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Re: can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Brice Mijares
 

I really don't remember. If there isn't a way through add and remove, I'd search for a webroot removal tool. Good Luck.

On 11/23/2017 5:25 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
How did you get rid of it?
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 11:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc
I have some experience with the Geek Squad. They service my laptop a couple of years ago and once it came back, I had webroot on my system.


Re: can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Yes. The guy at the microsoft disability center was able to get rid of it for me. He also helped me get NVDA up tto date.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Mendoza
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Were you able to uninstall by chance directly rather into the Control panel

On 11/24/2017 9:53 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I think so but I can't get rid of it.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brice Mijares
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 8:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Isn't it just plain webroot?

On 11/22/2017 11:51 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Hmm when I look up web rooter it gives me Canadian plumbers!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Chavarria"
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc


Hi, everyone,



I'm using narrator to write this message. I tried to update to nvda
2017.4
RC but when I tried to update to that version, something blocked it
from coming up. I called the microsoft disability line and they
couldn't get it to come up either. When Best Buys repaired my
computer, they put on this thing called web rooter or something like
that. I don't know what to do.
They also installed C cleaner which I really didn't need. How do I
allow web rooter to unblock nvda so I can upgrade?



Thanks for your help in advance.







Rosemarie












Re: can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi,

I just called the microsoft disability line and the guy there helped me get rid of it and I was able to update NVDA. Thank you all for your help and suggestions.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Try googling webroot removal tool.

On 11/23/2017 4:38 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I don't know why Best Buys even installed the program in the first
place. I tried programs and features but it didn't work. I also tried
to see if I could uninstall it from the system tray but that didn't
work either. It's gonna be hard to get rid of it.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

I used to work helping other blind computer users get started. this
program is a pest and you need to get rid of it I have had 2 systems
with it on it and it caused no end of problems with nvda. I can't
remember how hard it is to get rid of but try programs and features first.

On 23/11/2017 15:10, Gene wrote:
It's web root.
Gene
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*Subject:* Re: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Hmm when I look up web rooter it gives me Canadian plumbers!
Brian

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<mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc


> Hi, everyone,
>
>
>
> I'm using narrator to write this message. I tried to update to
nvda
2017.4
> RC but when I tried to update to that version, something blocked
it from > coming up. I called the microsoft disability line and they
couldn't get it > to come up either. When Best Buys repaired my
computer, they put on this > thing called web rooter or something
like that. I don't know what to do.
> They also installed C cleaner which I really didn't need. How do
I allow > web > rooter to unblock nvda so I can upgrade?
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help in advance.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
>
>
>










Re: can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Brice Mijares
 

Try googling webroot removal tool.

On 11/23/2017 4:38 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I don't know why Best Buys even installed the program in the first place. I
tried programs and features but it didn't work. I also tried to see if I
could uninstall it from the system tray but that didn't work either. It's
gonna be hard to get rid of it.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin
Cussick via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc
I used to work helping other blind computer users get started. this
program is a pest and you need to get rid of it I have had 2 systems
with it on it and it caused no end of problems with nvda. I can't
remember how hard it is to get rid of but try programs and features first.
On 23/11/2017 15:10, Gene wrote:
It's web root.
Gene
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*Subject:* Re: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Hmm when I look up web rooter it gives me Canadian plumbers!
 Brian

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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com
<mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc


> Hi, everyone,
>
>
>
> I'm using narrator to write this message. I tried to update to nvda
2017.4
> RC but when I tried to update to that version, something blocked it
from > coming up. I called the microsoft disability line and they
couldn't get it > to come up either. When Best Buys repaired my
computer, they put on this > thing called web rooter or something
like that. I don't know what to do.
> They also installed C cleaner which I really didn't need. How do I
allow > web > rooter to unblock nvda so I can upgrade?
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help in advance.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Robert Mendoza
 

Were you able to uninstall by chance directly rather into the Control panel

On 11/24/2017 9:53 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I think so but I can't get rid of it.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 8:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Isn't it just plain webroot?

