re: accessibility website?

Rayn Darren <rayndarren@...>
 

Good afternoon everyone,

Gene from NZ, I work for a hosting company with static prices for hosting and free domain names if you're interested in moving your site. Please contact me directly at rayndarren@... for further details. We have very reasonable prices paid either by month or by year. We offer technical support, website design and maintenance as well as ftp and database support. You may also load downloadable content if you wish. Anyone else that is interested or would like more information, please email me at the above listed address.

Thanks,
Rayn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 1:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility website?

Hi




I host the website on freehosting.com and as you say like rent the domain name that i pay for each year. they host for free but you pay for the domain name which goes up each year.




But apart from that yes i am the person who is writing tutorials etc for it with some tutorials that are by other people in the community which i host there 2 all in a central location.




Now and again i check for broken links etc. if i am alerted of any that are broken i try to fix them quickly when time is free..




Gene nz











On 11/24/2017 10:00 AM, The Wolf wrote:


that is the website I was talking about fore some reason I thought that you ran it?





On 11/23/2017 1:56 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:


hi




If you are talking about http://www.accessibilitycentral.net <http://www.accessibilitycentral.net>

I just checked or done a search for nvda tutorials and the page come up.




I think I might look more into either having the website hosted on a secondary web site a very cheap one maybe with a different extension or maybe while it is online have it so you can download it and put it onto a usb stick where there is no internet.




Only problem there most of the stuff is written but links to audio tutorials etc would break if they are external.




Food for thought.




You might not be meaning my website? any how if it is online.




Gene nz





On 11/24/2017 9:45 AM, The Wolf wrote:


Hello is your accessibility website back online?






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Re: nvda 2017.4rc1 and thunderbird version 52.4.0 (32-bit)

Kevin Cussick
 

I have used it years ago, but not for years so I do not know but don't see why it wouldn't work.

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What are your experiences with the portable version of Tbird?
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Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda 2017.4rc1 and thunderbird version 52.4.0 (32-bit)

Hi,   did the same but it did not read the save bit.   anyway fixed as did a reinstall and all is well now thanks.

On 20/11/2017 23:37, Jacob Kruger wrote:
I use the message menu, attachments sub-menu to save/open attachments easily enough, working with thunderbird 52.4 on my windows 10 64 bit fall creators machine, and working with either NVDA 2017.3, or latest RC of 2017.4?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
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On 2017/11/20 23:56, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
anyone having problems with tb 5240 and attachments I can't get to the save button only using Narrator could I do this.

On 19/11/2017 23:58, Robert Mendoza wrote:
Hi, Shaun! there is a beta version you may try it. the response for the nvda 2017.4 RC1 works fine and seemingly fast.

On 11/20/2017 3:48 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
What I want to know is when thunderbird will actually get a release, there hasn't been one since 52 and while I don't mind as such as I use no addons at all, I would really like to see some improvements eventually.

win7 works but still I don't always watch it.




On 20/11/2017 7:47 a.m., Lino Morales wrote:
Try T Bird 57 beta. Its fast.

On 11/18/2017 5:00 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

also in windows10 home 64bit latest updated windows10 the very latest without being on the insider build. NVDA is sluggish when composing emails in thunderbird. Its very sluggish. When I hit backspace or any of the arrow keys when composing or writing emails NVDA takes one whole entire second to give me speech feedback on where the cursor is at. But on the web in google chrome and firefox and in microsoft wordpad, notepad and so on NVDA is fast and snappy when arrowing around. Has anyone noticed this and can this cursor lag with NVDA please be fixed?


Josh


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Re: insecure login

Giles Turnbull
 

thanks for submiting that as an issue, Quentin :)


Re: accessibility website?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


By the way the website is not part of the project but a personal website that i have been putting together to help new people with nvda and also to the blindness community as that  who are newly loosing there vision.


it is not pretty but hopefully a help full resource.


Gene nz



On 11/24/2017 10:00 AM, The Wolf wrote:

that is the website I was talking about fore some reason I thought that you ran it?



On 11/23/2017 1:56 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

hi


If you are talking about http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

I just checked  or done a search for nvda tutorials and the page come up.


