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Re: FW: [win10] nvda, and tutorials

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Yes already mentioned this elsewhere. It seems to me that over time this has become fragmented and a simple to follow way to report issues might have headed off the bits of bugs that are in the current RC as more of the new users could have just reported the issues.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] nvda, and tutorials


Hi


I just went looking for guides etc done by users etc on both the community website and the nv access website do you reckon i could find them easily?


I think it was quicker for me to do a search with google.


I did go to the cummunity link but way down the page past all the other stuff there was a link to the https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/Guides

New users would not really have a idea to do that unless they were taken straight to that page.


I think I would rather just be pointed straight to the page from nvda.


I did also look under the nvaccess page as well i could find some info under the get help sectionot the guides.

plus the shop was easy to find. But I think maybe a couple of other sections could go there 2 to make it easier for people to find the type of info by people of the community.

.


Gene nz


On 11/22/2017 10:42 AM, Tony Ballou wrote:

Hi,


Just my take but I think this is a great idea to have that as well as
links to the accessibility central website is there is a myriad of
tutorials and information about NVDA there. Think of it as a one-stop shop.


Tony


On 11/20/2017 8:07 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:


Hi Quentin,
Any thoughts on this?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io<mailto:win10@win10.groups.io> [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 5:05 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io<mailto:win10@win10.groups.io>
Subject: [win10] nvda, and tutorials

Hi.

It seems to me with all the drama going on on here that a few things need to happen.

Firstly if there isn't a tutorials page on the nvda wiki maybe it needs to be visible, maybe as part of the support page or download page or even main pages you should have links to the user guide, audio demos of features, audio and text tutorials maybe some sort of faq to.

It would really cut down on all the drama on here if someone wants to fine a tutorial that we can give a centralised location where all links to tutorials on and off site are placed.

Its only a suggestion, I am unsure how to make it a formal proposal but it would be a good way to make most of this stuff go away and would be generally good.

If this stuff exists deep down somewhere maybe it could be brought together somewhere and if someone has a lot of it somewhere else then it should be linked in this central location to.
















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Re: what NVDA echos

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Sounds like its back to Microsoft then. However it would be interesting to know if all use the same synth if they all say it or not.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Isige" <gwynn@tds.net>
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Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos


This is synth dependent. Under the one core voices I get Cuban Pesos too, but under Eloquence it reads just fine. Also under eSpeak NG, Rh Voice, Svox Pico, and Nuance Vocalizer. All of those read as cup the drinking vessel, not Cuban Pesos.


On 11/26/2017 13:07, Brice Mijares wrote:
Well I removed decaccess32 and using the one core voice David and still hearing 1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour. for the following line.
1/2 cup flour.
And if I add s to cup, it says it correctly. Stilled baffled!

On 11/26/2017 10:35 AM, John Isige wrote:
I don't hear that, it reads fine for me. But with SAPI 5 Code Factory Eloquence, HTML headings can get pretty messed up, e.g. if heading one is Mary it will read as like "March stwan Mary", because it's interpreting the heading number as a date, I think. So you can get some odd stuff, depending on the synth you're using.


On 11/26/2017 12:08, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if it's the one I'm thinking of).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos

Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate set at 90 and it's still slow. Thank you.

On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most of the things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined below) is controlled by speech synthesizers.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brice Mijares
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos

I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank you.

On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
What synthesizer are you using?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brice Mijares
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos

The next line ,
1/2 cup flour
is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.



















Re: what NVDA echos

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What is the computer language?Is it Spanish?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brice Mijares" <bricemijares@att.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos


I just wrote the following line in notepad.
1/2 cup flour.
it read perfectly using window Eyes and Jaws, but NVDA says Cuban Peso for the word cup. You'd want the / mark to know it's .5cup No big deal knowing that It has something to do with NVDA since no other screen reader says Cuban Pesos. Thanks

On 11/26/2017 11:38 AM, Gene wrote:

If cup is the abbreviation for Cuban pesos, adding an s may cause it not to be recognized since it isn't the correct form. Are you objecting to the slash or the Cuban Pesos? How is your punctuation set? You will have to set it to none not to hear the slash.
Also, let's be sure nothing is being overlooked. It is unlikely that the word cup would be read as Cuban pesos by any synthesizer or screen-reader. If it were, then any time the word cup were found in text, it would be read as Cuban pesos as in "My Cuban pesos runneth over." So check the recipe. How, exactly is it written? Is it written as cup or as cp? Is it small letters or capitalized?