On 11/22/2017 11:51 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Hmm when I look up web rooter it gives me Canadian plumbers!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Chavarria"
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc


Hi, everyone,



I'm using narrator to write this message. I tried to update to nvda
2017.4
RC but when I tried to update to that version, something blocked it
from coming up. I called the microsoft disability line and they
couldn't get it to come up either. When Best Buys repaired my
computer, they put on this thing called web rooter or something like
that. I don't know what to do.
They also installed C cleaner which I really didn't need. How do I
allow web rooter to unblock nvda so I can upgrade?



Thanks for your help in advance.







Rosemarie











Re: can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I think so but I can't get rid of it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 8:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Isn't it just plain webroot?

On 11/22/2017 11:51 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Hmm when I look up web rooter it gives me Canadian plumbers!
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Chavarria"
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc


Hi, everyone,



I'm using narrator to write this message. I tried to update to nvda
2017.4
RC but when I tried to update to that version, something blocked it
from coming up. I called the microsoft disability line and they
couldn't get it to come up either. When Best Buys repaired my
computer, they put on this thing called web rooter or something like
that. I don't know what to do.
They also installed C cleaner which I really didn't need. How do I
allow web rooter to unblock nvda so I can upgrade?



Thanks for your help in advance.







Rosemarie









Re: NVDA will not start

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I think my sister said she's coming over tomorrow. I'm pretty sure the
problem is with web root anywhere. I can't get rid of it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of john s
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 5:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA will not start

Rosemarie, I think it is strange that a disability tech couldn't install
NVDA. If possible, you might have a sighted person look at the screen while
you try the install.

At 08:28 PM 11/23/2017, you wrote:
Hi, Angela,

I transitioned from Jaws to NVDA in 2011 and haven't looked back.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Angela Delicata
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 11:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA will not start

Hi,

I finally decided to switch fromJaws to NVDA and find it so good: I
wonder why people always think of Jaws as the only option and don't
choose this great open source screen reader... It seems really fantastic!

The good thing is: there are all commands available in the help menu,
so every one can learn... And I think it does many many things: now it
can be compared to Jaws! It is even faster! The transition is smooth
and have no problems at all.

And I updated to the latest version with no particular nuisance.

Thank you so much to the wonderful devs who make it better every day!

Sorry for my terrible English, but I wanted to thank you those who put
effort on what they do.
Ciao
Angela from Italy

Il 23/11/2017 20:18, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:
have you tried to go to %appdata% and clobber the nvda folder?

Maybe a mangled setting.

I have had soundcards do bad things and need driver updates to.




On 24/11/2017 6:36 a.m., ely.r@comcast.net wrote:
First, I am relatively new to NVDA having worked with both
WindowEyes and JAWS. I have been a TVI for longer than it seems
possible. At present, I continue that teaching, but have started
working with seniors, a group that I am proud to say I am a member.
NVDA is a real option for my age group as many are no longer
employed and don't qualify for many aspects of rehabilitation
services and many of whom are on fixed incomes that may prevent
them from affording other options.

I have been learning NVDA for eight months or so and find the
transition from other screen readers quite easy. However, I am
stuck at the moment as NVDA will simply not run.

I had used it several weeks ago and needed to get back to building
skills. I tried the usual things and finally uninstalled NVDA and
reinstalled with the newest version. The install appeared to go
without a hitch and the default voice spoke through the end of the
process. Unfortunately, NVDA will still not run even when activated
from the program group directly. ,

I would love any next step suggestions to try and sort this out.
Many thanks,
Ric




---
Questa email è stata esaminata alla ricerca di virus da AVG.
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John


Re: NVDA will not start

john s
 

Rosemarie, I think it is strange that a disability tech couldn't install NVDA. If possible, you might have a sighted person look at the screen while you try the install.

At 08:28 PM 11/23/2017, you wrote:
Hi, Angela,

I transitioned from Jaws to NVDA in 2011 and haven't looked back.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angela
Delicata
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 11:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA will not start

Hi,

I finally decided to switch fromJaws to NVDA and find it so good: I wonder
why people always think of Jaws as the only option and don't choose this
great open source screen reader... It seems really fantastic!

The good thing is: there are all commands available in the help menu, so
every one can learn... And I think it does many many things: now it can be
compared to Jaws! It is even faster! The transition is smooth and have no
problems at all.

And I updated to the latest version with no particular nuisance.

Thank you so much to the wonderful devs who make it better every day!