I think I might look more into either having the website  hosted on a secondary web site a very cheap one maybe with a different extension  or maybe while it is online have it so you can download it and put it onto a usb stick where there is no internet.


Only problem there most of the stuff is written but links to audio tutorials etc would break if they are external.


Food for thought.


You might not be meaning my website? any how if it is online.


Gene nz



On 11/24/2017 9:45 AM, The Wolf wrote:
Hello is your accessibility website back online?




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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: accessibility website?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I host the website on freehosting.com and as you say like rent the domain name that i pay for each year. they host for free but you pay for the domain name which goes up each year.


But apart from that yes i am the person who is writing tutorials etc for it with some tutorials that are by other people in the community which i host there 2 all in a central location.


Now and again i check for broken links etc. if i am alerted of any that are broken i try to fix them quickly when time is free..


Gene nz





On 11/24/2017 10:00 AM, The Wolf wrote:

that is the website I was talking about fore some reason I thought that you ran it?



On 11/23/2017 1:56 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

hi


If you are talking about http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

I just checked  or done a search for nvda tutorials and the page come up.


I think I might look more into either having the website  hosted on a secondary web site a very cheap one maybe with a different extension  or maybe while it is online have it so you can download it and put it onto a usb stick where there is no internet.


Only problem there most of the stuff is written but links to audio tutorials etc would break if they are external.


Food for thought.


You might not be meaning my website? any how if it is online.


Gene nz



On 11/24/2017 9:45 AM, The Wolf wrote:
Hello is your accessibility website back online?




--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: email reads as pain, no text shown in body #msftaccessibility

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

The panes can be a little annoying when you, say, tab into them by mistake. They used to slow down access, too; not sure that is really the case anymore. However, Microsoft at least maintains that the pane nowadays in Outlook is quite safe, as they restrict active content such as the kind that might run malicious code from a web page, or a Word macro. I guess it all depends on whether you find it convenient to leave it on. If so, just stick with the latest security updates. I know a lot of sighted people love this and would never consider turning it off. I have never found that they help screen-reader users, but you know, others may have different experience.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Sent: November 23, 2017 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] email reads as pain, no text shown in body #msftaccessibility

 

Leaving a View Pane open, means that in effect ALL mail messages are being opened, even before you have got the chance to determine if the message comes from a reliable source.

 

Though it might seem convenient, it has its definite cost. Opening a message from a malicious source, can serve as the very door opener for a virus or other malware. In other words, it is a clear-cut security risk.

 

I am not telling anyone what to do or not, simply just want to make you aware that you are running heavy risks, in leaving your door open this way. Even if you just scroll down the list of mail messages, they all are being opened as you scroll.

 

 

On 11/23/2017 8:13 PM, Gene wrote:

I don't have time to give a detailed answer now but I'll tell you how to work around the problem.  If you have problems or questions, ask and I'll reply when I have more time later today.  The essence is that you are reading mail as plaint text and Windows Live Mail, the newer version, won't read mail as plain text when using some screen-readers and opening the message. 

If you show the reading pane, move to a message in the list, and tab once you can read it in the view pane.  I prefer this method because it is faster than opening and closing messages.  then, when finished, either tab twice to get back to the message list or shift tab once to get back to it.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: larry k

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 12:10 PM

Subject: [nvda] email reads as pain, no text shown in body #msftaccessibility

 

using windows live mail  any ideas? as to how to show text all the time?

 


Re: accessibility website?

 

that is the website I was talking about fore some reason I thought that you ran it?



On 11/23/2017 1:56 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

hi


If you are talking about http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

I just checked  or done a search for nvda tutorials and the page come up.


I think I might look more into either having the website  hosted on a secondary web site a very cheap one maybe with a different extension  or maybe while it is online have it so you can download it and put it onto a usb stick where there is no internet.


Only problem there most of the stuff is written but links to audio tutorials etc would break if they are external.


Food for thought.


You might not be meaning my website? any how if it is online.


Gene nz



On 11/24/2017 9:45 AM, The Wolf wrote:
Hello is your accessibility website back online?




--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: accessibility website?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

hi


If you are talking about http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

I just checked  or done a search for nvda tutorials and the page come up.