Gene
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*Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 1:07 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos

Well I removed decaccess32 and using the one core voice David and still
hearing 1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour. for the following line.
1/2 cup flour.
And if I add s to cup, it says it correctly. Stilled baffled!

On 11/26/2017 10:35 AM, John Isige wrote:
> I don't hear that, it reads fine for me. But with SAPI 5 Code Factory
> Eloquence, HTML headings can get pretty messed up, e.g. if heading one
> is Mary it will read as like "March stwan Mary", because it's
> interpreting the heading number as a date, I think. So you can get
some
> odd stuff, depending on the synth you're using.
>
>
> On 11/26/2017 12:08, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if it's the
>> one I'm thinking of).
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Brice Mijares
>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
>>
>> Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate set at
>> 90 and it's still slow. Thank you.
>>
>> On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most of the
>>> things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined below) is
>>> controlled by speech synthesizers.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Brice Mijares
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
>>>
>>> I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank you.
>>>
>>> On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> What synthesizer are you using?
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> Brice Mijares
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos
>>>>
>>>> The next line ,
>>>> 1/2 cup flour
>>>> is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else
>>>> using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: virtualizing the current window for further review?

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Well if the window is read and you can get object or screen nav onto the text you want to copy then nvda numpad 5 three times copies it to clipboard. I'm sorry not actually figured out the equivelent to this on a laptop keyboard.
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Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] virtualizing the current window for further review?


Is there a way of doing this? Can I hit a key stroke that will turn let's say an error window into a virtual buffer for which I can then copy to the clip board?

I thought there was a way to do this but I'm using the laptop layout.

Take care


Re: what NVDA echos

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It has to be yet another weird one.
What happens on a UK post code, such as
KT1 5NY

Does the NY generate New york or not. It sounds like your synth is actually doing Spanish abbreviations not American ones.
I had hoped Microsoft would have a way to disable all this junk if you wanted to. Even speak expands DR into doctor, and I notice sappi puts roman numerals into figures, at least Espeak normally says roman before them but it can still be a pain in books where a British police DCI comes out as a number.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brice Mijares" <bricemijares@att.net>
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Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos


Well I removed decaccess32 and using the one core voice David and still hearing 1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour. for the following line.
1/2 cup flour.
And if I add s to cup, it says it correctly. Stilled baffled!

On 11/26/2017 10:35 AM, John Isige wrote:
I don't hear that, it reads fine for me. But with SAPI 5 Code Factory Eloquence, HTML headings can get pretty messed up, e.g. if heading one is Mary it will read as like "March stwan Mary", because it's interpreting the heading number as a date, I think. So you can get some odd stuff, depending on the synth you're using.


On 11/26/2017 12:08, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if it's the one I'm thinking of).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos

Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate set at 90 and it's still slow. Thank you.

On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most of the things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined below) is controlled by speech synthesizers.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brice Mijares
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos

I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank you.

On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
What synthesizer are you using?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brice Mijares
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos

The next line ,
1/2 cup flour
is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.


















Re: what NVDA echos

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It is probably a synth thing. What is the synth in use. I'm always annoyed by Sapi 5 voices extending US State names when the abbreviation is in fact part of a UK postal code, ie NY is not New York!
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 5:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos


The next line ,
1/2 cup flour
is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.


Re: not announce title attribute on link when use nvda

Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello,
You have to go to NVDA preferences, then to "object presentation".
Then check report object description.
While I had that unchecked, the title of the first link on your example page was not announced.
If you need more information on objects, you can also check the boxes "report tootips" and "report help balloons".
If you need more information on a link that has title, you can also press nvda+tab, when you are on this link.
Also, if you go through the page with say all command or the arrow keys, and you come on the link with title, NVDA will not speak the link title.
However, if the checkbox I meant at the beginning of this message is checked, and if you use the tab key to browse from link to link, you will hear the link title.
I hope this helps.
Best
Sylvie

Le 26/11/2017 à 03:35, 特種兵 a écrit :
hi all:


  yes, I known that.

  but the link's title attribute is not in "document setting" list.

  you can try connect this page and check what is response with nvda:

http://logo.gaga.tw/link_has_title.html

  thanks



Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io 於 2017/11/26 上午 04:36 寫道:
Not quite sure what you mean, in the document settings you can turn on and off lots of things to be spoken at the moment its saying heading level1 but I can tick on lots of other stuff in that dialogue and it makes navigation really irritating as so much is spoken. Is this what you mean?
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----- Original Message ----- From: "特種兵" <afreettears@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 11:04 AM
Subject: [nvda] not announce title attribute on link when use nvda


Hi all,


 Why my nvda + browser not announce title attribute content on link.