Sorry for my terrible English, but I wanted to thank you those who put
effort on what they do.
Ciao
Angela from Italy

Il 23/11/2017 20:18, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:
have you tried to go to %appdata% and clobber the nvda folder?

Maybe a mangled setting.

I have had soundcards do bad things and need driver updates to.




On 24/11/2017 6:36 a.m., ely.r@comcast.net wrote:
First, I am relatively new to NVDA having worked with both WindowEyes
and JAWS. I have been a TVI for longer than it seems possible. At
present, I continue that teaching, but have started working with
seniors, a group that I am proud to say I am a member. NVDA is a real
option for my age group as many are no longer employed and don't
qualify for many aspects of rehabilitation services and many of whom
are on fixed incomes that may prevent them from affording other
options.

I have been learning NVDA for eight months or so and find the
transition from other screen readers quite easy. However, I am stuck
at the moment as NVDA will simply not run.

I had used it several weeks ago and needed to get back to building
skills. I tried the usual things and finally uninstalled NVDA and
reinstalled with the newest version. The install appeared to go
without a hitch and the default voice spoke through the end of the
process. Unfortunately, NVDA will still not run even when activated
from the program group directly. ,

I would love any next step suggestions to try and sort this out.
Many thanks,
Ric




---
Questa email è stata esaminata alla ricerca di virus da AVG.
http://www.avg.com





John


Re: NVDA will not start

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Angela,

I transitioned from Jaws to NVDA in 2011 and haven't looked back.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angela
Delicata
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 11:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA will not start

Hi,

I finally decided to switch fromJaws to NVDA and find it so good: I wonder
why people always think of Jaws as the only option and don't choose this
great open source screen reader... It seems really fantastic!

The good thing is: there are all commands available in the help menu, so
every one can learn... And I think it does many many things: now it can be
compared  to Jaws! It is even faster! The transition is smooth and have no
problems at all.

And I updated to the latest version with no particular nuisance.

Thank you so much to the wonderful devs who make it better every day!

Sorry for my terrible English, but I wanted to thank you those who put
effort on what they do.
Ciao
Angela from Italy

Il 23/11/2017 20:18, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:
have you tried to go to %appdata% and clobber the nvda folder?

Maybe a mangled setting.

I have had soundcards do bad things and need driver updates to.




On 24/11/2017 6:36 a.m., ely.r@comcast.net wrote:
First, I am relatively new to NVDA having worked with both WindowEyes
and JAWS. I have been a TVI for longer than it seems possible. At
present, I continue that teaching, but have started working with
seniors, a group that I am proud to say I am a member. NVDA is a real
option for my age group as many are no longer employed and don't
qualify for many aspects of rehabilitation services and many of whom
are on fixed incomes that may prevent them from affording other
options.

I have been learning NVDA for eight months or so and find the
transition from other screen readers quite easy. However, I am stuck
at the moment as NVDA will simply not run.

I had used it several weeks ago and needed to get back to building
skills. I tried the usual things and finally uninstalled NVDA and
reinstalled with the newest version. The install appeared to go
without a hitch and the default voice spoke through the end of the
process. Unfortunately, NVDA will still not run even when activated
from the program group directly. ,

I would love any next step suggestions  to try and sort this out.
Many thanks,
Ric




---
Questa email è stata esaminata alla ricerca di virus da AVG.
http://www.avg.com


Re: can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

How did you get rid of it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 11:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

I have some experience with the Geek Squad. They service my laptop a couple of years ago and once it came back, I had webroot on my system.


Graphics Stickers

Robert Mendoza
 

Is there an addons or way to read the graphics stickers in facebook. Silly question to ask cause some of my friend send me like this type which is not readable by nvda though, I believe there is Emoticon but this only handles only for standard Smiley and Emoticon.


Re: can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Quentin,

 

I was able to upgrade to NVDA 2017.4 1 RC but not to the second NVDA 2017.4 RC. I'll try what you suggested and see if it works.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

 

Good points re trying to use task manager or uninstall to stop anti-virus programs.

 

The other question I had for Rosemarie, was that you mentioned you tried to upgrade to 2017.4rc1 but it didn't work and now you are using Narrator.  Does NVDA 2017.3 (or whichever version you were using before) now no longer work at all?