I think I might look more into either having the website  hosted on a secondary web site a very cheap one maybe with a different extension  or maybe while it is online have it so you can download it and put it onto a usb stick where there is no internet.


Only problem there most of the stuff is written but links to audio tutorials etc would break if they are external.


Food for thought.


You might not be meaning my website? any how if it is online.


Gene nz



On 11/24/2017 9:45 AM, The Wolf wrote:
Hello is your accessibility website back online?




--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2017.4rc2 now available for testing

Brice Mijares
 

Yes. thanks.

On 11/23/2017 12:41 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi
out of curiosity was this just after you upgraded from the rc1 version of nvda to the rc2 version of nvda? I had my settings saved to when i log onto windows but it unchecked it and was waiting to see if any one else had this happen to them.
to save your settings any how is the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter c.
It might be a bug that has just been introduced
Gene nz
?
On 11/24/2017 5:43 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
Before shutting my system down last night I manually installed the latest version of NVDA. This morning I booted my system and heard the E-speak welcome message at the login screen and nothing after that. I have NVDA set to start after boot up but it didn't work. I went into settings and it wasn't checked to start after boot up. Is this normal for your settings to change? Thanks.


--
Image NVDA certified expert
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


accessibility website?

 

Hello is your accessibility website back online?


Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2017.4rc2 now available for testing

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


out of curiosity was this just after you upgraded from the rc1 version of nvda to the rc2 version of nvda? I had my settings saved to when i log onto windows but it unchecked it and was waiting to see if any one else had this happen to them.


to save your settings any how is the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter c.


It might be a bug that has just been introduced

Gene nz

?


On 11/24/2017 5:43 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
Before shutting my system down last night I manually installed the latest version of NVDA. This morning I booted my system and heard the E-speak welcome message at the login screen and nothing after that. I have NVDA set to start after boot up but it didn't work. I went into settings and it wasn't checked to start after boot up. Is this normal for your settings to change? Thanks.




--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: NVDA will not start

David <trailerdavid@...>
 

Sure, NVDA has come a long way. I started using it as a backup screen
reader several years ago. Considering what it can perform today, I do
agree it starts to come up on the side of the paid-for products.


As to your question of why it is, that people seem to think other screen
readers are superior, I do hold there should be a few reasons. One thing
is what they are being informed. The other is what they think, as one of
the listers already pointed out.


Still, NVDA will be but one out of the nearly ten screen readers I have
been in touch with, up through the years. I am still running Window-Eyes
as my main reader, and have started learning Jaws. Reason? NVDA simply
won't do in all the activity I am doing on the computer. It fails in
some of the programs I have running.


NVDA is a great product. It has saved me out of numerous situations,
when WinEyes locked up. It is fast, light on resources, and it is free
and hence available for all. Yet it has its drawbacks. Might i just
remind you of the discussion going on the very last days, about its
slowness and lacks in Office?


Point in summary: NVDA is a good alternative, and might be the right
thing for all users, who are using their computer for simple daily
activity. For a number of users, it will not be sufficient as a
only-kid-on-the-block product, but will serve as a perfect backup screen
reader, at moments when the main reader fails. And, for an indefinite
number of users, it simply will never get well enough, due to their
high-end computer usage.


Claiming that one screen reader is "the best", is never a good idea.
Till date, after more than thirty years of computer usage, I have yet
not seen the screen reader that would be fully superior in all cases. If
NVDA meets your requirements, expectations and needs, congratulations;
you are the winner. Others will have all good reasons to claim it does
not, and they will have choices in the market.


In additon, people might be operating in environments - like workplaces
- where they will have no choice, but to go for high-end screen readers.
Does your employer demand a certain software being used in their domain,
and this software takes high-end approaches in computer resources, NVDA
might not even be able to get to the info that will be needed.


To be even a bit more technical about the matter, NVDA can have add-ons
written to it, so as to get it more sufficed with a given software. Far
as I can understand, NVDA add-ons will have to be written in Python, and
not even the newest version of that language either. For your
comparison, WinEyes had scripting capabilities, that would allow the
developer of add-ons to be written in a long number of programming
languages. It even could combine blocks of coding, from different
languages. This would ensure a couple of things.