 This question is very secret.

but some people could hear the title attribute's content.

 Like this html code:

<a href="http://www.nvaccess.org"; title="open the new window" target="_blank"> nvaccess </a>

 I always only hear "nvaccess" when use nvda + browser(firefox, ie) on web or html file.

 and I test some machine the result is the same.

example:

 win 7, win 10, nvda + firefox or nvda + ie

 But there are few people use their pc can hear it.

 Through long time, I still not understand what's wrong?

 Would some body tell me what about?


 Sorry for my terrible English, my english teacher cry if she read the letter.


Logo Kuo from Taiwan








Not announcing position in email list pane in Windows Live Mail

Brian Crabtree
 

Please excuse me for re-posting this. Maybe everyone missed it last time. 

Until installing NVDA 2017.3 WLM would say where I was in the list of emails in my Inbox and other folders - for example it would end its speech for an email by saying 1 of 6.

The Essentials add-on, in its General section has a statement that NVDA no longer announces position in a list for some apps.

Is this intentional or will the function return after bug fixes, etc? Brian Crabtree


Re: NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

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Hi


The quickest way to disable all addons is when you go to quit nvda a combo box will come up the first option like  exit nvda. If you arrow down to disable all addons then tab to ok it will do them all in one hit.


Then after that repeat the process in file explorer and maybe turn on one by one testing each time.


there was another susgestion about a preview pane that could be turned off and see if that makes a difference.


Gene nz



On 11/27/2017 3:42 PM, David Moore wrote:

Hi Gene!

It is a duel core I5 processor with 2 Giga hurtz speed. four Gig of ram.

I will try disabling the add ons.

I do have clip speak on here, and around 20 different add ons.

Thanks a lot, I would have not thought of disabling some of the add ons.

Take care.

David Moore

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From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

Hi david

 

could i ask how fast the machine is that you are using?

 

I just tried it on my machine here and nvda is quick as going through my documents, music etc This is just using the arrow keys.

 

In the place where my music is there is over 11 hundred albums and is still snappy.

 

I am using nvda 2017.4 rc2 and windows 10 1709 i think it is.

 

I was also doing it on a external drive to see if there was aslow down there.

 

 

Some times doing a reset nvda back to factory defaults fixes problem that may cause problems.

 

If you do thismake sure when it is done turn off nvda then restart it so you get the message when you first download nvda like settings it to start on startup type of keyboard.

 

did you try disablingadd ons? and see if you get the same result? You can reinable them one by one just in case it is one of them causing it.

 

At one time i had problemswith copying certain files and it turned out to be a add on i think called clip speak causing it. Maybe the problem has been fixed now on it but do not have it on the pc any more.

 

I guess i would try dia abling the add ons first and try it again file file explorer to see if you get the same result.

 

Do you know if your machine is a single core, duel core???

 

It may help .

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 11/27/2017 2:42 PM, David Moore wrote:

I hope I am not getting off topic,

But NVDA is very sluggish when I arrow through my documents in my documents folder, for example. With JAWS, it is so snappy when I press the down arrow very quickly and hear the names of the documents. NVDA is sluggish when I arrow through a lot of any files, like a large list of music files. When I press the down arrow, I have to wait a couple of seconds for NVDA to say the name of the next folder, even in This PC. I am using latest NVDA, and Windows 10 Fall creators.

I was just curious about this.

Take care, guys!

David Moore

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From: Tyler Wood
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 7:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

Hi,

Can confirm this.

I can also confirm that yes, CPU cycles have a lot to do with this.

This is also, for me at least, when explorer browsing becomes unresponsive and folders will not read. E.g. go into this pc, hit l for local disk. NVDA will say local disk © if you hit NVDA+t, but apart from that will not read the contents of the window.

I’m glad others are seeing this. I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one.

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: November 26, 2017 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

Do other screen-readers have the same problem?  I don't that the problem has anything to do with computer power being used.  Since other activities are still performed well or reasonably quickly, it sounds to me as though the copy dialog may be covering a part of the screen these activities use or causing some sort of conflict that keeps some information from reaching NVDA.  Of course, that may be completely wrong but perhaps we'll see.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:40 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

There is a behavior in NVDA that is rather bothersome.
During a task that requires a lot of processing, such as a large file copy, a batch file conversion, or some other process that uses a lot of CPU cycles, NVDA will stop reading the alt tab list after the first entry. Hitting alt-tab produces only silence. In addition, NVDA will not read new notifications, or toasts in windows 10 parlance. GEneral responsiveness is not impacted; only th ese two situations--the alt tab and the toasts.
I do not recall if this occurs in windows 7, but can test if necessary.
What is causing this and has a fix been proposed?