 

One other option for using NVDA, more as a one off, as I wouldn't want to do this all the time, is if you run the 2017.4rc1 (rc2 we're up to now) launcher, it should at least load NVDA to the point of getting you to the license agreement.  As long as it gets that far, you can either select "continue" or even just alt+tab away from the window and leave it there and it will stay running and working for you (or you could setup a portable copy from there you should be able to run later at least without the startup music and which will remember your settings).

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 6:45 AM, Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...> wrote:

I have some experience with the Geek Squad. They service my laptop a couple of years ago and once it came back, I had webroot on my system.




 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

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Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2017.4rc2 now available for testing

Arlene
 

You are welcome.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: November-23-17 11:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2017.4rc2 now available for testing

Thanks for the info. I'll remember this for the future.

On 11/23/2017 10:50 AM, Arlene wrote:
Hi, I've seen this in an older version of NVDA. I just went to the settings and reset it to my liking.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brice Mijares
Sent: November-23-17 8:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2017.4rc2 now available for
testing

Before shutting my system down last night I manually installed the latest version of NVDA. This morning I booted my system and heard the E-speak welcome message at the login screen and nothing after that. I have NVDA set to start after boot up but it didn't work. I went into settings and it wasn't checked to start after boot up. Is this normal for your settings to change? Thanks.







Re: can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I don't know why Best Buys even installed the program in the first place. I
tried programs and features but it didn't work. I also tried to see if I
could uninstall it from the system tray but that didn't work either. It's
gonna be hard to get rid of it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin
Cussick via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

I used to work helping other blind computer users get started. this
program is a pest and you need to get rid of it I have had 2 systems
with it on it and it caused no end of problems with nvda. I can't
remember how hard it is to get rid of but try programs and features first.

On 23/11/2017 15:10, Gene wrote:
It's web root.
Gene
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*Sent:* Thursday, November 23, 2017 1:51 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Hmm when I look up web rooter it gives me Canadian plumbers!
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com
<mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc


> Hi, everyone,
>
>
>
> I'm using narrator to write this message. I tried to update to nvda
2017.4
> RC but when I tried to update to that version, something blocked it
from > coming up. I called the microsoft disability line and they
couldn't get it > to come up either. When Best Buys repaired my
computer, they put on this > thing called web rooter or something
like that. I don't know what to do.
> They also installed C cleaner which I really didn't need. How do I
allow > web > rooter to unblock nvda so I can upgrade?
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help in advance.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2017.4rc2 now available for testing

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

This happened to me also.
 

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 3:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2017.4rc2 now available for testing
 

Hi

 

out of curiosity was this just after you upgraded from the rc1 version of nvda to the rc2 version of nvda? I had my settings saved to when i log onto windows but it unchecked it and was waiting to see if any one else had this happen to them.

 

to save your settings any how is the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter c.

 

It might be a bug that has just been introduced

Gene nz

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On 11/24/2017 5:43 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
Before shutting my system down last night I manually installed the latest version of NVDA. This morning I booted my system and heard the E-speak welcome message at the login screen and nothing after that. I have NVDA set to start after boot up but it didn't work. I went into settings and it wasn't checked to start after boot up. Is this normal for your settings to change? Thanks.




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Re: chromebook

 

I agree david.

Reading the project shows that some fans just don't aggree with some of the decisions mozilla has chosen of late.

Multiprocesser may be good if the processer is fast enough to handle that and everything else.

The fact that web extention ui is either so limited or so broken basically meant I couldn't even use noscript.

One thing I do want back if at all possible is the large list of extentions firefox supports, ie what to do with 7z files, multimedia files, etc,etc, etc.

There were 30-50 commen extentions firefox would handle and now I only have 8.

Even though I have had to admit defeat, enough is enough.

I have been a firefox user for the last 10 years, using the latest version up to 56.02.

I was prepaired to use 57 and use it till 58 came out.

But the loss of some interface elements like the accessible menu used for noscript, and a few simple things like that well I just didn't care for that at all.

It does appear though that we have lost extra app support, as well as some dangerous addon tracking as well as do not track advancements.

The system still uses bits of firefox security code but they plan to move away while keeping the engine working.

I really didn't want to say screw you mozilla you suck but I have no choice.