First of all, the developer could build his code on a platform familiar
to him. He was not forced to use one particular coding. In effect, you
would have more people available for programming, since you could have
people from all camps.


Secondly, if a developer needed a certain feature, or performance, he
could choose to yuse the programming language, that would give the
smoothest coding. We did see certain add-ons, written partially in
Python, and partially in VBScript. Some developers used AutoHotkey to do
parts of the add-on operation, since it gave the best performance,
lightest code, and widest set of features.


Now, why all that chatter about WinEyes and its scripting capacity?
After all, WinEyes is per definition dropped and gone for good. Well,
just to show you that one screen reader might be the better choice in
certain situations, while another screen reader will have the better
performance in other scenarios. Jaws, for one thing, has long time had a
far better pronunciation Dictionary built-in, than what was the case
with WinEyes. Still, I can openly admit, there are a handful of WinEyes
features -built-in and Add-Ons - that I will greatly miss, as none of
the other screen readers have been able to show up equal features.


Finally, may I take the opportunity to thank the developers of NVDA, for
all their endeavors. NVDA is a great product, that comes in handy quite
often. And as it continues to grow, chances are that it will become far
more full-fledged, as time and development moves on.

On 11/23/2017 8:37 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello Angela. I agree with you that NVDA is a great alternative to JAWS.
There are organisations starting to embrace it. To answer your question as
to why people think that JAWS is the only option, it has to do with the fact
a lot of them had not checked out NVDA, and they think, "well, if its free,
it can't compare to JAWS. I really think that you'll start to see more
organisations embracing NVDA in the long term. I come from both a JAWS and a
Window-Eyes background. I started in 2000 using JAWS 3.5, then, in 2006, got
my own copy of Window-Eyes and used that until 2017 before switching to NVDA
and boy NVDA is indeed faster. Its even more faster on my SSD solid state
hard drive that I have.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angela
Delicata
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 11:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA will not start

Hi,

I finally decided to switch fromJaws to NVDA and find it so good: I wonder
why people always think of Jaws as the only option and don't choose this
great open source screen reader... It seems really fantastic!

The good thing is: there are all commands available in the help menu, so
every one can learn... And I think it does many many things: now it can be
compared  to Jaws! It is even faster! The transition is smooth and have no
problems at all.

And I updated to the latest version with no particular nuisance.

Thank you so much to the wonderful devs who make it better every day!

Sorry for my terrible English, but I wanted to thank you those who put
effort on what they do.
Ciao
Angela from Italy

Il 23/11/2017 20:18, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:
have you tried to go to %appdata% and clobber the nvda folder?

Maybe a mangled setting.

I have had soundcards do bad things and need driver updates to.




On 24/11/2017 6:36 a.m., ely.r@... wrote:
First, I am relatively new to NVDA having worked with both WindowEyes
and JAWS. I have been a TVI for longer than it seems possible. At
present, I continue that teaching, but have started working with
seniors, a group that I am proud to say I am a member. NVDA is a real
option for my age group as many are no longer employed and don't
qualify for many aspects of rehabilitation services and many of whom
are on fixed incomes that may prevent them from affording other
options.

I have been learning NVDA for eight months or so and find the
transition from other screen readers quite easy. However, I am stuck
at the moment as NVDA will simply not run.

I had used it several weeks ago and needed to get back to building
skills. I tried the usual things and finally uninstalled NVDA and
reinstalled with the newest version. The install appeared to go
without a hitch and the default voice spoke through the end of the
process. Unfortunately, NVDA will still not run even when activated
from the program group directly. ,

I would love any next step suggestions  to try and sort this out.
Many thanks,
Ric



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.


Re: NVDA will not start

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I think also since you can also now buy training material to learn nvda word etc and more to come the blind foundations around the world are starting to take a closer look.


it also means they do not have to do any of that side of it like making up tutorials etc that i have seen from time to time from our adaptive tech people.



I love the idea that i can have as many copies of it and not limited. Plus some people the price of some of the sma for them in american dollars may not be 2 bad but in some other countries etc it is a fortune. Let alone the price to buy it.