 

 

 

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Re: virtualizing the current window for further review?

David Moore
 

Yes most definitely!,

turn on Narrator with CTRL+Windows+Enter, and go to any image,

Press:

Shift+Caps Lock+D.

Narrator will describe the image, even if there is no text.

Very powerful!

Please email me off list if you want.

I believe that Narrator uses some kind of service to do this image description.

David Moore

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From: Robert Mendoza
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 10:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] virtualizing the current window for further review?

 

Hi, David

Can you shed some guidelines how it works in windows 10? I would like to test how could be possibly use this features.

Robert Mendoza

On 11/27/2017 10:44 AM, David Moore wrote:

Yes, Narrator does have this ability in the Fall Crators 1709.

David Moore

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From: Robert Mendoza
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] virtualizing the current window for further review?

 

Thanks. I do hope on the next future releases of Windows 10 has to

include this feature, like they did on the app of Seeing AI. Apology to

the admin for raising this off topic however, it is very interesting to

discuss it here somehow.

 

Robert Mendoza

 

On 11/27/2017 9:02 AM, John Isige wrote:

> No, it just tries to recognize text. It can't do the Facebook "picture

> may contain dog" thing, I think Narrator does something like that but

> I've never tried it. But that's something specific to Microsoft that

> Narrator's built to take advantage of, I don't think other screen

> readers have access to it.

> On 11/26/2017 17:21, Robert Mendoza wrote:

>> Sorry to interfere the discussion here but seemingly relevant somehow

>> to ask.  Just curious how precise does the OCR works with Windows 10

>> , I mean I have the installed version of the latest Windows 10 but,

>> how could possibly extend to recognize such text or images? For the

>> text I believe they worked but how about to particular images

>> represent to certain docs or sites. Do they have the capability to

>> recognize fully and how to describe the image was for, like telling

>> to the users what exactly the images looks like.

>> 

>> Robert Mendoza

>> 

>> On 11/27/2017 6:55 AM, John Isige wrote:

>>> NVDA-r runs either the OCR addon if you have it installed in

>>> previous versions of Windows, or Windows OCR in Windows 10. It will

>>> give you that kind of buffer-like thing if it recognizes text, yes.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> On 11/26/2017 16:34, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:

>>>> and think nvda r might do it.

>>>> 

>>>> On 26/11/2017 20:27, John Isige wrote:

>>>>> There is an addon, that gives you a hotkey.

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/virtualRevision.en.html

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> On 11/26/2017 14:24, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

>>>>>> I didn't' actually see it, but  I thougth there was a  keyboard

>>>>>> hot key I could hit to do this, or am I thinking of a different

>>>>>> screen reader.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Take care

>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> On Nov 26, 2017, at 12:20 PM, John Isige <gwynn@...> wrote:

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> There' an addon.

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> On 11/26/2017 14:19, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

>>>>>>>> Is there  a way of doing this? Can I hit a key stroke that will

>>>>>>>> turn let's say an error window into a virtual buffer for which

>>>>>>>> I can then copy to the clip board?

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> I thought there was a way to do this but I'm using the laptop

>>>>>>>> layout.

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> Take care

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 


Re: virtualizing the current window for further review?

Robert Mendoza
 

Hi, David

Can you shed some guidelines how it works in windows 10? I would like to test how could be possibly use this features.

Robert Mendoza

On 11/27/2017 10:44 AM, David Moore wrote:

Yes, Narrator does have this ability in the Fall Crators 1709.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Mendoza
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] virtualizing the current window for further review?

 

Thanks. I do hope on the next future releases of Windows 10 has to

include this feature, like they did on the app of Seeing AI. Apology to

the admin for raising this off topic however, it is very interesting to

discuss it here somehow.

 

Robert Mendoza

 

On 11/27/2017 9:02 AM, John Isige wrote:

> No, it just tries to recognize text. It can't do the Facebook "picture

> may contain dog" thing, I think Narrator does something like that but

> I've never tried it. But that's something specific to Microsoft that

> Narrator's built to take advantage of, I don't think other screen

> readers have access to it.