Access wize it was mostly fine but multiprocesser core feature was really doing my system in.

The busted web ui for their addons and options, and the fact accessible in menu choices had gone really made things not so good.

I may try multiprocesser with a faster box but then I don't see why I need it.

I now have the option to handle things.

You don't get drm by default or pocket or anything however.

On 24/11/2017 9:01 a.m., David Griffith wrote:
I personally have switched to Waterfox and am very pleased generally.

The only real probllime I have personally encountered is that ins some but not all edit fields typing causes constant feedback of what you have typed. So there is constant reading of all that you have typed. This is normally in search edit boxes so it is something I can live with.
The access so far is far better than Chrome and on my system it is faster than Chrome.
Lonf may it continue.
David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: 23 November 2017 18:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

Well it does appear with firefox that you do need a faster processer.

I have found especially on sites like facebook, twitter and especially
youtube the amount of semi lockups and processer spikes is insane.

Yesterday I tried noscript and it was basically inaccessible then I
found that mozilla has basically killed the menu uis so everyone needs
to use buttons which we can't even access.

Unless there is a hack to make the websites I know think firefox esr is
always the latest firefox or whatever and it is accessible I will have
to use chrome which I just have some issues with, ff57 which while its
not optimal I can use, firefox 56.02 which I am seriously thinking of
using, waterfox or something.

To be honest I am seriously wandering if opera is better than what we
have now.

This can't go on though.

Every session on firefox it sometimes locks, a refresh may fix it for a
few days, a reset a couple days more.

But this just has to stop.

It seems the gecco engine was more responsive than this new crappy one.

And while my processer is an old i5 duel 64 bit I have used other 64 bit
programs on here and well it shouldn't be this bad.

Is the 32 bit firefox 57 better on average cpus I wander.

I wasn't going to go back me having a 64 bit cpu but I may have no choice.

Seriously thinking of waterfox or one of the older builds at least for
the next few months.

For those that run firefox beta or dev, should I bite the bullet and
upgrade to dev or beta, I don't mind, I really don't care to go backward
since if this is the new black I really should be getting used to it.

One thing which is a reall hamper to me is the fact that the new ui in
addon options just doesn't work with any addons, in fact with noscript
not only will things not read but firefox simply doesn't respond till I
close it and the cpu races with the fans.

I know people have to modernise, but after using firefox for a month its
clear that accessibility is no longer in mozillas court right at this
moment.

The gecco engine still worked, and I wander if we can get our own
brouser using that, I know its old tech but to be honest it worked.

One thing is for sure, when I upgrade to 10, I am going to seriously
concidderedge after my bluster about not doing so.

If edge is using what is essentually the new way of doing things and if
everyone else is trying to get access to that tech maybe I should to.

I can't run noscript anyway.




On 24/11/2017 5:03 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
No, several radio adverts are going on about cheap laptops using them
in this black Friday sell off. They are after all just cut down older
Pentium chips in reality. I'm not a great fan of some of the other
chips like core duo and some of the cut down amds either.
To me these days with the overhead of a screenreader and the heavy use
of graphics in software you need at least a full i3, and preferably  5
or better. 5 seems OK to me but less than 8 gig of ram tends to make
it start getting jerky.
In many ways, its the fault of the software, as I have said many
times, what really have we gained over the years from the function
point of view, just prettier pictures and more storage and hence more
need to find some way to back it all up!

Brian

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Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook


For me, I'm not a fan of Celeron processors in anything or anywhere.



------------------------------------------------------------------------


On 11/23/2017 5:24 AM, Sally Kiebdaj wrote:
Hello guys,


I have had a chromebook for several years now and regularly use
chromevox with chrome browser on other platforms.


Mostly, I use it for google web applications but it connects to USB
storage and so I will also hook it to my portable hard drive for
working offline. Many of the native google apps do work offline on the
chromebook and then sync once you have an internet connection again.
There are also some apps specifically designed for offline use and
most chromebooks have SD card slots of varying capacity for expanding
storage.


For an idea of what is available, look at the chrome web store:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/category/apps


As others have stated, it does not run NVDA or any other windows
applications. That said, chromevox, the native screen reader, has
improved greatly over the years I have had the device and in its
latest iteration is quite convenient and in terms of web browsing key
layout fairly similar to NVDA.