Not sure if you sus out the amount of people that access the net every day with nvda but i have seen it over 45.000 people using nvda. But if there is no internet access or have the update feature turned off there may be even more.Check out the number of user here in the world at http://community.nvda-project.org/usersByCountry.html

I know here in new zealand if you check out our numbers it might say a max of 115 or some thing today but i know for a fact there are 750 extra copies on our library network that are turned off for updates. But they still upgrade it to the latest each year.


I know when i get the chance i also have when i send out emails say a link to the project in my signature and every 3 months say about the release of nvda on our telephone information service to the blind and email groups that i am on.


Word of mouth etc people are finding out.


Gene nz





On 11/24/2017 8:30 AM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I finally decided to switch fromJaws to NVDA and find it so good: I wonder why people always think of Jaws as the only option and don't choose this great open source screen reader... It seems really fantastic!

The good thing is: there are all commands available in the help menu, so every one can learn... And I think it does many many things: now it can be compared  to Jaws! It is even faster! The transition is smooth and have no problems at all.

And I updated to the latest version with no particular nuisance.

Thank you so much to the wonderful devs who make it better every day!

Sorry for my terrible English, but I wanted to thank you those who put effort on what they do.
Ciao
Angela from Italy

Il 23/11/2017 20:18, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:
have you tried to go to %appdata% and clobber the nvda folder?

Maybe a mangled setting.

I have had soundcards do bad things and need driver updates to.




On 24/11/2017 6:36 a.m., ely.r@... wrote:
First, I am relatively new to NVDA having worked with both WindowEyes and
JAWS. I have been a TVI for longer than it seems possible. At present, I
continue that teaching, but have started working with seniors, a group that
I am proud to say I am a member. NVDA is a real option for my age group as
many are no longer employed and don't qualify for many aspects of
rehabilitation services and many of whom are on fixed incomes that may
prevent them from affording other options.

I have been learning NVDA for eight months or so and find the transition
from other screen readers quite easy. However, I am stuck at the moment as
NVDA will simply not run.

I had used it several weeks ago and needed to get back to building skills. I
tried the usual things and finally uninstalled NVDA and reinstalled with the
newest version. The install appeared to go without a hitch and the default
voice spoke through the end of the process. Unfortunately, NVDA will still
not run even when activated from the program group directly. ,

I would love any next step suggestions  to try and sort this out.
Many thanks,
Ric






---
Questa email è stata esaminata alla ricerca di virus da AVG.
http://www.avg.com






--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: email reads as pain, no text shown in body #msftaccessibility

David <trailerdavid@...>
 

Leaving a View Pane open, means that in effect ALL mail messages are being opened, even before you have got the chance to determine if the message comes from a reliable source.


Though it might seem convenient, it has its definite cost. Opening a message from a malicious source, can serve as the very door opener for a virus or other malware. In other words, it is a clear-cut security risk.


I am not telling anyone what to do or not, simply just want to make you aware that you are running heavy risks, in leaving your door open this way. Even if you just scroll down the list of mail messages, they all are being opened as you scroll.



On 11/23/2017 8:13 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't have time to give a detailed answer now but I'll tell you how to work around the problem.  If you have problems or questions, ask and I'll reply when I have more time later today.  The essence is that you are reading mail as plaint text and Windows Live Mail, the newer version, won't read mail as plain text when using some screen-readers and opening the message. 
If you show the reading pane, move to a message in the list, and tab once you can read it in the view pane.  I prefer this method because it is faster than opening and closing messages.  then, when finished, either tab twice to get back to the message list or shift tab once to get back to it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: larry k
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 12:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] email reads as pain, no text shown in body #msftaccessibility

using windows live mail  any ideas? as to how to show text all the time?


Re: chromebook

David Griffith
 

I personally have switched to Waterfox and am very pleased generally.

 

The only real probllime I have  personally encountered is that ins some but not all edit fields typing causes constant feedback of what you have typed.  So there is constant reading of all that you have typed. This is normally in search edit boxes so it is something I can live with.

The access so far is far better than Chrome and on my system it is faster than Chrome.

Lonf may it continue.

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: 23 November 2017 18:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

 

Well it does appear with firefox that you do need a faster processer.