> On 11/26/2017 17:21, Robert Mendoza wrote:

>> Sorry to interfere the discussion here but seemingly relevant somehow

>> to ask.  Just curious how precise does the OCR works with Windows 10

>> , I mean I have the installed version of the latest Windows 10 but,

>> how could possibly extend to recognize such text or images? For the

>> text I believe they worked but how about to particular images

>> represent to certain docs or sites. Do they have the capability to

>> recognize fully and how to describe the image was for, like telling

>> to the users what exactly the images looks like.

>> 

>> Robert Mendoza

>> 

>> On 11/27/2017 6:55 AM, John Isige wrote:

>>> NVDA-r runs either the OCR addon if you have it installed in

>>> previous versions of Windows, or Windows OCR in Windows 10. It will

>>> give you that kind of buffer-like thing if it recognizes text, yes.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> On 11/26/2017 16:34, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:

>>>> and think nvda r might do it.

>>>> 

>>>> On 26/11/2017 20:27, John Isige wrote:

>>>>> There is an addon, that gives you a hotkey.

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/virtualRevision.en.html

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> On 11/26/2017 14:24, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

>>>>>> I didn't' actually see it, but  I thougth there was a  keyboard

>>>>>> hot key I could hit to do this, or am I thinking of a different

>>>>>> screen reader.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Take care

>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> On Nov 26, 2017, at 12:20 PM, John Isige <gwynn@...> wrote:

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> There' an addon.

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> On 11/26/2017 14:19, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

>>>>>>>> Is there  a way of doing this? Can I hit a key stroke that will

>>>>>>>> turn let's say an error window into a virtual buffer for which

>>>>>>>> I can then copy to the clip board?

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> I thought there was a way to do this but I'm using the laptop

>>>>>>>> layout.

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> Take care

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 


Re: virtualizing the current window for further review?

David Moore
 

Yes, Narrator does have this ability in the Fall Crators 1709.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Mendoza
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] virtualizing the current window for further review?

 

Thanks. I do hope on the next future releases of Windows 10 has to

include this feature, like they did on the app of Seeing AI. Apology to

the admin for raising this off topic however, it is very interesting to

discuss it here somehow.

 

Robert Mendoza

 

On 11/27/2017 9:02 AM, John Isige wrote:

> No, it just tries to recognize text. It can't do the Facebook "picture

> may contain dog" thing, I think Narrator does something like that but

> I've never tried it. But that's something specific to Microsoft that

> Narrator's built to take advantage of, I don't think other screen

> readers have access to it.

> On 11/26/2017 17:21, Robert Mendoza wrote:

>> Sorry to interfere the discussion here but seemingly relevant somehow

>> to ask.  Just curious how precise does the OCR works with Windows 10

>> , I mean I have the installed version of the latest Windows 10 but,

>> how could possibly extend to recognize such text or images? For the

>> text I believe they worked but how about to particular images

>> represent to certain docs or sites. Do they have the capability to

>> recognize fully and how to describe the image was for, like telling

>> to the users what exactly the images looks like.

>> 

>> Robert Mendoza

>> 

>> On 11/27/2017 6:55 AM, John Isige wrote:

>>> NVDA-r runs either the OCR addon if you have it installed in

>>> previous versions of Windows, or Windows OCR in Windows 10. It will

>>> give you that kind of buffer-like thing if it recognizes text, yes.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> On 11/26/2017 16:34, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:

>>>> and think nvda r might do it.

>>>> 

>>>> On 26/11/2017 20:27, John Isige wrote:

>>>>> There is an addon, that gives you a hotkey.

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/virtualRevision.en.html

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> On 11/26/2017 14:24, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

>>>>>> I didn't' actually see it, but  I thougth there was a  keyboard

>>>>>> hot key I could hit to do this, or am I thinking of a different

>>>>>> screen reader.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Take care

>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> On Nov 26, 2017, at 12:20 PM, John Isige <gwynn@...> wrote:

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> There' an addon.

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> On 11/26/2017 14:19, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

>>>>>>>> Is there  a way of doing this? Can I hit a key stroke that will

>>>>>>>> turn let's say an error window into a virtual buffer for which

>>>>>>>> I can then copy to the clip board?

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> I thought there was a way to do this but I'm using the laptop

>>>>>>>> layout.

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> Take care

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 


Re: NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

David Moore
 

Hi Gene!

It is a duel core I5 processor with 2 Giga hurtz speed. four Gig of ram.

I will try disabling the add ons.

I do have clip speak on here, and around 20 different add ons.

Thanks a lot, I would have not thought of disabling some of the add ons.

Take care.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

Hi david

 

could i ask how fast the machine is that you are using?