I am not sure that it has audio editing software but it definitely
does have a basic audio player built in for offline use.

I would never have it as my primary computer but do enjoy using it for
travel, reading recipes in the kitchen, or really any other time that
I don't want to risk my more expensive windows or Mac machines.

do be careful to get one of the chromebooks with a fast processor or
the screen reader can lag too much for my patience. I regularly use
two other chromebooks owned by family and the initial load time for
the screen reader or responsiveness on complex websites is a bit too
laggy on those machines. Mine was one of the original ones offered to
the public and has held up brilliantly through OS updates. It is still
faster than the two other machines I mentioned which are much newer
but lower end in terms of hardware.
Hope this information helps a bit and feel free to write me off-list
with any more specific questions.

Cheers,
Sally
fiddle.pup@gmail.com
On 11/23/2017 3:41 AM, David Moore wrote:
Thanks Brian!

That is what I am seeing as well. I can use a lot of programs and do
a lot with my HP Stream laptop with just a 32 Gig SSD drive that
costs only $180.00

I have Win10 1709 on it, and I am only using 16 GB, and that is even
with JAWS and NVDA, VLC Media player, and many other programs. I use
the portable version of Firefox, and that works great along with
using Edge and IE 11 a little.

Have a great one!

David Moore

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Not really, its pretty limited as far as I can see as most storage is

through the cloud.

Chromevox is also a little clunky. Not sure considering the costs if
one of

these has much of a place in the market these days considering what
yu can

do on a cheap amazon Tablet or a low end windows laptop.

Brian

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From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:03 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

I am curious,

I have read a lot about Chrome Books, and I still can’t figure out
what

music player you can install on the machine, for example. Is all you
can use

are apps on the Internet like the Chrome apps like Google Docs, Google

sheets, Google Play, and so on.

Is it a computer that only works with Internet apps?

It sounds like you can have android apps on it, is that true?

I am just trying to get my hands around what you can actually have
installed

on the computer itself that you can work with off line! Is there a
version

of a music editor, for example you could install on the computer that
works

with the Chrome OS?

Thanks a lot.

David Moore

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From: Dido Manolov

Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:58 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

Hi,

Chromebook is a laptop. It is running GoogleOS, not Windows. It runs

basically everything through the internet and the cloud services. You
cannot

run any programs for Windows or Apple.

Regards:

Dilian

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On 22 Nov 2017, at 21:30, David <trailerdavid@hotmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
I am really not sure, to what extent this might be totally
off-topic. If

so, forebare with me, and contact me off-list.
I am contemplating getting a new device, which would replace my
recently

broken netbook. The device will be serving as a backup unit,
should my

main system get a flue, headache - or cause me to have such
diagnoses.

Smiles.
Today, I received an offer on something named Chromebook. I do
not > know

what it is, or what to expect from it. Is it even running
Windows? Or,

more importantly, is it by any means workable by a blind user? Can
it be

run by means of NVDA, or what kind of screen reader would it be
using?

Well, is it even a computer, or are we talking more like a mobile
device?

If any of you have some hands-on experience, or more technical
information of some sort - I would be greatly appreciating you >
dropping

me a note on the matter. I want to know what to order, before I
place

any order for the next computerized device. So please educate me.
Thanks alot,


.




interesting development

 

Hi.

Well, after today's firefox drama I decided to go back to waterfox.

Looking at the page for waterfox I found out a few more things.

1.  the project is based on mozilla but at least for the moment is not going to upgrade to the new firefox engine.

The devs plan to use web extentions but also plan to keep the old xul and xp com apis about.

That means we the user can get accessible waterfox.

Another thing, while its an option we can choose if we want multiprocesser support or not.

Currently its not.

The only thing I am missing is the wide range of associated filetypes, but it looks like this system uses basic gecco without all the extras a lot of the stock mozilla functions are removed.

Sadly as all mozilla addons become outdated that may stop but the waterfox project plan to use their own addon store, it appears that some things mozilla has done they don't agree with.

One thing though while they may be happy to be a barebones brouser they have removed a few bits of the security extras mozilla has added in.

Tracking is for private windows only for protection.

For barebones brousers like me, this is probably a way out in the short to medium term at least till mozilla is able to fix its stuff.