 

I have found especially on sites like facebook, twitter and especially

youtube the amount of semi lockups and processer spikes is insane.

 

Yesterday I tried noscript and it was basically inaccessible then I

found that mozilla has basically killed the menu uis so everyone needs

to use buttons which we can't even access.

 

Unless there is a hack to make the websites I know think firefox esr is

always the latest firefox or whatever and it is accessible I will have

to use chrome which I just have some issues with, ff57 which while its

not optimal I can use, firefox 56.02 which I am seriously thinking of

using, waterfox or something.

 

To be honest I am seriously wandering if opera is better than what we

have now.

 

This can't go on though.

 

Every session on firefox it sometimes locks, a refresh may fix it for a

few days, a reset a couple days more.

 

But this just has to stop.

 

It seems the gecco engine was more responsive than this new crappy one.

 

And while my processer is an old i5 duel 64 bit I have used other 64 bit

programs on here and well it shouldn't be this bad.

 

Is the 32 bit firefox 57 better on average cpus I wander.

 

I wasn't going to go back me having a 64 bit cpu but I may have no choice.

 

Seriously thinking of waterfox or one of the older builds at least for

the next few months.

 

For those that run firefox beta or dev, should I bite the bullet and

upgrade to dev or beta, I don't mind, I really don't care to go backward

since if this is the new black I really should be getting used to it.

 

One thing which is a reall hamper to me is the fact that the new ui in

addon options just doesn't work with any addons, in fact with noscript

not only will things not read but firefox simply doesn't respond till I

close it and the cpu races with the fans.

 

I know people have to modernise, but after using firefox for a month its

clear that accessibility is no longer in mozillas court right at this

moment.

 

The gecco engine still worked, and I wander if we can get our own

brouser using that, I know its old tech but to be honest it worked.

 

One thing is for sure, when I upgrade to 10, I am going to seriously

concidderedge after my bluster about not doing so.

 

If edge is using what is essentually the new way of doing things and if

everyone else is trying to get access to that tech maybe I should to.

 

I can't run noscript anyway.

 

 

 

 

On 24/11/2017 5:03 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

> No, several radio adverts are going on about cheap laptops using them

> in this black Friday sell off. They are after all just cut down older

> Pentium chips in reality. I'm not a great fan of some of the other

> chips like core duo and some of the cut down amds either.

> To me these days with the overhead of a screenreader and the heavy use

> of graphics in software you need at least a full i3, and preferably  5

> or better. 5 seems OK to me but less than 8 gig of ram tends to make

> it start getting jerky.

> In many ways, its the fault of the software, as I have said many

> times, what really have we gained over the years from the function

> point of view, just prettier pictures and more storage and hence more

> need to find some way to back it all up!

> Brian

> bglists@...

> Sent via blueyonder.

> Please address personal email to:-

> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

> in the display name field.

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Governor staten" <govsta@...>

> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 3:30 PM

> Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

>> For me, I'm not a fan of Celeron processors in anything or anywhere.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> 

>> 

>> On 11/23/2017 5:24 AM, Sally Kiebdaj wrote:

>>> 

>>> Hello guys,

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I have had a chromebook for several years now and regularly use

>>> chromevox with chrome browser on other platforms.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Mostly, I use it for google web applications but it connects to USB

>>> storage and so I will also hook it to my portable hard drive for

>>> working offline. Many of the native google apps do work offline on the

>>> chromebook and then sync once you have an internet connection again.

>>> There are also some apps specifically designed for offline use and

>>> most chromebooks have SD card slots of varying capacity for expanding

>>> storage.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> For an idea of what is available, look at the chrome web store:

>>> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/category/apps

>>> 

>>> 

>>> As others have stated, it does not run NVDA or any other windows

>>> applications. That said, chromevox, the native screen reader, has

>>> improved greatly over the years I have had the device and in its

>>> latest iteration is quite convenient and in terms of web browsing key

>>> layout fairly similar to NVDA.

>>> 

>>> I am not sure that it has audio editing software but it definitely

>>> does have a basic audio player built in for offline use.