 

I just tried it on my machine here and nvda is quick as going through my documents, music etc This is just using the arrow keys.

 

In the place where my music is there is over 11 hundred albums and is still snappy.

 

I am using nvda 2017.4 rc2 and windows 10 1709 i think it is.

 

I was also doing it on a external drive to see if there was aslow down there.

 

 

Some times doing a reset nvda back to factory defaults fixes problem that may cause problems.

 

If you do thismake sure when it is done turn off nvda then restart it so you get the message when you first download nvda like settings it to start on startup type of keyboard.

 

did you try disablingadd ons? and see if you get the same result? You can reinable them one by one just in case it is one of them causing it.

 

At one time i had problemswith copying certain files and it turned out to be a add on i think called clip speak causing it. Maybe the problem has been fixed now on it but do not have it on the pc any more.

 

I guess i would try dia abling the add ons first and try it again file file explorer to see if you get the same result.

 

Do you know if your machine is a single core, duel core???

 

It may help .

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 11/27/2017 2:42 PM, David Moore wrote:

I hope I am not getting off topic,

But NVDA is very sluggish when I arrow through my documents in my documents folder, for example. With JAWS, it is so snappy when I press the down arrow very quickly and hear the names of the documents. NVDA is sluggish when I arrow through a lot of any files, like a large list of music files. When I press the down arrow, I have to wait a couple of seconds for NVDA to say the name of the next folder, even in This PC. I am using latest NVDA, and Windows 10 Fall creators.

I was just curious about this.

Take care, guys!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tyler Wood
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 7:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

Hi,

Can confirm this.

I can also confirm that yes, CPU cycles have a lot to do with this.

This is also, for me at least, when explorer browsing becomes unresponsive and folders will not read. E.g. go into this pc, hit l for local disk. NVDA will say local disk © if you hit NVDA+t, but apart from that will not read the contents of the window.

I’m glad others are seeing this. I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one.

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: November 26, 2017 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

Do other screen-readers have the same problem?  I don't that the problem has anything to do with computer power being used.  Since other activities are still performed well or reasonably quickly, it sounds to me as though the copy dialog may be covering a part of the screen these activities use or causing some sort of conflict that keeps some information from reaching NVDA.  Of course, that may be completely wrong but perhaps we'll see.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob Hudson

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:40 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

There is a behavior in NVDA that is rather bothersome.
During a task that requires a lot of processing, such as a large file copy, a batch file conversion, or some other process that uses a lot of CPU cycles, NVDA will stop reading the alt tab list after the first entry. Hitting alt-tab produces only silence. In addition, NVDA will not read new notifications, or toasts in windows 10 parlance. GEneral responsiveness is not impacted; only th ese two situations--the alt tab and the toasts.
I do not recall if this occurs in windows 7, but can test if necessary.
What is causing this and has a fix been proposed?


 

 

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

 


Re: NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

David Moore
 

Thanks a lot, Gene!

I will check that out!

Really appreciate it!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

> did you try disablingadd ons? and see if you get the same result? You can reinable them one by one just in case it is one of them causing it.

 

 

My suspicion is that the OP's problem came from having the preview pane turned on.

In file explorer, Press

alt, v, p

to turn it off.

 

 

 


Re: NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

Rob Hudson
 

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:
did you try disablingadd ons? and see if you get the same result? You can reinable them one by one just in case it is one of them causing it.

My suspicion is that the OP's problem came from having the preview pane turned on.
In file explorer, Press
alt, v, p
to turn it off.


Re: NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi david


could i ask how fast the machine is that you are using?


I just tried it on my machine here and nvda is quick as going through my documents, music etc This is just using the arrow keys.


In the place where my music is there is over 11 hundred albums and is still snappy.


I am using nvda 2017.4 rc2 and windows 10 1709 i think it is.


I was also doing it on a external drive to see if there was aslow down there.



Some times doing a reset nvda back to factory defaults fixes problem that may cause problems.


If you do thismake sure when it is done turn off nvda then restart it so you get the message when you first download nvda like settings it to start on startup type of keyboard.


did you try disablingadd ons? and see if you get the same result? You can reinable them one by one just in case it is one of them causing it.


At one time i had problemswith copying certain files and it turned out to be a add on i think called clip speak causing it. Maybe the problem has been fixed now on it but do not have it on the pc any more.


I guess i would try dia abling the add ons first and try it again file file explorer to see if you get the same result.


Do you know if your machine is a single core, duel core???


It may help .