Not that I don't want people to not report that right now the addons and web ui interfaces are just not usable by us, the fact I can't even use noscript currently is bad enough but even so.


Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2017.4rc2 now available for testing

Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks Gene and Brice (& everyone).  We'll look into it and see if we can get to the bottom of it.

Quentin.

On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 7:51 AM, Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...> wrote:
Yes. thanks.

On 11/23/2017 12:41 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi


out of curiosity was this just after you upgraded from the rc1 version of nvda to the rc2 version of nvda? I had my settings saved to when i log onto windows but it unchecked it and was waiting to see if any one else had this happen to them.


to save your settings any how is the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter c.


It might be a bug that has just been introduced

Gene nz

?


On 11/24/2017 5:43 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
Before shutting my system down last night I manually installed the latest version of NVDA. This morning I booted my system and heard the E-speak welcome message at the login screen and nothing after that. I have NVDA set to start after boot up but it didn't work. I went into settings and it wasn't checked to start after boot up. Is this normal for your settings to change? Thanks.




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Re: can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Kevin Cussick
 

I used to work helping other blind computer users get started. this program is a pest and you need to get rid of it I have had 2 systems with it on it and it caused no end of problems with nvda. I can't remember how hard it is to get rid of but try programs and features first.

On 23/11/2017 15:10, Gene wrote:
It's web root.
Gene
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Hmm when I look up web rooter it gives me Canadian plumbers!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

> Hi, everyone,
>
>
>
> I'm using narrator to write this message. I tried to update to nvda
2017.4
> RC but when I tried to update to that version, something blocked it from
> coming up. I called the microsoft disability line and they couldn't
get it
> to come up either. When Best Buys repaired my computer, they put on this
> thing called web rooter or something like that. I don't know what to do.
> They also installed C cleaner which I really didn't need. How do I allow
> web
> rooter to unblock nvda so I can upgrade?
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help in advance.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
>
>
>


Re: NVDA will not start

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

This thread has gone on a couple of tangents, but just to pick up on the original poster's issue, with NVDA not starting, you can press NVDA+control+r three times quickly to reset NVDA to factory defaults.  (And still, every time I write that, I really want to add that you have to press those keys while saying "there's no place like home!" but I think you only need to do that in the limited edition "Oz" version of NVDA).


On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 7:36 AM, David <trailerdavid@...> wrote:
Sure, NVDA has come a long way. I started using it as a backup screen
reader several years ago. Considering what it can perform today, I do
agree it starts to come up on the side of the paid-for products.


As to your question of why it is, that people seem to think other screen
readers are superior, I do hold there should be a few reasons. One thing
is what they are being informed. The other is what they think, as one of
the listers already pointed out.


Still, NVDA will be but one out of the nearly ten screen readers I have
been in touch with, up through the years. I am still running Window-Eyes
as my main reader, and have started learning Jaws. Reason? NVDA simply
won't do in all the activity I am doing on the computer. It fails in
some of the programs I have running.


NVDA is a great product. It has saved me out of numerous situations,
when WinEyes locked up. It is fast, light on resources, and it is free
and hence available for all. Yet it has its drawbacks. Might i just
remind you of the discussion going on the very last days, about its
slowness and lacks in Office?


Point in summary: NVDA is a good alternative, and might be the right
thing for all users, who are using their computer for simple daily
activity. For a number of users, it will not be sufficient as a
only-kid-on-the-block product, but will serve as a perfect backup screen
reader, at moments when the main reader fails. And, for an indefinite
number of users, it simply will never get well enough, due to their
high-end computer usage.


Claiming that one screen reader is "the best", is never a good idea.
Till date, after more than thirty years of computer usage, I have yet
not seen the screen reader that would be fully superior in all cases. If
NVDA meets your requirements, expectations and needs, congratulations;
you are the winner. Others will have all good reasons to claim it does
not, and they will have choices in the market.


In additon, people might be operating in environments - like workplaces
- where they will have no choice, but to go for high-end screen readers.
Does your employer demand a certain software being used in their domain,
and this software takes high-end approaches in computer resources, NVDA
might not even be able to get to the info that will be needed.