>>> 

>>> I would never have it as my primary computer but do enjoy using it for

>>> travel, reading recipes in the kitchen, or really any other time that

>>> I don't want to risk my more expensive windows or Mac machines.

>>> 

>>> do be careful to get one of the chromebooks with a fast processor or

>>> the screen reader can lag too much for my patience. I regularly use

>>> two other chromebooks owned by family and the initial load time for

>>> the screen reader or responsiveness on complex websites is a bit too

>>> laggy on those machines. Mine was one of the original ones offered to

>>> the public and has held up brilliantly through OS updates. It is still

>>> faster than the two other machines I mentioned which are much newer

>>> but lower end in terms of hardware.

>>> Hope this information helps a bit and feel free to write me off-list

>>> with any more specific questions.

>>> 

>>> Cheers,

>>> Sally

>>> fiddle.pup@...

>>> On 11/23/2017 3:41 AM, David Moore wrote:

>>>> 

>>>> Thanks Brian!

>>>> 

>>>> That is what I am seeing as well. I can use a lot of programs and do

>>>> a lot with my HP Stream laptop with just a 32 Gig SSD drive that

>>>> costs only $180.00

>>>> 

>>>> I have Win10 1709 on it, and I am only using 16 GB, and that is even

>>>> with JAWS and NVDA, VLC Media player, and many other programs. I use

>>>> the portable version of Firefox, and that works great along with

>>>> using Edge and IE 11 a little.

>>>> 

>>>> Have a great one!

>>>> 

>>>> David Moore

>>>> 

>>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

>>>> Windows 10

>>>> 

>>>> *From: *Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

>>>> <mailto:bglists@...>

>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:40 AM

>>>> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>>> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] chromebook

>>>> 

>>>> Not really, its pretty limited as far as I can see as most storage is

>>>> 

>>>> through the cloud.

>>>> 

>>>> Chromevox is also a little clunky. Not sure considering the costs if

>>>> one of

>>>> 

>>>> these has much of a place in the market these days considering what

>>>> yu can

>>>> 

>>>> do on a cheap amazon Tablet or a low end windows laptop.

>>>> 

>>>> Brian

>>>> 

>>>> bglists@...

>>>> 

>>>> Sent via blueyonder.

>>>> 

>>>> Please address personal email to:-

>>>> 

>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

>>>> 

>>>> in the display name field.

>>>> 

>>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>> 

>>>> From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>

>>>> 

>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>>> 

>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:03 AM

>>>> 

>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

>>>> 

>>>> I am curious,

>>>> 

>>>> I have read a lot about Chrome Books, and I still can’t figure out

>>>> what

>>>> 

>>>> music player you can install on the machine, for example. Is all you

>>>> can use

>>>> 

>>>> are apps on the Internet like the Chrome apps like Google Docs, Google

>>>> 

>>>> sheets, Google Play, and so on.

>>>> 

>>>> Is it a computer that only works with Internet apps?

>>>> 

>>>> It sounds like you can have android apps on it, is that true?

>>>> 

>>>> I am just trying to get my hands around what you can actually have

>>>> installed

>>>> 

>>>> on the computer itself that you can work with off line! Is there a

>>>> version

>>>> 

>>>> of a music editor, for example you could install on the computer that

>>>> works

>>>> 

>>>> with the Chrome OS?

>>>> 

>>>> Thanks a lot.

>>>> 

>>>> David Moore

>>>> 

>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

>>>> 

>>>> From: Dido Manolov

>>>> 

>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:58 PM

>>>> 

>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>>> 

>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

>>>> 

>>>> Hi,

>>>> 

>>>> Chromebook is a laptop. It is running GoogleOS, not Windows. It runs

>>>> 

>>>> basically everything through the internet and the cloud services. You

>>>> cannot

>>>> 

>>>> run any programs for Windows or Apple.

>>>> 

>>>> Regards:

>>>> 

>>>> Dilian

>>>> 

>>>> Sent from my iPhone

>>>> 

>>>> > On 22 Nov 2017, at 21:30, David <trailerdavid@...> wrote:

>>>> 

>>>> >

>>>> 

>>>> > Listers,

>>>> 

>>>> > I am really not sure, to what extent this might be totally

>>>> off-topic. If

>>>> 

>>>> > so, forebare with me, and contact me off-list.