Gene nz



On 11/27/2017 2:42 PM, David Moore wrote:

I hope I am not getting off topic,

But NVDA is very sluggish when I arrow through my documents in my documents folder, for example. With JAWS, it is so snappy when I press the down arrow very quickly and hear the names of the documents. NVDA is sluggish when I arrow through a lot of any files, like a large list of music files. When I press the down arrow, I have to wait a couple of seconds for NVDA to say the name of the next folder, even in This PC. I am using latest NVDA, and Windows 10 Fall creators.

I was just curious about this.

Take care, guys!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tyler Wood
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 7:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

Hi,

Can confirm this.

I can also confirm that yes, CPU cycles have a lot to do with this.

This is also, for me at least, when explorer browsing becomes unresponsive and folders will not read. E.g. go into this pc, hit l for local disk. NVDA will say local disk © if you hit NVDA+t, but apart from that will not read the contents of the window.

I’m glad others are seeing this. I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one.

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: November 26, 2017 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

Do other screen-readers have the same problem?  I don't that the problem has anything to do with computer power being used.  Since other activities are still performed well or reasonably quickly, it sounds to me as though the copy dialog may be covering a part of the screen these activities use or causing some sort of conflict that keeps some information from reaching NVDA.  Of course, that may be completely wrong but perhaps we'll see.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:40 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

There is a behavior in NVDA that is rather bothersome.
During a task that requires a lot of processing, such as a large file copy, a batch file conversion, or some other process that uses a lot of CPU cycles, NVDA will stop reading the alt tab list after the first entry. Hitting alt-tab produces only silence. In addition, NVDA will not read new notifications, or toasts in windows 10 parlance. GEneral responsiveness is not impacted; only th ese two situations--the alt tab and the toasts.
I do not recall if this occurs in windows 7, but can test if necessary.
What is causing this and has a fix been proposed?

 

 


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

Hi,

Toasts not being read, no responsiveness when you switch between apps, no feedback in File Explorer… Microsoft, I beg you one more time: do something about UIA performance!

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

We'll see if the original poster has the same symptoms.  The original message said that aside from alt tabbing through program windows and having toasts read, other things were alright.  At this point, without more information, it isn't clear that the problem is the same.  I'm not saying either way; I'm saying that we don't have enough information.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Tyler Wood

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 6:04 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

Hi,

Can confirm this.

I can also confirm that yes, CPU cycles have a lot to do with this.

This is also, for me at least, when explorer browsing becomes unresponsive and folders will not read. E.g. go into this pc, hit l for local disk. NVDA will say local disk © if you hit NVDA+t, but apart from that will not read the contents of the window.

I’m glad others are seeing this. I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one.

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: November 26, 2017 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

Do other screen-readers have the same problem?  I don't that the problem has anything to do with computer power being used.  Since other activities are still performed well or reasonably quickly, it sounds to me as though the copy dialog may be covering a part of the screen these activities use or causing some sort of conflict that keeps some information from reaching NVDA.  Of course, that may be completely wrong but perhaps we'll see.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob Hudson

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:40 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

There is a behavior in NVDA that is rather bothersome.
During a task that requires a lot of processing, such as a large file copy, a batch file conversion, or some other process that uses a lot of CPU cycles, NVDA will stop reading the alt tab list after the first entry. Hitting alt-tab produces only silence. In addition, NVDA will not read new notifications, or toasts in windows 10 parlance. GEneral responsiveness is not impacted; only th ese two situations--the alt tab and the toasts.
I do not recall if this occurs in windows 7, but can test if necessary.
What is causing this and has a fix been proposed?

 


Re: virtualizing the current window for further review?

Robert Mendoza
 

Thanks. I do hope on the next future releases of Windows 10 has to include this feature, like they did on the app of Seeing AI. Apology to the admin for raising this off topic however, it is very interesting to discuss it here somehow.

Robert Mendoza

On 11/27/2017 9:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
No, it just tries to recognize text. It can't do the Facebook "picture may contain dog" thing, I think Narrator does something like that but I've never tried it. But that's something specific to Microsoft that Narrator's built to take advantage of, I don't think other screen readers have access to it.


On 11/26/2017 17:21, Robert Mendoza wrote:
Sorry to interfere the discussion here but seemingly relevant somehow to ask.  Just curious how precise does the OCR works with Windows 10 , I mean I have the installed version of the latest Windows 10 but, how could possibly extend to recognize such text or images? For the text I believe they worked but how about to particular images represent to certain docs or sites. Do they have the capability to recognize fully and how to describe the image was for, like telling to the users what exactly the images looks like.