To be even a bit more technical about the matter, NVDA can have add-ons
written to it, so as to get it more sufficed with a given software. Far
as I can understand, NVDA add-ons will have to be written in Python, and
not even the newest version of that language either. For your
comparison, WinEyes had scripting capabilities, that would allow the
developer of add-ons to be written in a long number of programming
languages. It even could combine blocks of coding, from different
languages. This would ensure a couple of things.


First of all, the developer could build his code on a platform familiar
to him. He was not forced to use one particular coding. In effect, you
would have more people available for programming, since you could have
people from all camps.


Secondly, if a developer needed a certain feature, or performance, he
could choose to yuse the programming language, that would give the
smoothest coding. We did see certain add-ons, written partially in
Python, and partially in VBScript. Some developers used AutoHotkey to do
parts of the add-on operation, since it gave the best performance,
lightest code, and widest set of features.


Now, why all that chatter about WinEyes and its scripting capacity?
After all, WinEyes is per definition dropped and gone for good. Well,
just to show you that one screen reader might be the better choice in
certain situations, while another screen reader will have the better
performance in other scenarios. Jaws, for one thing, has long time had a
far better pronunciation Dictionary built-in, than what was the case
with WinEyes. Still, I can openly admit, there are a handful of WinEyes
features -built-in and Add-Ons - that I will greatly miss, as none of
the other screen readers have been able to show up equal features.


Finally, may I take the opportunity to thank the developers of NVDA, for
all their endeavors. NVDA is a great product, that comes in handy quite
often. And as it continues to grow, chances are that it will become far
more full-fledged, as time and development moves on.


On 11/23/2017 8:37 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
> Hello Angela. I agree with you that NVDA is a great alternative to JAWS.
> There are organisations starting to embrace it.  To answer your question as
> to why people think that JAWS is the only option, it has to do with the fact
> a lot of them had not checked out NVDA, and they think, "well, if its free,
> it can't compare to JAWS. I really think that you'll start to see more
> organisations embracing NVDA in the long term. I come from both a JAWS and a
> Window-Eyes background. I started in 2000 using JAWS 3.5, then, in 2006, got
> my own copy of Window-Eyes and used that until 2017 before switching to NVDA
> and boy NVDA is indeed faster. Its even more faster on my SSD solid state
> hard drive that I have.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angela
> Delicata
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 11:30 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA will not start
>
> Hi,
>
> I finally decided to switch fromJaws to NVDA and find it so good: I wonder
> why people always think of Jaws as the only option and don't choose this
> great open source screen reader... It seems really fantastic!
>
> The good thing is: there are all commands available in the help menu, so
> every one can learn... And I think it does many many things: now it can be
> compared  to Jaws! It is even faster! The transition is smooth and have no
> problems at all.
>
> And I updated to the latest version with no particular nuisance.
>
> Thank you so much to the wonderful devs who make it better every day!
>
> Sorry for my terrible English, but I wanted to thank you those who put
> effort on what they do.
> Ciao
> Angela from Italy
>
> Il 23/11/2017 20:18, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:
>> have you tried to go to %appdata% and clobber the nvda folder?
>>
>> Maybe a mangled setting.
>>
>> I have had soundcards do bad things and need driver updates to.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 24/11/2017 6:36 a.m., ely.r@... wrote:
>>> First, I am relatively new to NVDA having worked with both WindowEyes
>>> and JAWS. I have been a TVI for longer than it seems possible. At
>>> present, I continue that teaching, but have started working with
>>> seniors, a group that I am proud to say I am a member. NVDA is a real
>>> option for my age group as many are no longer employed and don't
>>> qualify for many aspects of rehabilitation services and many of whom
>>> are on fixed incomes that may prevent them from affording other
>>> options.
>>>
>>> I have been learning NVDA for eight months or so and find the
>>> transition from other screen readers quite easy. However, I am stuck
>>> at the moment as NVDA will simply not run.
>>>
>>> I had used it several weeks ago and needed to get back to building
>>> skills. I tried the usual things and finally uninstalled NVDA and
>>> reinstalled with the newest version. The install appeared to go
>>> without a hitch and the default voice spoke through the end of the
>>> process. Unfortunately, NVDA will still not run even when activated
>>> from the program group directly. ,
>>>
>>> I would love any next step suggestions  to try and sort this out.
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Ric
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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