>>>> 

>>>> >

>>>> 

>>>> > I am contemplating getting a new device, which would replace my

>>>> recently

>>>> 

>>>> > broken netbook. The device will be serving as a backup unit,

>>>> should my

>>>> 

>>>> > main system get a flue, headache - or cause me to have such

>>>> diagnoses.

>>>> 

>>>> > Smiles.

>>>> 

>>>> >

>>>> 

>>>> > Today, I received an offer on something named Chromebook. I do

>>>> not > know

>>>> 

>>>> > what it is, or what to expect from it. Is it even running

>>>> Windows? Or,

>>>> 

>>>> > more importantly, is it by any means workable by a blind user? Can

>>>> it be

>>>> 

>>>> > run by means of NVDA, or what kind of screen reader would it be

>>>> using?

>>>> 

>>>> > Well, is it even a computer, or are we talking more like a mobile

>>>> device?

>>>> 

>>>> >

>>>> 

>>>> > If any of you have some hands-on experience, or more technical

>>>> 

>>>> > information of some sort - I would be greatly appreciating you >

>>>> dropping

>>>> 

>>>> > me a note on the matter. I want to know what to order, before I

>>>> place

>>>> 

>>>> > any order for the next computerized device. So please educate me.

>>>> 

>>>> >

>>>> 

>>>> > Thanks alot,

>>>> 

>>>> >

>>>> 

>>>> >

>>>> 

>>>> >

>>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

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Re: NVDA will not start

Brice Mijares
 

I too was a 20 year user of window eyes and migrated to Jaws, and paid the 129 dollars for the 2 upgrades and still haven't use Jaws. NVDA to me was less complicated, than jaws.

On 11/23/2017 11:37 AM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello Angela. I agree with you that NVDA is a great alternative to JAWS.
There are organisations starting to embrace it. To answer your question as
to why people think that JAWS is the only option, it has to do with the fact
a lot of them had not checked out NVDA, and they think, "well, if its free,
it can't compare to JAWS. I really think that you'll start to see more
organisations embracing NVDA in the long term. I come from both a JAWS and a
Window-Eyes background. I started in 2000 using JAWS 3.5, then, in 2006, got
my own copy of Window-Eyes and used that until 2017 before switching to NVDA
and boy NVDA is indeed faster. Its even more faster on my SSD solid state
hard drive that I have.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angela
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Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 11:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA will not start
Hi,
I finally decided to switch fromJaws to NVDA and find it so good: I wonder
why people always think of Jaws as the only option and don't choose this
great open source screen reader... It seems really fantastic!
The good thing is: there are all commands available in the help menu, so
every one can learn... And I think it does many many things: now it can be
compared  to Jaws! It is even faster! The transition is smooth and have no
problems at all.
And I updated to the latest version with no particular nuisance.
Thank you so much to the wonderful devs who make it better every day!
Sorry for my terrible English, but I wanted to thank you those who put
effort on what they do.
Ciao
Angela from Italy
Il 23/11/2017 20:18, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:
have you tried to go to %appdata% and clobber the nvda folder?

Maybe a mangled setting.

I have had soundcards do bad things and need driver updates to.




On 24/11/2017 6:36 a.m., ely.r@... wrote:
First, I am relatively new to NVDA having worked with both WindowEyes
and JAWS. I have been a TVI for longer than it seems possible. At
present, I continue that teaching, but have started working with
seniors, a group that I am proud to say I am a member. NVDA is a real
option for my age group as many are no longer employed and don't
qualify for many aspects of rehabilitation services and many of whom
are on fixed incomes that may prevent them from affording other
options.

I have been learning NVDA for eight months or so and find the
transition from other screen readers quite easy. However, I am stuck
at the moment as NVDA will simply not run.

I had used it several weeks ago and needed to get back to building
skills. I tried the usual things and finally uninstalled NVDA and
reinstalled with the newest version. The install appeared to go
without a hitch and the default voice spoke through the end of the
process. Unfortunately, NVDA will still not run even when activated
from the program group directly. ,

I would love any next step suggestions  to try and sort this out.
Many thanks,
Ric




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