Robert Mendoza

On 11/27/2017 6:55 AM, John Isige wrote:
NVDA-r runs either the OCR addon if you have it installed in previous versions of Windows, or Windows OCR in Windows 10. It will give you that kind of buffer-like thing if it recognizes text, yes.


On 11/26/2017 16:34, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
and think nvda r might do it.

On 26/11/2017 20:27, John Isige wrote:
There is an addon, that gives you a hotkey.


https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/virtualRevision.en.html


On 11/26/2017 14:24, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I didn't' actually see it, but  I thougth there was a  keyboard hot key I could hit to do this, or am I thinking of a different screen reader.

Take care

On Nov 26, 2017, at 12:20 PM, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net> wrote:

There' an addon.


On 11/26/2017 14:19, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Is there  a way of doing this? Can I hit a key stroke that will turn let's say an error window into a virtual buffer for which I can then copy to the clip board?

I thought there was a way to do this but I'm using the laptop layout.

Take care










Re: NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

David Moore
 

I hope I am not getting off topic,

But NVDA is very sluggish when I arrow through my documents in my documents folder, for example. With JAWS, it is so snappy when I press the down arrow very quickly and hear the names of the documents. NVDA is sluggish when I arrow through a lot of any files, like a large list of music files. When I press the down arrow, I have to wait a couple of seconds for NVDA to say the name of the next folder, even in This PC. I am using latest NVDA, and Windows 10 Fall creators.

I was just curious about this.

Take care, guys!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tyler Wood
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 7:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

Hi,

Can confirm this.

I can also confirm that yes, CPU cycles have a lot to do with this.

This is also, for me at least, when explorer browsing becomes unresponsive and folders will not read. E.g. go into this pc, hit l for local disk. NVDA will say local disk © if you hit NVDA+t, but apart from that will not read the contents of the window.

I’m glad others are seeing this. I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one.

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: November 26, 2017 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

Do other screen-readers have the same problem?  I don't that the problem has anything to do with computer power being used.  Since other activities are still performed well or reasonably quickly, it sounds to me as though the copy dialog may be covering a part of the screen these activities use or causing some sort of conflict that keeps some information from reaching NVDA.  Of course, that may be completely wrong but perhaps we'll see.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob Hudson

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:40 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

There is a behavior in NVDA that is rather bothersome.
During a task that requires a lot of processing, such as a large file copy, a batch file conversion, or some other process that uses a lot of CPU cycles, NVDA will stop reading the alt tab list after the first entry. Hitting alt-tab produces only silence. In addition, NVDA will not read new notifications, or toasts in windows 10 parlance. GEneral responsiveness is not impacted; only th ese two situations--the alt tab and the toasts.
I do not recall if this occurs in windows 7, but can test if necessary.
What is causing this and has a fix been proposed?

 

 


Re: virtualizing the current window for further review?

John Isige
 

No, it just tries to recognize text. It can't do the Facebook "picture may contain dog" thing, I think Narrator does something like that but I've never tried it. But that's something specific to Microsoft that Narrator's built to take advantage of, I don't think other screen readers have access to it.

On 11/26/2017 17:21, Robert Mendoza wrote:
Sorry to interfere the discussion here but seemingly relevant somehow to ask. Just curious how precise does the OCR works with Windows 10 , I mean I have the installed version of the latest Windows 10 but, how could possibly extend to recognize such text or images? For the text I believe they worked but how about to particular images represent to certain docs or sites. Do they have the capability to recognize fully and how to describe the image was for, like telling to the users what exactly the images looks like.

Robert Mendoza

On 11/27/2017 6:55 AM, John Isige wrote:
NVDA-r runs either the OCR addon if you have it installed in previous versions of Windows, or Windows OCR in Windows 10. It will give you that kind of buffer-like thing if it recognizes text, yes.


On 11/26/2017 16:34, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
and think nvda r might do it.

On 26/11/2017 20:27, John Isige wrote:
There is an addon, that gives you a hotkey.


https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/virtualRevision.en.html


On 11/26/2017 14:24, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I didn't' actually see it, but I thougth there was a keyboard hot key I could hit to do this, or am I thinking of a different screen reader.

Take care

On Nov 26, 2017, at 12:20 PM, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net> wrote:

There' an addon.


On 11/26/2017 14:19, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Is there a way of doing this? Can I hit a key stroke that will turn let's say an error window into a virtual buffer for which I can then copy to the clip board?

I thought there was a way to do this but I'm using the laptop layout.

Take care